Guild Wars 2

Currently as I see it, the outmanned buff is: (correct me if I am wrong, just from memory)

+20% Magic find
+33% Experience
+33% Karma

What does this exactly do to help a server that is outmanned in WvW? Especially with all of the transfers going on, some servers are being left out in the cold with virtually no one playing WvW, and if there are people playing they are all congregated on one map trying to take a handful of points, while the other two maps are deserted by that server. Its typical for the outmanned server to band together, take one or two points but then have them steamrolled by the other server or two. Not because of lack of strategy. Its because, and for lack of better words, we are outmanned! We just don’t have the numbers and this plays a huge role in WvW. Theres no denying it.

The outmanned buff needs to add in things to give the WvW players of that server a fighting chance at taking some keeps against overwhelming odds. Something like 20% damage boost, 5% damage reduction, 5% reduction in supply cost to build siege. If a server, which otherwise wouldn’t have a prayer in competing, had a fighting chance, took a few points, took a garry or two…expanded to another map…maybe other people who have been dis-enfranchised with their server’s lack of WvW presence and success, would log in and contribute! Eventually, enough people from the server would join in, and the outmanned buff would be auto removed. The server now has presence in more than just one map, and a decent presence. This is now fostering healthy competition. This would also aid in servers that simply do not have overnight guilds and presence. You can look at my recent posts to see what server I transferred from and to. I logged off last night with confidence because our server made a good push to re-take half of our border lands. This morning, one server had control over everything. On all maps. My only guess is they have good oceanic. Outmanned would not necessarily help combat against guilds that have a great oceanic presence, and it isnt a one stop fix…but its a great start and MIGHT give those that play overnight a decent chance to retain some points.

Thoughts? Should more benefits be added to the outmanned buff? What should it be? Is the buff completely bogus and should be removed? Should they just forget the outmanned buff and think of other ways to help these servers? Or is transferring one’s only option?

The topic of fixing outmanned has been brought up many, many times, with ideas such as switching it with the old orb buffs, etc

Honestly atm i dont think we’ll be seeing a change to this anytime soon. In regards to massively outmanned servers, everyone should begin drifting to their correct tiers in the upcoming weeks – the main challenge will be keeping people on board while you get smashed for a bit, i know on DR we’re losing a lot of people because of kain.

At some point a fix to outmanned would be nice so it actually helps the outmanned team, but in the end i cant see a point they could scale it to where it would actually help that much in a true outmanned scenario. A raidboss commander with invuln siege cant help us being outnumbered over 5 to 1 against kain, so i doubt +20% dmg would help either :P

In the same boat I see.

Well, in addition to +might, -dmg reduction, I had suggested maybe a reduction to siege weapon cost.

If a group of 5 people could easily buildup a ram or two, take a tower easily, if the enemy server is focused elsewhere. It by no means will be the saving grace…but it would give the outmanned server something to do at least.

And I am not even sure things like server merges would even help. My server seems to have a healthy PVE population. Its just WvW that is suffering. Maybe for WvW only, merge two servers together… keep them merged together. WvW only. So it would be something like IoJ & Devona’s Rest vs Maguuma vs Yaks Bend.

outmanned buff = 2v1 incoming on your team on that map.

It’s basically saying we don’t have presence here, so take our towers!!