Guild Wars 2

So i just watched the point of interest and seen that they said to claim objectives in WvW you will need to have a guild hall.

Am i correct in saying to unlock the guild hall you need to go through some PvE content?

Personally i only play WvW and i know quite a lot of WvW players are the same so i find it strange that they will basically be forcing our WvW guilds to go farm PvE.

I mean, this probably wont be a huge problem for big wvw guilds but many servers have scouting guilds or border hoppers that only have 2-3 people in them but these are the people that make sure we have upgrades on our border.

Afaik yes, you have to do a HoT pve content to get a GH.. You can invite your wvw buddies to help your scout-guild get one, but I fear the “crafting” of guild-upgrades will need pve-thingies..

The horror, the horror!

Seriously, doing a little PvE wont hurt. I know there are people that brag about how they are 100% WvW and never set one foot in PvE… You dont have to help. Really, you dont. Remain in WvW if you wish. I’m sure there are plenty of members even in the most “hardcore” of guilds that are willing to relax their principles a little and do stuff with the guild in PvE as well. If its anything like guild missions, you only need 5-10 peeps anyway.

For even smaller scouting guilds, I recommend working together – join each others guilds, make a guild hall, then make the other guild hall. It will probably go much faster the second time around. Or the third. Well, assuming there is no member limitation on maintaining a guild hall.

No one should have to “relax their priciples” in order to accomplish anything. That is the point.

It’s kind of like if you got robbed, and called the police, and they show up and tell you they are not going to investigate the crime. Oh it is not crime. Those folks just wanted something that you had so they “relaxed their principles”, thus it is fine.

dancingmonkey.4902:

No one should have to “relax their priciples” in order to accomplish anything. That is the point.

And my point was also that you dont have to be part of getting a guild hall for your guild. No one is forcing individual players – even in a tiny 10 man guild maybe just half of them will help? If your guild leader understands why you dont want to step foot outside WvW, I am sure he wont care.

If I was that leader of a tiny and presumably friendly guild and wanted to claim objectives in WvW, I expect everyone in the guild to take one for the team and stomach PvE in order to help. If they say nope I’d be pretty miffed.

But maybe that’s just me.

I see, so your refusing to see the point. Got it.

So someone has to do it. Your working under an assumption that every guild will have someone that wants to do it. It is unfortunate that you work under assumption rather then actuality. That is your mistake in my opinion.

dancingmonkey.4902:

I see, so your refusing to see the point. Got it.

So someone has to do it. Your working under an assumption that every guild will have someone that wants to do it. It is unfortunate that you work under assumption rather then actuality. That is your mistake in my opinion.

No, I am working under the assumption that people want to claim stuff in WvW. If they dont, then hey dont bother building a guild hall. Simple as that.

Dawdler, the problem is that so far you could get a guild up and running wvw buffs by only playing wvw.
Now if you need GH to claim, you can’t do that, which is painful for those who just want to play wvw and not pve. If it had require pve from the start, it would be less painful, but this way…

Hmm pve aside, i wonder if you can get around the issue of needing to buy HoT to be able to claim in wvw by having a HoT friend create a guild, claim a guild hall and then make you the leader and leave.

Should I have not said that in public..

Like i said there isnt much of a problem for larger WvW guilds. I sure most of them will stomach it so they can get the arena anyway.

The problem for me is the smaller WvW guilds. The ones who currently run all our upgrades and scout our borders for enemys just now. Most of these guilds have 2-3 people in them.

It just seems stupid that these guilds will have to invite more people just to be able to claim stuff on our border.

Bubi.5237:

Dawdler, the problem is that so far you could get a guild up and running wvw buffs by only playing wvw.
Now if you need GH to claim, you can’t do that, which is painful for those who just want to play wvw and not pve. If it had require pve from the start, it would be less painful, but this way…

It will literally take no time at all to fix a guild hall compared to the thousands upon thousands of hours one spend in WvW.

Its only going to be painfull for those that enjoy 1/10th of the game. There is a whole world out there – GW2 is beautifull, NPCs can be funny as hell when you randomly meet them and there is lots of loot to be had. I spend maybe 80% of my time in WvW and I still have 5 characters with world exploration.

I understand the argument, I just dont see the problem. I have little doubt that Anet have thought about smaller guilds too, it probably wont be that hard to do.

It’s not a problem because no one plays WvW exclusively, right?

Dawdler.8521:

The horror, the horror!

Seriously, doing a little PvE wont hurt. I know there are people that brag about how they are 100% WvW and never set one foot in PvE… You dont have to help. Really, you dont. Remain in WvW if you wish. I’m sure there are plenty of members even in the most “hardcore” of guilds that are willing to relax their principles a little and do stuff with the guild in PvE as well. If its anything like guild missions, you only need 5-10 peeps anyway.

For even smaller scouting guilds, I recommend working together – join each others guilds, make a guild hall, then make the other guild hall. It will probably go much faster the second time around. Or the third. Well, assuming there is no member limitation on maintaining a guild hall.

Thats not a valid solution, we also dont know what the costs of guild hall upkeep and its upgrades for guild buffs is. These costs may or may not be achievable only by large PvE guilds.

I would prefer a measure of eligibility for WvW upgrades to go of off someones WvW achievements, especially a well balanced measure of objective + kill achievements, so you don’t end up with troll accounts or EOTM PvE manders sabotaging your server.

It really depends on how hard it is to get a guild hall, but it wouldn’t be cool if this hurt small havoc guilds.

Dawdler.8521:

The horror, the horror!

Seriously, doing a little PvE wont hurt. I know there are people that brag about how they are 100% WvW and never set one foot in PvE… You dont have to help. Really, you dont. Remain in WvW if you wish. I’m sure there are plenty of members even in the most “hardcore” of guilds that are willing to relax their principles a little and do stuff with the guild in PvE as well. If its anything like guild missions, you only need 5-10 peeps anyway.

For even smaller scouting guilds, I recommend working together – join each others guilds, make a guild hall, then make the other guild hall. It will probably go much faster the second time around. Or the third. Well, assuming there is no member limitation on maintaining a guild hall.

While it wouldn’t be bad, the fact that you can accomplish everything you need in PvE without ever stepping foot into WvW is a little unfair. So the point is legitimate, if they are going to say they want players to play all aspects of the game then they need to practice this in all areas not just WvW.

having to Pve to progress in wvw doesn’t make sense at all but big guilds really do both. smaller guilds won’t be able to clear the halls as quick as well if at all.

I myself only wvw but plan on trying hot pve to see if it really is an improvement. Afterall i do love wvw but i hate being poor and since they don’t seem to be adjusting rewards any time soon(probably not at all) mind as well pve in hot. it seems anet is getting what they have been pushing for since game launch all to pve.

ANet should make playing WvW content required to un-lock PvE content.

Like a PvE Player needs to defend WvW objectives in order to un-lock a PvE based mission.

That way it would be fair trade.

PvE players should bite the bullet & take one for their PvE team & play WvW too…in order to satisfy this un-lock of Guild & Personal PvE missions.

p.s.
Of course this won’t happen…there’s a double standard here.

ArchonWing.9480:

It really depends on how hard it is to get a guild hall, but it wouldn’t be cool if this hurt small havoc guilds.

This – and what is involved in attaining the ability to unlock the upgrades……

Diku.2546:

ANet should make playing WvW content required to un-lock PvE content.

Like a PvE Player needs to defend WvW objectives in order to un-lock a PvE based mission.

That way it would be fair trade.

PvE players should bite the bullet & take one for their PvE team & play WvW too…in order to satisfy this un-lock of Guild & Personal PvE missions.

p.s.
Of course this won’t happen…there’s a double standard here.

Map completion for legendary..
WvW rank for legendary..
They got removed ‘cos whining from certain players..
Let’s whine about pve!
Meh, will not work..

Relevant topic to check out:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/HELP-We-don-t-want-guild-mission/first

Colin posted there.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Lord.4270:

Hi,

We are a guild of 3 guys . We love WWW.
With Guild halls , we will have to do guild missions.

So why we have to do puzzle jump and things like this , when in this game we just love killing people on the battlefield !

Why can t we play as we want .. ??

HoT will include a solution for this for both guilds that are WvW, and PvP oriented that want to build and expand their Guild Halls and need the favor generated by guild missions. Same goes for guilds that have a mix of players interested in all three. More info down the road a bit on how this will work once we’ve got it a little more solid on our end.

Edited to add: Everyone will have to do the actual mission to capture the guild hall once per hall though no matter what. If your group online is too small, you’ll need to invite friends (or pay/beg/sing-songs-to-woo peeps in Lion’s Arch!) to come with you and help you claim the guild hall to own one. Or you could always grow your guild

ColinJohanson.2394:

Randulf.7614:

Any indication on group size required for capture mission?

Will they have to be in the guild to help?

We’re still debating minimum size, you can see a lot of discussion down in the guild CDI thread that’s helping us inform some of those decisions.

And no – you don’t need people to be in your guild to help you capture it. Bring friendly guilds to help you out, ask nicely in Lion’s Arch, etc.

briggah.7910:

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s not a problem because no one plays WvW exclusively, right?

Right.. Even our exception played other game modes and lied to the president of the companies face. Didn’t wanna bring it there but if people keep claiming nonsense I’ll open my can of worms some more.

I’m sure you’re one of those who count logging into the game in PvE by default as playing PvE so there’s no point in bothering with you.

Dawdler.8521:

dancingmonkey.4902:

I see, so your refusing to see the point. Got it.

So someone has to do it. Your working under an assumption that every guild will have someone that wants to do it. It is unfortunate that you work under assumption rather then actuality. That is your mistake in my opinion.

No, I am working under the assumption that people want to claim stuff in WvW. If they dont, then hey dont bother building a guild hall. Simple as that.

So why shouldn’t they be able to gain those abilities and unlocks by you know, doing WvWvW stuff?

apparently killing champion is harder than doing pirateship meta….

gennyt.3428:

Dawdler.8521:

dancingmonkey.4902:

I see, so your refusing to see the point. Got it.

So someone has to do it. Your working under an assumption that every guild will have someone that wants to do it. It is unfortunate that you work under assumption rather then actuality. That is your mistake in my opinion.

No, I am working under the assumption that people want to claim stuff in WvW. If they dont, then hey dont bother building a guild hall. Simple as that.

So why shouldn’t they be able to gain those abilities and unlocks by you know, doing WvWvW stuff?

That is a question for Anet, not me. Do you think we would be having this argument if guild halls was done by doing WvW? Errr, no.

Also, the post above pretty much state that to make a guild hall you do a guild mission similar to existing open world missions. Meaning that if your server have 20 of those tiny 3 man roaming guilds that moan so much about having to do PvE, they can all do it at the same time to save some pain. Or they can take the help of 200+ man PvE/WvW guilds on the server that I am sure have at least 5% people that can help out the scouts.

It sounded like once claimed, the GH upgrades could be attained In wvw or pvp…..