Guild Wars 2

Ok, I would like to discuss an issue that has been a hot topic on these forums. Night capping, ergo enhanced WvW activity during late night hours is ruining the fun for all three parties involved.

Attached below you’ll see a screenshot of our current WvW match taken some during peak hours last night (around 6PM). As you can see, things are fairly even or at least hotly contested. That’s pretty much what you’d expect from WvW.

But once night hours come along, this happens:

The {FR} Servers go from being a competitive force towards becoming an all out dominating force controlling roughly 80% of all bases in WvW.

Why is that seems the obvious question. Do they have sudden influx of skill, is there a guild dedicated to night-capping?

No, well not quite. There’s in fact an entire state (Quebec) that comes to life on french servers at these hours. Where Central European activity starts declining significantly around midnight, the French activity just starts kicking in.

The results are quite staggering. Despite their average PvP performance during the day, the {FR} servers are leading the score board by miles setting themselves way ahead of everyone else. This isn’t because of superior play, but simply because of language preference.

Now the real problem is that such a rating system benefits no body.

1. The French-Canadians don’t get to PvP seriously because there’s hardly anybody left to fight them. They’re left twiddling their thumbs and picking off easy kills. WvW is only fun if you have someone to fight.

2. The French will, based on their overwhelming score, be matched against much stronger servers than actually match their play-style. If they continue to dominate the night hours in such a fashion they’ll find themselves matched against servers that completely dominate them during the day while they hold the night hours when nobody is playing.

3. It makes everything achieved during the day hours feel futile and pointless. Because it is. There is no reasonable way to counter such a huge influx of players during night hours and there’s no way to hold on to your points.
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While this issue is somewhat mirrored with other nations (Australians playing on US servers) I believe the Quebec -> France connection is an extreme. Their hours correlate very closely with night hours in Europe and there’s a very limited number of French servers so their population is very focused.

I’m not trying to whine about “unfair” WvW situations etc. I’m trying to point out that the current situation benefits no one. It’s not fun for anyone. That’s what this is about.

Edit: Because people can’t think beyond “herpkittenyou’re doing it wrong” and “recruit people from China narf!” I’ll actually have to propose a fix myself:

As for a fix, well I’ve said it before (in other threads) and I’ll say it again.

Scale the score system according to peak play time.
Peak hours (5PM to 1AM) – 150% the standard score
Late Night (1AM to 9 AM) – 50% the standard score
Day time (9AM to 5PM) – 100% the standard score
-Minimal impact on game-play. Everyone still gets to do whatever they like, when they like.
-No artificial limits, buffs or NPCs.
-Not really unfair since late night players typically face less resistance.
There a simple, intuitive fix that seamlessly addresses many WvW issues.

Well stop being racist and transfer your guild to offpeak hour servers. Mix it up.

That’s a screenshot from late night hours (around 4AM iirc). You can see how drastic the change in power is.

This is reflected in the score as you can see.

PS: This is the 2nd French server I’ve fought and it was the same issue there.

A nightcapping thread? And it’s not about HoD? Blasphemy.

It’s here to stay, so get used to it. Anet already stating they have no plans to counter this, but since people have a hard time searching a forum; they can’t find the post related to that. Recruit more late night guilds… Nuff said.

Gankfest.4965:

It’s here to stay, so get used to it. Anet already stating they have no plans to counter this, but since people have a hard time searching a forum; they can’t find the post related to that. Recruit more late night guilds… Nuff said.

I’m going to giggle gleefully when Anet addresses this issue and you’re left with an endless queue thanks to your timezone stacking.

melchiz.7182:

Gankfest.4965:

It’s here to stay, so get used to it. Anet already stating they have no plans to counter this, but since people have a hard time searching a forum; they can’t find the post related to that. Recruit more late night guilds… Nuff said.

I’m going to giggle gleefully when Anet addresses this issue and you’re left with an endless queue thanks to your timezone stacking.

Na, they already well stated in the Wv3 section that Wv3 is meant to be 24 hours around the clock fighting… I just giggle at you!

There’s really no other word to describe your post but ‘selfish’. I could go and make the exact same post and call it by the same name, but from an Oceanic point of view.

GW2 is a global game, not just a US game. Just because the servers are hosted in NA it doesn’t mean that you suddenly receive all rights to push the rest of the world out of having a bit of fun as well.

We currently have issues of Isle of Janthir, which have been improving quite rapidly, where the Oceanic timezone on our server does quite well each day, with far less players than the other servers have online in WvW, and then we come back the next evening only to find we’ve lost everything we fed all our cash into upgrading, etc.

It’s extremely frustrating, but it hasn’t made us have a cry about it or ask for the game to be changed, it’s made us go out and try to recruit US timezone players as well as EU timezone players to keep our points at a decent level during our low periods. Arenanet has clearly said that there is a certain level of responsibility from the players to organise the servers themselves as they cannot force people to play on specific servers.

You should really think about things from the other side before you decide to whine away.

So let them fight. Just have it count for less during late hours (or have it count for more during peak hours).

If you’d have bothered to read my post then you’d understand that the current situation (on French servers) isn’t benefiting anyone.

As the server moves up the ladder (which it will based on their scores) the regular day-time players will end up meeting impossible resistance while the Canadians will still be sweeping the map every night, killing 10 times more NPCs than players in the process.

Meanwhile opponents of those servers feel any attempt at victory is futile.

This is a lose/lose/lose situation.

I wouldn’t have a problem with this if they were actually TRYING to do this, if this was a planned strategy. But it’s not. It’s just a happen stance that will end up ruining the fun for everyone involved.

There are heaps of teething problems with WvWvW at the moment. The NA servers are stuck with FOUR servers that are currently in another league (HoD/SBI/ET/JQ). Since we started, every second day we’d come up against the loser of the top 3 of those sides and they’d absolutely demolish us. We’d drop down a tier, win that tier by quite a lot and go back up against one of the top FOUR sides again. You know what? Big deal. Bad luck.

It’s not Arenanet’s fault that four servers got themselves organised while the rest sat around doing nothing and hoped that people would magically join their unorganised server. They put in the hard yards and now it’s paying off. We’re now putting in the effort, which is a lot harder now than pre-release, to bring our server back into being able to be competitive with one of those top four sides. It won’t happen overnight but we’ll eventually get there and it gives us an awesome goal to work towards.

I know its generalized, but its funny how american’s think they are the center on the universe.

Dee Jay, deal with it.

It happens on EVERY mmo with capture points (eve online, daoc, warhammer online)

Take Eve online for an example, alliances recruit from all timezones so they have the player presence to hold systems throughout all time zones.

Start recruiting more people from another time zone to your server…

Just because I dont live in the US (i’m Australian) shouldn’t mean in our peak time, WvW should mean less, I dont think you know how much of a whining idiot your making yourself out to sound. If you cant handle 3 faction 24/7 WvW, get back to your PvE

Thalantyr.2856:

There’s really no other word to describe your post but ‘selfish’. I could go and make the exact same post and call it by the same name, but from an Oceanic point of view.

GW2 is a global game, not just a US game. Just because the servers are hosted in NA it doesn’t mean that you suddenly receive all rights to push the rest of the world out of having a bit of fun as well.

We currently have issues of Isle of Janthir, which have been improving quite rapidly, where the Oceanic timezone on our server does quite well each day, with far less players than the other servers have online in WvW, and then we come back the next evening only to find we’ve lost everything we fed all our cash into upgrading, etc.

It’s extremely frustrating, but it hasn’t made us have a cry about it or ask for the game to be changed, it’s made us go out and try to recruit US timezone players as well as EU timezone players to keep our points at a decent level during our low periods. Arenanet has clearly said that there is a certain level of responsibility from the players to organise the servers themselves as they cannot force people to play on specific servers.

You should really think about things from the other side before you decide to whine away.

And so should you. You’re just as selfish as you claim me to be.

1. The thing is, I HAVE thought about the others as I have explained in my post. I can’t read it out to you in person. You will actually have to read it yourself.

2. Nowhere in the OP did I make any suggestion on how to solve the issue. I merely pointed out that it was an issue and one that nobody benefits from (in the long end).

3. The Australian → USA issue isn’t nearly as pronounced as the Quebec → France issue. It’s a big difference between having a population of 20 Mio. spread out over what…two dozen servers or having a population of 8 Mio. congregate to three.

4. They play on those servers because of the language, which is fair enough. But aside from English people summoning Americans no other European country can draw upon a significant player base from a different time-zone.

5. I’m not hugely invested into WvW. But I recognize when something is broken and needs to be fixed. Sure I can sit out the week and hope to be matched vs. English/German/Spanish servers next time round but then the problem won’t go away. It just means the problem moves on to someone else.

PressureTested.9341:

I know its generalized, but its funny how american’s think they are the center on the universe.

Dee Jay, deal with it.

It happens on EVERY mmo with capture points (eve online, daoc, warhammer online)

Take Eve online for an example, alliances recruit from all timezones so they have the player presence to hold systems throughout all time zones.

Start recruiting more people from another time zone to your server…

Just because I dont live in the US (i’m Australian) shouldn’t mean in our peak time, WvW should mean less, I dont think you know how much of a whining idiot your making yourself out to sound. If you cant handle 3 faction 24/7 WvW, get back to your PvE

1. I’m on a German server. CET is the only time zone in which German is spoken.

2. I couldn’t care less about winning/losing/WvW performance. But I want my contribution to matter and I care about a fixing a broken system.

3. I don’t run a guild, I don’t play in one that is hugely invested in anything. I don’t recruit people, I don’t form Alliances or whatever. I just play the game.

Dee Jay.2460:

PressureTested.9341:

I know its generalized, but its funny how american’s think they are the center on the universe.

Dee Jay, deal with it.

It happens on EVERY mmo with capture points (eve online, daoc, warhammer online)

Take Eve online for an example, alliances recruit from all timezones so they have the player presence to hold systems throughout all time zones.

Start recruiting more people from another time zone to your server…

Just because I dont live in the US (i’m Australian) shouldn’t mean in our peak time, WvW should mean less, I dont think you know how much of a whining idiot your making yourself out to sound. If you cant handle 3 faction 24/7 WvW, get back to your PvE

kittenstop telling me to recruit from other time-zones.

1. I’m on a German server. CET is the only time zone in which German is spoken.

2. I couldn’t care less about winning/losing/WvW performance. But I want my contribution to matter and I care about a fixing a broken system.

3. I don’t run a guild, I don’t play in one that is hugely invested in anything. I don’t recruit people, I don’t form Alliances or whatever. I just play the game.

Well I dont understand what the hell you want to be fixed? your server only get what they put in, do something constructive rather than whine on the forums, and I dont even understand why your doing this if you dont even seem to care about “winning” WvW?

WvWvW isn’t meant to be easy or forgiving, its meant to be end game challenging and against the odds. If you want easy, WvW isn’t for you.

DeeJay,

I think you need to calm down and have a sleep. You’ll wake up much clearer.

1: You should recruit from more timezones
2: You should join a guild/alliance, especially in a game called Guild Wars 2
3: You should learn to adapt to other languages, we have portugese speaking guilds on our Teamspeak that aren’t in our alliance or guild, they’re here for organisation
4: It is fun for other people, do not assume that because it’s not fun for you that everyone is having a boring time
5: If you’re going to post about an issue, you should post possible solutions. Nobody likes a whiner that doesn’t know what he wants
6: You should recruit from more timezones

I find this timezone bs funny. i live in the US and many of the people in our guild only player during 10pm-5am central time due to work schedules. Dee Jay you may not have presented a “solution” but your intent is clear to either a) reduce importance of night time activity by reducing points or b) turn WvW into a peak time only operation (ie Aion Abyss). Btw before you even suggest it I am not in 1 of the top 4 servers.

Honestly I believe the point system should have been a hidden system for server matching only. The server reward boost should have been gained and lost based on amount of control points, however for this to work maps should be bigger, they shouldnt be instance, and there should be no inital waypoint keep.

The waypoint thing im talking about, take for instance DAoC to travel between each factions area (pre laby) use a ship to get there. then once there obtain and hold a coastal keep to port to and if im not mistaken hold the 4 towers as well. As of now bouncing from borderland to borderland is simple and since the maps are tiny in comparison to DAoCs hitting keep after keep is a joke. The keeps are weak even after upgrading, the insta-repair of walls and doors is a joke.

There are other compounding problems like free server transfers, rendering issues, map caps but if i had more time i would list a ton of other issue however i have to get ready to finish out for the day so i can head home to WvW.

When YOU cap, is probably night time for somebody else

so they cant do what YOU do?

how racist

PressureTested.9341:

Dee Jay.2460:

PressureTested.9341:

I know its generalized, but its funny how american’s think they are the center on the universe.

Dee Jay, deal with it.

It happens on EVERY mmo with capture points (eve online, daoc, warhammer online)

Take Eve online for an example, alliances recruit from all timezones so they have the player presence to hold systems throughout all time zones.

Start recruiting more people from another time zone to your server…

Just because I dont live in the US (i’m Australian) shouldn’t mean in our peak time, WvW should mean less, I dont think you know how much of a whining idiot your making yourself out to sound. If you cant handle 3 faction 24/7 WvW, get back to your PvE

kittenstop telling me to recruit from other time-zones.

1. I’m on a German server. CET is the only time zone in which German is spoken.

2. I couldn’t care less about winning/losing/WvW performance. But I want my contribution to matter and I care about a fixing a broken system.

3. I don’t run a guild, I don’t play in one that is hugely invested in anything. I don’t recruit people, I don’t form Alliances or whatever. I just play the game.

Well I dont understand what the hell you want to be fixed? your server only get what they put in, do something constructive rather than whine on the forums, and I dont even understand why your doing this if you dont even seem to care about “winning” WvW?

WvWvW isn’t meant to be easy or forgiving, its meant to be end game challenging and against the odds. If you want easy, WvW isn’t for you.

This has nothing to do with being challenging or not. It’s not “hard” or “challenging”. Easy…hard….those words don’t even make any sense in this context.

WvW doesn’t become harder because of night capping. It just screws up the score boards. I don’t die more often, it’s not more challenging….it’s just waking up each morning to realize that the Canadians guys have yet again conquered the entire map while everyone else was asleep. That’s it.

As for a fix, well I’ve said it before (in other threads) and I’ll say it again.

Scale the score system according to peak play time.

Peak hours (5PM to 1AM) – 150% the standard score
Late Night (1AM to 9 AM) – 50% the standard score
Day time (9AM to 5PM) – 100% the standard score

-Minimal impact on game-play. Everyone still gets to do whatever they like, when they like.
-No artificial limits, buffs or NPCs.
-Not really unfair since late night players typically face less resistance.

There a simple, intuitive fix that seamlessly addresses many WvW issues.

Dee Jay.2460:

PressureTested.9341:

Dee Jay.2460:

PressureTested.9341:

I know its generalized, but its funny how american’s think they are the center on the universe.

Dee Jay, deal with it.

It happens on EVERY mmo with capture points (eve online, daoc, warhammer online)

Take Eve online for an example, alliances recruit from all timezones so they have the player presence to hold systems throughout all time zones.

Start recruiting more people from another time zone to your server…

Just because I dont live in the US (i’m Australian) shouldn’t mean in our peak time, WvW should mean less, I dont think you know how much of a whining idiot your making yourself out to sound. If you cant handle 3 faction 24/7 WvW, get back to your PvE

kittenstop telling me to recruit from other time-zones.

1. I’m on a German server. CET is the only time zone in which German is spoken.

2. I couldn’t care less about winning/losing/WvW performance. But I want my contribution to matter and I care about a fixing a broken system.

3. I don’t run a guild, I don’t play in one that is hugely invested in anything. I don’t recruit people, I don’t form Alliances or whatever. I just play the game.

Well I dont understand what the hell you want to be fixed? your server only get what they put in, do something constructive rather than whine on the forums, and I dont even understand why your doing this if you dont even seem to care about “winning” WvW?

WvWvW isn’t meant to be easy or forgiving, its meant to be end game challenging and against the odds. If you want easy, WvW isn’t for you.

This has nothing to do with being challenging or not. It’s not “hard” or “challenging”. Easy…hard….those words don’t even make any sense in this context.

WvW doesn’t become harder because of night capping. It just screws up the score boards. I don’t die more often, it’s not more challenging….it’s just waking up each morning to realize that the Canadians guys have yet again conquered the entire map while everyone else was asleep. That’s it.

As for a fix, well I’ve said it before (in other threads) and I’ll say it again.

Scale the score system according to peak play time.

Peak hours (5PM to 1AM) – 150% the standard score
Late Night (1AM to 9 AM) – 50% the standard score
Day time (9AM to 5PM) – 100% the standard score

-Minimal impact on game-play. Everyone still gets to do whatever they like, when they like.
-No artificial limits, buffs or NPCs.
-Not really unfair since late night players typically face less resistance.

There a simple, intuitive fix that seamlessly addresses many WvW issues.

How is that a simple fix when it effects everyone that isn’t in YOUR timezone?

You dont get it do you? WvW isn’t about a single person, its meant to be challenging for the server, its not meant to be about the single person, that why you can’t go around solo and capture towers and keeps…
I dont see why your posting about a factor of the game you clearly can’t grasp the concept of being frontier RvR

PressureTested.9341:

How is that a simple fix when it effects everyone that isn’t in YOUR timezone?

You dont get it do you? WvW isn’t about a single person, its meant to be challenging for the server, its not meant to be about the single person, that why you can’t go around solo and capture towers and keeps…
I dont see why your posting about a factor of the game you clearly can’t grasp the concept of being frontier RvR

Godkittendo I have to spell everything out? Is there no common sense to be found in this community?

It’s not about my time-zone. It’s a bloody EU server. The server location dictates what time is considered “standard”. Why even bother with different regional severs if you’re going to argue like that.

Hell, WoW even had East and West Coast servers to cater to the different time-zones.

But hell, we can turn that argument around too you know. Instead of making this about denying the Canadians their shot a WvW why not talk about how 90% of the WvW that happens between the 3 servers turns out to be completely ineffectual for the final results.

Essentially what happens during the rest of the day is completely overshadowed by the nightly dominance. How do you think that affect peoples enjoyment?

If you’d actually bothered to read and follow my argument…which nobody here has really done, then you’d get that this situation has NO WINNERs. It benefits nobody. Read the OP if you need to be told why it benefits no one in the end.

PressureTested.9341:

How is that a simple fix when it effects everyone that isn’t in YOUR timezone?

You dont get it do you? WvW isn’t about a single person, its meant to be challenging for the server, its not meant to be about the single person, that why you can’t go around solo and capture towers and keeps…
I dont see why your posting about a factor of the game you clearly can’t grasp the concept of being frontier RvR

Godkittendo I have to spell everything out? Is there no common sense to be found in this community?

It’s not about my time-zone. It’s a bloody EU server. The server location dictates what time is considered “standard”. Why even bother with different regional severs if you’re going to argue like that.

Hell, WoW even had East and West Coast servers to cater to the different time-zones.

But hell, we can turn that argument around too you know. Instead of making this about denying the Canadians their shot a WvW why not talk about how 90% of the WvW that happens between the 3 servers turns out to be completely ineffectual for the final results.

Essentially what happens during the rest of the day is completely overshadowed by the nightly dominance. How do you think that affect peoples enjoyment?

If you’d actually bothered to read and follow my argument…which nobody here has really done, then you’d get that this situation has NO WINNERs. It benefits nobody. Read the OP if you need to be told why it benefits no one in the end.

“I’m not trying to whine about “unfair” WvW situations etc. I’m trying to point out that the current situation benefits no one. It’s not fun for anyone. That’s what this is about.”

This is your OPINION. How can you possibly say it is not fun for anyone. It is not fun for you – that is the only fact you have.

Also, I agree, you’re not trying to whine about “unfair” pvp – you have succeeded in whining wholeheartedly. Congratulations on your astounding siccess. ANet have stated WvWvW is a 24 hour prospect – how is that so difficult to grasp?

Your “solution” completely devalues the efforts of some players and then completely overvalues the efforts of other players – how can you even postulate this is a viable solution when this the devaluing of YOUR effort is exactly what you have been whinging about?

Finally, I just love the way you pick and choose which posts to answer.

Dee Jay.2460:

Scale the score system according to peak play time.
Peak hours (5PM to 1AM) – 150% the standard score
Late Night (1AM to 9 AM) – 50% the standard score
Day time (9AM to 5PM) – 100% the standard score
-Minimal impact on game-play. Everyone still gets to do whatever they like, when they like.
-No artificial limits, buffs or NPCs.
-Not really unfair since late night players typically face less resistance.
There a simple, intuitive fix that seamlessly addresses many WvW issues.

You have it good until you reach that part. The question I’m going to throw at you is, which timezone did you based your “peak hours”, “late night”, and “day time”? Obviously, yours – the EU timezone. And that’s where your suggestion falls apart.

You are penalizing a region just because of what? That the EU people are sleeping? Why not penalize the EU region when their region is sleeping too? Seeing where I’m getting at?

It won’t work. It just won’t. A 24-hr server will have to find ways of balancing their timezone spread without asking for “changes”. These changes will affect everyone, not just you guys.

Secondly, we have EU and NA servers not because you have to be “proud of your region” or because NCsoft and ArenaNet are ‘officially’ serving “EU and NA” only. No, not at all. We have EU and NA servers for the sole reason of — database and peering issues.

If NCsoft and ArenaNet found a good solution, they would have gone down the road of games like SecondLife and EVE Online – one database to rule them all. But they did not, obviously tells us that they saw problems of doing just that – so they created EU and NA.

It’s already bad that EU and NA servers doesn’t see each other. In my opinion, EU and NA servers should be able to match each other – that will, in a way, give everyone more challenge. For example, in NA servers, we all know when Asia-Pacific and NA players go online, so we time our WvW in it. But if we get matched to an EU server, we will need to adapt if we want to maintain our lead.

Try that first. I don’t know why EU and NA servers are not matched together in WvW, probably peering reasons but I don’t see that as a problem – I mean, if peering is an issue, then they wouldn’t let EU players transfer to NA, and vice versa in the first place.

So, I suggest that: mix EU and NA servers and let us all have a chance to face people in different timezones. That unofficial Quebec server will find their match in one of the unofficial Asia-Pacific/ASEAN/Oceanic (whatever you want to call them) servers.

The NA “HoD” QQ will find their match with one of the EU servers too. Not only that, we’ll get to know who’s the best :p

I’ve also thought that structuring the point scoring based on the amount of players online is not the worst idea. This has nothing to do with Americans thinking they are better than everyone; it has everything to do with basing the scoring on PEAK hours of the day.

If the PEAK time was during New Yorks 4AM, then that’s when the scoring would be scaled highest. But since that’s probably the lowest pop time; it should score the lowest.

Reward players who fight during the peak hours; when maps and queues are full. And make the teams that have a solid late night group still gain something for it; just not as much. Why? Because taking over a skeleton held keep should not reward the same as taking over a defended one.

Why do this? I have heard plenty of talk about players leaving the game for this reason alone. Soon they will start walking that talk.

Obligatory kitten statement.

Because taking over a skeleton held keep should not reward the same as taking over a defended one.

You almost had a semblance of logic up until this point….. You obviously don’t play in my Prime which is of course different to yours. In our daily and weekly match ups there has never been such a thing as “skeleton keeps” – although play is totally different to what happens in your Prime.

WvWvW in my Prime is based around smaller groups, because, yes, there may be less people on – but each server has less people on. So what actually happens is that WvWvW is no longer based around rubbish zerg pvp, it’s all of a sudden actually based on group play and tactics and real pvp. Not mashing your 200 players against my 200 players. Tactics and skill actually mean something in my Prime. I play in your Prime regularly and it seems more about who can get their 200 keyboard facerollers to one place at one time.

So to all you whingers out there who never play in my Prime – please, stop the rubbish and the incessant whining. You obviously have no idea what actually goes on and you just have to have a massive sooky la la about the fact that your petty needs aren’t being met.

Dee Jay.2460:

No, well not quite. There’s in fact an entire state (Quebec) that comes to life on french servers at these hours. Where Central European activity starts declining significantly around midnight, the French activity just starts kicking in.

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1. The French-Canadians don’t get to PvP seriously because there’s hardly anybody left to fight them. They’re left twiddling their thumbs and picking off easy kills. WvW is only fun if you have someone to fight.

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While this issue is somewhat mirrored with other nations (Australians playing on US servers) I believe the Quebec -> France connection is an extreme. Their hours correlate very closely with night hours in Europe and there’s a very limited number of French servers so their population is very focused.

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Believing in those rumors killed your post, you lost your credibility, sorry.

It would be a good idea if there was a bunch of servers for each timezone, it is not the case : USA are on several timezones, and other continent, not EU are probably playing on american servers too (execpt russians I think they play on EU servers).
The only real way to counter nightcappers it is to have night teams, it is possible, even if it is not easy I don’t think there is any server with 0 players at night time. You may have less number but you can counter that by plaing exclusively on one map, with the number of players limited by map you would be outnumbered on the map you decided to play that much.
You are going to object that if you protect only one map at night you still loose a bunch of points, but it would initiate a whole new dynamic, and probably you will have a lot more players that already are playing at night more willing to help out instead of staying in PVE because they are not enough.

WvW is broken at the core, there were several ways to prevent WvW turning into this farce, anet unfortunately didn’t choose anyone of them, which is now resulting in the massive loss of players (GW2 isn’t even among the top10 streamed games anymore).
Sorry fanboys but dee jay has a valid point, though limiting playernumbers would only be one way to prevent nightcapping.
The best thing a-net could have done would have been to make WvW much much larger, so it wouldn’t be possible to capture all castles over a night, unfortunatly they decided to design the WvW maps for the WoW-generation who isn’t familiar with running more then 3min to get to the action.

Easy! Make a PvP guild and recruit people from different timezones. If you got like 2000 people like somebody said they have then you guys can definitely get a night crew.. sounds easy to say but it’s hard haha

nightcapping has to go away.
its a broken system and bad design.

skjutengris.6923:

nightcapping has to go away.
its a broken system and bad design.

It’s not nightcapping. People are awake during those hours -there’s a whole world out there.

Honestly the only thing that is going to fix this problem is to run WvWvW matches only on weekends, there is no issues of people working or having to sleep at specific times, and no player from anywhere in the world gets labled as night cappers or anything else.

The weekend fighting between Hod, SBI and ET was amazingly fun…then monday comes along and HoD just captures all the territories without any risistance, i know for a fact that myself a several friends/guildmates dont care at all about WvWvW once monday rolls along

aNet has made only one mistake: language pref. servers;

the problem now is, that while [EN] and [FR] have the possibility to recruit and form multi timezone alliances, the [DE] get the short end of the stick, because noone will really play there unless the prefer to speak german (i wouldn’t altho i do speak german myself).

so yeah, the system is flawed, but only in regards to [FR] and [DE] servers. the language prefs should be remove if aNet intends to have a 24/7 wvw system, OR [DE] server should not be paired against anyone, but [DE] servers. if that is viable, is a whole different story though.

You admit yourself that you and your friends/guildmates aren’t trying after sunday.

Maybe that is the issue.

Else I am not sure how dedicated language servers are hurting WvWvW, at least the Fr part, unless you really believe we have 2K canadians logging on to play on EU server to fight NPC while lagging like hell.

It is not an issue sorry but night capping is 100% fine.

We dont bother because it wont matter if the 4-6 of us play or not, yeah sure we could run around for a few hours taking supply camps, whoopdeedoo

our servers need probably 100-200 more people on each map to even contend once monday rolls around, there is no point to our small group playing when that is the case

Yeah, if everyone reasons that way on your server, you shouldn’t be surprised to get stomped during the week.

Personnaly I am always running in WvW in a group of 5, and we can still be pretty efficient. Just holding ressources camps as you said, can hurt your ennemies. And usually if you want to launch a bigger attack, and ask politely on /team, some people join.

Or you can just whine, and complain about noone leading on /team, I see that enough happening on my server as well.

All that to say, if you aren’t trying yourself, don’t expect others people to come and do it for you. What you are asking here isn’t Anet to balance the game, just Anet to favor YOUR timezone, because you are too lazy to try.

Yeah it is surprising I know, but not al the servers have the same peak times.

The excuse of recruit NA/SEA/… guilds is a pretty bad argument in this case. Unless you suddenly are able to convince people to join a German speaking community.

Also this 24/7 concept is all nice and well but then the servers should have never been split up by region. The language tags are even more ridiculous.

I don’t see any benefit in locking people out because they play at a different time then the majority of the population. Some kind of balance mechanism would be great though.

Always same arguments.

As yours may seem valid, several time, others explained you, not everyone can play during ‘prime time’.

And as usual you seem to ignore it. Your proposition is just as selfish, as what you complain about. Why someone who work during night, and play at a different time, shouldn’t be able to play the game?
On top of that if a server can mobilize their players for a longer period of time, they deserve to win. Period. I see no reason to disfavor them.

No solution is perfect, but the Anet system is good. If your server can’t match the presence of others, it will get down the ladder and match server they can compete with.

If you are annoyed cause you aren’t in a top server, there is transfer for you, and you can join one.

I am not sure why everyone is crying.

elvy,

Can you tell me what the problem is with having a balanced population at every point of the day, “prime” and “night”?

The only thing that would happen is closer fights and hopefully people spreading out more.

The system right now were 1 week you roll a server and the next you loose horribly is getting old pretty quick for many people (Hi SWTOR).

As an Australian player, I play when I can in the morning or nights (here). But why should I be disadvantaged in my peak playing time with my guild because I live here (as OP suggested).

I agree there is issues sometimes (like wanting to get good fights in at night, but only to find we own 90% of the map or own 5%) but setting times for bonuses/WvW etc limited it just to the NA (or EU) people to play and get that… just doesn’t seem as fair.

PressureTested.9341:

Just because I dont live in the US (i’m Australian) shouldn’t mean in our peak time, WvW should mean less, I dont think you know how much of a whining idiot your making yourself out to sound. If you cant handle 3 faction 24/7 WvW, get back to your PvE

Nothing to do with being US or not, the same problems happens here on EU servers too. And he might look like a whining idiot, but you people playing out of your timezones and wanting to have the same impact on world than the players from the server’s timezone are selfish, you have nobody against you at night besides NPC’s and you are capturing empty forts. So OF COURSE what you achieve should count for less. Right now, the WWW is just totally ruined by that.

I will repeat it, but there is no problem.

A) You want balanced games. The system will match you with serves you can compete with within a month.

B) What you really want is part of a top server to brag (and I really think that is all it is about for a lot of people). You can transfer there.

Either way, there is no problem, you just make some up.

And yeah there is a problem with having a balanced population at anytime. Let’s say a server has no presence at all during a certain time, but the two others do.
The 2 serves shoudn’t be allowed to play? I am not sure, but this is very selfish to me.

Now, I answered you, explain me why you dont feat in either A or B?

The system doesn’t match teams all that well either. Even right at the very top in NA servers HoD completely outnumbers SBI and ET, as well as JQ who is the last of the “top 4”

Frankly this means the system is broken no matter what because HoD cant face off against anyone else, and neither can SBI , ET and JQ get the fun of destroying the poor kittens who are 4th and 5th, switching on and off.

Server balance is an issue and frankly you’re being just as selfish for thinking its totally fine to have one section of the world having total control over another section of the world.

Ive said it earlier, the only solution is to have weekend matches only, then you could probably even raise the player limit cap and there is no such thing as peak or off-peak hours since people can play all day or all night at their leisure with no school or work.

Reese.4183:

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And he might look like a whining idiot, but you people playing out of your timezones and wanting to have the same impact on world than the players from the server’s timezone are selfish, you have nobody against you at night besides NPC’s and you are capturing empty forts. So OF COURSE what you achieve should count for less. Right now, the WWW is just totally ruined by that.

Wow…. you don’t make yourself look like a whining idiot…. just stupid. To suggest that in my Prime we have no one against us is just plain wrong and ignorant. Every night from the daily match-ups through the weekly match-ups, my server (IoJ) has been up against similar or greater forces. And in fact the pvp is way better than during faceroll US prime time where it is all about who can get their zerg of 200 facerolling “pvp’ers” in place first.

In my prime WvWvW is about small and medium scale pvp – tactics and skill. So stick your head back in the sand and stop having a whinge about something you obviously know absolutely nothing about.