Guild Wars 2

moiraine.2753:

PvP is not meant to be equal.If someone doesn’t like what is happening to him(ganking,farming) must stop doing the puzzle and go do it when there are less people.When you are PvP enabled there is no such thing as etiquette.Everything can happen to you.’’Reasonable’’?WTF are you talking about.PvP is never reasonable neither fair.It’s kill or be killed.Nothing more nothing less

There’s competition and there’s “just being a jerk”. If you don’t think etiquette and respecting other players matters, go into the Arena and start messing up other people’s duels or GvG. See how they react to you. (And remember that even ANet reprimanded their own staff member when he complained that GvG’ers were “ruining his game mode” and started kicking them out.)

If your retort is that people in the Arena are obviously there for duelling/GvG and not for open PvP, then how is that different from the players who are just there to complete the JP for their achievement? They are here for a completely different experience to what you want to enforce on them. Attacking them or shoving them off cliffs when they are non-hostile to you is like those guys who keep blasting skill #1 on the Horn in your ear when you’re at the Bank or BLTC, or who just keep spamming your chat window with /surprised emotes. You just want to annoy other players.

Ultimately though, I think the fault lies with ANet for not including a solution that lets people who just want to do the JP for the achievement get through without any trouble from other players. They should have put an NPC at the start of the JP that gives you the Determined buff so you’re completely invulnerable to other players, but also disables all your skills.

Zaxares.5419:

Ultimately though, I think the fault lies with ANet for not including a solution that lets people who just want to do the JP for the achievement get through without any trouble from other players. They should have put an NPC at the start of the JP that gives you the Determined buff so you’re completely invulnerable to other players, but also disables all your skills.

Or even simply letting one get an infinite stealth buff without the movement speed decrease. They put in those nice mystic wells, but you have to first reach them and they slow you down. Plus you still have to drop it to get through the dark phase and up the arena area.

You can complete the dark room portion without dropping stealth if you turn up your brightness to maximum.

If anet dont want pvp at obsi why they not turn it off? Thats a pvp zone from the begining to the end.

Zaxares.5419:

moiraine.2753:

PvP is not meant to be equal.If someone doesn’t like what is happening to him(ganking,farming) must stop doing the puzzle and go do it when there are less people.When you are PvP enabled there is no such thing as etiquette.Everything can happen to you.’’Reasonable’’?WTF are you talking about.PvP is never reasonable neither fair.It’s kill or be killed.Nothing more nothing less

There’s competition and there’s “just being a jerk”. If you don’t think etiquette and respecting other players matters, go into the Arena and start messing up other people’s duels or GvG. See how they react to you. (And remember that even ANet reprimanded their own staff member when he complained that GvG’ers were “ruining his game mode” and started kicking them out.)

If your retort is that people in the Arena are obviously there for duelling/GvG and not for open PvP, then how is that different from the players who are just there to complete the JP for their achievement? They are here for a completely different experience to what you want to enforce on them. Attacking them or shoving them off cliffs when they are non-hostile to you is like those guys who keep blasting skill #1 on the Horn in your ear when you’re at the Bank or BLTC, or who just keep spamming your chat window with /surprised emotes. You just want to annoy other players.

Ultimately though, I think the fault lies with ANet for not including a solution that lets people who just want to do the JP for the achievement get through without any trouble from other players. They should have put an NPC at the start of the JP that gives you the Determined buff so you’re completely invulnerable to other players, but also disables all your skills.

I agree that in instanced PvP exists competition.But that JP is exactly like Open world PvP and it is never fair.So i say people must deal with it.Everything can happen to you in Open world PvP.
If Anet wanted to make OS a non-PvP zone they could do it hundreds of times before.

If it was another MMO i would say don’t join PvP server if you don’t like World PvP.Here i could say if you don’t like to be ganked there are a few solutions:

• Play with friends
• Use a thief
• Play in off hours when there is no one
• Buy a mesmer portal
• Or just kill them before they have the chance to kill you

Got through the Gandaran arena camp yesterday. Kudos to the Gandarans for actually coming down to fight instead of just sitting up on the ledge. We would have killed you even if you did, but now it was easier

Zaxares.5419:

You can complete the dark room portion without dropping stealth if you turn up your brightness to maximum.

Nah you can do it in full darkness too. Just need to be pro

Zaxares.5419:

moiraine.2753:

PvP is not meant to be equal.If someone doesn’t like what is happening to him(ganking,farming) must stop doing the puzzle and go do it when there are less people.When you are PvP enabled there is no such thing as etiquette.Everything can happen to you.’’Reasonable’’?WTF are you talking about.PvP is never reasonable neither fair.It’s kill or be killed.Nothing more nothing less

There’s competition and there’s “just being a jerk”. If you don’t think etiquette and respecting other players matters, go into the Arena and start messing up other people’s duels or GvG. See how they react to you. (And remember that even ANet reprimanded their own staff member when he complained that GvG’ers were “ruining his game mode” and started kicking them out.)

If your retort is that people in the Arena are obviously there for duelling/GvG and not for open PvP, then how is that different from the players who are just there to complete the JP for their achievement? They are here for a completely different experience to what you want to enforce on them. Attacking them or shoving them off cliffs when they are non-hostile to you is like those guys who keep blasting skill #1 on the Horn in your ear when you’re at the Bank or BLTC, or who just keep spamming your chat window with /surprised emotes. You just want to annoy other players.

Ultimately though, I think the fault lies with ANet for not including a solution that lets people who just want to do the JP for the achievement get through without any trouble from other players. They should have put an NPC at the start of the JP that gives you the Determined buff so you’re completely invulnerable to other players, but also disables all your skills.

Who do you think put PvP in to a jumping puzzle? Who do you think set up the Achievement to run a PvP jumping puzzle to get a PvP achievement?

Achievement hunters need to realize not ever achievement will be as simple as eating 25 pieces of food or mining 10 times. Sometimes your gonna have to actually… do something.

Show us on the carebear where the mean ganker touched you.

Lol!!After reading all the threads on this post we need to bring back a good old classic: You recognize a PvE player in WvW when…lol!!!This is what it reminds me of

I may or may not have enjoyed an extended visit to OS last night.

Cheers to the CD and NSP that donated to the bag fund.

Tom Gore.4035:

Zaxares.5419:

You can complete the dark room portion without dropping stealth if you turn up your brightness to maximum.

Nah you can do it in full darkness too. Just need to be pro

but you still cant see my ranger traps along the wall under the fire spouts. 1.5 seconds of immob makes for endless enjoyment right there

PvP in the JPs is fine and expected, it is a PvP zone after all. Spawn camping, however, is weak, on whatever map it is done.

Ah, this thread. How I’ve missed it.

I’d post more, but I’m off to OS with one of my rangers & her longbow. Few things make me giggle harder than knocking players off of ledges.

oshilator.4681:

Ah, this thread. How I’ve missed it.

I’d post more, but I’m off to OS with one of my rangers & her longbow. Few things make me giggle harder than knocking players off of ledges.

I’ve seen quite a few Rangers use their longbow spectacularly in OS.

I love how there can be JP etiquette, but if there is a GvG it’s fair game to troll the kitten out of it.

While there is officially no set rules, the JP can be quite peaceful and cooperative at times. Unfortunately, you have a number of factors that will prevent safe/friendly JP for a few weeks, at least until enough people get the meta.
The main factor:
1. All BG’s end up having a huge queue. The JP usually has the smallest queue or no queue to enter. So people go there to pvp/mess around until they can get into another map.
Other factors (in no particular order)
1. Achievement to complete the puzzle: entices traffic.
2. Achievement to complete X number of kills, both for meta and monthly. Camping the entrance racks those up quickly.
3. Mob mentality. – It only takes about5/6 people to start a camping mob, it will quickly be joined by others. After a bit, you have superior numbers, why not stick around for lopsided battles and free loot.
4. Sour grapes mentality – Server losing the match-up. Camp the JP.
5. Revenge mentality – All it takes is one person to start the ganking chain. Doesn’t matter how peaceful things are, when that one person decides to get that one kill, it can result in hours of conflict in the puzzle. Watch the world burn type of thing.

You have 9 weeks time for doing this, so it will become less popular in the last few weeks. no need to do that right now.

You only need 10 Achs to complete the meta. So you even don’t need to do the JP.

And this is what your Guild for, if you see a group you don’t like. just call your Guild to terminate them.

I actually sign with OP on this. Not coz i think PVP area need some code of conduct but it raise a lot of bad feeling especially among people with little or none experience in JP’s and WVW. Usually you don’t see anyone with bronze and above ranks camping for hours ganking players in OS. It is usually pathetic noobs unable to get kills any other way.
It is too easy to kill in certain areas of OS. Try to get past mesmer or even better group mes+necro+LB ranger.
On other hand to tell the truth there is nothing funnier then to pull 3-5 ppl with focus from the cliff.

Tygr.9402:

Do you expect the enemies in PvE to just lay down and give you stuff?

This is exactly how the living story ended. So, ya know, its easy to see where they get the idea from. xD

Talyn.3295:

Who do you think put PvP in to a jumping puzzle? Who do you think set up the Achievement to run a PvP jumping puzzle to get a PvP achievement?

Achievement hunters need to realize not ever achievement will be as simple as eating 25 pieces of food or mining 10 times. Sometimes your gonna have to actually… do something.

The achievement is really for completing the puzzle. Getting attacked by other players doesn’t really have anything to do with it. Do you think that the player who couldn’t get the achievement due to people spawn camping/fall griefing in Obsidian Sanctum is a worse player than the player who DID get the achievement because they were lucky enough to get a Mesmer port to the end, or who just happens to play at off-hours so the place is always dead empty when they do the JP?

Yes, Obsidian Sanctum is a PvP map, which is why I’m not calling for bans/suspensions on the people who get their giggles attacking others in there. But I do think it’s poor sportsmanship, and perhaps something ANet should look at addressing. (If ANet really wanted an “no holds barred, every man for himself” MMO, then they wouldn’t have put in things like “no kill stealing”, “no node stealing”, and they’d have left the Matchup Forum here. The fact that they did all those tells me they want a better calibre of player for their game, which I approve of.)

By the way, to those who still need the achievement; 5 days on and the Sanctum is already mostly empty at off-hours even for the BG/JQ/TC match-up. Give it another week and I bet the place will be even more deserted. You’ve got plenty of time to get the achievement done.

Zaxares.5419:

The achievement is really for completing the puzzle..

Sorry but no its not. An achievement for completely a puzzle that is set in a Group of achievement focused around fighting and winning a PVP setting. Just like the rest of the achievements. They are focused on WvW which is PvP.

It has nothing to do with the skill of those players. But what grinds my gears is all the QQ here by the achievement hunters.

They can have their living story, they can have their easy eat this or walk to there achievements. But when they want to take up a space in WvW to kill yacks, or try to do this jumping puzzle or what not they need to realize that the other side will want to kill them.

I don’t think of myself as a bad guy. I will be the first person to run to the aid of someone getting killed in PvE. But when someone steps into a PvP environment they have to be able to defend themselves or sneak though. I don’t care which. But don’t expect other players to make it easy for them. And any notion of Honor was left behind the moment they logged into the Video Game world.

It isn’t greifing. It isn’t being mean. What it is, is the way the game was intended to be played.

That is all I have to say on the matter. Peace.

I won’t be coming back here, I got a season to win.

Talyn.3295:

Sorry but no its not. An achievement for completely a puzzle that is set in a Group of achievement focused around fighting and winning a PVP setting. Just like the rest of the achievements. They are focused on WvW which is PvP.

It has nothing to do with the skill of those players. But what grinds my gears is all the QQ here by the achievement hunters.

They can have their living story, they can have their easy eat this or walk to there achievements. But when they want to take up a space in WvW to kill yacks, or try to do this jumping puzzle or what not they need to realize that the other side will want to kill them.

Of course. When I go yak hunting or camp capping, I fully expect any enemy players I run across to attack me if they catch me in the act. I’m doing something which is detrimental to their score/server; it’s only right for them to attempt to stop me, and if I get killed, I only have myself to blame for not being skilled enough to either win the fight or escape in time.

But it’s a different story in Obsidian Sanctum. Nothing you do there has any real impact on the rest of WvW. We’re not “taking up space”, as you said yourself. It is players who are here to do a specific kind of activity, similar to those who come to Sanctum to do duelling or GvG.

Talyn.3295:

I don’t think of myself as a bad guy. I will be the first person to run to the aid of someone getting killed in PvE. But when someone steps into a PvP environment they have to be able to defend themselves or sneak though. I don’t care which. But don’t expect other players to make it easy for them. And any notion of Honor was left behind the moment they logged into the Video Game world.

It isn’t greifing. It isn’t being mean. What it is, is the way the game was intended to be played.

If you read my earlier posts, I advocate all players in Obsidian Sanctum to be on the alert too. Not every player you meet in there is going to be friendly, and you need to be ready to defend yourself if need be.

But combat in OS is not really the prime reason most of the players are there for. Fights can be found much more easily in the Arena or anywhere else in WvW. Why is it that so many attackers in OS only attack from spots where they can get cheap kills like knocking people off cliffs, or where the odds are heavily stacked in their favour? That tells me that they’re not really interested in fighting; they just want easy kills for loot, or they just enjoy the knowledge that they’re annoying someone else.

Again, there’s nothing “wrong” with attacking other players in Obsidian Sanctum as it’s a PvP zone, but examine your motivations for doing so. Just because something is allowed doesn’t always mean it’s the right thing to do.

Talyn.3295:

That is all I have to say on the matter. Peace.

I won’t be coming back here, I got a season to win.

Good luck in your match-ups, even if you never see this. (And for those who may be wondering why I still replied to this anyway, people who write posts saying they’re not coming back usually do end up coming back. Or secretly lurk anyway. )

I want people to gank in OS, i need people to gank in OS..
OSPD demands people to gank in OS.. please.. we need more kills..!