Guild Wars 2

With the upcoming PvP patch it’s revealed that by playing PvP and trading in currency earned there you can slowly gear to ascended. That’s right, the game mode where you don’t need ascended stats get’s this option before WvW where you may run around with multiple armour sets. This better become an available option in WvW soon, I already am playing less and less Anet. Please give me more long term goals.

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Yeah what a joke, but not surprising unfortunately.
We do get ascended drops in wvw, but the drop rate is so low, and filled with more rng on which you get.

I did get laugh at this as well.

And the notion that they’re now all of a sudden serious about skilled gameplay in this game-state lol.

Seems like they just don’t want to admit the PvP formats are actually dead and are trying to do literally everything they can to get PvE players involved in them (a la Gift of Battle) to veil the fact they’ve killed their competitive modes in half of one expansion.

Bring your ascended gear pvpers, my exotic geared minion master will eat you in wvw. MUAHAHHAH

Seriously anet, that’s lame. Treat wvwers better.

This is too funny, i cant even laugh its so funny.

Once they removed the map complete for WvW POIs, vistas, and jump puzzles, and removed siege in Obsidian Sanctum it was dead.

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

I’m sure they will add ascended rewards for wvw.

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#? anet dont care wvw

Swagger.1459:

I’m sure they will add ascended rewards for wvw.

I guess it was too much to ask to add it properly to the game mode that actually shares it’s gear with the other game mode it’s made for. They just decided to add it to spvp which has no need for it, but we all well know they’re just using it to lure players into spvp, I guess it was too much to ask to even add it to wvw for that reason too.

I mean gee golly not like wvw has been using it’s own currency which could have be used for ascended gear for 4 years now, or hey the new one they added with hot.

But yeah added eventually, they keep treating wvw like an afterthought, can already see a whole lot less players participating in these forums, and a whole lot have already left wvw.

Nope Anet, i have better skill/reflex base game to play arround pvp, bringging ascended gear as reward wont make me play your “very gimmick” build to win game.

Besides gw2 pvp is arround find power creep gap build, with gimmick rotation and learn 2 play arround that… still fuggly as hell to observe and unskilled gameplay, and with the pve class aoe/cleave spam deisgn on pvp.. even worse.

Hilarious…

The game mode that prides itself on using ‘balanced’ stats not using your personal gear, will award you Ascended armor and weapons…
WvW left behind again in making changes to try and improve it’s gameplay and possibly get more people to play it.

Let’s hope they will add Ascended aquisition to WvW currencies soon, because this change is actually laughable if they don’t.

Pvp is a joke failing balance even with amulet limitations.

well pokemon go is apparently going to have second generation soon

Designing rewards for wvw is more compicated, since you don’t want to promote switching to winning servers. But they are really taking their time now.

JemL.3501:

well pokemon go is apparently going to have second generation soon

To be honest they should improve balance and streamline gear/food before adding rewards. Matchmaking will always be crappy since the number of active players fluctuates too much. It’s the same as in pokemon go. They want to have more returning players by introducing gen2, while their game is still crap. This won’t work.

They already have it with the reward tracks.

Well in theory at least. 5 runs of the bitterfrost path get you berries for an ascended armor piece if I read the rewards right. Thats probably a weeks job for someone farming EB/EoTM WvW. Dont know if it gives enough of the unbound magickitten currency though.

But still… You can get it. Is that not a longterm goal?

What good is ascended gear to a toon that’s been at level 2 for 3 years? I don’t get the logic. You can’t level up in PvP or earn elites so why the gear?

Hopefully this means playing PvP might also level your character or Elite, hopefully.

This is ridiculous. In my case I do not play Pve, only WvW game for more than 1 year, until today I do not have full set of ascendent due to low drop in WvW. Now put it in PvP where you do not need stats. It’s a joke

Dawdler.8521:

They already have it with the reward tracks.

Well in theory at least. 5 runs of the bitterfrost path get you berries for an ascended armor piece if I read the rewards right. Thats probably a weeks job for someone farming EB/EoTM WvW. Dont know if it gives enough of the unbound magickitten currency though.

But still… You can get it. Is that not a longterm goal?

They do not already have it with the reward tracks. Pvp – getting a new currency for the purchase of ascended weapons and an ascended armor set. WvW – some winterberries from a reward track to purchase what? A backpack and two rings. Not sure how you think that equates, but it doesn’t.

Zez.9018:

Dawdler.8521:

They already have it with the reward tracks.

Well in theory at least. 5 runs of the bitterfrost path get you berries for an ascended armor piece if I read the rewards right. Thats probably a weeks job for someone farming EB/EoTM WvW. Dont know if it gives enough of the unbound magickitten currency though.

But still… You can get it. Is that not a longterm goal?

They do not already have it with the reward tracks. Pvp – getting a new currency for the purchase of ascended weapons and an ascended armor set. WvW – some winterberries from a reward track to purchase what? A backpack and two rings. Not sure how you think that equates, but it doesn’t.

Oh right, I confused that breather for an actual helmet, ie an ascended armor piece, sorry. My bad. Hey I said it was in theory :p

Really would’ve preferred a system in place for WvW in terms of ascended gear acquisition. Really would’ve made sense.

I can only hope WvW gets the same treatment, heck, even make Badges of Honour + Memories of Battle applicable as currency for ascended gear.

Please, ANet.

Crapgame.6519:

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

Kind of like how Blade and Soul couldn’t come soon enough? Or Black Desert? Or Wildstar? Or ESO?

Warcry.1596:

Crapgame.6519:

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

Kind of like how Blade and Soul couldn’t come soon enough? Or Black Desert? Or Wildstar? Or ESO?

True – although none of those titles created the WvW format of play. DaOC did.

Doesn’t mean it won’t have its own problems by any means. But it does mean the game is actually designed around PvP out of the gate. Not an after thought.

Warcry.1596:

Crapgame.6519:

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

Kind of like how Blade and Soul couldn’t come soon enough? Or Black Desert? Or Wildstar? Or ESO?

MMO specialist, DocGotGame is recommending Archeage’s new 3.0 fresh start for PvP, though it’s not WvW/RvR.
… but all WvW fans are watching Crowfall and Camelot Unchained.

I’m amazed how poorly WvW has been treated, considering that it’s easily the best aspect of GW2. What will GW2 be remembered for? Raids? Fracdulls? Living Story? I think not. It’ll be remembered (fondly, despite Anet’s neglect and our disappointment) for WvW.

I feel like I just typed an obituary.

sephiroth.4217:

What good is ascended gear to a toon that’s been at level 2 for 3 years? I don’t get the logic. You can’t level up in PvP or earn elites so why the gear?

Hopefully this means playing PvP might also level your character or Elite, hopefully.

That why they get tomes of knowledge thrown at them from the reward tracks, elites you need to buy the expansion.

Warcry.1596:

Crapgame.6519:

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

Kind of like how Blade and Soul couldn’t come soon enough? Or Black Desert? Or Wildstar? Or ESO?

Those games might not have outright replaced wvw for the masses, but it did grab players, it’s not like gw2 is holding on to players despite those games failing. Not all players are not going to sit around in gw2 forever until they find a replacement if it keeps getting treated badly, especially since it’s become a lot less fun since the expansion.

WvW Lives Matter….when can we start rioting

Camelot Unchained: 2005 game play hopefully by 2018. Get ready for non-action based combat focused around skill rotations.

Crowfall: Has potential with big names behind it. However, it is a startup and could easily fall flat when it comes out… if it comes out.

Gwaihir.1745:

Pvp is a joke failing balance even with amulet limitations.

Is pvp in that bad of a state? I never really go in there and just hear it sucks in map/pve chat lol

Straegen.2938:

Camelot Unchained: 2005 game play hopefully by 2018. Get ready for non-action based combat focused around skill rotations.

Also being built by the same guy who built DAOC, which wvw was modeled off of.

Subscription will hold back it’s numbers though, as most games in this era are going free to play, even the ones that went with subs the last few years had to convert after release to stay afloat.

P.S GW2 combat isn’t exactly in a good place either as it was at release.

Agreed on the subscription. CU has already stated it will have one.

That being said you have to pay for infrastructure and bandwidth somehow. If the game is any good subscriptions will work. Yes, GW2 is somewhat F2P but there is the gem store among other things. For a game that was sort of sold has a gateless system there sure do seem to be lots of them.

I’d wager here and now most of the past, present, and future WvW gamers will give CU an honest try by at least buying the download or box and a month or two of change. After that it is up to the overall fun factor and quality…

WvW in this game is clearly a bust based on the current history, patches, and lack of new anything…

Crapgame.6519:

If the game is any good subscriptions will work

No, it really wont. This has been the argument for every subscription game since WoW. CU with subscriptions is dead on arrival. I expect it to last maybe 6 months before imploding due to low population. I just looked up gameplay footage on youtube, yep, still nothing substantial (also, still womit inducing animations).

Svarty.8019:

Warcry.1596:

Crapgame.6519:

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

Kind of like how Blade and Soul couldn’t come soon enough? Or Black Desert? Or Wildstar? Or ESO?

MMO specialist, DocGotGame is recommending Archeage’s new 3.0 fresh start for PvP, though it’s not WvW/RvR.
… but all WvW fans are watching Crowfall and Camelot Unchained.

I’m amazed how poorly WvW has been treated, considering that it’s easily the best aspect of GW2. What will GW2 be remembered for? Raids? Fracdulls? Living Story? I think not. It’ll be remembered (fondly, despite Anet’s neglect and our disappointment) for WvW.

I feel like I just typed an obituary.

“All” fans you say? I’m a fan of WvW and I hadn’t heard of Camelot Unchained until this thread.

it is a great thing for people like me who do for the great part pvp but sometimes want to do some pve .

How long does it take?

Should obviously make it purchasable by heroics as a thing.

I’d probably still craft stuff if I have the profession but I’d like this for weapons or stats I can’t craft yet. I’m just bad at that part of a game, learning a new profession gives me homework stress.

Dawdler.8521:

Crapgame.6519:

If the game is any good subscriptions will work

No, it really wont. This has been the argument for every subscription game since WoW. CU with subscriptions is dead on arrival. I expect it to last maybe 6 months before imploding due to low population. I just looked up gameplay footage on youtube, yep, still nothing substantial (also, still womit inducing animations).

The two ton heavy thing you mentioned still has over 5 million active subscribers and peaked over 12. Still going strong and latest content many are happy with including those who enjoy open world pvp. If it is good people will pay. Look at how much people are paying for water or a cup of coffee. And starbucks is talking about a 10 dollar coffee…go figure.

Not saying you or anyone don’t have a valid point but it will work if the game is any good. We will just have to wait and see. Our issue here is zero competition in this format of play and a publishers perceived lack of interested to invest.

Crapgame.6519:

Dawdler.8521:

Crapgame.6519:

If the game is any good subscriptions will work

No, it really wont. This has been the argument for every subscription game since WoW. CU with subscriptions is dead on arrival. I expect it to last maybe 6 months before imploding due to low population. I just looked up gameplay footage on youtube, yep, still nothing substantial (also, still womit inducing animations).

The two ton heavy thing you mentioned still has over 5 million active subscribers and peaked over 12. Still going strong and latest content many are happy with including those who enjoy open world pvp. If it is good people will pay. Look at how much people are paying for water or a cup of coffee. And starbucks is talking about a 10 dollar coffee…go figure.

Not saying you or anyone don’t have a valid point but it will work if the game is any good. We will just have to wait and see. Our issue here is zero competition in this format of play and a publishers perceived lack of interested to invest.

Wow is free to play now as well if you want it to be so yeah that’s a thing…..

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Crapgame.6519:

Dawdler.8521:

Crapgame.6519:

If the game is any good subscriptions will work

No, it really wont. This has been the argument for every subscription game since WoW. CU with subscriptions is dead on arrival. I expect it to last maybe 6 months before imploding due to low population. I just looked up gameplay footage on youtube, yep, still nothing substantial (also, still womit inducing animations).

The two ton heavy thing you mentioned still has over 5 million active subscribers and peaked over 12. Still going strong and latest content many are happy with including those who enjoy open world pvp. If it is good people will pay. Look at how much people are paying for water or a cup of coffee. And starbucks is talking about a 10 dollar coffee…go figure.

Not saying you or anyone don’t have a valid point but it will work if the game is any good. We will just have to wait and see. Our issue here is zero competition in this format of play and a publishers perceived lack of interested to invest.

Wow is free to play now as well if you want it to be so yeah that’s a thing…..

There is a conversion now, yeah. I was just saying how strong it was with a subscription and the number of players. Not to mention the trash accounts used for spam.

People are buying gems in this game to dress up. Others for space, and others for keys. Someone has to pay…the question is is it cheaper for a monthly sub if you get what you pay for or pay for your pretty dress?

And yes, I’m aware you can transfer currencies. But we all know how time consuming it is in GW2 to farm legit and not use third party programs.

Xenesis.6389:

sephiroth.4217:

What good is ascended gear to a toon that’s been at level 2 for 3 years? I don’t get the logic. You can’t level up in PvP or earn elites so why the gear?

Hopefully this means playing PvP might also level your character or Elite, hopefully.

That why they get tomes of knowledge thrown at them from the reward tracks, elites you need to buy the expansion.

Warcry.1596:

Crapgame.6519:

PvE crowd won this game once ascended was even introduced. Camelot Unchained can’t come soon enough.

Kind of like how Blade and Soul couldn’t come soon enough? Or Black Desert? Or Wildstar? Or ESO?

Those games might not have outright replaced wvw for the masses, but it did grab players, it’s not like gw2 is holding on to players despite those games failing. Not all players are not going to sit around in gw2 forever until they find a replacement if it keeps getting treated badly, especially since it’s become a lot less fun since the expansion.

I have the expansion, doesn’t change the fact you can’t earn Elites in HoT and having a vanilla build in WvW is subpar.

Again, where is the logic?

A new low has been set…. again. Pathetic.

sephiroth.4217:

I have the expansion, doesn’t change the fact you can’t earn Elites in HoT and having a vanilla build in WvW is subpar.

Again, where is the logic?

There’s only one way to get the elite specs, buy the expansion, it’s obviously the biggest hook to get non expansion accounts to upgrade. Not everything can be handed out for free.

I don’t agree with mixing the obviously more powerful elite specs with vanilla specs in the same competitive play grounds, but that’s the way they built the game, without things like “additional levels” to make it separate like every other game does it, that’s what happens when you have to stick everyone in the 80’s bracket to play. It’s up to Anet to balance those specs, which they won’t because of the hook needed to get players to upgrade.

Same goes with auto looting, that should have been a free quality of life change not something held behind the expansion and mastery, not to mention the fact that we had to scream at them to give it to us in wvw.

As for CU, yeah subs will hold it back, but make it bomb in 6 months? I’m not so sure. One thing to keep in mind is that game is built for RvR front to back, there’s no separate pve area, no spvp area, the devs will only be working on RvR, you won’t have to worry about being the red haired step child starving for attention for 4 years from the pve mother. Also the game is like at least another year out, I wouldn’t worry about animations and graphics right now as they’re still building the base systems, it’s still in alpha at this point.

Xenesis.6389:

As for CU, yeah subs will hold it back, but make it bomb in 6 months? I’m not so sure. One thing to keep in mind is that game is built for RvR front to back, there’s no separate pve area, no spvp area, the devs will only be working on RvR, you won’t have to worry about being the red haired step child starving for attention for 4 years from the pve mother. Also the game is like at least another year out, I wouldn’t worry about animations and graphics right now as they’re still building the base systems, it’s still in alpha at this point.

One more tidbit to support what Xenesis noted on with regards to devs and RvR. Jacobs knows he made a mistake with the introduction of the Trials of Atlantis expansion pack. In fact, the mistake was so big it destroyed the game. Being the primary designer he knows what happens first hand when introducing a new format of play when it wasn’t designed at the start. In other words ToA expansion introduced master levels and PvE content that impacted RvR / PvP.

Master levels, weapons and artifacts soon became an issue of those who had vs those who had not. Now, it did have some pve to quest, level, and of course raid level bosses but it was just a means to an end and materials for crafting…

So, does this mean it is a sure fire win? No, hardly. Just saying that he knows what happens when you mix game play modes. Balance is very difficult to do and very few, if any, publishers have gotten it right.

Midgard, Igraine (Thane, Pac Healer, Spiritmaster (suppression), Shadowblade, and of course Hunter ML10, and some realm rank I forget…).

Edit: For fun, proud member of Lurikeen Uprising!

Crapgame.6519:

In other words ToA expansion introduced master levels and PvE content that impacted RvR / PvP.

Master levels, weapons and artifacts soon became an issue of those who had vs those who had not.

Which pretty much has been repeated in gw2 with the release of elite specs and stat combinations only available through hot pve. XD

Xenesis.6389:

sephiroth.4217:

I have the expansion

There’s only one way to get the elite specs, buy the expansion

Round and round we go because you respond before reading.

sephiroth.4217:

Xenesis.6389:

sephiroth.4217:

I have the expansion

There’s only one way to get the elite specs, buy the expansion

Round and round we go because you respond before reading.

You can already level in pvp with tomes of knowledge, your character doesn’t have to be level 2 for 3 years. Elites you already get unlocked in spvp, the other game modes have to earn the hero points to even unlock them. Already getting levels and now gear handed to you, you want to unlock everything for a character in the game mode which doesn’t need none of it? Why not ask for mastery points too.

Dawdler.8521:

Crapgame.6519:

If the game is any good subscriptions will work

No, it really wont. This has been the argument for every subscription game since WoW. CU with subscriptions is dead on arrival. I expect it to last maybe 6 months before imploding due to low population. I just looked up gameplay footage on youtube, yep, still nothing substantial (also, still womit inducing animations).

WoW still has a subscription model and makes tons of money with kitten from their store. So, CU will be able to force a subscription on players when the game is worth playing.
If you can’t afford 12,99 per month for a subscription, you shouldn’t play.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Wow is free to play now as well if you want it to be so yeah that’s a thing…..

It isn’t free. Even if you have enough gold to pay for month someone pays 20$ for your sub because that person bought your gold.
It’s not free for everyone, it’s free for a minority. On EU a token costs about 90k gold. So even the rich guys will not play for free forever.

shagwell.1349:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Wow is free to play now as well if you want it to be so yeah that’s a thing…..

It isn’t free. Even if you have enough gold to pay for month someone pays 20$ for your sub because that person bought your gold.
It’s not free for everyone, it’s free for a minority. On EU a token costs about 90k gold. So even the rich guys will not play for free forever.

Not much different with the gem system, players buy enough gems with real money to keep the game running, which covers for the players playing for free. There are players who spend hundreds and in some cases thousands a month which covers quite a few free players.

The only difference is with wow you have to actively keep up your gold farming in order to continue getting tokens, but gold really isn’t that hard to make and you can store up to 10 tokens.

Hilarious … and sad, Anet.

shagwell.1349:

Dawdler.8521:

Crapgame.6519:

If the game is any good subscriptions will work

No, it really wont. This has been the argument for every subscription game since WoW. CU with subscriptions is dead on arrival. I expect it to last maybe 6 months before imploding due to low population. I just looked up gameplay footage on youtube, yep, still nothing substantial (also, still womit inducing animations).

WoW still has a subscription model and makes tons of money with kitten from their store. So, CU will be able to force a subscription on players when the game is worth playing.
If you can’t afford 12,99 per month for a subscription, you shouldn’t play.

You know, I said since WoW. I’m not an idiot, I know what WoW is. Its the very reason why the subscription area is saturated. Yeah, 12.99 isnt much. and then you got 11.99 for Game Y too. And 10.99 for Game X, thats cheaper! Oh and Game Z has 19.99 DLCs every 3 months you got to have.

When you are paying 100+ a month for games that force you to play them to get your moneys worth… you really dont want to pay anything anymore. Especially not when F2P competetive games and B2P games like GW2 came along. Subscription games collapsed in the West, with the exception of a few very old behemoths.

I stand by my belief that CU is doomed to failure as long as they keep subscriptions. The only way I can see them get around it is by using a very small token figure thats so tempting not even naysayers can deny trying it for an extended time, say 3 bucks a month or something.

But I suppose we are are drifting really bad now. What where we talking about? Oh right.

sPvP, booooo!!!

Dawdler.8521:

They already have it with the reward tracks.

Well in theory at least. 5 runs of the bitterfrost path get you berries for an ascended armor piece if I read the rewards right. Thats probably a weeks job for someone farming EB/EoTM WvW. Dont know if it gives enough of the unbound magickitten currency though.

But still… You can get it. Is that not a longterm goal?

What path? Oh the new one. Is it already unlocked or do you have to complete some mind numbingly NPC talk heavy pve in order to unlock it, then spend forever to get to the end of one run of the path?

There should have been a way of getting Ascended in wvw as soon as ascended came out, same with Legendary stuff, but wvw is so far down their list I’m sure they no longer even consider it in 99.9% of their decisions.