Guild Wars 2

Either keep them out of WvW or make them available there. Perplexity runes are bad enough already.

New Runes and Sigils
Those braving the dangers of the most difficult fractals will find that their bravery is well-rewarded by a chance at brand-new sigils and runes to adorn their gear!

Moaners will moan before they actually know what they are moaning about.

The Rune of Resistance grants bonus toughness, a reduction in condition duration, and aegis upon using a signet

The Sigil of Momentum grants a stacking toughness buff every time you kill an enemy

So even more & stronger melee trains…? From my pov those are counterproductive for the current wvw meta..

Wanze.8410:

Moaners will moan before they actually know what they are moaning about.

Fierce forum warrior! Maybe you like grinding fractals but not everyone does.

The runes of resistance sound pretty powerful to me.

Ommu.1649:

Wanze.8410:

Moaners will moan before they actually know what they are moaning about.

Fierce forum warrior! Maybe you like grinding fractals but not everyone does.

The runes of resistance sound pretty powerful to me.

I bet you can buy them for gold ;-)

cubed.2853:

The Rune of Resistance grants bonus toughness, a reduction in condition duration, and aegis upon using a signet

The Sigil of Momentum grants a stacking toughness buff every time you kill an enemy

So even more & stronger melee trains…? From my pov those are counterproductive for the current wvw meta..

I dont know they condition reduction on warriors is already used. And aegis upon using a signet would be once every 60 seconds for signet of rage?

The anet devs must all play warriors and must be kittening terrible, because more toughness is the last thing wvw needs.

Tots.3056:

The anet devs must all play warriors and must be kittening terrible, because more toughness is the last thing wvw needs.

My ele begs to differ… but yeah I agree keep ’em out or make them available at a reasonable rate.

ahahahahaa let’s make warriors even more broken

this is official, wars are anets favorite children

Ommu.1649:

Either keep them out of WvW or make them available there. Perplexity runes are bad enough already.

New Runes and Sigils
Those braving the dangers of the most difficult fractals will find that their bravery is well-rewarded by a chance at brand-new sigils and runes to adorn their gear!

A. Are people still whining about Perplexity Runes? Seriously folks..

B. More Sigils and Runes are always good.. as they open up more builds…

cubed.2853:

The Rune of Resistance grants bonus toughness, a reduction in condition duration, and aegis upon using a signet

The Sigil of Momentum grants a stacking toughness buff every time you kill an enemy

So even more & stronger melee trains…? From my pov those are counterproductive for the current wvw meta..

I am not sure if they are stronger then -25% condition duration AND -25% stun duration then yes but they just added in a condition duration reduction rune and no one said a thing about it so… i think this is a lot of nothing.

My conecern isn’t with the rune, It’s with the sigil. Making more toughness available will only encourage melee train blobs and as a result condition specs will become more powerful as they aren’t affected by toughness. Then we will see more condition spam gameplay than we already do, but that seems to be what anet is going for lately.

Why fractals?!?

YAY I can finally get over 4,000 armor!!!

My concern isn’t whether the runes are OP or not, its that they might only be available in level 30+ fractals (ala Ascended Backpiece).

If they have other ways of getting them then great. I’m all for more build options.

Alternatively make these new runes/sigils also a rare drop in wvw from players.

Cynz.9437:

ahahahahaa let’s make warriors even more broken

this is official, wars are anets favorite children

Considering the state of Warriors up until about two months ago, I’d say he’s abused child whose parents are now trying to win back over by showering him with gifts. All his friends come over and are super jealous of all the stuff his parents give him but all he wants is to be like everyone else and be loved. ;-;

Draygo.9473:

Alternatively make these new runes/sigils also a rare drop in wvw from players.

Well most runes do not drop in wvw nor do sigils so i think you should be asking for that before the new ones mainly because you have no idea how good or bad they will be compared to rune/sigils that have been in the game from the start.

most runes/sigils drop in wvw currently, they are attached to items that drop.

best drops i get in wvw are exotic armor with expensive runes i.e. traveler

although i’ve also received 2 ascended trinket drops but they weren’t really my stats.

Maybe they can be traded.

I’m not so sure why ArenaNet implements stuff like this anyway. I mean, 1) if you are at 30+ FotM you would know to not spec into toughness for PvE, 2) I am 100% sure these runes won’t be added to sPvP, and 3) they are definitely not what WvW needs either.

So it leaves the question; why are they in the game?

I hope these will be buyable on the TP so everyone can use them. I don’t want to grind fractals.

Nikkinella.8254:

I hope these will be buyable on the TP so everyone can use them. I don’t want to grind fractals.

Well you cant buy the dungeon runes too why is fractal the trigger for this?

Since I am not closed minded or limit myself to any specific game mode or type, I have no issues with this and do not see it as a problem.

The new runes especially I just dont see as an issue, considering that to me, aegis still has nothing up on what 6x melandru offers for a defensive set-up.

The sigil, it will be interesting. It can make the already tough toons tougher to beat but at cost of damage or utility output, so I will definitely give 1 a try and see how it goes.

Conversely, it can also make squishy toons who are currently owned by hammertrains much more survivable, since hammer dmg is mitigated by toughness.

So the only problem I see here is from people that want to basically force SPVP rules onto others, which I do not agree with.

I don’t have a problem with them being able to be obtained via the fractal dungeon.
Give them the same cost as dungeon runes, but instead of tokens…fractal relics.
Give them a chance to be upgraded through minor and majors via the mystic forge.
Give them a chance to drop on exotics for sup/major for rares/minor for greens.

Keep things consistent imo with how this stuff is obtained.

Not sure how things will play out in actual play, but we’ve had bloodlust for some time. Can’t say I see the down side to seeing the defensive equivalent being in, yet.
I suspect a vitality version may enter the fray at some point to keep all things equal.
With the way things are going I wonder if we’ll get a crit damage version.

Yay… More PvE shoved down my throat just to keep up with the people who prefer to fight NPCs over people….

The way this power creep is going in WvW and PvE shoved down my throat patch after patch, I really start to worry about WvW but then I realize the WvW I enjoyed 8+ months ago where golems were rare and it actually felt like a warzone > over karma farming is looooooooooong gone.

I’m slapping these on my siphoning signet necro depending on how easy they are to obtain since they solve a large portion of her problems. I can essentially make her far more offensive with these runes since I sacrificed a lot just to take some mediocre defensive necromancer abilities.

I almost got desperate and was going to throw some traveler runes on her so I wouldn’t have to run locust signet or spectral walk/warhorn and could freely run either focus or dagger. This makes focus the go to choice with locust signet freeing up a good 10 traits, can’t wait.

Though I won’t lie, these runes will probably create more issues than they fix.

Yippee- more stuff coming only from fractals.

I guess the numbers doing fractals must have dropped below a critical threshold and this is their way of increasing the numbers doing them.

As they involve doings things like jumping and puzzles I still won’t go in.

And again wvw is either forgotten or completely overlooked- or maybe Anet’s plan is to make warriors and guardians so hard to kill that people can’t actually kill the opponents melee train at all and people will just run past each other and /wave before flipping each other’s towers and camps.

sephiroth.4217:

Yay… More PvE shoved down my throat just to keep up with the people who prefer to fight NPCs over people….

The way this power creep is going in WvW and PvE shoved down my throat patch after patch, I really start to worry about WvW but then I realize the WvW I enjoyed 8+ months ago where golems were rare and it actually felt like a warzone > over karma farming is looooooooooong gone.

First wvw is part of PvE. There is a lot of pve in wvw and in a way wvw is not made to be a pure pvp like spvp.
This is in no way power creep. Its just adding in a new way of building there is a power version there is a healing power version etc.. why not add in more def version of them? 8 months ago karma farming was a great deal worst as in the rewards for taking camps where a great deal better for the time spend then taking towers and keeps. The game has moved away from karma farming and now is more about fighting other ppl in both open fields and for tower / keeps.
More then likely you “enjoyed” rolling over ppl who did not know what they where doing now that they do and they know how to use the tools of wvw you need to work to kill ppl and now your losing fights.

Ommu.1649:

Wanze.8410:

Moaners will moan before they actually know what they are moaning about.

Fierce forum warrior! Maybe you like grinding fractals but not everyone does.

The runes of resistance sound pretty powerful to me.

I agree, I can’t wait to try them on my warrior. They look like a good candidate to replace my runes of melandru.

Jski.6180:

sephiroth.4217:

Yay… More PvE shoved down my throat just to keep up with the people who prefer to fight NPCs over people….

The way this power creep is going in WvW and PvE shoved down my throat patch after patch, I really start to worry about WvW but then I realize the WvW I enjoyed 8+ months ago where golems were rare and it actually felt like a warzone > over karma farming is looooooooooong gone.

First wvw is part of PvE. There is a lot of pve in wvw and in a way wvw is not made to be a pure pvp like spvp.
This is in no way power creep. Its just adding in a new way of building there is a power version there is a healing power version etc.. why not add in more def version of them? 8 months ago karma farming was a great deal worst as in the rewards for taking camps where a great deal better for the time spend then taking towers and keeps. The game has moved away from karma farming and now is more about fighting other ppl in both open fields and for tower / keeps.
More then likely you “enjoyed” rolling over ppl who did not know what they where doing now that they do and they know how to use the tools of wvw you need to work to kill ppl and now your losing fights.

ok…..
1: I am on IOJ, we never roll over people
2: I am on IOJ, we can’t even field open fights
3: it was my opinion, not yours. (thought I made that clear with the use of words like “my and I”) And judging from the server you’re on “open field fights and no karma training” is lies, FA and every other server except NSP use our BL every day as a karma train. If anything FA is the worst for the k train, and I’m only making that judgement when you guys let a 4 man party flip your hills and garrison and when I say “guys”, I mean the 20 FA who stood around watching us on the roof of garrison. (refer to link if you don’t believe me)

sephiroth.4217:

sephiroth.4217:

How do you know if FA is in karma train mode?

If they let you 4 man their hills and garrison…..

We don’t do things by halves.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/11-8-FA-EB-IoJ/page/13

4: PvE IS getting thrown down our throats, unless you only started playing WvW about the time of scarlette and all you know is scarlettes minions are attacking some where, atleast that would make sense why you think PvE is clearly not being thrown at us in WvW when they implemented that toxic living story.
5: 8 months ago, servers didn’t throw 10-20 omegas at paper towers and keeps due to golems actually being pricey and not being on the trading post and ram masteries didn’t exist making reinforced gates redundant.

And yet again Engineers are left in the cold.

Guys, guys, guys, children…

I seriously had the weirdest idea just now…

Like, it’s gonna BLOW YOUR MIND. It’s more of a simple linguistic math equation.

content = rewards

I’ll give you a second to take that in “WvWers.”

Believe it or not, if you didn’t spend so much time whining on the forums about not getting rewards cause it doesn’t suit you, you could just you know, go and do the content?

Can you imagine having to actually do something to get rewarded? What an outrage!

ArenaNet pls, if I can’t get rewarded for actually doing something, please reward me for spamming #1. Please and thank you!

Indeed Krypton. +1.

and the guy who said “the best I can get in wvw is exotics…” that SHOULD be the best stuff you can get, there was no other reason to run fractals before other thank pink ears etc.. No risk, no reward. Zergs = zzzz

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Guys, guys, guys, children…

I seriously had the weirdest idea just now…

Like, it’s gonna BLOW YOUR MIND. It’s more of a simple linguistic math equation.

content = rewards

I’ll give you a second to take that in “WvWers.”

Believe it or not, if you didn’t spend so much time whining on the forums about not getting rewards cause it doesn’t suit you, you could just you know, go and do the content?

Can you imagine having to actually do something to get rewarded? What an outrage!

ArenaNet pls, if I can’t get rewarded for actually doing something, please reward me for spamming #1. Please and thank you!

I’m sure you loved the badges achievement chests gave you.

K U T M.4539:

I’m sure you loved the badges achievement chests gave you.

Hmm, I think it was lovely of ArenaNet to do that but unfortunately I have nothing to spend them on! They’re coming out of my ears! Speaking generally though, yes, I did rather like them.

BUT, have a feeling you’re trying to tell me, “Wah, wah, wah, you got BoHs and you didn’t have to even spam #1!”

Au contraire, I am also what you people like to call a “WvWer.” I WvW for most of the time I’m logged into the game. That being said I have 4 level 80s all with full ascended gear because I understand that people should have to do the necessary content to get the best gear not just have it handed to them because their mascara begins to streak.

I leave you with this: Does having BoHs give you an advantage over other players?

Have a lovely day!

I’m not exactly a fan of more hard to get or ridiculously expensive equipment, but you guys do realize that the sigil would be instead of a power or precision sigil, and there’s already melandru runes that grant toughness, -stun, and -condition duration?

I guess in theory you could run more zerker gear while using the toughness sigil to bring survivability back up, but I would rather have a base level survivability with more damage as a perk from an offensive sigil; i.e. using cavalier / valkyrie gear with a perception sigil.

How are either of these any better than melandru or whatev?

Alkaholic.3875:

How are either of these any better than melandru or whatev?

Thing is that they are limited to running very specific builds, like the 3-4 signet warrior. It just goes to benefit them and essentially makes the warrior a scrub class, you know, a class where you can go with the trashiest of builds and have zero skill yet outperform just about anyone.

cubed.2853:

Ommu.1649:

Wanze.8410:

Moaners will moan before they actually know what they are moaning about.

Fierce forum warrior! Maybe you like grinding fractals but not everyone does.

The runes of resistance sound pretty powerful to me.

I bet you can buy them for gold ;-)

Like all the other unique fractal items…no…wait..?

Ommu.1649:

Wanze.8410:

Moaners will moan before they actually know what they are moaning about.

Fierce forum warrior! Maybe you like grinding fractals but not everyone does.

The runes of resistance sound pretty powerful to me.

considering MOST signets have like 25-60 sec CD, well, its useful for 1v1/1v2, and maybe. just maybe, in zergs.

The Sigil of Momentum shoulda been added ages ago. We can get Power, Precision, Condition Damage and Healing already. Toughness is just a logical next step. However is they make a version that grants Vitality upon kill (that stacks with current guard leech and applied fortitude) then we can start talking about OP stuff.

Also, if they are possible to get from fractals, they will probably be on the TP within 2-3 updates, thus NP.

/WvW’er that only reached Fractal Level 2 before he had to defend garrison again

Madora.9340:

Alkaholic.3875:

How are either of these any better than melandru or whatev?

Thing is that they are limited to running very specific builds, like the 3-4 signet warrior. It just goes to benefit them and essentially makes the warrior a scrub class, you know, a class where you can go with the trashiest of builds and have zero skill yet outperform just about anyone.

Well are you really surprised by that? Warrior is Anet’s golden child. These things were probably designed specifically for warriors. I swear it’s devolved from a class that used to take a highly skilled person to be successful with to an easy mode joke class that even a blind chimpanzee could use to win against skilled players in other classes by bashing it’s face against the keyboard.

Jon Peters plays a signet warrior.

Aveneo.2068:

Jon Peters plays a signet warrior.

i fail to see any point behind that statement other then “it’s a dev conspiracy”

I play a tanker ranger, wanna know whats the difference between me and Jon?
He gets paid to play this game, i don’t. The profession you play doesn’t make you any more or less awesome. And signet warriors would waste their time with this rune set. Too little gained compared to what you can get instead.

Prysin.8542:

Aveneo.2068:

Jon Peters plays a signet warrior.

i fail to see any point behind that statement other then “it’s a dev conspiracy”

I play a tanker ranger, wanna know whats the difference between me and Jon?
He gets paid to play this game, i don’t. The profession you play doesn’t make you any more or less awesome. And signet warriors would waste their time with this rune set. Too little gained compared to what you can get instead.

The difference between using these runes on a ranger and using them on a warrior is vast. Signet CD trait for warrior is very common for signet builds..nuff said.

Prysin.8542:

Aveneo.2068:

Jon Peters plays a signet warrior.

i fail to see any point behind that statement other then “it’s a dev conspiracy”

I play a tanker ranger, wanna know whats the difference between me and Jon?
He gets paid to play this game, i don’t. The profession you play doesn’t make you any more or less awesome. And signet warriors would waste their time with this rune set. Too little gained compared to what you can get instead.

Ofcourse it is. Warriors have gained nothing but buffs every single time when all other classes got nerfs. I’m still trying to figure out at what point Warrior suddenly got 5 stacks of Torment (12s every 15s) on their offhand sword and why.

The Warrior has been Jon’s pet project since launch and he is seen most often playing his Signet Warrior. And this new set will mainly benefit Warrior, Thief and Elementalist.

1+1=2

i have the perfect solution for this, we all agree to fight naked without weapons or armor in wvw!!

wvw nudie fights!! ^.^

SonOfKrypton.4357:

K U T M.4539:

I’m sure you loved the badges achievement chests gave you.

Hmm, I think it was lovely of ArenaNet to do that but unfortunately I have nothing to spend them on! They’re coming out of my ears! Speaking generally though, yes, I did rather like them.

BUT, have a feeling you’re trying to tell me, “Wah, wah, wah, you got BoHs and you didn’t have to even spam #1!”

Au contraire, I am also what you people like to call a “WvWer.” I WvW for most of the time I’m logged into the game. That being said I have 4 level 80s all with full ascended gear because I understand that people should have to do the necessary content to get the best gear not just have it handed to them because their mascara begins to streak.

I leave you with this: Does having BoHs give you an advantage over other players?

Have a lovely day!

I don’t get it. A PvE’r zergs up and spams 1, and his reward for grinding through his “content” is legit. But a WvW supposedly “spams 1” during his content, and he forfeits reward?

You should WvW as a mesmer sometime. Spam 1. Tell me how that goes.

Ricky.4706:

i have the perfect solution for this, we all agree to fight naked without weapons or armor in wvw!!

wvw nudie fights!! ^.^

first we need a mod that removes the underwear ^.^
That, or Anet needs to design some sexier underwear.

Like Borat speedos on males, aww yeah!!

Ross Biddle.2367:

SonOfKrypton.4357:

K U T M.4539:

I’m sure you loved the badges achievement chests gave you.

Hmm, I think it was lovely of ArenaNet to do that but unfortunately I have nothing to spend them on! They’re coming out of my ears! Speaking generally though, yes, I did rather like them.

BUT, have a feeling you’re trying to tell me, “Wah, wah, wah, you got BoHs and you didn’t have to even spam #1!”

Au contraire, I am also what you people like to call a “WvWer.” I WvW for most of the time I’m logged into the game. That being said I have 4 level 80s all with full ascended gear because I understand that people should have to do the necessary content to get the best gear not just have it handed to them because their mascara begins to streak.

I leave you with this: Does having BoHs give you an advantage over other players?

Have a lovely day!

I don’t get it. A PvE’r zergs up and spams 1, and his reward for grinding through his “content” is legit. But a WvW supposedly “spams 1” during his content, and he forfeits reward?

You should WvW as a mesmer sometime. Spam 1. Tell me how that goes.

it’ll go better then if you try do the same with a engi or bearbow ranger.