Guild Wars 2

Is there no counter to putting catapults at point-blank range against the wall indicated?

You can set up ACs on that wall and/or use siege disablers from up there.

Only downside is that the wall is quite small so enemy AoE can hurt a lot, but that’s an issue for quite a few walls in the maps.

psizone.8437:

You can set up ACs on that wall and/or use siege disablers from up there.

Only downside is that the wall is quite small so enemy AoE can hurt a lot, but that’s an issue for quite a few walls in the maps.

That sounds like a “no, there is no counter”.

Cant you just auto attk staff 1 on gurd though the wall there?

Yep there is a counter.

Its called get your god kitten melee kitten out there to wreck their sorry kitten with a veil from behind.

Dawdler.8521:

Yep there is a counter.

Its called get your god kitten melee kitten out there to wreck their sorry kitten with a veil from behind.

I don’t think this is a counter. Why? Because people only attack structures when they think they outnumber or can out-fight the defenders.

Dawdler.8521:

Yep there is a counter.

Its called get your god kitten melee kitten out there to wreck their sorry kitten with a veil from behind.

What a bad reply.

Svarty.8019:

Dawdler.8521:

Yep there is a counter.

Its called get your god kitten melee kitten out there to wreck their sorry kitten with a veil from behind.

No! Why? Because people only attack structures when they think they outnumber or can out-fight the defenders.

That’s a cop-out reason. I’ve been in plenty of attacks on that keep at that spot against some very clever out-numbered defenders who delayed us long enough until they could destroy our siege. We can’t carry infinite supply and if you’re just looking to defend from safely behind walls without somehow attacking to disable/destroy the siege or kill individuals trying to resupply, then attrition means you’ll lose every time.

Most of the solutions are related with preparation. They will never be perfect without some risk.

Vikkela.7261:

Dawdler.8521:

Yep there is a counter.

Its called get your god kitten melee kitten out there to wreck their sorry kitten with a veil from behind.

What a bad reply.

Really… I thought it was a great reply.

Svarty.8019:

psizone.8437:

You can set up ACs on that wall and/or use siege disablers from up there.

Only downside is that the wall is quite small so enemy AoE can hurt a lot, but that’s an issue for quite a few walls in the maps.

That sounds like a “no, there is no counter”.

Not sure how you got that…

Can you set up siege to take out the catapult? Yes? Counter.

Whether or not the enemy will/try to stop you from countering is of no relevance, that’s the whole point of the game mode.

If the enemy couldn’t take down your ACs somehow we’d effectively have no counter to the ACs, similar to the issue we has last year when ACs hidden in the corner of a wall could kill everything regardless of its location.

psizone.8437:

Svarty.8019:

psizone.8437:

You can set up ACs on that wall and/or use siege disablers from up there.

Only downside is that the wall is quite small so enemy AoE can hurt a lot, but that’s an issue for quite a few walls in the maps.

That sounds like a “no, there is no counter”.

Not sure how you got that…

Can you set up siege to take out the catapult? Yes? Counter.

Did you even look at the map?

Svarty.8019:

Did you even look at the map?

Yes, you can get on top of that wall…

On the stairs to the side there is a small ledge you can walk on that takes you to it.

Since you seem to be quite condescending and just denying my answer instead of checking, I went and took screens to prove it’s possible.

psizone.8437:

Since you seem to be quite condescending and just denying my answer instead of checking, I went and took screens to prove it’s possible.

You forgot the screenshot of the place to put a cata that causes splash damage to any catas right behind that wall.

Chaba.5410:

psizone.8437:

Since you seem to be quite condescending and just denying my answer instead of checking, I went and took screens to prove it’s possible.

You forgot the screenshot of the place to put a cata that causes splash damage to any catas right behind that wall.

I guess that could work if the catas are close enough, yeah. I haven’t tried that myself though, might give it a bash next time the opportunity arrives.

Naturally, it is countered by cata bubbles. And arrow carts can be countered by shield generators. Everything has a counter. That’s the thing I tried to hint at earlier about preparation and the need to taking the risk to actually fight without siege in order to destroy the enemy siege. If you don’t do it, then the siege game is just one of attrition in favor of the attackers.

Svarty.8019:

Is there no counter to putting catapults at point-blank range against the wall indicated?

1. The mortar at the southern outer gate
2. A treb on the plateau in the west (which is very good to also counter a lot of other cata spots for the outer wall)
3. Maybe a treb next to the lord’s room that hits the wall on the other side.
4. An omega on the wall

Problem is that attackers can spam aoe much easier in walls than defenders. Defenders should have advantage in walls.

I don’t do the BL’s enough to know exactly where that is but if you give me a few hours I’ll come back with a solution for you. I consider myself a siege placement master (:

I checked out the spot… yeah it is very attacker friendly. The location has a similar advantage as Klovan and Wildcreek cata spots only better. Any enemy with a decent force will wall nuke any counter.