Guild Wars 2

I see the intent that ANet had in removing having to pay for upgrades but it seemed like there were two types of people out there. People that always paid for upgrades and people that never did. The point of doing somethings outside of WvW was to have coin to pay for upgrades. This created value in the in game coin and their activities and created ownership in the structures. Nothing better than having an enemy return to find that you have fully upgraded a structure in their homeland and you were waiting for them or to block an enemy zerg from quickly resupplying since you just capped and upgraded the camp their were about to resupply from.

If the new system moves forward as is and there are coin/badge contributions that individuals may make to trigger the upgrade then I hope that ANet is brainstorming on how they can still create a sense of ownership in those structures. Maybe something even as simple as allowing people to convert coins/badges into extra yaks from supply camps. Don’t rule out the enjoyment people had in helping upgrade objectives outside of just placing defensive siege.

On a side note to the vocal few forum goers, did you like paying for upgrades before or do I just know too many gluttons for punishment? Have to agree with another post on these changes stating that difference between a night ktrain and someone looking to control the map was if they were willing to pay for the upgrades. Good hunting!

There isn’t really a downside to not paying for upgrades. There are definitely downsides that can be argued about the automatic upgrades and not needing supply, but not for free upgrades.

If you need something to commit your gold to for WvW, buy siege.

Oolune.4357:

There isn’t really a downside to not paying for upgrades. There are definitely downsides that can be argued about the automatic upgrades and not needing supply, but not for free upgrades.

If you need something to commit your gold to for WvW, buy siege.

^Nailed it. I’d be fine with using karma for upgrades but the real problem is the automated upgrades.

Wvw needs changes. Its a change so all the arguments are invalid

Hmm, I admit I tie the upgrades into a price as well. Concur though that the auto-upgrades are a concern and to me buying the upgrades is the trigger versus it being automatic. At least give us a time frame on how long this might launch in this fashion until it is re-evaluated.

McWolfy.5924:

Wvw needs changes. Its a change so all the arguments are invalid

By that logic ANet could remove WvW in it’s entirety and it would be fine because, " Its a change so all the arguments are invalid".

I am exceedingly happy you no longer have to pay for upgrades.

however, I feel like there could be major improvements on the form that a-net rolled out free upgrades

The free cost for upgrades isn’t the problem.. it’s the lack of requirement yaks that is the problem.

Its the idea that the objective will be upgraded regardless of any yaks making it in or not. Meaning you can’t counter the upgrades. They will happen.

Keep upgrades should have a requirement of X dolly’s reaching the objective. That simple. It’s still “free” and you still have to “work” to make sure it happens, and the enemy can still counter it if possible by killing yaks/

Upgrades can be strategical. When we’ve lost everything in our BL and I’m the only one on it, flipping camps, I usually buy yak guards so solo cappers will have a harder time to get that camp. I don’t think that will be possible with automated upgrades. On the other hand: We nearly lost our keep again yesterday because someone thought it would be a great idea to buy additional guards while we still had 40 enemies on the second gate. For that automated upgrades are good- I don’t know how it will work out, so just wait and see, I guess.

Im for the idea of not paying for upgrades. Paying for upgrades just so a megazerg can smack em away in 2 hours is not an investment to me that’s worth 2gold

Edit: (chrome is stupid and i thought about it while typing)

I’m actually going to take an indifferent approach to automatic upgrades. A short siege is still possible as a way to break an objective.