Guild Wars 2

Please consider merging some lower tiers. It should not matter what server you start on to be able to play a part of the game. Right now i hardly can. You should really address this. Taking much to long.

Same for me, and I’m not on lower tier server… The new BL is dead, you can only at prime time. Map too big, nothing to do (all is automatic), no wp, too much maze..
Join your map at prime time, you should have some fun. But forget playing during the day.

The new borderland is dead for everyone. The map is too huge and everyone who likes to play wvw will go to ebg.

I was one of those who played in home bl only. Because noone was doing it, they were too busy jumping k-train to defend stuff. Scouting, taking camps, escorting dolyaks, roaming and having fun in bl while being useful. I don’t play home bl anymore,i switched to ebg because the New bl sucks no matter what Anet says. I’m ok with auto upgrade, structures need still to be defended but the kitten they created, maybe is good to see but to play, It’s purely nonsense. Come to ebg with us, old stile map, with others like me.

Saw SoS went to full status so tried playing again.. yet maps are still empty. Back to watching TV.. I miss playing GW2.

The new borderlands are beautifully designed and looks great. Unfortunately, if you are looking for any real battles, these maps aren’t really for you. If you were a fan of EOTM, then consider this EOTM Enhanced. Only playable map for most WvWers are EB now. People on these empty borderlands are there to gather the resources. It’s not even useful enough to use for dailies.

Out of curiosity, besides those turrets that shoots wind and poison, what is it about the new BL that most people don’t like? Is it the fact that they are more complex? I read some people saying it’s a maze and I agree. It feels like a maze for the first two hour of me playing, which I spent running around the entire map and fortresses. After that, it’s pretty well designed… not a maze at all. I think the new map provides lots of things for us to play a different way in the world. You can zerg into the NE camp, but my group could be on top of those pillars, ready to ambush you or shoot rain of arrows down on you. It is really nice.

However! There is no denying that lots of people seems not to like it. Personally, I can’t wait to go home everyday lately to practice my bo staff and playing wvw. =) It is fun. I get into battle every so often just by conquering scouts. The scouts tell me where the swarms are and where they are heading. Then I hunt them down.

PS… I never liked EOTM. So please don’t think that I’m just EOTM fan and am being biased. (Edit this comment to add this PS after reading SleepingDragon’s comment)

@OP if you want higher population matchups transfer servers, there are many players and guilds in the lower tiers that like the less populated maps. Also ArenaNet don’t and won’t combine servers as they have stated before they want to keep server communities (mostly WvW anymore) together and not force two together.

Unfortunately this isn’t just a lower tier issue. Even in the upper tiers, T1 and T2, these maps are empty as well. People like to use the excuse that hey, new expansion just launched, give it time. But don’t you think something’s wrong with the way things are designed if people aren’t utilizing new expansion content? And these new desert borderland maps are a part of that new expansion content?

Sadly without Anet talking to us about it, we have no idea if they have any plans or even acknowledge the issues we’re facing. At the moment I wouldn’t transfer just because I can tell you even in upper tiers, these new desert maps are for the most part empty. You bump into a group here and there, but it’s nothing like the massive epic world vs world vs world that we’re used to.

They most definitely need to merge lower pop servers, these are servers marked as “medium”, they’re all pretty light when it comes to WvW activities. But they needed to do this before HoT expansion. Before people kept saying NO no no wait for the expansion launch because thousands of people will come back and fill the borderland maps up! Yeah, how’s that working out?

Even in T2 the maps are dead. And not only the new BL’s. FA painted the whole EB map green. We just took back our keep. Then T3 stonemist. Zero resistance. Took FA’s keep, 3 ppl showed up to defend. HYPE!!. Not -.-
R.I.P. my favorite gamemode.
Welcome to Eotm 2.0

the good part for this new map is that for the first time I play in eotm….

Okay… in my professional opinion, now is the time to PANIC!!! The End of the WORLD (vs world hehehe) is UPON US!!!

is it not obvious?? People are spending time in the Maguuma! Once they are done, you will remember that I, the mighty and beautiful Simon, prophesied this! Remember me!!

gavyne.6847:

People like to use the excuse that hey, new expansion just launched, give it time. But don’t you think something’s wrong with the way things are designed if people aren’t utilizing new expansion content? And these new desert borderland maps are a part of that new expansion content?

This is the truth though, and it’s not about the ‘new’ content just talking maps because yes WvW got new maps too. It’s more on people trying to get their elite specialization up. Just after the patch on Tuesday that made it cost significantly less to fill up your specialization I have seen an increase in numbers in WvW (T1). We had 2 maps with a ~5 man que around NA prime time. Despite many ‘WvWers’ on the form stating they only play WvW many WvWers play PvE and are enjoying the new PvE while WvW is not as populated. I would wait another week or two before you call doomsday, I think T1 will be ‘up and running’ by the reset this weekend.

Is it clear to everyone now that the server system needs to go?

Anet you fixed dead PvE maps now fix WvW please and thank you.

Server loyalty means nothing, we need people to play with and against.

Sitting on your own border waiting for enemies to arrive never made them appear. You have to attack enemy stuff if you want a fight. Also, if they don’t show up to defend their stuff, that’s their problem, not yours.

displayname.8315:

Is it clear to everyone now that the server system needs to go?

Anet you fixed dead PvE maps now fix WvW please and thank you.

Server loyalty means nothing, we need people to play with and against.

Since it took me over 20 minutes to get into eb last night the problem is not population. If you want a megaserver version of WvW feel free to go to EotM.

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

This is the truth though, and it’s not about the ‘new’ content just talking maps because yes WvW got new maps too. It’s more on people trying to get their elite specialization up. Just after the patch on Tuesday that made it cost significantly less to fill up your specialization I have seen an increase in numbers in WvW (T1). We had 2 maps with a ~5 man que around NA prime time. Despite many ‘WvWers’ on the form stating they only play WvW many WvWers play PvE and are enjoying the new PvE while WvW is not as populated. I would wait another week or two before you call doomsday, I think T1 will be ‘up and running’ by the reset this weekend.

Yeah I was there, but all we got was ktrain and random fights. And still more people preferred to stick around in EBG than the new desert borderland maps. Even then, it’s still mostly ktraining in EBG. Yup, people want to farm ranks to get hero points, but isn’t that part of the issue? The fact that Anet designed it so WvW players would have to stop fighting and playing the mode they enjoy, just so they could farm hero points and ktrain?

That’d be like forcing sPvP players to grind PvE before they could play in PvP. And the fact that ktraining and avoiding fights still get you better rewards is what’s wrong with EOTM, and I guess we’re now seeing that carried over to the new maps. It’s still a fail design all around no matter how you look at it.

I haven’t played in WvW since Saturday. Why? Because I’m busying trying to grind out all these shiny new things so that I can get back into WvW with them and not be behind everyone else. Most of my guild feels the same, not wanting to be behind.

It isn’t the end of the world.

There is no problem to “grind” HP in wvw… Only masteries need pve grind.
And masteries don’t work in wvw…
Then I really don’t think that hardcore wvw player won’t go to wvw just to grind new stuff…

Chaba, if you are making reference of what I am saying, please note it was a joke.

And like Chaba, I assure you all, especially all of my Ranger brethren, that this is temporary. Lots of my guildies who usually roam in WvW has been running around in PvE to explore… and farm Mastery points. They’ll be back.

Once I got my elite spec out of the way I had fun running around in ours but is was very sparse of players. I think once people get their hero points knocked out and some larger guilds wrap up the HoT stuff it will fill up more.

Let’s keep in mind the OP is talking about lower tier servers, they had population issues long before HoT expansion. So this whole “they’ll be back” doesn’t work for them, because they weren’t even there before to fill up the old borderland maps.

gavyne.6847:

Let’s keep in mind the OP is talking about lower tier servers, they had population issues long before HoT expansion. So this whole “they’ll be back” doesn’t work for them, because they weren’t even there before to fill up the old borderland maps.

Then he can just add to one of the other threads about it. No one’s holding him hostage on that server.

I am from the lower tier server. I’m from EBay (Ehmry Bay). And on our end, it has been getting livelier. Slowly yet surely.

kash.9213:

gavyne.6847:

Let’s keep in mind the OP is talking about lower tier servers, they had population issues long before HoT expansion. So this whole “they’ll be back” doesn’t work for them, because they weren’t even there before to fill up the old borderland maps.

Then he can just add to one of the other threads about it. No one’s holding him hostage on that server.

The bl’s were rarely full on the lower tiers but you could always find fights. You start capping things or draining supply from a keep and players would show up. That doesn’t happen anymore.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

displayname.8315:

Is it clear to everyone now that the server system needs to go?

Anet you fixed dead PvE maps now fix WvW please and thank you.

Server loyalty means nothing, we need people to play with and against.

Since it took me over 20 minutes to get into eb last night the problem is not population. If you want a megaserver version of WvW feel free to go to EotM.

You wait 20 mins in a queue while other top servers are empty and you say the problem is not population? Wow really.. the problem is population, and how it is kept divided too much. Good for you finding a timezone with a bandwagon, I guess…

Megaserver was a good fix for PvE sure. Never said to make WvW a megaserver.

People already shuffle around the servers, correctly looking for a good match to play. The only thing that prevents good matches is the paywall. Without it no one would give a kittys bottom about empty servers.

Now you may assume they need that paywall to keep the lights on or whatever. I propose they can make money in a better way and still keep bandwagons under control like they have been doing.

At most there are two players on each map. I played eotm for a year. I didnt buy an expansion to be playing the old content. They can easily fix it. I do t think its fair i need to pay 10 euro extra just because i picked the wrong server when i started right?

I think most players are PvEing in the jungle. After a month and that dies down more (everyone has their elite etc) people will start filling up wvw like whatever it was before for your server.

I can’t imagine a map change would kill wvw. Especially since its easier to defend which is the opposite of EOTM k train.

Maybe people are PvE’ing, maybe other stuff. The point is there is a problem with the server system, this is just the latest example of why it needs to change.

Now i get why it’s “Desert” Borderland. Anet already knew it would go this way, they are genius.

im on far shiverpeaks. its T1 i think, a FULL server and still its always empty. only eb and thats sometimes…
this desert bl killed wvw

Dancing Face.4695:

Now i get why it’s “Desert” Borderland. Anet already knew it would go this way, they are genius.

They just forgot to add the ‘ed’ on the end..

Three of us on our whole BL late this evening, fighting no one, didn’t even see an enemy in the hour I was there, cleaned up the last caps and whole map our colour- t1 at it’s finest.

Only q was ‘1’ for EB, but when in, no one around there either. It’s quite hard to level up wvw ranks when there’s no one to fight with,,,

T1 and T2 run empty during NA prime most nights. We flipped two of the three “garri” keeps this evening and I could count the number of enemy players on one hand.

Simon.3106:

Out of curiosity, besides those turrets that shoots wind and poison, what is it about the new BL that most people don’t like? Is it the fact that they are more complex?

Too big with too many vertical walls/drops making traversal difficult. If you see a commander at the top of a map, a player has to navigate the maze. Also on the old maps players broke in and there was the next gate or the supervisor. Now we get a strange winding path through towers and keeps making it unfriendly to new players.

Most importantly… it spreads out the fights so nobody knows where to go to get a good fight. Before you could find small fights in South camp and there was frequently big fights by Bay, Garri and Hills.

I do know alot of peeps are in pve but the matter is that the new BL is way too big for a single tier. Also some ppl have left the game

They tested those maps. Did nobody tell them that they are too big?

gebrechen.5643:

They tested those maps. Did nobody tell them that they are too big?

Yes overwhelmingly so.

morrolan.9608:

gebrechen.5643:

They tested those maps. Did nobody tell them that they are too big?

Yes overwhelmingly so.

It’s wvw. They don’t listen to feedback from players, only from fanboys and streamers- and the streamers told them how pretty it was (which was the bit Anet decided to run with) but a little big. Then they ignored anyone who pointed out too big, too complex, too many walkways, walls, paths inside the buildings and all the other fluff that might look good but makes even finding an enemy (or your own comm) difficult.

That’s how we ended up with the new Deserted BLs.

WvW is not dead on Whiteside Ridge (tier 8 server) There’s people to fight during the day and prime time there’s always 2-3 guilds fighting others each night along with night duty there’s plenty of small scale fights to be had if people are looking for them. Each night since Saturday we’ve been raiding and there’s not been a single night where we don’t encounter fun fights (25+) And yes the fights on borderlands maps are incredibly fun with new tactics based on terrain and whatnot most excellent maybe y’all should consider transferring

Saephaan.7285:

This desert bl killed wvw

Maybe this is a wrong conclusion? New PvE maps caused it, not new BL map. We really need to wait few weeks until people get bored with new PvE content and get back to WvW…

Also it;s halloween with Hot! Halloween lasts a few weeks ONCE PER KITTENING YEAR jeeheez 1+1 = 2 except HoT + Halloween = less server pop atm

HoT just killed WvW for good. I don’t mean it in the figurative sense (e.g. one or two years ago I might have said it in a jocular way, but not this time). It’s really terminally about to die. Well for the 95% of the people that do not play during prime time on the top 3 servers on EB only, anyway.
Please realise the weight of these words, I am telling you it’s really just a few weeks short of becoming as dead as Alliance Battles is right now in Guild Wars 1.

That is, of course, unless ANet does something about it. And they will. Oh I tell you, they will. In six or seven months, after the borderlands and non-primetime EB on top servers have long been deserted (what an unlucky, foreboding name they chose, Desert Borderlands), they will attempt a fix. They will slightly boost rewards! YAY! MORE VIRTUAL CARROTS! MORE CURRENCY! (This has been the modus operandi of Anet since the very release of GW2).
Please, I invite you, screenshot this post. Save it on your hard disk, move it to a USB stick, go your local printery and make a gloss print. Frame it, hang it up in your living room and ponder it with your sweetheart date over a glass of wine. Make a novelty auction on eBay and sell an image of this post for 50’000$, then live of it for half a year. Hunt down illegal replicas on etsy and send a team to raid Chinese pirate manufacturers churning out cheap ripoffs of this post, with typos, questionable grammar and random Hanzi characters in it.
But still, keep this post in mind.

Also WvWers will still be poorer than PvEers.

sounds like HoT is the ToA of DAOC. toa killed alot of daoc pop and took several years to fix

Many people are playing the new PvE content and unlocking new stuff.

But if the new borderland was fun to play, wouldn’t they be there instead?

Holland.9351:

Many people are playing the new PvE content and unlocking new stuff.

and many people have just given up on WvW until they fix some of the problems they created with this expansion.

Maybe this guy was right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhvuomaJaY

It just wasn’t true at the time because PvE had no endgame or didn’t appeal to many people. Now there is new PvE content that people are more interested in than WvW. For some WvW was simply endgame content.

However the PvE content won’t last forever. It’s too static for that. But it might take some people many weeks to get through and unlock all the new stuff they want.

The new borderlands aren’t good because of the new PvE events in it, which is just more static content. If people wanted that they would go do events in PvE maps.

The power of WvW is that it’s dynamic and not exactly the same every day like PvE events, so it makes for good endgame content.

Fuzzion.2504:

sounds like HoT is the ToA of DAOC. toa killed alot of daoc pop and took several years to fix

I was just thinking the same thing. DAoC never recovered from that expansion. Unfortunately GW2 is a PvE game (which I don’t understand as the PvE is horrible) with some WvW so if WvW died off I don’t think Anet would mind that much.

Xeno.4610:

Saephaan.7285:

This desert bl killed wvw

Maybe this is a wrong conclusion? New PvE maps caused it, not new BL map. We really need to wait few weeks until people get bored with new PvE content and get back to WvW…

The fallacy of this argument is that if people were wow’d by the new BL maps they would play them in preference to grinding in pve land. Clearly people took a look at the new BL. said ‘meh’ and decided to level up their masteries in pve land or just not bother playing- or go to EoTM or EB where there is at least some action and some chance of clocking up some wexp.

Straegen.2938:

Fuzzion.2504:

sounds like HoT is the ToA of DAOC. toa killed alot of daoc pop and took several years to fix

I was just thinking the same thing. DAoC never recovered from that expansion. Unfortunately GW2 is a PvE game (which I don’t understand as the PvE is horrible) with some WvW so if WvW died off I don’t think Anet would mind that much.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they were angling for with all these changes. Turn WvW into something casual like eotm to drive away hardcore WvW players. That way they can devote even less resources to it, maybe remove a bunch of the servers.