Guild Wars 2

For the 5th consecutive week, the Tarnished Coast server has finished in third place to Jade Quarry and Blackgate. So what happens at the start of the new match?

We’re paired up with Blackgate and Jade Quarry. Fine. Whatever. I believe the number of people on each server dictates matchups and I have no problem with the matchup.

However, due to our team placing perma-third, we always end up the red color, with the red continent, and the red third of Eternal Battlegrounds. As such it is near impossible to map complete the remaining portion of Eternal Battlegrounds and two other continents.

So how long do I have to wait to get the remaining <1% of the world map? I have been on daily for over a month now and there are still 5 vistas and 2 POI’s (well guarded behind keep walls) protected by servers that maintain the living hell out of their capped territories…

Why not rotate or randomly assign territories at the reset of each WvW match? Or remove the WvW completion from the world exploration requirement? Or just once pair us up with a tier 2 server so were not perma-third?

It’s truly sad when it takes less time for me to farm the gold necessary to buy a precursor and the gift of fortune that it does to finish off <1% of the world map.

I just took a look at the matchup history here:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/36

oh look, TC has been green once during the past 7 weeks, blue 3 times and red 3 times. in the past 5 weeks TC has been blue twice.

so OP’s complaint about TC being red 5 times in a row is actually false, and the rest of this thread is therefore a bit pointless.

-ken

Gandara checking in 3rd week as Red, similarly perturbed.

Would love some rotation on the maps.

same thing happened to me.

been 5 weeks in red TC , what should i do to get that poi and vista in green color JQ castle ??..
the best i can get is outer keep of JQ, other than that is impossible. !

they say color rotation in WvW but what happened in here ?

The colors used to rotate…maybe they forgot to re-add that functionality.

It would be nice if they made it so that if a matchup was the same as the previous one, the colors would rotate.

Yay, Baglands again! Four weeks running, man. Gotta love it.

First solution is to get the rest of the server to not run every time they aren’t outnumbering the opponent. (This happens a ton in zerg fights and more often on TC as JQ is population mania. So it’s not your guys’ fault, Anet just needs to invent a system to create server balance.) You will win surprisingly more fights than you think you can. Your server should have a decent chance of winning with that in mind. Are you guys having a population issue? Cause if that’s the case you may end up in t2 eventually if 3rd is the only placement you get. I liked Anet’s old color rotation thing, wonder why they didn’t put it back in…

Honestly T2 would be the best thing right now for TC. A lot of us have said such. Anyone not saying such is only kidding themselves at the current time.

If they had a way to balance out server population better than maybe there could be variety in wvw matchups again. And map completion may not be as big a pain in the butt.

I would be up for a server population balance. I suggested offering Jade Quarry members an incentive to go to a smaller world to play. That way a smaller server has a chance to function correctly. They could also offer this to TC or BG as well. Seperately limiting the numbers allowed on the map could work too. If JQ has 50 and BG has 20 then 30 of those JQ are rerouted to EoTM

its was a really pain in the butt now.
felt like an idiot waiting and hoping for color rotation just for 1% lack of map completion for entirely 1 month.

not even once i can get myself to near that JQ keep gate without been killed by blob of JQ

Honestly a while back I had an idea for a map completion mode of WvW where you entered and could not be killed or kill. No combat allowed for those who take the mode, they would be given a white color and allowed to enter where they need to. If they tried to kill they would be forced out of map completion mode and then have to fend for themselves. I did have an idea for a set timer on it too. Any person who entered this mode would be given fifteen minutes to do what they needed and then they could not re-enter the mode until their daily reset.

I feel a safer approach would be the server balance and color rotation options specifically because it will solve the map completion problem and the match diversity problem satisfying both wvw and pve (by that I mean those looking for map completion) players

Well I fear WvW may get toxic if some rotation does not happen soon. Map chat gets pretty nasty sometimes because of the frustrations with the color not rotating.

Maybe we could get all three worlds to agree to a five minute window at reset where nothing gets defended and then all bets are off after that?

asking a bit much with my last?

Well nobody knows why you want to be in T1 anyway.

But for your question. It’s not impossible. Why do you think you deserve something you can’t take?

Phosphia.7813:

Well nobody knows why you want to be in T1 anyway.

But for your question. It’s not impossible. Why do you think you deserve something you can’t take?

u can say that if thats was for personal gain.

“you” in here mean a single person, do u think a single person can take a keep alone ?.
its not like im not doing anything, ive been every single day ol at wvw especially EB. hoping that our zerg can get that keep

Call it a short amount of time where all the worlds give players a chance to work toward map completion. It also would encourage PvErs to come check out WvW and feel safe enough to figure out if they want to stay. I was killed minutes into coming into WvW and thought of giving up but stuck with it. Five minutes is not much in a scheme of the week long match.

5weeks…. really man? I waited about 4months to get my map completion in wvw…

Underwolrd is red since the begining of 2013. Always last. Always weakest server. When will we get free transfer?

You can of course always transfer to a server with the wanted color, but this requires a bit of understanding how matches are made, as you cannot enter WvW in the match in which you transferred. Or go to the lowest tier were a 5 people party should be able to conquer everything during off time.

This may help to solve your problems if you don’t like to transfer:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/A-window-of-neutrality-in-WvW-for-mapping/4203244

Urejt.5648:

Underwolrd is red since the begining of 2013. Always last. Always weakest server. When will we get free transfer?

Wrong. You were green 4 weeks in March 2014, and blue two weeks in Feb. 2014.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/22

And in 2013 you were not the weakest server, your highest rank in 2013 was 14.

And if you finish this week like you started it, you will have a ~30% change for blue next week and a very small (maybe 1-2%) to be green.

atlrising.5134:

Call it a short amount of time where all the worlds give players a chance to work toward map completion. It also would encourage PvErs to come check out WvW and feel safe enough to figure out if they want to stay. I was killed minutes into coming into WvW and thought of giving up but stuck with it. Five minutes is not much in a scheme of the week long match.

Couple of contradictions in here:

1) it’s not “working” toward map completion if you’re asking for it to be handed to you

2) PvErs that “feel safe” in WvW won’t be getting an accurate sense of the experience, and will be in for a brutal shock if/when they decide to actually play. Said shock will put them off coming back.

And your idea really just lets people into enemy keeps to report back siege position and numbers. It takes hours to build up a structure with maximum upgrades and to ensure that the supply gets there, and someone with a free pass to roll around through it can undo that in “five minutes”. It is a lot in the scheme of a week long match.

Much better to organize the PvErs that need map completion into an event, and if you have any numbers (possibly bolstered by the existing WvW force and commanders) go and take the points you need. That way, you’ll get what you need and you’ll be giving the WvWers what they need. Quid pro quo.

Rimmy.9217:

atlrising.5134:

Call it a short amount of time where all the worlds give players a chance to work toward map completion. It also would encourage PvErs to come check out WvW and feel safe enough to figure out if they want to stay. I was killed minutes into coming into WvW and thought of giving up but stuck with it. Five minutes is not much in a scheme of the week long match.

Couple of contradictions in here:

1) it’s not “working” toward map completion if you’re asking for it to be handed to you

2) PvErs that “feel safe” in WvW won’t be getting an accurate sense of the experience, and will be in for a brutal shock if/when they decide to actually play. Said shock will put them off coming back.

And your idea really just lets people into enemy keeps to report back siege position and numbers. It takes hours to build up a structure with maximum upgrades and to ensure that the supply gets there, and someone with a free pass to roll around through it can undo that in “five minutes”. It is a lot in the scheme of a week long match.

Much better to organize the PvErs that need map completion into an event, and if you have any numbers (possibly bolstered by the existing WvW force and commanders) go and take the points you need. That way, you’ll get what you need and you’ll be giving the WvWers what they need. Quid pro quo.

a group of pvers is not taking a waypointed garry or ebg keep in tier 1, lol

atlrising.5134:

Honestly T2 would be the best thing right now for TC. A lot of us have said such. Anyone not saying such is only kidding themselves at the current time.

T2 might be good for people going for map completion but not for the WvWers of TC. The whole point of being in T1 is that there are sizable fights most hours of the day, where as if you go to T2 there are more holes in coverage that will amount for boring PvD for those timezones.

I was mainly referring to the population of the server diminishing. TC in example seems to be bleeding guilds at the moment. A step to T2 might help gain a renewed interest in WvW. In respond to the OP though some sort of map rotation needs to be put into place .

@OP

This is a good suggestion and has been made a number of times. Not sure why it is so hard for ANET to randomize who gets assigned what color each week.

If I gotten 1 dollar everytime I hear a PvE’er cry about not being able to take green keep PoI/Vista, I’d be rich today…

Sometimes I wish Anet would just remove WvW from map completion, so I don’t have to hear the same QQ over and over again because my server is never green and we never get the green keep in Eternal Battleground. But then again, I rather have them to suffer what I’ve suffered instead of seeing the map completion being handed to them. I’ve had to fight for mine, everyone that have it fought for it, so they have to fight for theirs aswell.

Jeknar.6184:

If I gotten 1 dollar everytime I hear a PvE’er cry about not being able to take green keep PoI/Vista, I’d be rich today…

Sometimes I wish Anet would just remove WvW from map completion, so I don’t have to hear the same QQ over and over again because my server is never green and we never get the green keep in Eternal Battleground. But then again, I rather have them to suffer what I’ve suffered instead of seeing the map completion being handed to them. I’ve had to fight for mine, everyone that have it fought for it, so they have to fight for theirs aswell.

Right? I’d love an official noclip mode to skate through PvE for quick map completion too, so I could get map rewards without actually doing anything.

Jeknar.6184:

If I gotten 1 dollar everytime I hear a PvE’er cry about not being able to take green keep PoI/Vista, I’d be rich today…

Sometimes I wish Anet would just remove WvW from map completion, so I don’t have to hear the same QQ over and over again because my server is never green and we never get the green keep in Eternal Battleground. But then again, I rather have them to suffer what I’ve suffered instead of seeing the map completion being handed to them. I’ve had to fight for mine, everyone that have it fought for it, so they have to fight for theirs aswell.

By fighting for yours, do you mean join +550 PPT server for free (and transfer back the same day) in the first few months of the game? Staying up late for Australian PvDoor karma train? Because this is how most of us did ours, until servers started recruiting for more coverage, transfer fees/cooldowns were implemented, and ratings became more stable.

Cattlepult bugged in Diessa? 99.9% world complete? Just keep transferring servers until you find one that isn’t!

But these newer players who are hopelessly stuck on one color every week? Screw them because we already got ours done, right?

DaveGan.8065:

By fighting for yours, do you mean join +550 PPT server for free (and transfer back the same day) in the first few months of the game? Staying up late for Australian PvDoor karma train? Because this is how most of us did ours, until servers started recruiting for more coverage, transfer fees/cooldowns were implemented, and ratings became more stable.

Cattlepult bugged in Diessa? 99.9% world complete? Just keep transferring servers until you find one that isn’t!

But these newer players who are hopelessly stuck on one color every week? Screw them because we already got ours done, right?

You’re quick to assume things you don’t know… I admit my first 100% was easy since I was on BG during the infamous BG/ET/HoD week.

But I don’t have just one character with 100%, and all my other ones were made on Eredon Terrace, and solely on it… A server that been stuck on red (with seldon bounces on blue) for over a year. I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

I find funny that with so many people that need the same thing (principally on the servers that are perpetually the same color), they don’t group up and atempt to do it. Instead they prefer to come here and cry about how they think it is unfair that they can’t get. Maybe if the PvE’rs weren’t so scared of fighting people for their completion, they would already have done it.

TL;DR – Stop crying, band with other players that also need it and make your atempt. Stop asking for things to be handed to you.

Jeknar.6184:

I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

Cool story. Now try to do that on TC against JQ or BG.

Blix.8021:

Jeknar.6184:

I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

Cool story. Now try to do that on TC against JQ or BG.

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

Jeknar.6184:

Blix.8021:

Jeknar.6184:

I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

Cool story. Now try to do that on TC against JQ or BG.

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

You don’t understand. It’s not about how many people TC can muster. They can muster an entire map queue, it doesn’t matter. EBG keeps rarely flip in tier 1 unless the server is being double teamed. It took JQ and TC like 3 hours of combined spawn camping to take BGs keep last week. And they only had the keep for ~5 minutes and then JQ flipped it from TC, then BG took it back some time after.

So unless your suggesting the OP organize a full map zerg from TC and a full map zerg of another server to 2v1 for 3+ hours so he can get a vista for 5 minutes, you have nothing useful to offer. Your low tier experience is irrelevant.

Jeknar.6184:

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

I guess lower ranked servers just have a better community.

Jeknar.6184:

Blix.8021:

Jeknar.6184:

I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

Cool story. Now try to do that on TC against JQ or BG.

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

Have you ever fought a full map queue of people in comms together? T3 home keeps rarely get taken without a double team, it’s that hard. It’s simple not about population at this point but cooperation. How many PvE players are going to be willing to change their armor, weapons, trinkets, traits and utility skills as well as join in comms and actually follow commands? Near impossible (a few would, majority won’t). Instead, commanders get abused in chat by the ‘play-how-I-want’ people when they try rally people and advertise their server’s comms.

It’s so much easier when your opponent can’t rally a zerg big enough to defend.

Reverence.6915:

Jeknar.6184:

Blix.8021:

Jeknar.6184:

I fought for all my other 100%. I even bought a tag, rallied the people and razed that stupid green keep during NA primetime.

Cool story. Now try to do that on TC against JQ or BG.

The people from the server helped and we were able to do it. I’m pretty sure TC can muster waaaaaaay more people than ET ever will. Now, if your server don’t want to cooperate with you, that’s not my problem…

Have you ever fought a full map queue of people in comms together? T3 home keeps rarely get taken without a double team, it’s that hard. It’s simple not about population at this point but cooperation. How many PvE players are going to be willing to change their armor, weapons, trinkets, traits and utility skills as well as join in comms and actually follow commands? Near impossible (a few would, majority won’t). Instead, commanders get abused in chat by the ‘play-how-I-want’ people when they try rally people and advertise their server’s comms.

It’s so much easier when your opponent can’t rally a zerg big enough to defend.

Or, since we all know that double-teams occur, organize one. Set it up as an event, get your numbers on who wants to go (and then who actually shows up), do your best to organize the parties and decide on the objectives ahead of time. And just do it.

This isn’t rocket science. And if you’ve managed to keep honourably good relations with the server that you’re hitting for the POIs, maybe they’d be on board with people drilling holes in their walls (and not capping) if the favour was returned for their own people.

Just saying.

lol @ the condescension that this guy has

Sorry, TC players, it’s too unreasonable to request that the colors change more than once every 2 months, instead you have to coordinate 300 people to 2v1 for hours on end so that you might get a 5 minute window to cap the thing you need. It’s not rocket science.

if TC has been getting red over and over, that’s just bad luck. they should get red most of the time, blue sometimes, and green rarely.

chance	green				blue				red
42.95%	Jade Quarry		Blackgate			Tarnished Coast
21.76%	Jade Quarry		Tarnished Coast	Blackgate
20.33%	Blackgate			Jade Quarry		Tarnished Coast
5.93%	Blackgate			Tarnished Coast	Jade Quarry
6.29%	Tarnished Coast	Jade Quarry		Blackgate
2.73%	Tarnished Coast	Blackgate			Jade Quarry

-ken

Blix.8021:

lol @ the condescension that this guy has

Sorry, TC players, it’s too unreasonable to request that the colors change more than once every 2 months, instead you have to coordinate 300 people to 2v1 for hours on end so that you might get a 5 minute window to cap the thing you need. It’s not rocket science.

You don’t need to cap things to get the PoIs or vistas. If you don’t need the vistas all you need to do is bust into the keep, which, while difficult, isn’t something that unusual.

Tibstrike.2974:

You don’t need to cap things to get the PoIs or vistas. If you don’t need the vistas all you need to do is bust into the keep, which, while difficult, isn’t something that unusual.

That remind me when I followed the blue team (I was on red) inside Jerrifer’s just to get the vista while they capped the tower. Was funny…

Jeknar.6184:

DaveGan.8065:

By fighting for yours, do you mean join +550 PPT server for free (and transfer back the same day) in the first few months of the game? Staying up late for Australian PvDoor karma train? Because this is how most of us did ours, until servers started recruiting for more coverage, transfer fees/cooldowns were implemented, and ratings became more stable.

Cattlepult bugged in Diessa? 99.9% world complete? Just keep transferring servers until you find one that isn’t!

But these newer players who are hopelessly stuck on one color every week? Screw them because we already got ours done, right?

You’re quick to assume things you don’t know… I admit my first 100% was easy since I was on BG during the infamous BG/ET/HoD week.

The first is the one that matters, and I seem to have nailed my assumption.

Further justifications and excuses can be placed in an abandoned and overflowing garbage disposal somewhere in Detroit.

Screw everyone else though, right?