Guild Wars 2

This is a general question, belonging in General Discussion. Why? Because WvW is not supposed to be some “mini game” side event in Guild Wars.

Dear ANet,

Right now I can’t play the game I want to play, which is one of the things you’ve identified as a goal for the game. I’m a hardcore WvW player. I came to Guild Wars 2 because it claimed not only to offer this gameplay, but to make it a major focus of the endgame.

I did not play Guild Wars 1, except for just the casual appearance here and there. Why not? Because it had no world vs. world. I have been waiting for a WvW game for the better part of the last decade, ever since Dark Age. And ANet said that GW2 would deliver.

ANet, you launched GW2 with an excellent foundation for Word v. World, and you deserve praise for that. There were many, many things done right from day one. But since opening day, WvW has been completely ignored with priority give to everything else in the game but one of the major pieces of its endgame.

Nearly every “update” to WvW since release has been negative. Remove rewards from escorting Dolyaks because of unintended farming. Remove Orbs of power (a significant tactical component of WvW without which WvW feels more stale) because of imbalanced bonuses and exploiting.) Remove. Eliminate. Remove.

We have had three major content updates since release and not a single one of them including anything for World vs. World.

October: Mad King pve loot and events. How much did I participate in that? About one hour. Why? Because gosh darnit, I’m here toworld vs. world!

November: PVE loot, a new endless PvE dungeon for people to farm like insane lemmings, new gear with better stats only attainable through PvE while impacting WvW. Content, bonus, or player reward updates to WvW? None.

December: Winter’s Day. Over two weeks of even more PvE content to encourage everyone to further ignore WvW, delivering the message loud and clear: WvW is not considered to be a substantial part of our endgame, even though we told everyone it would be. Do you plan any more increased stat gear that’s only attainable through PvE again? This is the third month in which major content updates from Anet include absolutely nothing for WvW.

That sucks.

ANet, you have said that you want people to be able to play the game they want to play, and make that experience rewarding for them. Do you agree, that I have a right to be frustrated and disappointed?

I play WvW. I don’t want to endlessly farm scripted PvE content, and I won’t farm that to get gear. I feel that I am being completely left behind by you. There is no path to full tier gear through WvW. The reward system for participating in WvW is completely substandard to PvE.

— I can’t make gold at the same rate as you can in PvE
— I can’t acquire loot at the same rate you can in PvE.
— I can’t acquire the highest stat gear in WvW as you can in PvE
— I can’t acquire gear at all at the same rate you can in PvE

Why?

I’ve extremely frustrated right now, but still in love with the “hope” that ANet will refocus and see WvW as a substantial part of their endgame, and probably the thing that will keep players coming back long after the pve crowd have gone back to WoW.

Somewhere towards the end of the recent State of the Game Discussion, Jonathan Sharp mentions that in the upcoming monthly updates for January, February, and March will be “themed,” and one of the themes for either of those months will be World v World (and sPvP)!

Starting at 30:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hByqoWsnz-I

Close this sucker up. Answer posted!

VCR.9721:

Somewhere towards the end of the recent State of the Game Discussion, Jonathan Sharp mentions that in the upcoming monthly updates for January & February will be “themed,” and one of the themes for either of those months will be World v World!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hByqoWsnz-I

So let me get this straight…. out of six months, ONE of those months will be “WvW Themed?”

No, sorry… that does not answer my questions. Not in the slightest.

Probably just a timing issue because of the holiday season events.

A) Its not easy to change mechanics or add certain things into wvw

There already have been changes to WvW, namely:
1) Orbs were removed
2) Several siege locations near or in spawns have been blocked
3) champions always drop loot, meaning you get wvw loot from tower, keep, and castle lords
4) Loot drops have been significantly increased in wvw, as well as the chance to attain rarer items
5) For the halloween event they changed siege weaponry to spew out holiday appropriate effects, such as toilet paper cannonballs, flaming pumpkin siege rams, and pumpkin flinging trebuchets.
6) They changed server transfers to be once a day, primarly to tamp down on people abusing it in wvw
7) They changed server tranfers to one week, same reason

They are working on:
Culling issues

I’m also kinda confused as to what exactly the wvw community wants. They havent been ignoring wvw in the least, changing or adding maps takes a huge amount of time and resources. I mean they could tweak the scoring system to make pvd less worth it… but most PvPers want a stable system that works. Right now more or less wvw is pretty stable.

They need to fix culling more than silly holiday scavenger hunts.

Really the problem with wvw is it’s not very good because it’s still not yet ready for launch. The whole meta revolves around exploits and weaknesses.

Similarly, for the pvp side of the game, when you look up builds and strats and such, over half of it is from beta. People who were keen on it gave up and left because it’s STILL not ready for launch, even. Leaderboards, spectator mode, balanced classes with working skills…

It’s as if they feel since there’s no sub, there’s no reason to hurry. Well, I’m sorry, but the community watching for eSport possibility gave up already.

WvW, at least there’s no competition. But it is soo far down the worst aspect of the game, it’s a wonder people even bother.

PvE, pretty darn cool!

Draygo.9473:

I’m also kinda confused as to what exactly the wvw community wants. They havent been ignoring wvw in the least, changing or adding maps takes a huge amount of time and resources. I mean they could tweak the scoring system to make pvd less worth it… but most PvPers want a stable system that works. Right now more or less wvw is pretty stable.

There’s a clear answer to this question, which I thought I already gave.

I want WvW to be as viable of a way to (a) earn gold (b) acquire drops © get top level gear as PvE is….

…so that I could (if I choose) play only WvW at lvl 80 (if not before) and be at absolutely zero disadvantage from someone who only PvEs or only casually PvPs.

Pretty clear.

The upcoming December patch is going to be themed towards profession balance. At least one of the patches in the first three months of 2013 will be themed towards WvW and SPvP. They have been talking a lot about improving progression in WvW, as well as fixing culling, and improving situations where servers are heavily outmanned. I expect to see this stuff get addressed in that patch.
That isn’t to say one of the next 9 months of the year won’t also be themed as WvW.

I fear even if the patch comes as soon as Jan 2013 that most of the pvp/esport people gave up awhile ago.

I get the sense that ArenaNet has decided to cull their losses and concentrate on retaining PvE players, since that’s the biggest and closest to complete part of the game.

Gw2 was just picked up by a professional gaming league and a WvW update is confirmed in February.

Catrenna.4298:

Gw2 was just picked up by a professional gaming league and a WvW update is confirmed in February.

February?

Six months post release?

WvW will be dead by then and the people who would have been most interested in it will have moved on. Many already have.

Selwynn.2758:

Catrenna.4298:

Gw2 was just picked up by a professional gaming league and a WvW update is confirmed in February.

February?

Six months post release?

WvW will be dead by then and the people who would have been most interested in it will have moved on. Many already have.

Moved on to what? This is the only gig in town for WvW unless you want to go back to Daoc. I came for the WvW but realistically there isn’t any where else to go so you’ll have to wait like everyone else.

Selwynn.2758:

We have had three major content updates since release and not a single one of them including anything for World vs. World.

October: Mad King pve loot and events. How much did I participate in that? About one hour. Why? Because gosh darnit, I’m here toworld vs. world!

November: PVE loot, a new endless PvE dungeon for people to farm like insane lemmings, new gear with better stats only attainable through PvE while impacting WvW. Content, bonus, or player reward updates to WvW? None.

December: Winter’s Day. Over two weeks of even more PvE content to encourage everyone to further ignore WvW, delivering the message loud and clear: WvW is not considered to be a substantial part of our endgame, even though we told everyone it would be. Do you plan any more increased stat gear that’s only attainable through PvE again? This is the third month in which major content updates from Anet include absolutely nothing for WvW.

I play WvW. I don’t want to endlessly farm scripted PvE content, and I won’t farm that to get gear. I feel that I am being completely left behind by you. There is no path to full tier gear through WvW. The reward system for participating in WvW is completely substandard to PvE.

— I can’t make gold at the same rate as you can in PvE
— I can’t acquire loot at the same rate you can in PvE.
— I can’t acquire the highest stat gear in WvW as you can in PvE
— I can’t acquire gear at all at the same rate you can in PvE

Selwynn, sad to say, a game where most had expected to be a Pvp Focus game had obviously turn out to be a PvE Focus game.
Why? Cause they prioritised PvE first than PvP.
Updates/Patches do not lie
For all we know by February when they start taking a peep at WvW, those Dungeon Runners who had been grinding Fractals for stats, had already got their gears.
And we who bought the game mainly for WvW just start grinding for ascended like gears in WvW.

As for me i dont give a kitten already with Pvp in this game. Im playing my 2 other grindfest mmos for years already with great rewards without DR farming.
I’m rich over there. But sometimes we need a diversion from games that we love just to love them even more. For me the diversion here is…. GW2 NOW

Wholeheartedly agree and a bump. The short answer you’re looking for is – Planetside 2 lol

Many large-scale hardcore PVP guilds have already left and moved over for that, otherwise normally GW2 wouldn’t be having this problem this fast. It would have been the only game in town for a bit longer till february and the meta would have developed over time beyond portal bombing. I don’t think this is going to happen though from a combination of what the OP mentions + lack of support + culling issues in addition to Planetside.

Knowing ArenaNet they are gonna make getting Ascended gear in WvW a badge grind and essentially have servers agree to farm each other, gear everybody up and THEN play because hey that’s what PVP is about right? What about rewarding badges for stuff that actually win battles, i.e. upgrades, manning siege defense and staying there – not running off to “teh big battles”, and objective takes. Killing other players is only one portion of WvW, and make them automatically awarded not the bag of loot kitten.

Frankly, ArenaNet was LUCKY that Condemned and Titan Alliance were around to keep things as interesting as they did.

They should also consider supporting WvW more as the e-sport entrant for GW2. They need to follow the numbers and activity. The playerbase and community has been way more hardcore about WvW than sPVP plus it offers something unique that no other game does, and it’s something that an entire server can participate in regardless of being “pro” or not. It will be first sport, not just eSport where there is no distinction between a fan vs a pro as all are participants. This should be huge. However looking at ESO, it looks like they will be the ones to perfect this formula and capitalize on it. WvW was has been more inspiration than execution.

sPVP isn’t going to be the e-sport draw they’ve kept fantasising that it will be. Doesn’t have legs, the design is flawed to not support an enduring meta. It was catered towards action and console-gamer style play this time around which helps casual PVE-ers maintain interest in the game but essentially makes PVP this time around about as exciting and enduring as Mass Effect multiplayer

Because PvP is a side activity to PvE.

As someone else said, patches do not lie. If you are after an MMO designed for PvP this is not it.

nofo.8469:

Because PvP is a side activity to PvE.

As someone else said, patches do not lie. If you are after an MMO designed for PvP this is not it.

The PvE isn’t much better.

Eugenics.6953:

nofo.8469:

Because PvP is a side activity to PvE.

As someone else said, patches do not lie. If you are after an MMO designed for PvP this is not it.

The PvE isn’t much better.

Never said it was, just saying this isn’t designed to be a PvP game.

Selwynn.2758:

Draygo.9473:

I’m also kinda confused as to what exactly the wvw community wants. They havent been ignoring wvw in the least, changing or adding maps takes a huge amount of time and resources. I mean they could tweak the scoring system to make pvd less worth it… but most PvPers want a stable system that works. Right now more or less wvw is pretty stable.

There’s a clear answer to this question, which I thought I already gave.

I want WvW to be as viable of a way to (a) earn gold (b) acquire drops © get top level gear as PvE is….

…so that I could (if I choose) play only WvW at lvl 80 (if not before) and be at absolutely zero disadvantage from someone who only PvEs or only casually PvPs.

Pretty clear.

I’ve had rare drops in WvW and I’ve earned money there. The loot is pretty much samish no matter what you do, so if you WvW a lot you should be able to afford exotics.

Selwynn.2758:

Catrenna.4298:

Gw2 was just picked up by a professional gaming league and a WvW update is confirmed in February.

February?

Six months post release?

WvW will be dead by then and the people who would have been most interested in it will have moved on. Many already have.

How much content do you want them to make exactly? It takes time to make content, especially as huge as WvW maps, then there’s time to test it and only then is it released, to make sure that it has no bug. What other game out there does major monthly updates? How long would you be waiting for a DLC or an expansion in a normal game? You’re getting free stuff and complaining that it’s not the free stuff that you want? What the duckling?!

psyt.9415:

Moved on to what? This is the only gig in town for WvW unless you want to go back to Daoc. I came for the WvW but realistically there isn’t any where else to go so you’ll have to wait like everyone else.

Planetside 2

Far better fix for massive scale combat than WvW.

^ but still has culling issues :v

anet confirmed that they will make ascended armor availible in wvw. So thats one of your 4 concerns. And as I stated they upped the drop rate and the rarity chances in WvW, and will probably continue to adjust it.

Also considering WvW is very random in how often a particular player will kill things, its very hard to balance things like gold gain

In a 1 hour window ive made 4 gold in wvw before. Also I strongly object to ANET making it so WvW is better or equal to PvE as far as attaining gold. If that happens you will have an influx of players in it for the gold instead of helping your server win and that will be a very bad thing. Right now you earn a decent amount of money, and yes it can be slightly increased.

There are instances right now where you can aquire gear and loot at faster rates in wvw than pve, but those instances require a persistant enemy to kill, something that anet cannot control.

Also there is a longer list of things that must be fixed in PvE than in Spvp or WvW.

I think the OP needs to be a bit more patient.

There is an update coming for WvW and they already said that ascended gear is coming to WvW as well.

I’ve played various MMOs, some of which didn’t even get an update in the first 6 months beyond some fixes and tweaks.

You want WvW to be a sort of standalone game, which is funny because as soon as WvW does what you want, people don’t need to level in PvE anymore at all.

I mentioned it before but what you want would be the next step to making the persistent world completely unnecessary. I still think they could’ve kept the instanced world as in GW1 because obviously they are making sure people don’t want to be there anymore.

So yes I am convinced WvW will get a lot of love in that update early next year.

planetside 2 at launch is doing wvwvw better than gw2 by a lot

GW2 should continue its track. I <3 spvp, but the community’s already gave up a while ago waitin for it to be ready. Wvw just sucks here. There’s more pve interest, and it’s increasingly leaning that way.

TBH I don’t think we will see any major updates, and fixes until after Wintersday. The time GW2 came out we had 2 major events, Halloween, and the Karka event, now Wintersday is around the corner. So that will be the main focus for now. So since the game came out we had all these events going on. So hopefully things change after the Wintersday event.

Selwynn.2758:

Catrenna.4298:

Gw2 was just picked up by a professional gaming league and a WvW update is confirmed in February.

February?

Six months post release?

WvW will be dead by then and the people who would have been most interested in it will have moved on. Many already have.

Probably because WvW was one of the few things that was actually working from the start. Both Spvp and and (endgame) PvE where extremly lacking content.

As I said, WvW is working as is. Anets priorities are right on this one, and I’m primarily playing WvW.

You can level and gear entirely in WvW if you want to (barring ascended, which is going to be fixed eventually). Sure it takes more time to do it that way, but it will always be more efficent to play the entire game than to focus on one part of it. I pretty much purchased all my exo gear through playing WvW, it just takes time. But I didnt notice that time because I had a blast doing it.

Apathy.6430:

psyt.9415:

Moved on to what? This is the only gig in town for WvW unless you want to go back to Daoc. I came for the WvW but realistically there isn’t any where else to go so you’ll have to wait like everyone else.

Planetside 2

Far better fix for massive scale combat than WvW.

It’s FPS game and crappy one compared unreal tournament or CS 1.6

Junkpile.7439:

It’s FPS game and crappy one compared unreal tournament or CS 1.6

Last I checked Unreal Tournament and Counterstrike weren’t massive scale battles.

Apathy.6430:

psyt.9415:

Moved on to what? This is the only gig in town for WvW unless you want to go back to Daoc. I came for the WvW but realistically there isn’t any where else to go so you’ll have to wait like everyone else.

Planetside 2

Far better fix for massive scale combat than WvW.

Not really the same thing. It’s a sci-fi fps. I don’t particularly enjoy Planet Side 2 that much either from what I have played of it. I think GW2 is safe till the Elder Scrolls MMO at this point for fantasy non fps WvW just because its the only gig in town besides Warhammer or Daoc (no one plays these anymore) that offers the type of game play I am referring to.

How would you add content to wvw without decreasing the focus in & population in existing areas?

Esturk.2183:

Probably just a timing issue because of the holiday season events.

For a subscription MMO you woulda been waiting 6 months for a lot less when it came to October, November, December updates :P Let alone some more in jan and feb…..

The players who have left the game because of WvW will probably come back once the updates are in force. They aren’t paying anything to play it so why wouldn’t they come back..?

Totally agree, more than 7 days = no rare item. Pve 1 hour = 2 rare ::S:S:S::S:S:S:
WvW seems like a mini game right now, or just a break of pve :S

The OP is spot on. No patch update speaks far more than words. I understand there will be a decent update in Q1 but why can’t ANet address the loot tables so playing WvW is commensurate in rewards to PvE now?

Casual WvWers that used to supplement Hardcore players now spend all their time in Fractals or PvE as its just far more rewarding.

Very disappointed

I think a lot of people who WvW the majority of the time come from games like DAoC, Darkfall, PotBS, EVE, or any game involving massive open PvP/RvR. These kind of players are use to having their style of play in the their games of choice reward them equally when compared to other activities in those games.

Then comes along GW2 with a WvW system that brings back so many good memories akin to DAoC. I think the hard feelings about the current state of WvW comes from both parties: The players for having to high of expectations for the WvW portion of the game and ANet for failing to fully implement a system that rewards the WvW focused population.

I truly hope WvW in GW2 becomes something like RvR in Dark Age, I really do. If ANet continues to focus on things like fractals and dungeons and leaves the WvW focused players in the dust, well ANet will be their own ‘Trials of Atlantis’ to those players.

post scriptum,
google Trials of Atlantis if you don’t know what it is

Shinigami.5932:

How would you add content to wvw without decreasing the focus in & population in existing areas?

I was thinking introducing different map layouts, instead of the way it is now with 3 of them being the same would help spice things up. Instead of having a copy representing each server they could just start them all start neutral npc held, then what ever server goes in to cap it owns it after that. I think that having only 1 copied 3 times is a bit boring.

looking at more guild pride type things as well like a public trackable page of keep caps and kills and other stats per guild with a world ranking like the Camelot Herald from Daoc would help to give progression and competition goals with out actually introducing any grind. Guild crests on capes and shields or guild colors on armor etc. to increase guild pride and participation in WvW.

Do you know what is the most sad things?
That this post is being ignored by Devs.
If you had opened this post on Dungeon Section probably now you will have you answer by DEvs.
But seems they are not interested in hear WvW players. We are decisely “2nd league customers”

Look at the 2 pages:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons

See any differences?

Selwynn.2758:

I’ve extremely frustrated right now, but still in love with the “hope” that ANet will refocus and see WvW as a substantial part of their endgame, and probably the thing that will keep players coming back long after the pve crowd have gone back to WoW.

I second this, a lot of players are frustrated over this, our guild have lost probably about 60% of it’s players because of this.

The main issue is that these people don’t usually talk about it. They simply leave because they have given up hoping on a proper world vs world endgame.

Not all of us want more pve content. Create a real world pvp system and you will have players for decades. Those of us who do mainly wvw don’t need new pve content, we don’t need new armor sets etc. We come for the pvp.

Look at UO / DaoC and other games where the pvp is real and awesome. It doesn’t matter that it’s a10+ year old game for people to play it if the pvp system is awesome.

Some of us came to gw2 for the world vs world and nothing else. If you want us to stay, you need to focus on wvw a bit aswell, it’s so flawed atm. A lot of us are loosing intresst and will probably leave soon.

A-net, please do realise that this is a very substantial part of your player base that you are neglecting. This is a player base that could very well become the very core of the game if you execute a proper world pvp mechanic. You got a responsibility for us aswell, not only the pve part of the game.

Sansarah.3076:

A-net, please do realise that this is a very substantial part of your player base that you are neglecting. This is a player base that could very well become the very core of the game if you execute a proper world pvp mechanic. You got a responsibility for us aswell, not only the pve part of the game.

PvE part of the game bring more Gems than WvW, is the truth.
A this point i’d prefer the monthly bill…..

DaYeL.1495:

Sansarah.3076:

A-net, please do realise that this is a very substantial part of your player base that you are neglecting. This is a player base that could very well become the very core of the game if you execute a proper world pvp mechanic. You got a responsibility for us aswell, not only the pve part of the game.

PvE part of the game bring more Gems than WvW, is the truth.
A this point i’d prefer the monthly bill…..

Ofcourse, but thats because the gems don’t offer anything for wvw.

Give us the option to speak to eachother across servers by buying gems, show off our title/name/dye colors/rank by buying stuff from the gem store and so on. I promise you, simply because we are wvw players, doesn’t mean we won’t use the gem store if they actually offered something for us.

Or simply the very easy fact of letting us duel eachother by activating something in the gemstore! :P

DaYeL.1495:

Sansarah.3076:

A-net, please do realise that this is a very substantial part of your player base that you are neglecting. This is a player base that could very well become the very core of the game if you execute a proper world pvp mechanic. You got a responsibility for us aswell, not only the pve part of the game.

PvE part of the game bring more Gems than WvW, is the truth.
A this point i’d prefer the monthly bill…..

True. Sometimes I wonder just how much of our demands aren’t met just due to the fact that this game doesn’t bring in monthly sub revenue. Where do they draw the line with updates if the cash shop isn’t bringing in that much money either I wonder.

DaYeL.1495:

Do you know what is the most sad things?
That this post is being ignored by Devs.
If you had opened this post on Dungeon Section probably now you will have you answer by DEvs.
But seems they are not interested in hear WvW players. We are decisely “2nd league customers”

Look at the 2 pages:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons

See any differences?

Considering the amount of people they have working on class balance etc I guess there’s maybe 1 person looking at WvW before this Feb patch.

If someone from ANet would give some more news it would be great. Something similar to what Square-Enix is doing with the FFXIV relaunch. Gives us information on what you’re planning, give us updates. Simply mentioning that you’ll have a look at WvW in 2 months after the last “great” class patch isn’t really helping.

But we bought the game and aren’t paying subscriptions so I guess they’re in no rush.

psyt.9415:

True. Sometimes I wonder just how much of our demands aren’t met just due to the fact that this game doesn’t bring in monthly sub revenue. Where do they draw the line with updates if the cash shop isn’t bringing in that much money either I wonder.

Oh but the Gem Store is going very well, look at the gem prices changes. Is all subordinated to the exchanges so a lot of people buys golds with gems or other things.

But WvW, how someone said, not have interest in buyng gem, we dont need nothing in the gem store (luckly i say, or we will be here with super buff or super potion who instakill ppl) so they are notn interested in hear us, we dont pay the bills atm. They are focusing on PVE stuf who bring a lot of money with ONE-Time events gem store items who sell very well.
Is so sad.

This thread was hard to read, yet I always come back to this forum.

The patch notes tell nothing, except that WvW came with far less bugs than any other part of the game. All of September was bug fixing. October was bug fixing and Holloween. November was a large content patch. December will once again be a holiday.

I fail to see how WvW is getting left out. It is simply the timing of things. WvW had Holloween decorations, which is about all you can do for it on a holiday.

They will be doing things for WvW next Quarter. Until then, nothing will change. Any fan of RvR can’t leave for good, since WvW is the only game they can play. As soon as an update happens, they’ll be back to try it out.

And everyone should go ahead and accept the fact that WvW will never receive as many as updates as PvE. It isn’t because Anet doesn’t care about it, which is ignorance talking. It is simply because WvW has very very little room upon which to expand. Anet can take PvE in a million different directions, but WvW will always be WvW.

Gisei.5749:

I fail to see how WvW is getting left out. It is simply the timing of things. WvW had Holloween decorations, which is about all you can do for it on a holiday.

Any fan of RvR can’t leave for good, since WvW is the only game they can play. As soon as an update happens, they’ll be back to try it out.

1) You call that kitten an update? Lulz we have differents view about upfate bro

2) Is not true Planeside is behind the turn, and a lot of guilds had already moved up. You can see it in the queue times in the most populated server in WvW.

Anet must be fast if they dont want remain only with PvE population so this game can become an official WvW Clone #054.

DaYeL.1495:

1) You call that kitten an update? Lulz we have differents view about upfate bro

2) Is not true Planeside is behind the turn, and a lot of guilds had already moved up. You can see it in the queue times in the most populated server in WvW.

Anet must be fast if they dont want remain only with PvE population so this game can become an official WvW Clone #054.

1) I’m thinking you missed the point of my holiday point.

2) And yeah, fans of fantasy RvR are just raring to play Planetside.

tell me which % of the WvW population is RvR fan and which % of WvW population is a RvR fantasy ONLY fan?
If i play in a game with swords and spear is not sure i hate guns or tanks eh… =P

I never said fantasy ONLY fan, just fantasy fan. Being a fan of fantasy does not exclude one from being a fan of Sci-fi.

My point is that Planetside cannot replace WvW. They are too different. Anyone who likes WvW, or wants to like it, will come back to see if their expectations have been fulfilled. Especially without a sub as a barrier.