Guild Wars 2

The only thing golems are useful is to help blobby servers steamrolling structures and make a perma karma train. Making the diferences between servers with diferent population even bigger and making any defence tactics useless because all the siege you have in the keep becomes useless. Only middle stairs arrocarts and inner trebs to drain the gates remain useful until they breach the gate.

Sieging structures with money, absolutely killing the smaller servers during difficult matchups because nobody is able to hold anything if a permablob of 50 players and 5 omega golems are just running in circles.

Blobbadons is just disgusting.

They were suppose to help less populates server, and they do just the opposite.

they are needed to get rid of the overbuffed ACs which are needed to get rid of the oversized blobs which are needed to get rid of enemies ppt in this coverage game.

Im thinking antitank mines like the stealth trap and supply traps. You step on it in a golem and boom. And boom to everyone around you.

Park three in your lords room.

Use them defensively. They’re quite effective.

That is a really good idea! Wait untill all gates are down, THEN defend 10 vs 50. Thanks Jayne.

Or grab one and stand up top and fire off missiles into the blob of angry red guys

Bonus: Using the fire spin on those 50 seems to kill a lot of them while protecting your lord Multiply that by three and you get a nice enemy souffle!

Anet logic, lets make it worse and let guilds call airstrikes on keeps and towers…..

aspirine.6852:

Anet logic, lets make it worse and let guilds call airstrikes on keeps and towers…..

That’s just stonemist.
And atm it’s changing owners more often than sentries so some better defense is definitly nice.

Wryscher.1432:

Im thinking antitank mines like the stealth trap and supply traps. You step on it in a golem and boom. And boom to everyone around you.

I would buy a stack right away and spam them around!

Entenkommando.5208:

aspirine.6852:

Anet logic, lets make it worse and let guilds call airstrikes on keeps and towers…..

That’s just stonemist.
And atm it’s changing owners more often than sentries so some better defense is definitly nice.

Still doesnt make any sense but i see not a big problem with just SM. It changes 30 times a day like you said

Soon you will only see golems,airplanes and other machinery in wvw.

Bout time we got to storm the beaches of Normandy.

Omega golems were supposed to be a significant investment so that players don’t use them in bulk. When siege went tradeable the price of omegas dropped to where players will spam them with impunity. The result is 8 golem rushes that flip your T3 fortified keep before your server knows what’s going on. The ball is only in ANET’s court to fix this. I have some ideas for this:

1. Golem disabler trap
Cost 10 supply and deploy like other traps do. Golem disabler trap will pop a siege disabler when a golem crosses it and trigger a signal flare on the map. Golem trap will trigger other golem traps within 1500 units of it.

Golem trap will provide advanced warning of a golem attack on a structure where it is placed and also buy time for the defending server to mount a response. To prevent trolling with these traps any trap within 1500 units of a triggered golem trap will also go off.

2. Automated EMP turret (looks like any asuran turret)
Cost: 50 supply: permanent structure upgrade
Automated EMP turret will fire on golems in range and do significant damage to them, but otherwise does nothing. Rounds fired by the EMP turret can penetrate golem shields.

The automated EMP turret provides an active defense for an upgraded structure which must be defeated by player attacks before bringing golems up, once again providing a chance for the defending server to respond to the golem attack.

If your server can respond to the golem attack and then still loses then the enemy’s victory is well earned. I want the chance for a server to respond to a golem attack.

Golems have there place in WvW. Some groups use the different others.

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Svarty.8019:

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Well, the problem, as I see it, is when you do as you are here, and confuse your subjective opinion, with that of objective fact.

Simply because you, personally think something is broken, doesn’t make it true. Simply because they do not change the game around your personal judgments, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t implement new ideas.

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Well, the problem, as I see it, is when you do as you are here, and confuse your subjective opinion, with that of objective fact.

Simply because you, personally think something is broken, doesn’t make it true. Simply because they do not change the game around your personal judgments, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t implement new ideas.

And yet he playes way more wvw than any dev, so I value his opinion quite a bit.

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Well, the problem, as I see it, is when you do as you are here, and confuse your subjective opinion, with that of objective fact.

Simply because you, personally think something is broken, doesn’t make it true. Simply because they do not change the game around your personal judgments, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t implement new ideas.

While I agree that evidence is the key element here, I believe that the vast experience of the OP with Omega golems qualifies them (as most WvW regulars) as an “expert witness”. As such their opinion should carry considerable weight. Frankly, dismissing them as “subjective opinions” is both unfortunate and insulting, to me.

Algerius.5238:

The only thing golems are useful is to help blobby servers steamrolling structures and make a perma karma train.

Even if they didn’t use golems, wouldn’t the blobby servers still blobbity blob and k-train?

Blobbadons is just disgusting.

It sure is when you are out there solo roaming.

Svarty.8019:

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Well, the problem, as I see it, is when you do as you are here, and confuse your subjective opinion, with that of objective fact.

Simply because you, personally think something is broken, doesn’t make it true. Simply because they do not change the game around your personal judgments, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t implement new ideas.

While I agree that evidence is the key element here, I believe that the vast experience of the OP with Omega golems qualifies them (as most WvW regulars) as an “expert witness”. As such their opinion should carry considerable weight. Frankly, dismissing them as “subjective opinions” is both unfortunate and insulting, to me.

My 2000 hours as a commander on a tier one server, plus my 1000 hours playing with out my PIN up, following others, suggest he isn’t using them to the full abilities and benefits that many of the rest of us are. Which makes it difficult for me to consider him an “expert”, but that is subjective.

I simply feel he is wrong, based on his statements, as they suggest to me, he is using them in a very limited fashion.

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Well, the problem, as I see it, is when you do as you are here, and confuse your subjective opinion, with that of objective fact.

Simply because you, personally think something is broken, doesn’t make it true. Simply because they do not change the game around your personal judgments, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t implement new ideas.

While I agree that evidence is the key element here, I believe that the vast experience of the OP with Omega golems qualifies them (as most WvW regulars) as an “expert witness”. As such their opinion should carry considerable weight. Frankly, dismissing them as “subjective opinions” is both unfortunate and insulting, to me.

My 2000 hours as a commander on a tier one server, plus my 1000 hours playing with out my PIN up, following others, suggest he isn’t using them to the full abilities and benefits that many of the rest of us are. Which makes it difficult for me to consider him an “expert”, but that is subjective.

I simply feel he is wrong, based on his statements, as they suggest to me, he is using them in a very limited fashion.

I see what you did wrong there, being a karma train person yourself you are the opposite of the lower tier servers that do see the golems as a problem. How would you even know what problems lower tier servers have.

The problem as I see it is this; when you are outnumbered say 3:1 or more on a map and the outnumbering server then builds 2, 4, 5, 6 omega golems (don’t have an issue with alphas) to speed cap a map.

So what are the issues here …

(1) outnumbered
(2) number of omega golem build sites

Possible solutions …

(1) Omegas can’t use portals
(2) Omegas can’t use wp
(3) Omegas require more supply to build – say 300
(4) Reduce range on skill 1 to say 900 or less
(5) Omega build sites can only be placed when [outnumbered] applies (although I can see ways to get around this)
(6) Reduce siege expiry on omegas to 15min, same as rams
(7) Remove the speed buff on omegas when breaching a gate
(8) Remove the ability of movement speed buffs from traveler/speed runes etc
(9) Disablers have the same duration on omegas as they do on other siege
(10) Stealth has no effect on omegas

So there are 10 ways to minimise the effect of omegas, without necessarily removing them from WvW altogether. And this took like 10min to come up with and all or some would be simple to implement.

Which do you think are reasonable ?

When numbers aren’t massively imbalanced golems aren’t a problem, when numbers are massively imbalanced you have worse problems than golems.

aspirine.6852:

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

coglin.1867:

Svarty.8019:

Omegas need rebalancing, but on the evidence I’ve seen since launch, the development leadership are interested in implementing new things but not fixing broken stuff.

Well, the problem, as I see it, is when you do as you are here, and confuse your subjective opinion, with that of objective fact.

Simply because you, personally think something is broken, doesn’t make it true. Simply because they do not change the game around your personal judgments, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t implement new ideas.

While I agree that evidence is the key element here, I believe that the vast experience of the OP with Omega golems qualifies them (as most WvW regulars) as an “expert witness”. As such their opinion should carry considerable weight. Frankly, dismissing them as “subjective opinions” is both unfortunate and insulting, to me.

My 2000 hours as a commander on a tier one server, plus my 1000 hours playing with out my PIN up, following others, suggest he isn’t using them to the full abilities and benefits that many of the rest of us are. Which makes it difficult for me to consider him an “expert”, but that is subjective.

I simply feel he is wrong, based on his statements, as they suggest to me, he is using them in a very limited fashion.

I see what you did wrong there, being a karma train person yourself you are the opposite of the lower tier servers that do see the golems as a problem. How would you even know what problems lower tier servers have.

Not entirely certain why you chose to make inflammatory accusations, simply because someone disagrees with you. I would have chosen to use reasonable arguments, and try to support them with facts or practical situations based on in game experience, but to each their own I guess.

Your correct, I do not suffer the issues of the lowest population servers. Which makes me curios as to why siege, its uses, and the concept behind it, should be changed, based on the least populated servers?

It doesn’t strike me as particularly rational to change the game, based on the smallest minority of players.

Well well..

<em>Hop into World vs. World between July 17 and July 24 to experience our newest special event, Golem Rush, where siege golems are better, faster, and stronger!

During the special event, all golems will be supercharged and have the following effects:
All siege golems in WvW no longer require supply to construct.
All siege golems in WvW will deal 100% additional damage to other golems and players.
All siege golems in WvW will move at 100% additional movement speed.
</em>

It’s gonna be a bad week for servers with weaker coverage, gg Anet, well thought out.

Hahahah this is awesome

Hop into World vs. World between July 17 and July 24 to experience our newest special event, Golem Rush, where siege golems are better, faster, and stronger!
During the special event, all golems will be supercharged and have the following effects:
All siege golems in WvW no longer require supply to construct.
All siege golems in WvW will deal 100% additional damage to other golems and players.
All siege golems in WvW will move at 100% additional movement speed.

I wonder if this is a reaction to all the complaining about Golems in WvW…

It is going to be glorious.

Algerius.5238:

The only thing golems are useful is to help blobby servers steamrolling structures and make a perma karma train. Making the diferences between servers with diferent population even bigger and making any defence tactics useless because all the siege you have in the keep becomes useless. Only middle stairs arrocarts and inner trebs to drain the gates remain useful until they breach the gate.

Sieging structures with money, absolutely killing the smaller servers during difficult matchups because nobody is able to hold anything if a permablob of 50 players and 5 omega golems are just running in circles.

Blobbadons is just disgusting.

Swag anet literally trolled you with this upcoming event xD

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-July-7-2015

Zetsumei.4975:

Algerius.5238:

The only thing golems are useful is to help blobby servers steamrolling structures and make a perma karma train. Making the diferences between servers with diferent population even bigger and making any defence tactics useless because all the siege you have in the keep becomes useless. Only middle stairs arrocarts and inner trebs to drain the gates remain useful until they breach the gate.

Sieging structures with money, absolutely killing the smaller servers during difficult matchups because nobody is able to hold anything if a permablob of 50 players and 5 omega golems are just running in circles.

Blobbadons is just disgusting.

Swag anet literally trolled you with this upcoming event xD

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-July-7-2015

You really think they are trolling?

They did the same thing to arrowcarts (damage has been buffed ~100% since release). That event is still ongoing.

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Thanks anet

Get your perma-stealth Grenade Siege Disablers builds ready!

TatsuKan.5412:

With this update, I wonder if the WvW Dev Team actually play WvW ?!

I saw one mention it once! (true story)
Then he got flamed for mentioning a specific matchup when other employees had banned the community from doing so. AFAIK He’s not been seen since.