Guild Wars 2

An official blog post on the March 26 WvW is up.

It confirms World XP will be given for enemy kills (based on how long they’ve been alive). WXP lets you rank up. Some ranks will give a title visible to the enemy. Each ranks gives you an ability point that can be spent on passive WvW abilities.

WXP, ranks, titles, points and abilities are confirmed as being character-bound.

Discuss.

Its going to be a failure… as it provides no real progression.

God that is awful. The progression is fastest for zergers, the abilities are fully meant for zerging activities, and because I don’t do that stuff, I’m going to permanently have some nub title above my head while the worst zergers are going to get the epic high rank titles. And to top it off, because you get more points for people who die less and points aren’t split up, I’m going to have huge zergs chasing me around for the massive point bonus.

I hate you wvw team. I really, truly hate you.

As I suspected. Floppy, floppy, flop of a patch.

Is that hard to introduce a system that give you less point if you are ikittenerg?

Maybe Anet just cant do it.

I want to see the ladder, at least in its base form. I believe its the first fundamental step in a good direction for an esport game. I expect it will be minimalist at first, but the functionality if there can open the door to a full fleshed out ladder and progression system. I hope in future to see guild rankings and such leveraging this system.

Well the leader are gonna show your wvw rank i guess.

So basically how much time you played with a zerg. Nothin e-sport, not even close. At the moment.

Im looking for Pvp leaderboard that ll show best MMR. Still they need to fix the solo vs team issue

:(

Survivor bonus exp has been in the game since launch. Let me tell you how it works: every enemy has a base exp that everyone gets, the killing blow gets the survivor exp bonus which is orders larger than the base.

Zergs do not get full exp… but don’t let pre-established game mechanics get in the way of q.q zergs.

dreztina.4820:

God that is awful. The progression is fastest for zergers, the abilities are fully meant for zerging activities, and because I don’t do that stuff, I’m going to permanently have some nub title above my head while the worst zergers are going to get the epic high rank titles. And to top it off, because you get more points for people who die less and points aren’t split up, I’m going to have huge zergs chasing me around for the massive point bonus.

I hate you wvw team. I really, truly hate you.

Pretty much, Its amazing how hard Development teams fail when coming up with these things..

People have been asking for DAOC2 for years now…and every time a Developer is like “We can do that” and then they just fail so hard at it..

How hard is it to just copy the bloody game already..

Why is there no mention of leaderboards? ArenaNet, please tell us there’s going to be an in-game leaderboard of players and their World Ranks, as well a website leaderboard?

Leaderboard could be two flavors:

1. List of servers and their rankings.
2. List of players and their world rank.

That stuff is important. Most competitive games nowadays have leaderboards. COMPETITION YO!

Can someone link me where a dev says world xp is based on how long ennemy lived?

I cznt find it and it Sounds good

I don’t get it?

If a group of 10 wipe a 30-man zerg, they get no XP because they wiped them 5 minutes earlier.

But if that zerg doubles their numbers everyone in that zerg gets TONNES of XP when they wipe the 10-man group, because they stayed alive for a long time?

This is pathetic.

Leaderboards themselves are useless unless they have info that people actually want to see.

See Camelot Herald as an example of things like….

Things like Solo kill count, IRS, Rank for your class ect ect..

Leaderboards themselves are useless unless they have info that people actually want to see.
See Camelot Herald as an example of things like….
Things like Solo kill count, IRS, Rank for your class ect ect..

Disagree, and ArenaNet needs to start small. Advanced statistics could always come later. Baby steps yo.

chrisk.4320:

Leaderboards themselves are useless unless they have info that people actually want to see.
See Camelot Herald as an example of things like….
Things like Solo kill count, IRS, Rank for your class ect ect..

Disagree, and ArenaNet needs to start small. Advanced statistics could always come later. Baby steps yo.

If they want people to play this game, They should of started Months ago at starting Small, at this point they can’t afford to do that.

I don’t think people grasp how badly this game would be doing if it was Subscription based.

If they want people to play this game, They should of started Months ago at starting Small, at this point they can’t afford to do that.
I don’t think people grasp how badly this game would be doing if it was Subscription based.

The game is doing fine, but keep with the sensationalism (as these forums are great at).

Xsorus.2507:

dreztina.4820:

God that is awful. The progression is fastest for zergers, the abilities are fully meant for zerging activities, and because I don’t do that stuff, I’m going to permanently have some nub title above my head while the worst zergers are going to get the epic high rank titles. And to top it off, because you get more points for people who die less and points aren’t split up, I’m going to have huge zergs chasing me around for the massive point bonus.

I hate you wvw team. I really, truly hate you.

Pretty much, Its amazing how hard Development teams fail when coming up with these things..

People have been asking for DAOC2 for years now…and every time a Developer is like “We can do that” and then they just fail so hard at it..

How hard is it to just copy the bloody game already..

Want to play some DAOC with us??

“Keep in mind, the choices you make with your World Ability Points are permanent.”

interesting

chrisk.4320:

If they want people to play this game, They should of started Months ago at starting Small, at this point they can’t afford to do that.
I don’t think people grasp how badly this game would be doing if it was Subscription based.

The game is doing fine, but keep with the sensationalism (as these forums are great at).

This game isn’t doing as good as you think it is.

Emerge.9640:

Xsorus.2507:

dreztina.4820:

God that is awful. The progression is fastest for zergers, the abilities are fully meant for zerging activities, and because I don’t do that stuff, I’m going to permanently have some nub title above my head while the worst zergers are going to get the epic high rank titles. And to top it off, because you get more points for people who die less and points aren’t split up, I’m going to have huge zergs chasing me around for the massive point bonus.

I hate you wvw team. I really, truly hate you.

Pretty much, Its amazing how hard Development teams fail when coming up with these things..

People have been asking for DAOC2 for years now…and every time a Developer is like “We can do that” and then they just fail so hard at it..

How hard is it to just copy the bloody game already..

Want to play some DAOC with us??

Couple of my friends have already been asking me to come back and play the Valkyrie (Or my Minstrel)

Moxtidus.4576:

Can someone link me where a dev says world xp is based on how long ennemy lived?

I cznt find it and it Sounds good

In the very blogpost linked in the first post.

The amount of WXP you receive from defeating another player is directly related to how long the victim has been alive. Players who have recently been killed are potentially worth no points, while a player that has survived for a longer period of time is worth more.

Xsorus.2507:

Emerge.9640:

Xsorus.2507:

dreztina.4820:

God that is awful. The progression is fastest for zergers, the abilities are fully meant for zerging activities, and because I don’t do that stuff, I’m going to permanently have some nub title above my head while the worst zergers are going to get the epic high rank titles. And to top it off, because you get more points for people who die less and points aren’t split up, I’m going to have huge zergs chasing me around for the massive point bonus.

I hate you wvw team. I really, truly hate you.

Pretty much, Its amazing how hard Development teams fail when coming up with these things..

People have been asking for DAOC2 for years now…and every time a Developer is like “We can do that” and then they just fail so hard at it..

How hard is it to just copy the bloody game already..

Want to play some DAOC with us??

Couple of my friends have already been asking me to come back and play the Valkyrie (Or my Minstrel)

I’ve got it all

So what about badges of honor? Weren’t we supposed to be getting ascended gear and new skins?

Vena.8436:

Zergs do not get full exp… but don’t let pre-established game mechanics get in the way of q.q zergs.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Blog-post-on-new-rank-system/first#post1635429

Here are my criticisms:

1) This is the final nail in the coffin for small group play in WvW. The carrot now belongs to zergs (and zerg guilds) that deliver the WXP goods.

2) WXP is awarded only through PvP, and not capping objectives. It is fine to have PvP-only point awards in WvW, however, they should not be tied directly to aquiring WvW abilities. This favours PvP-farmers and zergs (see above).

3) Character-bound points, rank and WXP. This anti-alt, anti-Manifesto (“play your way!”), and favours grind.

MrHaze.3690:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Blog-post-on-new-rank-system/first#post1635429

Hum… I see. Then I shall wait and see.

Man, people need to stop complaining about this. Gosh. This is awesome, new abilities, no culling. I don’t even know what the problem is with ‘zerging’. Please explain?

Seems like good news to me. Except maybe the ‘Siege Might’ ability in the screengrab from the post. I can see it now “Get off the frickin treb/cata/ram man we have a rank five that will do double the damage!”

GET IN THE PILE AND MASH #1
TO THE BUSH HOG, FAST! NOMNOMNOM

1111111111

Oink

Sithaco.4673:

Man, people need to stop complaining about this. Gosh. This is awesome, new abilities, no culling. I don’t even know what the problem is with ‘zerging’. Please explain?

You mean new passives, and the passives you get are crap..

The first 3, simply won’t be bought, Cause you can already solo these camps with ease…

The Next 3 are the best to buy

the last 2 are iffy, I’d say Cannon use will not be bought, Simply because the Cannon is the first thing to go when defending a keep.

Ballista might be bought, who knows..

As for Zerging, people look down on it because it requires zero skill, and is already over rewarded in this game.

“When you participate in WvW events " first sentence about WXP. Cry more how only killing players will get you exp. Untill i see the patch notes i won’t say anything, but so far i like the changes.

Thrumdi.9216:

Here are my criticisms:

1) This is the final nail in the coffin for small group play in WvW. The carrot now belongs to zergs (and zerg guilds) that deliver the WXP goods.

Enterprising groups with the supply buff will take more on their own without needing pugs as mules.

Thrumdi.9216:

2) WXP is awarded only through PvP, and not capping objectives. It is fine to have PvP-only point awards in WvW, however, they should not be tied directly to aquiring WvW abilities. This favours PvP-farmers and zergs (see above).

Events reward WXP, which is everything involved in capping camps, towers, and keeps.

Thrumdi.9216:

Here are my criticisms:
3) Character-bound points, rank and WXP. This anti-alt, anti-Manifesto (“play your way!”), and favours grind.

I do agree this method of grind is bad. This will create a power gap for new players, and a large annoyance for those with multiple toons.

Also personal improvement idea for the WvW skills. It would have been better to make it account bound, and allow the points gained to be reset on the fly much like the trait system or with a reset fee.

Xsorus.2507:

Sithaco.4673:

Man, people need to stop complaining about this. Gosh. This is awesome, new abilities, no culling. I don’t even know what the problem is with ‘zerging’. Please explain?

You mean new passives, and the passives you get are crap..

The first 3, simply won’t be bought, Cause you can already solo these camps with ease…

The Next 3 are the best to buy

the last 2 are iffy, I’d say Cannon use will not be bought, Simply because the Cannon is the first thing to go when defending a keep.

Ballista might be bought, who knows..

As for Zerging, people look down on it because it requires zero skill, and is already over rewarded in this game.

The first 3 things are exactly what small groups need. Kill the guards, get the supply camp fast and move to the next one. You just want to find something to whine about.

Krakah.3582:

Thrumdi.9216:

Here are my criticisms:

1) This is the final nail in the coffin for small group play in WvW. The carrot now belongs to zergs (and zerg guilds) that deliver the WXP goods.

Enterprising groups with the supply buff will take more on their own without needing pugs as mules.

Thrumdi.9216:

2) WXP is awarded only through PvP, and not capping objectives. It is fine to have PvP-only point awards in WvW, however, they should not be tied directly to aquiring WvW abilities. This favours PvP-farmers and zergs (see above).

Events reward WXP, which is everything involved in capping camps, towers, and keeps.

Thrumdi.9216:

Here are my criticisms:
3) Character-bound points, rank and WXP. This anti-alt, anti-Manifesto (“play your way!”), and favours grind.

I do agree this method of grind is bad. This will create a power gap for new players, and a large annoyance for those with multiple toons.

Thanks for the clarification on what awards WXP. I went back and looked at the blog post, and this is what it says:

When you participate in WvW events and defeat enemy players, you will earn World Experience (WXP).

It does appear to say events award WXP.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Xsorus.2507:

Sithaco.4673:

Man, people need to stop complaining about this. Gosh. This is awesome, new abilities, no culling. I don’t even know what the problem is with ‘zerging’. Please explain?

You mean new passives, and the passives you get are crap..

The first 3, simply won’t be bought, Cause you can already solo these camps with ease…

The Next 3 are the best to buy

the last 2 are iffy, I’d say Cannon use will not be bought, Simply because the Cannon is the first thing to go when defending a keep.

Ballista might be bought, who knows..

As for Zerging, people look down on it because it requires zero skill, and is already over rewarded in this game.

The first 3 things are exactly what small groups need. Kill the guards, get the supply camp fast and move to the next one. You just want to find something to whine about.

if you can’t blow through a camp already incredibly fast with a small group, I don’t know what to tell you?

The only thing that keeps people from killing a camp right now, is that little Flame Buff that Camp Leader gets after the camps been taken recently.

If you buy those first 3 abilities, You’re only gimping yourself.

Sithaco.4673:

Man, people need to stop complaining about this. Gosh. This is awesome, new abilities, no culling. I don’t even know what the problem is with ‘zerging’. Please explain?

- No culling? Great (let´s hope)
- New abilities? That looks better than nothing.

Basically when you zerg your skill becomes less relevant due to the amount of people involved, you can be a low level leeching XP and you are getting more credit for the so called WorldXP or whatever than someone that is actualy being useful for the server. This is the problem. All i would like is a system that takes into account the various components of WvW (including kills), but not something that makes zerging even more appealing geez.

Just read WvW events will be useful for the new system, if it takes everything into consideration then props and i am cool with it.

Xsorus.2507:

if you can’t blow through a camp already incredibly fast with a small group, I don’t know what to tell you?

The only thing that keeps people from killing a camp right now, is that little Flame Buff that Camp Leader gets after the camps been taken recently.

If you buy those first 3 abilities, You’re only gimping yourself.

So how is a small group (lets say 5) taking a supply camp better than 5 people taking 5 supply camps at the same time?

Hexin.5603:

I want to see the ladder, at least in its base form. I believe its the first fundamental step in a good direction for an esport game. I expect it will be minimalist at first, but the functionality if there can open the door to a full fleshed out ladder and progression system. I hope in future to see guild rankings and such leveraging this system.

LOL @ esport.

bring on redbull and monster. i cant stop laughing at that post!!!

lordkrall.7241:

Xsorus.2507:

if you can’t blow through a camp already incredibly fast with a small group, I don’t know what to tell you?

The only thing that keeps people from killing a camp right now, is that little Flame Buff that Camp Leader gets after the camps been taken recently.

If you buy those first 3 abilities, You’re only gimping yourself.

So how is a small group (lets say 5) taking a supply camp better than 5 people taking 5 supply camps at the same time?

The fact that you think those abilities you listed will let you take 5 Supply camps at the same time is rather laughable.

Let me clear this up, I can solo a supply camp in almost a Minute on my Ranger…SOLO

Unless those abilities let you flat out instant kill and instant cap the camp…There is no way your group will ever take 5 supply camps in the time it takes a group to take 1 supply camp.

Xsorus.2507:

The fact that you think those abilities you listed will let you take 5 Supply camps at the same time is rather laughable.

Let me clear this up, I can solo a supply camp in almost a Minute on my Ranger…SOLO

Unless those abilities let you flat out instant kill and instant cap the camp…There is no way your group will ever take 5 supply camps in the time it takes a group to take 1 supply camp.

You completely missed the point.

My point was that if those five people used these upgrades to make possible for each of them to solo-cap a camp, they would do a much better and more productive job than the same five people just capping one camp in that time.

I don’t know about other tiers, but here in NA T1, militia zerging will get you almost no kills atm.

Organised, voice-commed spec groups of 20-30 will kill pug zergs twice their size easy. That’s not a zerg; that’s an army, or a squad.

You people really need to look up the definition of zerg.

What I’d like to know is where’s the info of the new stat and skin sets for badges? I would have liked the blog post to tell me where our WvW ascended stuff is.

Raege.1069:

What I’d like to know is where’s the info of the new stat and skin sets for badges? I would have liked the blog post to tell me where our WvW ascended stuff is.

There won’t be any Ascended gear in the barter store for now.

Xsorus.2507:

chrisk.4320:

If they want people to play this game, They should of started Months ago at starting Small, at this point they can’t afford to do that.
I don’t think people grasp how badly this game would be doing if it was Subscription based.

The game is doing fine, but keep with the sensationalism (as these forums are great at).

This game isn’t doing as good as you think it is.

Rofl a game with no subscription fee that already sold over 2 million copies probably more, with new posts on reddit pretty daily with people saying they are new to the game. I think it is doing fine. There is no sub fee people leave and come back this isn’t WoW lol.

oZii.2864:

Xsorus.2507:

chrisk.4320:

If they want people to play this game, They should of started Months ago at starting Small, at this point they can’t afford to do that.
I don’t think people grasp how badly this game would be doing if it was Subscription based.

The game is doing fine, but keep with the sensationalism (as these forums are great at).

This game isn’t doing as good as you think it is.

Rofl a game with no subscription fee that already sold over 2 million copies probably more, with new posts on reddit pretty daily with people saying they are new to the game. I think it is doing fine. There is no sub fee people leave and come back this isn’t WoW lol.

SWTOR almost sold 2 Million copies (hell it probably did)

Hell Warhammer Online almost sold that many copies,

Both those games had Subscription fee’s

a Buy to Play MMO selling 2 Million Copies is a let down.

lordkrall.7241:

Xsorus.2507:

The fact that you think those abilities you listed will let you take 5 Supply camps at the same time is rather laughable.

Let me clear this up, I can solo a supply camp in almost a Minute on my Ranger…SOLO

Unless those abilities let you flat out instant kill and instant cap the camp…There is no way your group will ever take 5 supply camps in the time it takes a group to take 1 supply camp.

You completely missed the point.

My point was that if those five people used these upgrades to make possible for each of them to solo-cap a camp, they would do a much better and more productive job than the same five people just capping one camp in that time.

Those same 5 people could go solo a cap slightly slower then those 5 people who just spent all their points on useless Guard Damage tiers..Hell…There is a good chance that those 5 people might actually solo faster then the people with Guard Damage tiers depending on their specs and gear.

unless you magically think that not having those passives is showhow keeping players from soloing camps right now (I’ve not seen a single spec that can’t mow through a Supply camp so far)

Xsorus.2507:

SWTOR almost sold 2 Million copies (hell it probably did)

Hell Warhammer Online almost sold that many copies,

Both those games had Subscription fee’s

a Buy to Play MMO selling 2 Million Copies is a let down.

You are a master of logical fallacy (and failing to fact check your numbers).

Xsorus.2507:

Those same 5 people could go solo a cap slightly slower then those 5 people who just spent all their points on useless Guard Damage tiers..Hell…There is a good chance that those 5 people might actually solo faster then the people with Guard Damage tiers depending on their specs and gear.

unless you magically think that not having those passives is showhow keeping players from soloing camps right now (I’ve not seen a single spec that can’t mow through a Supply camp so far)

Not all people/professions can simply run in and solo a camp within a minute without help.
Especially not if it is upgraded and defended by mercenaries. The reduction and increase in damage could make quite a bit of different and make it possible though.

ParaldaWind.4523:

So what about badges of honor? Weren’t we supposed to be getting ascended gear and new skins?

This. Am I going to have to PvE to get all my gear or will I finally get to spend all my game time doing something I enjoy and get the same rewards as PvE folks? Why does every game make this kitten mistake?

Vena.8436:

Xsorus.2507:

SWTOR almost sold 2 Million copies (hell it probably did)

Hell Warhammer Online almost sold that many copies,

Both those games had Subscription fee’s

a Buy to Play MMO selling 2 Million Copies is a let down.

You are a master of logical fallacy (and failing to fact check your numbers).

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/31584/star-wars-the-old-republic/

2.56 Million Copies sold

(Remember, this is copies sold, Not Subscribers)

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/37350/guild-wars-2/

Hmm yes