Guild Wars 2

Hey gang. Since Anet closed down match talk on the forums, I’ve lost track of all tier fights except my own. After looking at the Leaderboard recently, I noticed that Devon’s NSP is now at the top of T4/mid T3. What??? How did Northern Shiverpeaks rise so high from the depths of T7/T8? Did they get a lot of WvW guilds to transfer in? Or was it because Devon rallied the troops? It’s almost as surprising as Maguuma’s implosion from T2.

Basically, NSP gained a bit of coverage, but most of the other servers in between T4 and T8 have completely died out.

Just be glad you aren’t in T3 – it’s bad there.

Basically, what Lone Panda says.

the stable T3 of 6 months ago is dead, players having bandwagoned into T2.

NSP’s population has been remarkably stable, and they’ve moved up as the servers around them collapsed.

Best of Luck NSP, when you play Yaks next week.

So NSP is a good place to go when TC implodes? Or should we jump onto the Dragonband?

What everyone says. NSP has been extremely stable with very few transfers in or out. That NSP is in T3 after being in T7 just shows how much population has declined over the course of a year or two.

Oh, and I don’t believe Devon’s been on NSP in over a year, or Jessica for that matter — they probably bandwagoned like everyone else…

we do have one pretty cool dev who’s on every night (seems to understand the issues facing WvW).

I thought Devon said he lives and dies by NSP. I would have like to go to a server that Anet plays on consistently. Devs have a hard time getting in T1 because of the queues.

NSP needs an OCX and SEA crew. You guys lose so much overnight. I hope you find them, because your server would definitely be something to be reckoned with.

NSP got a strong NA presence. As you can see, there is strong push at around 4:00 P.M. eastern time. But as Ark said, they have a really low OCX or SEA presence.

Exemples :
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/42/
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/42/249

pretty sure all servers would like a SEA/OCX crew ;_;

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Hey gang. Since Anet closed down match talk on the forums, I’ve lost track of all tier fights except my own. After looking at the Leaderboard recently, I noticed that Devon’s NSP is now at the top of T4/mid T3. What??? How did Northern Shiverpeaks rise so high from the depths of T7/T8? Did they get a lot of WvW guilds to transfer in? Or was it because Devon rallied the troops? It’s almost as surprising as Maguuma’s implosion from T2.

It was a combination of transfers and server collapses. SoR, Maguuma, Borlis Pass, Devona’s Rest, and others over the last year have fallen and NSP has had a chance to rise up in ranks. They finally dropped to t4 recently along with IOJ after months of miserable unbalanced matchups against a t2 server, so t3 is a total mess right now.
Maguumas implosion should have surprised nobody, its very similiar to what happened on SoR, they neglected ppt and decided they would just focus on fights. Well the problem with that is, like it or not your server lives and dies by ppt, you dont neglect it and then act all surprised your server starts dropping tiers and doesnt get any good fights, then many leave for greener pastures.

X T D.6458:

They finally dropped to t4 recently along with IOJ after months of miserable unbalanced matchups against a t2 server, so t3 is a total mess right now.

I believe NSP is still in T3, just that this week (luckily) got put into the T4 match.

Lord Kuru.3685:

X T D.6458:

They finally dropped to t4 recently along with IOJ after months of miserable unbalanced matchups against a t2 server, so t3 is a total mess right now.

I believe NSP is still in T3, just that this week (luckily) got put into the T4 match.

We won’t know until next week.

Virum Virile.7890:

Lord Kuru.3685:

X T D.6458:

They finally dropped to t4 recently along with IOJ after months of miserable unbalanced matchups against a t2 server, so t3 is a total mess right now.

I believe NSP is still in T3, just that this week (luckily) got put into the T4 match.

We won’t know until next week.

NSP is still ranked 8th and has already gained 5 on their glicko. They, along with DH, have been gobbling up what remains of IoJ’s glicko. Both will be back in T3 on Friday unless the RNGods are jerks again.

I haven’t seen Devon on the server since Season 2…

But like most everyone said our population has stayed pretty stable. We had a few transfers in, just about the time we had some transfer out for 1 reason or another. Population has grown a bit, but not by as much as some would think. Still in a desperate need of OCX and SEA to be competitive in T3. Still competitive in my opinion during NA prime however.

There have also been a number of guilds that have been rising up to try to organize NSP’s WvW. Such as [Raid], and [Os] (of course). But other older guilds have either transferred out, or are no longer active. I know [Tfg] has undergone new management changes a few months ago, which has made them more stable. Overall, though, i’d say NSP is really shaping up to how they were when the game first launched.

Lord Kuru.3685:

What everyone says. NSP has been extremely stable with very few transfers in or out. That NSP is in T3 after being in T7 just shows how much population has declined over the course of a year or two.

Oh, and I don’t believe Devon’s been on NSP in over a year, or Jessica for that matter — they probably bandwagoned like everyone else…

we do have one pretty cool dev who’s on every night (seems to understand the issues facing WvW).

NSP is far, far larger than they were in t7 lol. I was a permanent resident of t6/7 on Darkhaven, and anyone who says a current t4 server’s pop is comparable to that of t6-7 a while ago is quite incorrect. T6/7 were not anywhere near what t4/3 is right now.

NSP also did receive quite a few transfers lol, esp from SoR when it imploded a 2nd time.

It’s not just about others imploding, that’s a big part, but they also grew substantially.

Arius.7031:

Lord Kuru.3685:

What everyone says. NSP has been extremely stable with very few transfers in or out. That NSP is in T3 after being in T7 just shows how much population has declined over the course of a year or two.

Oh, and I don’t believe Devon’s been on NSP in over a year, or Jessica for that matter — they probably bandwagoned like everyone else…

we do have one pretty cool dev who’s on every night (seems to understand the issues facing WvW).

NSP is far, far larger than they were in t7 lol. I was a permanent resident of t6/7 on Darkhaven, and anyone who says a current t4 server’s pop is comparable to that of t6-7 a while ago is quite incorrect. T6/7 were not anywhere near what t4/3 is right now.

NSP also did receive quite a few transfers lol, esp from SoR when it imploded a 2nd time.

It’s not just about others imploding, that’s a big part, but they also grew substantially.

I’ve been on NSP for over three years and I can tell you NSP’s population has decreased overall during this time and has also decreased somewhat since it was in T7.

There were transfers when SoR imploded — they have been excellent contributors — but it was not a big number, certainly not big enough to say NSP is far larger than before nor that it’s grown substantially. And don’t forget, there were transfers out of NSP during all this time as well.

So I stand by my statement that NSP is roughly the same size (or smaller) now compared to when we were in T7 (a year and a half ago).

Arius.7031:

Lord Kuru.3685:

What everyone says. NSP has been extremely stable with very few transfers in or out. That NSP is in T3 after being in T7 just shows how much population has declined over the course of a year or two.

Oh, and I don’t believe Devon’s been on NSP in over a year, or Jessica for that matter — they probably bandwagoned like everyone else…

we do have one pretty cool dev who’s on every night (seems to understand the issues facing WvW).

NSP is far, far larger than they were in t7 lol. I was a permanent resident of t6/7 on Darkhaven, and anyone who says a current t4 server’s pop is comparable to that of t6-7 a while ago is quite incorrect. T6/7 were not anywhere near what t4/3 is right now.

NSP also did receive quite a few transfers lol, esp from SoR when it imploded a 2nd time.

It’s not just about others imploding, that’s a big part, but they also grew substantially.

Was actually the 3rd implosion ha, I believe it was FIRE, VEX, MEGA, I might be forgetting others that went to NSP from SoR. The 2nd implosion was after the 2nd tournament, 3rd one after the 3rd tournament….1st after the 1st tournament….ANET you find this funny?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Arius.7031:

Lord Kuru.3685:

What everyone says. NSP has been extremely stable with very few transfers in or out. That NSP is in T3 after being in T7 just shows how much population has declined over the course of a year or two.

Oh, and I don’t believe Devon’s been on NSP in over a year, or Jessica for that matter — they probably bandwagoned like everyone else…

we do have one pretty cool dev who’s on every night (seems to understand the issues facing WvW).

NSP is far, far larger than they were in t7 lol. I was a permanent resident of t6/7 on Darkhaven, and anyone who says a current t4 server’s pop is comparable to that of t6-7 a while ago is quite incorrect. T6/7 were not anywhere near what t4/3 is right now.

NSP also did receive quite a few transfers lol, esp from SoR when it imploded a 2nd time.

It’s not just about others imploding, that’s a big part, but they also grew substantially.

I’ve been on NSP for over three years and I can tell you NSP’s population has decreased overall during this time and has also decreased somewhat since it was in T7.

There were transfers when SoR imploded — they have been excellent contributors — but it was not a big number, certainly not big enough to say NSP is far larger than before nor that it’s grown substantially. And don’t forget, there were transfers out of NSP during all this time as well.

So I stand by my statement that NSP is roughly the same size (or smaller) now compared to when we were in T7 (a year and a half ago).

Look lol, I was in t6 a year and a half ago (read: higher ranked than NSP), and it was smaller than current t3/4 is. You’re welcome to maintain what you will, but as another bronze leaguer since forever, I just can’t agree with that sentiment. Not only do I see and experience that you guys are bigger than you were, I know for a fact we are bigger… If we are bigger than when we were in t6, and just barely competing with you in t4 now, how could you be smaller from when you were in t7 at the same time as we were in t6?

Just to preface my post: I’ve tried to rank/weigh the different factors of our rise, but it’s quite hard, so I’m just going to list them in no particular order. Also Devon, if he even is still on NSP has had almost literally zero impact on the server. I saw him arguing with Teivospy in map chat once, but that was about it.

1) Community. Over the last year and a half, NSP has had a core group of players managing and building its website and teamspeak. This has had the long term effects of keeping people on the server, and giving us a reputation for being a stable server for potential transfers.

2) Tournament burnout. This caused us to drop into bronze league, lower than we should have been. NSP is a very strong tournament server where people try harder than they should, when it counts. Once these players started coming back into the game, our ranking started to rise again.

3) Silver league destabilization. A lot of silver league servers (see BP for a good example) had mass transfers between each other and to gold league servers. This caused a lot of friction in unstable communities, and population losses in some servers. Several of the servers above NSP became a lot weaker, causing us to creep up. A large portion of silver league’s population now sits in the top 7 servers. This is partially what has caused the infamous tier 3 imbalance.

4) SoR transfers. To my knowledge, a total of 5 guilds transferred over from SoR, 2 of which had a very visible impact in WvW. All the guilds have great people and are welcomed additions to the NSP community.

5) Fight guilds. Prior to the last tournament and our burnout, our main pug-accessible fighting force, which was largely composed of transfers in the first place, started to look elsewhere for fights. While we are still good terms with the players formally known as EDGE, their lack of dedication to NSP is part of what aided our post-tourney drop. Our rise to the top of silver league has been heavily influenced by another fight guild that had arisen from a lot of NSP-based players’ efforts – Raid. Raid still serves as our primary pug-accessible fight guild, and has helped to bring a lot of combat-oriented players together.

We’ve gained and lost several notable players and other small guilds as well. Shout outs to DUNK, Hood, HUNT, Kiziy, Isaac, Xxel, Vespin, and the ex-CPR members, just to name a few! Some of you are still with us, and some aren’t, but all are welcomed friends. That’s how NSP rolls!

So where is NSP at right now? Well, we hit the rank 8 ceiling, and like servers before us, we will bounce down a few ranks. But we will stay strong and ride out the storm. We’re enjoying awesome matchups against the true t3/4 servers. Unfortunately, most people don’t invest as much time as we’d like into understanding why we were getting the bad matchups, and losing them, so it has hurt our server’s participation. It’s something that happens to all servers that climb to tier 3. I’m fine with it though. Blobbing was never my style.

I’m double posting cause I think my first post was long enough already.

Marmatt.8590:

There have also been a number of guilds that have been rising up to try to organize NSP’s WvW. Such as [Raid], and [Os] (of course). But other older guilds have either transferred out, or are no longer active. I know [Tfg] has undergone new management changes a few months ago, which has made them more stable. Overall, though, i’d say NSP is really shaping up to how they were when the game first launched.

Raid has definitely been a huge help to organizing NSP’s WvW. Just to clarify though, yes Os is a very strong fight guild and fields a lot of good WvW players, as they always have. However, no, they have not “risen up to organize NSP’s WvW”. Os keeps a strong core and very much keeps to itself to maintain its strength. The server is not of much concern to that guild. I just wanted to straighten that out, as one of the lead admins on NSP, since I think credit needs to be given where it is due. That being said, Os provides NSP with 2 server admins, one being one of our strongest pug commanders, however he has been that way even before he was in that guild. Raid actively invites people to run and learn with their guild on teamspeak. Os does not allow outsiders on their vent.

Arius.7031:

Look lol, I was in t6 a year and a half ago (read: higher ranked than NSP), and it was smaller than current t3/4 is. You’re welcome to maintain what you will, but as another bronze leaguer since forever, I just can’t agree with that sentiment. Not only do I see and experience that you guys are bigger than you were, I know for a fact we are bigger… If we are bigger than when we were in t6, and just barely competing with you in t4 now, how could you be smaller from when you were in t7 at the same time as we were in t6?

Darkhaven has definitely grown in its OCX/SEA coverage, where NSP still only fields only a handful of people. I do agree that overall WvW interest had grown on NSP (I helped aid that development), however you have not been seeing the effect of that growth at all. The NSP you are seeing in the current weeks is quite comparable to the NSP of the past. Our server’s interest in WvW is very fleeting – most only coming in when we are winning. Of our active players, most have been pushed away because of the tier 3 matchups of the past 2 months, including myself. I can definitely tell you that we are at a population loss at the moment – judging by the huge impact just a few of us can actually make. DH’s NA presence is not very strong for us to be able to do things like that. But as I said, our pug population is very fleeting. They see DH taking things overnight, and think that’s how it is 24/7, so our pug commanders don’t have that many people rallying behind them. I can assure you once we get back into our usual routine, you will see a rise in our active WvW population.

I really do look forward to a tournament soon, as I believe both DH and NSP to be competitive servers. However I just hope there is not a t2 server in there with us. In that case, it becomes a math game, manipulating scores to avoid matchups with guaranteed losses, and that’s not healthy for competition.

EDIT – So after making those comments, I decided to spend the night in EB. Looks like you are right, all the servers have grown loads. It’s ridiculous how night after night, BL’s are flipped by groups of no more than 10, while EB fields map queue for each server. Really showcases how boring the BL’s are for the average player. I’m a BL player myself and I had no idea this was going on. It’s ironic because the people that only care about score, and only come in when the score is close, will pile onto the map that has the least impact on score.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So NSP is a good place to go when TC implodes? Or should we jump onto the Dragonband?

I’m not following tier 1 stuff, so I don’t know if this is a troll or not. If in fact one of the top 7 servers implodes, NSP will be at the top of silver league, in even competition with its peers. DB will probably also be firm in tier 2, in even competition with its peers. So it really depends on what kind of environment you desire.