Guild Wars 2

Hi,

my previous thread has been erased because of the “non petition rule” stuff.

So i’ll say it clear and simple : please A-Net, block NA->EU and EU->NA guild transfers.

THIS is not what you promised us before releasing the game.

GW2 was supposed to have 2 separate timezones and ladders but it’s nonsense if we have massive migrations of US guilds to EU servers or EU to NA, and for country-tagged servers [SP] [DE] [FR] this is going to be their death as competitive servers.

Please, clarify and tell us what you have in mind about that.

I agree that a clarification is required.
Block IPs maybe, or merge ladders, one way or the other, so the whole system makes sense.

Actually they said buying the game was region locked i.e. Euros would would buy from the Euro store and not the US and vice versa so they have 2 different support teams to deal with people in your region and not for example a German speaking person asking the US based help service for advice in German.

They always maintained you could play on either US or EU servers no matter where your from so you can play with your friends.

I am a Euro that just so happens to be a part of a largely American dominated Guild. Its been that way for 14 years, are you saying i’m not allowed to play with them anymore? I agree that perhaps there is a solution to what you are alluding to, but forced segregation is not the answer.

I’m not talking about that.
I’m just saying, after you activate your account and choose your timezone, you wouldn’t be able to migrate to the other one.

i’m agree with kerex. Anet should do something or it will be the end of the FR / DE / SP servers.

but too many posts without answers from Anet. I’m afraid that this post will be burned in their trashbox like the others.

so Anet please give us an official ANSWER about this question !

So i’ll say it clear and simple : please A-Net, block NA→EU and EU→NA guild transfers.

And what would you do about the oceanics/asians and others? Because technically, it’s asians that are the night time on NA servers, EU are the morning time (whereas NA are the night time in EU).

Another timezone, perhaps ?
Btw, i’m not saying: you can’t choose EU timezone as your “home zone” when you’re a NA player.
I’m just saying (again): block TRANSFERS between timezones.

I see this same thread every day...it’s getting obnoxious.

3 of the top 4 European servers are either [FR] or [DE}.
That alone proves there is no problem.

Many people joined the guilds or servers of their favourite oversea game critics or worldwide guilds. If you don’t region lock but block transfers between regions, there will be very few servers who ahve a massive advantage because of those people, without allowing others to get their own reinforcements to counter this.

Peetee.9406:

I see this same thread every day…it’s getting obnoxious.

3 of the top 4 European servers are either [FR] or [DE}.
That alone proves there is no problem.

This is not going to last long.
Blacktide and Desolation just received lots of people from overseas’ guilds.
It was not the case before last week.

Anyway i’m not asking you to clarify something you don’t have any involvment in.

Genev: this is not an good example. Nobody blocks people to transfer from an EU server to another. You can recruit people from your own ladder…

I repeat – Blacktide has no significant American population that I know of. Our recent transfers are EU/Russian.
(I even checked because i wasn’t entirely sure about 1 of the new major EU guilds)

I am however cajoling 1 American friend of mine into transfering to Blacktide. On his own.

Kerex: But if you, as an American, are playing on an American server, and you’re up against one of the wordlwide communities, should you not be able to get reinforcements? You’re not going to get it from those communities, they’re happily playing together, your only choice is to look outside of them – EU servers, or individual EU guilds who settled on the American servers…. but those individual guilds are often going to be pretty happy where they are, so all that’s left is the EU servers.
But you don’t want them to have a fighting chance?

(“you” being the hypothetical you btw, not you as a person, i know you’re not American or on an American server)

Agree they have to do something. WvW is boooring now with this crap

So you’re saying that my friend, who lives in the US and whom I have played online games with for over 8 years may not play with me anymore? You do know that this sounds an awful lot like a communist regime.

You want to know a better solution? Make every server International.

Why should the rest of the world be forced to change, just because you chose to play on a localized server?

ArenaNet themselves have stated that people are allowed to play where they want to play and that WvW was designed to be 24 hours a day.

Forcing people into servers based on timezones would only make this game (and WvW) worse, not better.

ATM WvW is unbalanced and not competitive at all because of that : “we have massive migrations of US guilds to EU servers or EU to NA, and for country-tagged servers [SP] [DE] [FR] this is going to be their death as competitive servers.”
What does ArenaNet think about it ???!!!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Night-Capping-and-YOU/first

Click the down arrows for more in what ANet thinks of it.

Genev.2450:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Night-Capping-and-YOU/first

Click the down arrows for more in what ANet thinks of it.

Can you quote what message exactly I can’t find it.

I agree with OP. ANet should do something about it, either merge ladder and feel the wrath of the DE/FR/SP community or create a new system which do not allow large guild to migrate to a different ladder whithout blocking individual who want to play with their friend worldwide.

Tough call !

I was basically being rude and pointing out that ANet has told us that they consider this a 24/7 game

They also mention that they are working on WvW to make it work for everybody, and i’m sure the localised servers will not be left behind in that.

24/7 game is different from NA moving to EU and vice versa. ANet did not meant that else they would have never separated ladder in 2.

No, but they should’ve guessed that this would happen as people play together worldwide. Though they might not have meant it to be like that, if they really wanted to stop it, they should’ve region locked.

And then we’d hear whining about the Oceanics, Asians and Russians though, I’m sure

People, people, he’s from Elona Reach, he’s just upset about ER not having been able to take control of the entire WvW map during off peak at the end of last week with their huge 12am – 6am zergs because Far Shiverpeaks and I think Blacktide as well began consolidating their efforts into one borderland to counteract this.

Agreed with the OP.
Almost everyone on tagged language servers is waiting for a decision :
- either and international ranking with no tagged server
- or a timezone you have to select (something like NA or EU…owait that does exist) and you can not move from.

Of course this is a tough choice, and some people will be upset by it. But there will still be less upset people than right now.

Genev.2450:

No, but they should’ve guessed that this would happen as people play together worldwide. Though they might not have meant it to be like that, if they really wanted to stop it, they should’ve region locked.

And then we’d hear whining about the Oceanics, Asians and Russians though, I’m sure

They did lock region in first stage of beta but there was too much whine about it. Of course people did not know at that time that NA/EU moving to an other bracket would have such impact.
But yeah, ANet should have known that.

I really don’t know why they don’t implement this and block NA => EU and EU=> NA transfers ( and not creation, for those who want to play somewhere else.)

It’s not a problem for anyone , takes two seconds to implement, and block a major problem of today and even more tomorrow’s WvW

You can feel it a lot more on EU ladder since 95% of the players are on the same 4 or 5 timezones. We are not speaking about 5 people who wants to play with their friends, since they can directly create there, but massive amounts of people moving on purpose for an easy win. Come on, a bus of 100+ US guys at 4am every morning, is it really fun for us or even them ?

If this goes on on EU ladder and since FR DE and ES will never be able to adapt, they can have the solution to move massively to an US server who will transform into an FR DE or ES server, making things even more messier. Who wants that ?

No Anet promised us 24/7 battlegrounds. The problem is they forgot to make them 24/7. What they need to do is scrap the current setup and make only global homeservers. Thus ensuring that every server has a 24/7 presence.

This thread again. :/

The game is a 24/7 game, if you wish to be at the top you have to have people who can fight at all times of the day (and night). If this does not appeal to you, the top tier is not for you and you’ll get a lot better fights in the lower tiers. And those of us who play to win, we get to have our fun in the top tiers.

I think ANET should ignore this thread and shut it down like it did with the previous one you made.

It seems there was no problems a few weeks ago but now that you are losing there is an issue. That’s called poor sportsmanship.

I think we will adapt.
But right now like others said already, Anet must decide whether we keep this time zone barrier (and then act to make it effective) or we all jump in an unique international ladder.

It seems there was no problems a few weeks ago but now that you are losing there is an issue. That’s called poor sportsmanship.
NA population on EU server is new. You of all people should know that.

Exactly, this is not about RUIN, this is not about Vizunah/Arborstone/Desolation.

This is about making a choice : A single ladder or an IP block. The system as it is doesn’t make sense, which I think is why so many threads end up like they do.

I think you should refrain yourself and stop being insulting, KnightFire. BTW, from a RUIN member, poor sportsmanship is a compliment.

And Vayra, i don’t have any problem with nightcapping, if it’s the result of a good organization and dedication. But not if it’s made in EU by US primetimers.
As an Elona Reach player, i suffered VS nightcapping but i knew it was their EU “nightshift” players, not a random US guilds hired for this.

Some people on my server are starting to think we should migrate to NA and mess up the NA ladder with “morning cap” EU zergs. I’m not the “one eye for an eye” kind of man, but if the only way to help everybody understand that allowing massive migrations between timezones is a big mistake, is to migrate and do the same… err: ok with that.

kerex.8150:

Some people on my server are starting to think we should migrate to NA and mess up the NA ladder with “morning cap” EU zergs. I’m not the “one eye for an eye” kind of man, but if the only way to help everybody understand that allowing massive migrations between timezones is a big mistake, is to migrate and do the same… err: ok with that.

If you have a problem with EU servers recruiting NA players, there’s not much you can accomplish by taking it out on unrelated NA players. It’s not like the people you have problems with are going to care. Also, NA servers like Fort Aspenwood need EU players to be competitive. You’d actually be welcomed with open arms.

kerex.8150:

And Vayra, i don’t have any problem with nightcapping, if it’s the result of a good organization and dedication. But not if it’s made in EU by US primetimers.
As an Elona Reach player, i suffered VS nightcapping but i knew it was their EU “nightshift” players, not a random US guilds hired for this.

And the diplomacy and behind-the-scenes work involved in getting US guilds over is not good organization and dedication?

Arcadio.6875:

Also, NA servers like Fort Aspenwood need EU players to be competitive. You’d actually be welcomed with open arms.

This, my friend, is what i do not understand at all.
Why do they need EU player to be competitive ?
If we have 2 timezones, 2 ladders, it’s because players from NA mostly play during NA primetimes and EU players during EU primetimes.
If Fort aspenwood needs night players, they can recruit NA “night” players.

Vayra: recruiting RUIN is not a proof of anything but… err, sorry i can’t say that here.

Please consider these simple things: why did A-Net create 2 ladders if we end up by mixing NA and EU guilds? Why did they offer country-tagged servers if they are condemned to choose between becoming international ones or low tier ones?

kerex.8150:

Arcadio.6875:

Also, NA servers like Fort Aspenwood need EU players to be competitive. You’d actually be welcomed with open arms.

This, my friend, is what i do not understand at all.
Why do they need EU player to be competitive ?
If we have 2 timezones, 2 ladders, it’s because players from NA mostly play during NA primetimes and EU players during EU primetimes.
If Fort aspenwood needs night players, they can recruit NA “night” players.

Our competition isn’t simply staying up late. They have EU/Oceanic/Asian players. Fort Aspenwood is in the unfortunate situation where we have relatively few non-NA players compared to the servers in the tiers we end up in. Our NA force is too strong to ever drop down to a tier where we may actually have equal non-NA players. The only thing we can do at this point is do what the competition is doing and recruit players in other time zones.

I dislike how when I log on there’s no one on GoM sometimes but BP is out en masse. To me the real issue is Anet has matched servers up against eachother who don’t have correlating time zones (or even remotely similar).

I mean I could deal with EU vs NA servers but NA vs Asian? really…that’s a huge time gap which basically means he action will rarely interact.

I’d suggest a system where EU can vs NA, EU or Asian/Oceanic, NA can vs NA, or EU, Asian/Oceanic can vs Asian/Oceanic or EU.

None of this our day=your night crap.

kerex.8150:

I think you should refrain yourself and stop being insulting, KnightFire. BTW, from a RUIN member, poor sportsmanship is a compliment.

And Vayra, i don’t have any problem with nightcapping, if it’s the result of a good organization and dedication. But not if it’s made in EU by US primetimers.
As an Elona Reach player, i suffered VS nightcapping but i knew it was their EU “nightshift” players, not a random US guilds hired for this.

Some people on my server are starting to think we should migrate to NA and mess up the NA ladder with “morning cap” EU zergs. I’m not the “one eye for an eye” kind of man, but if the only way to help everybody understand that allowing massive migrations between timezones is a big mistake, is to migrate and do the same… err: ok with that.

Oh so it’s not the fact that you have a problem with nightcapping YOU just have a problem with nightcapping because North Americans did it. There’s a word for that you think you’re a smart guy you should be able to at least Google the answer.

As for being called unsportsmanlike from a RUIN member as a compliment I don’t really get where you’re coming from there because this has nothing to do with my guild it has to do with your comments based on the fact that I like in North America (Canada to be more specific).

The fact that you seem to point out my guild seems to suggest that this is not really an NA → EU transfer problem your having issue with it’s a getting beat problem you have.

My previous comments hold even more weight now. Thanks!

yes we dont have a problem with nightcapping in eu done from eu ppl cause they do it in same time they would sleep too and ranking was balanced

like in realwar you know?
Or you think when you americans go to next country bringing them your cool democracy can all go sleep at night and ask europeans to do it while you sleeping?

seperate eu and us ranking and everything is fine – and remove from eu servers the us guilds which are alraedy here cause they are only here for the easy way and dont wanna do it how game is designed – ya know? ppl vs ppl – they want ppl vs doors

Terrible thread.
You either merge the US and EU servers or keep it as is. Anet has already PROMISED that players have the freedom to play on whichever server they choose. Accept it and dont get so fixated on rankings and just have fun in a Tier that you will play in when you inevitably drop OR transfer to a server will more complete coverage or stay where you are and complaining incessantly about losing because you cant accept the reality that this is an international game.

inbetween.5623:

Terrible thread.
You either merge the US and EU servers or keep it as is. Anet has already PROMISED that players have the freedom to play on whichever server they choose. Accept it and dont get so fixated on rankings and just have fun in a Tier that you will play in when you inevitably drop OR transfer to a server will more complete coverage or stay where you are and complaining incessantly about losing because you cant accept the reality that this is an international game.

You either merge the ladders or block the transfer, the WWW now is in a kitten inbetween state where a single guild can crap on all the EU ladder that was fine before with nice matchs just for the pleasure of winning easily ( there is not even one good excuse)

it’s an international game ? merge the ladders, take out FR ES DE tags and lets have a full 24 hour zerg.

You separate your game in two regions ? so keep it separate !

simple.

And what about Oceanic players?

Avatara.1042:

And what about Oceanic players?

Again ,you can create where you want, the problem is from the free and easy transfer.

Everyone plays at different times. Some people “prime time” is the middle of the day. Others work during that time. People work different shifts. Or they play based on when their kids sleep.

I understand separating servers for language or if ping is a huge issue…but having a population that’s stable 24 hours is only a good thing.

NatashaK.9418:

Everyone plays at different times. Some people “prime time” is the middle of the day. Others work during that time. People work different shifts. Or they play based on when their kids sleep.

I understand separating servers for language or if ping is a huge issue…but having a population that’s stable 24 hours is only a good thing.

so let’s do a same and only ladder, fine by me.

even if, when you look really at the big picture, EU ladder is fine ( or at least WAS fine), NA ladder has a lot of problems, and it’s EU ladder who has less timezones.

i don’t think merging is the best solution, but at least it’s a solution.

The “One ladder” and “get full 24/7 coverage” has a big issue : it clearly kittens up all the localized servers (and that’s the topic of this thread)
So, although they may seem a solution for all English speaking server, where there is no language barrier and can be “worldwide”, the localized servers are sentenced to remain only 1 timezone covered.

Those localized servers represent 50% of EU ladder. Some of them are currently dominating EU ladder, Vizunah Square has even won a matchup against all odds, mobilizing all their troops, they beat an EU/US server with a lot more 24/7 geographic coverage.
But more US and worldwide guilds are coming to the EU ladder, soon to be called “worldwide”… and localized servers won’t be able to remain competitive.

please ANet, what are you going to do for those servers that are 1/4 of you GW2 population ?

Gwal.2813:

please ANet, what are you going to do for those servers that are 1/4 of you GW2 population ?

not saying anything and waiting for it to resolve by itself ?

hope not but…

i hope they understand that a massive amount of french and deutch are here for the WvW, and they will not stay on this game if the ladder starts to be totally broken.

The Germans are probably the only ones with problems there, French Canadians are supposedly as kitten about French as the French themselves are, and there are Spanish speakers world-wide as well.

Though I imagine at this point all those people are happily settled.

Edit: Decided to censor myself, you’d think that word would be censored considering some of the words you can’t write here o.O

Genev.2450:

The Germans are probably the only ones with problems there, French Canadians are supposedly as kitten about French as the French themselves are, and there are Spanish speakers world-wide as well.

Though I imagine at this point all those people are happily settled.

Edit: Decided to censor myself, you’d think that word would be censored considering some of the words you can’t write here o.O

Only part of Canada speaks french (mainly Quebec), and Quebec guilds are all playing on US servers.
Even “Armata”, 30 ppl guild that migrated to AS 2 weeks ago, has gone back to playing on US servers.
Not that we wouldn’t want to have Canadian guilds : both AS and VS have invited them to join FR servers, but it seems they are not interested
So yes, it seems FR can only count on their local forces like Germany

About Spain : I’m pretty sure there is no MMO community from Latin America

I think all the localized servers are on a dead-end here

I’m aware of not all Canadians speaking French, still, there’s a fairly large area with does, and I wouldn’t be surprised that if there were worldwide french servers, which had more French Canadians for them to play with and enemies to play against….

Edit: The post below reminded me of this: It’s been pointed out to me that the Russian timezone spans over 12 hours. Currently they apparently cover 19 hours/day on our server, quite easily.

Avatara.1042:

And what about Oceanic players?

Yes that also a big problem for those. But there was no Oceanic since start and it was decided by community that they join US server (better ping).
Because both NA and Oceanic are in the same bracket , I think it is less an issue as opposed to EU brackets where it was clearly designed to hold EU community.

But again, I do agree that is not perfect which is why ANet need to do something about the whole situation and not just stay silent or remove thread like those to ignore the issue.

Oceanic players on US are like Russian players on EU, they don’t exactly have the same time zone but we are not speaking about a massive amount of players zerging at 5am. It’s fine as it is now.