I had a situation tonight that seems to be something I unfortunately see often. My guild is trying to do an upgrade on a tower and someone(in this case a couple members of a guild) comes along and takes the supply so that we don’t have enough to continue with the upgrade. We call them out about it and needless to say there was a number of immature comments made. GW2 does not really support staying at a keep/tower and spending your own money to try to defend and upgrade it other than trying to put your server. I’m sure that I am not the only one that has been experiencing this and am wondering what have people done to dealt with this?
It’s rediculous that players can take the supply at all from keeps. It should be only available to repair walls, doors and a high ranked player(not in game yet) has the ability to turn that on or not. Workers would only repair them if there was no combat on them. It would stop rediculous golem armies at pvdoor time or any other time.. Make supply camps more important to hold and therefor more open field pvp action.
It would be great if you could put supply you are carrying in the tower supply depot. As of how are you fighting it – educate people. Tell to everybody you see doing it why it is important not to take supply from towers, we were all noobs once and didn’t know better…
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It would be great if you could put supply you are carrying in the tower supply depot. …
For first this sounds good, but it would wreck WvW. Supply camps would be used for only resupplying players, dolyaks would be pretty much forgotten. Taking out dolyaks would be useless and to drain a keep/tower out of supply would mean that your team takes and HOLDS all the supply camps on map.
And on the subject of the topic. Well, you need to try to educate the players. Not much else you can do about it. If you see someone taking supplies from you tower, try to tell them nicely not to touch it next time as its needed to upgrade tower.
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This is something ArenaNet needs to fix. Make two supply crates; one for upgrades, and another that players can take. And then make the game split up the incoming supply in both. It takes an unrealistic amount of communication to coordinate who can or can’t take supplies from a keep.
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There are still some clueless people in WvW who will take supply from a keep or tower without thinking twice, but I’ve seen very tangible improvement in this area since launch. Usually it isn’t even an issue anymore.
I honestly don’t think that anything needs to be changed here.
That happen, so what i do is see if the upgrade is viable before some attack, and take in consideration those players who will deplete ur supplies, there r always of that kind of players in everywhere. So dont hurry to upgrade and u will do fine ^^
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In the instance he speaks of it was 3 of the same players running together, same guild, etc etc. We asked them to not take supplies as we were trying to upgrade it to last through the offpeak hours. They told us they would do what they wanted and then continued to take from it.
This is a pretty obvious example of people just being malicious. We held supply camps nearby from which they could have gotten supply.
I think the dolyak mechanics and such should stay.. but it would be nice if when a guild claimed a tower or keep and actually spent their money for upgrades that they could control the supply to some extent. It’s not secret among the online community that many people are just out to be pricks and if taking supply is a way to be one, they will do it.
It might be interesting to add something to the guild claim mechanic. Maybe make it so the guild that claimed a tower can temporarily prevent players from taking supply from a tower.
A better solution might be to rebalance how much supply you get from a tower. Maybe make towers only allow players a max of 8 supply instead of 10 (or make supply camps give 12 instead of 10). That would encourage players to use supply camps through game balance, without significantly changing how tower defense works or the value of supply in towers.
No one wants to run around the map to supply camps in order to grab supply and then run back to actually have fun. A lot of the players don’t care if their server wins and just go on wvw to have large battles against humans. You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part. Either change the system or plan for people taking supply from keep/towers.
No one wants to run around the map to supply camps in order to grab supply and then run back to actually have fun. A lot of the players don’t care if their server wins and just go on wvw to have large battles against humans. You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part. Either change the system or plan for people taking supply from keep/towers.
A large number of players (perhaps a majority) want to win in WvW. You’re being unreasonable, putting just a few seconds of certain players’ time ahead of the enjoyment of all those people.
To original poster. I’ve seen both sides of the spectrum. Those who always yell DON’T TAKE SUPPLY even though upgrades are going and the keep is being attacked. It is OKAY to take supplies if you are using it to upgrade or build sieges while being attacked. It hurts NO ONE. No sieges in keep or tower = loss of said structure anyways.
Now if they are taking supplies and not using it for defense or maliciously taking it before an upgrade is about to start then yes. No one likes being called out, don’t be an idiot. Whisper them, you will get a better response. It’s people like you who egg those individuals on and encourages them to keep doing it.
A friendly whisper with a short explanation works for me almost always whenever I see someone doing it. The rest are just kids who will not listen to you nomatter what, you have to live with those.
Name and Shame the noobs. When they want to talk their kitten, point the noobs to this thread. They sure can do what they want just like we can shame the noobs they are.
No one wants to run around the map to supply camps in order to grab supply and then run back to actually have fun. A lot of the players don’t care if their server wins and just go on wvw to have large battles against humans. You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part. Either change the system or plan for people taking supply from keep/towers.
A large number of players (perhaps a majority) want to win in WvW. You’re being unreasonable, putting just a few seconds of certain players’ time ahead of the enjoyment of all those people.
All the players want to win except a wanting to win doesn’t mean they want to play to win. If it did you wouldn’t see giant groups roaming inefficiently, lack of siege being put up, undefended keeps, or few people bothering to shell out a measly 1g for upgrades. They play for fun.
I’m not putting those players who play for fun above those who work to win. I acknowledge their existence and choose to not be a jerk and heckle at them in public for not playing my way.
It does not take a few seconds to grab supply, it takes a few boring minutes to run to a camp and then run to where the fights are. You’re being unreasonable when you expect all the people to do work in WvW. Demeaning these people in the chat because they rather have fun then take orders is just rude.
The only proper response is what Aysnvaust posted.
This whole thread ticks me off. I’m learning how the mechanics of WvWvW works. As are, I’m sure, quite a lot of other people. If your first instinct is to insult and condemn people for doing something like this (possibly the people the op was referring to actually knew what it was they were doing) well, let’s just say no one better call ME any names in game for making a mistake or two.
You guys really need to lighten the heck up. If you want your server to work together to accomplish more, then be prepared to explain how things work to the new people. Otherwise, you’ll just drive them away and defeat yourself.
No one wants to run around the map to supply camps in order to grab supply and then run back to actually have fun. A lot of the players don’t care if their server wins and just go on wvw to have large battles against humans. You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part. Either change the system or plan for people taking supply from keep/towers.
A large number of players (perhaps a majority) want to win in WvW. You’re being unreasonable, putting just a few seconds of certain players’ time ahead of the enjoyment of all those people.
All the players want to win except a wanting to win doesn’t mean they want to play to win. If it did you wouldn’t see giant groups roaming inefficiently, lack of siege being put up, undefended keeps, or few people bothering to shell out a measly 1g for upgrades. They play for fun.
I’m not putting those players who play for fun above those who work to win. I acknowledge their existence and choose to not be a jerk and heckle at them in public for not playing my way.
It does not take a few seconds to grab supply, it takes a few boring minutes to run to a camp and then run to where the fights are. You’re being unreasonable when you expect all the people to do work in WvW. Demeaning these people in the chat because they rather have fun then take orders is just rude.
The only proper response is what Aysnvaust posted.
It’s always best to be courteous, or people will do the opposite of your request just to spite you.
However, it’s ridiculous when people continuously place one individual’s enjoyment as paramount over the enjoyment of every single other person. Yeah, that person might just be playing “for fun” but if his stupid behavior causes you to lose a tower that harms the enjoyment of every single other person playing. Just because some players are “casuals” doesn’t mean that somehow their experience is more important than everyone else’s.
This whole thread ticks me off. I’m learning how the mechanics of WvWvW works. As are, I’m sure, quite a lot of other people. If your first instinct is to insult and condemn people for doing something like this (possibly the people the op was referring to actually knew what it was they were doing) well, let’s just say no one better call ME any names in game for making a mistake or two.
You guys really need to lighten the heck up. If you want your server to work together to accomplish more, then be prepared to explain how things work to the new people. Otherwise, you’ll just drive them away and defeat yourself.
Not taking supply should ALWAYS be seen somewhere in chat. If you join WvW for the first time and get called “names”, it might be because of prolonged frustration. It is hard to care for everyone’s “feelings” after constantly typing the same sentence so many times. The longer the keep takes to upgrade, the more easier you make it for the enemy.
Just as much as old players should have arguably more patience. New players should understand that one of their mistakes might be the last straw. Even though they may not be the previous causes to get someone to that point. Both sides should be working on having empathy.
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No one wants to run around the map to supply camps in order to grab supply and then run back to actually have fun. A lot of the players don’t care if their server wins and just go on wvw to have large battles against humans. You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part. Either change the system or plan for people taking supply from keep/towers.
A large number of players (perhaps a majority) want to win in WvW. You’re being unreasonable, putting just a few seconds of certain players’ time ahead of the enjoyment of all those people.
All the players want to win except a wanting to win doesn’t mean they want to play to win. If it did you wouldn’t see giant groups roaming inefficiently, lack of siege being put up, undefended keeps, or few people bothering to shell out a measly 1g for upgrades. They play for fun.
I’m not putting those players who play for fun above those who work to win. I acknowledge their existence and choose to not be a jerk and heckle at them in public for not playing my way.
It does not take a few seconds to grab supply, it takes a few boring minutes to run to a camp and then run to where the fights are. You’re being unreasonable when you expect all the people to do work in WvW. Demeaning these people in the chat because they rather have fun then take orders is just rude.
The only proper response is what Aysnvaust posted.
It’s always best to be courteous, or people will do the opposite of your request just to spite you.
However, it’s ridiculous when people continuously place one individual’s enjoyment as paramount over the enjoyment of every single other person. Yeah, that person might just be playing “for fun” but if his stupid behavior causes you to lose a tower that harms the enjoyment of every single other person playing. Just because some players are “casuals” doesn’t mean that somehow their experience is more important than everyone else’s.
No one is placing the experience of one group over over another group besides you. Accepting that people do this doesn’t mean I’m telling people to do this. It is not ridiculous that people care more about their enjoyment than the experience of complete strangers in an online video game.
Also just because you play to win doesn’t put you in a position to belittle others and put quotes around “for fun” or call their behavior stupid.
It is impossible for one person to ruin the experience for everyone else in WvW unless you’re saying the team that takes over the keep somehow knows that supply was being diverted and now they’re upset.
You’re playing a video game in a public setting, accept the fact that not everyone is aligned the same way and get over it. There is no reason to harangue someone in map/team chat over something as immaterial as a keep siege in a 7 day WvW match in an online video game.
I usually say something such as “We are trying to upgrade the tower/keep…please do not take the supply” Its usually after people contineu to take it is where I tell people to stop being lazy and all that. I do hope that anet addresses this because not only will it help with allowing for less frustration with people on the same server(who ideally should be working together), it will also address the issue I have been seeing people talking about with the conspiracy theory of people transferring to enemy servers to use the supply putting them at a disadvantage.
You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part.
Yeah, actually that’s exactly what you said. You stated that it’s unreasonable for strategic players to even so much as ask other players to run to supply camps instead of taking supply from siege.
You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part.
Yeah, actually that’s exactly what you said. You stated that it’s unreasonable for strategic players to even so much as ask other players to run to supply camps instead of taking supply from siege.
Also just because you play to win doesn’t put you in a position to belittle others and put quotes around “for fun” or call their behavior stupid.
Again, you’re literally the only person who has (at least in this meta-conversation) suggested belittling people.
It is unreasonable to order/tell players to do supply runs if they find it to be boring. And that is different than asking all players to run supply from camps. You’re incorrect about the belittling point because you’re the one who put “for fun” in quotes and described the behavior of certain players as stupid.
And now you’re not making any attempts to further your argument. We’re also completely off topic to a thread that should have ended at when others suggested to politely tell people to stop taking supplies from the siege.
After a couple months, even with a bit of a language barrier, people on my server are much better at not robbing towers/keeps of supply.
We’ve have a whole lot of “do not take supply from towers and keeps, take it from supply” spamming in /team, as well as advice to take supplies from camps, as well as public shaming/harsh language to people who would rob supplies from a tower/keep. I find it entertaining the odd time I see someone called out by character name AND guildname, with their offence clearly stated when they take from a tower/keep.
As you know naracion I just usually point out the player and their guild and it usually works by bad publicity . I also know there are types who sabotage and just wont listen because they are more important than the rest of the server… I really wish I had been there when this happened.
You’re being unreasonable to tell people to spend time doing boring supply grabs instead of running straight to the fun part.
Yeah, actually that’s exactly what you said. You stated that it’s unreasonable for strategic players to even so much as ask other players to run to supply camps instead of taking supply from siege.
Also just because you play to win doesn’t put you in a position to belittle others and put quotes around “for fun” or call their behavior stupid.
Again, you’re literally the only person who has (at least in this meta-conversation) suggested belittling people.
It is unreasonable to order/tell players to do supply runs if they find it to be boring. And that is different than asking all players to run supply from camps. You’re incorrect about the belittling point because you’re the one who put “for fun” in quotes and described the behavior of certain players as stupid.
And now you’re not making any attempts to further your argument. We’re also completely off topic to a thread that should have ended at when others suggested to politely tell people to stop taking supplies from the siege.
There you go claiming that certain people’s enjoyment is more important than others again. Requesting that players stop doing something that is strategically a huge problem is not unreasonable. Implying that helping players not play like an idiot is horribly wrong and offensive is just mind-boggling.
As for “for fun” quotes. Get this, I used quotation marks to indicate that I was quoting words you used. Apparently you weren’t aware that that’s what the punctuation is used for.
But this is very off topic and there’s no point in anyone listening to more of your explanations as to why the Hague needs to set up tribunals for people who have the audacity to request others stop engaging in a behavior that’s detrimental to their experience.
