Guild Wars 2

While they might just have been a ‘title’ for many and just something that cluttered their screens. For me it had a much deeper meaning and it gave my enemies a “personality”.

I’m mostly a solo / small group roamer. I do play with the zergs when they’re in need of help, but most of the time I’m the guy that will distract / capture smaller objectives in the background. Whenever I faced enemies, my first observation was what kind of title they were using. Secondly, their guild tag and third (sometimes I won’t be even bother, but on special occasions) their current WvW rank (Legendary weapons is something I observe as well). Based on their title shown alone, I can draw tons of conclusions of what kind of enemy I’m up against before even engaging.
For example:

If I see a Mesmer roaming alone around with the title “Champion Illusionist”. Then I know he’s confident enough in his skills to play alone. He has played enough PvP to most likely know his class very well. Engaging a fight with him might end up being difficult and should proceed with caution.
But if I would see a Warrior going around with “Champion Illusionist”, then the first thing I check is their WvW rank. If it’s a low rank, then it means it isn’t his main and he’s just testing this class out. Meaning, engaging him has a higher probability for me to beat him.

Another one would be for example I see three guys roaming together and they’re all using “Dungeon Master” title. Then it means they play together and are organized. Most likely using some kind of voice communication tool. Engaging would be extremely dangerous and avoiding them would probably be the best choice. In addition if they all have the same tag, then it’s a danger sign to not engage alone. Even if they’re not very experienced in WvW, their organized gameplay would end up compensating for it.

Last example, I see someone going around with the title “Emissary of the Mad King”. My first conclusion is that this is not an active player and usually just plays during events. Why’s that? While it is a nice title (and he could just be using it because he just likes it after all), it has been proven otherwise many times. Because it means he doesn’t have other (or many) titles to choose from, so he picks the lesser evil of the lot.
So he’s either just completing his monthly / daily and won’t really be of any danger.

So while I do understand that titles is a cluttered circus in big zergs. I find it to be a great thing for smaller skirmishes and bringing the game much more depth.
So please do consider bringing titles back, it gives a certain motivation for WvW players to show off their ‘best’ titles and to further give themselves a much needed personality rather than just being another server warrior.

for god sake no need! you name it indeed: it’s a cluttered circus!!
Fair enough that you can point ur mouse to a player to see his title…

I used to display “combat healer” to trick people like you (not trying to sound harsh here) to engage me recklessly; i also have my toons equipped with heritage or low level skins to look like the newest of new players. When titles disappeared and the option to show placeholders instead characters armor came, I lost my steady income of lootbags when roaming alone. So, i’m partially on your side: i’d like to have an option to toggle their display.

Lara said it, if you have a need to see the enemy title, focus him and see the title!
This should be not difficult in a 1vs1 situation.
But it should not be shown for everyone in a zerg.

Of course an individual option would be better:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Display-Options-to-Hide-titles-Dead-Names/1713033

Hm… bringing back titles into WvW? Let me think about that for a moment…

How about…

Hell no, really don’t care if you’re an apprentice toymaker tbh.

Well..then atleast give us the option to enable/disable the ability for us to see the titles.I didn’t like it personally,way to much txt clutter with big zergs,but if some prefer..why not give us the option.

I don’t want pointless titles to clutter my screen. I don’t care at all if you’re a toymaker, a champion, an amazing 1v1 duelist, a map completionist, a zerger, a roamer, ect… I just want to smash your skull in when you’re charging into me.

Heck, I wouldn’t even mind if they switch the guildtags off.

I really like it better now when the titles are not showing. It removes clutter from screen.

From previous experience I have noticed that the champion xxx titles really don’t correlate that much with WvWvW gaming skill. I have been able to beat most of the champion players in 1-vs-1. Granted a true 1-vs-1 occurs rarely in euro tier #1 and 2vs1 or 3vs1 is already unfair and some professions are better suited for duels than others. You can also never know if the enemy has their most important skills on a cooldown or not when you initiate the combat and that can affect the end result as well.

It was same in Guild Wars 1. A lot of players had sync farmed their gladiator ranks. Gladiator rank 6, 8 and 9, 10 whatever. All beatable, because most good players are very predictable, use the same overused and overpowered builds and strategies (you just need to play something more unique and sort of antithesis to counter their play, then you can win them even when your own skill level is lower than theirs). I was myself gladiator rank 8 and never synced, because I consider it cheating. Pity Team Arena (TA) is gone.

I think showing off an “inferior” title e.g. combat healer, volunteer, traveler has been a very common strategy to lure in an enemy player, who thinks “gee, here is an easy victim…”

I want you all to know, that I am your emperor

Kai.9182:

Hell no, really don’t care if you’re an apprentice toymaker tbh.

Combat healer, thank you very much. And Volunteer.

Fair enough, I guess the majority didn’t like it. As most enjoy following the blue tag and just fight big zergs, I should’ve guessed that small skirmishes / solo runs are not as popular.
But in big zergs it’s already as cluttered as can be and as an argument to the ones saying ‘hell no, clutters screen’. Then you can easily just say ‘turn off player names then and problem solved’.

I do think titles deserve their spot in WvW as well (in addition to the point mentioned earlier), some can be pretty time consuming and people like to show them off. Just like people like to show off their Legendaries as well. Or will it eventually reach a point where almost everyone will have a Twilight and people will complain that the effects clutter too much in WvW and demand Legendary graphics to be removed as well?

As I see it, people don’t want titles in WvW cause it clutters the screen. But in the zergs I’ve seen in T1, it’s already cluttered enough with 100+ players. So having title clutter is insignificant (as stabbing a person to death and then stabbing him ten extra times). If it really bothered you that much, you would suggest to turn off player names in options which is the same groundless argument as removing titles cause it clutters the screen.

Naturally player names appearing are more important. But titles can be just as meaningful.

Blackwyn.8127:

Fair enough, I guess the majority didn’t like it. As most enjoy following the blue tag and just fight big zergs, I should’ve guessed that small skirmishes / solo runs are not as popular.
But in big zergs it’s already as cluttered as can be and as an argument to the ones saying ‘hell no, clutters screen’. Then you can easily just say ‘turn off player names then and problem solved’.

I do think titles deserve their spot in WvW as well (in addition to the point mentioned earlier), some can be pretty time consuming and people like to show them off. Just like people like to show off their Legendaries as well. Or will it eventually reach a point where almost everyone will have a Twilight and people will complain that the effects clutter too much in WvW and demand Legendary graphics to be removed as well?

As I see it, people don’t want titles in WvW cause it clutters the screen. But in the zergs I’ve seen in T1, it’s already cluttered enough with 100+ players. So having title clutter is insignificant (as stabbing a person to death and then stabbing him ten extra times). If it really bothered you that much, you would suggest to turn off player names in options which is the same groundless argument as removing titles cause it clutters the screen.

Naturally player names appearing are more important. But titles can be just as meaningful.

So You think that “against titles”=mindless zerger and “wants titles”=“a pro, small group player”? I don’t particulary care about my enemy title – what I care is how skilled he/she is and that I will see in combat.

Also – almost all people getting Twilight/other legendary weapon? Many wvw players leave wvw only to ask people in LA to help defend/atack some keep/tower. So somehow I don’t see this situation happening soon.

I know skilled players who used to run basic looking armor and a simple PvE title as a bluff.

Nameplates: red == dead

I don’t really care about the titles tbh, I wish I could disable legendaries though :p

Chopps.5047:

Kai.9182:

Hell no, really don’t care if you’re an apprentice toymaker tbh.

Combat healer, thank you very much. And Volunteer.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37571458.jpg

When it comes to soloing in WvW and you run into another enemy player who is doing the same, simply click on them and their title will appear at the top of the screen with the other info.

So anet have already given you the option to check their title so see if they have a high rank before you think you can handle them.

Blackwyn.8127:

I’m mostly a solo / small group roamer. I do play with the zergs when they’re in need of help, but most of the time I’m the guy that will distract / capture smaller objectives in the background. Whenever I faced enemies, my first observation was what kind of title they were using.

if this were true you’d know that you can see the title of the player you’re targeting

@Zgorzel
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I was saying that smaller groups are more ‘pro’. I was merely saying that players that mindlessly follow a blue tag are by far a bigger majority than those that roam / small group skirmishes. So naturally the majority will vote no regardless.

As for the clicking enemies to see title, I’m aware of it. It’s more of a convenience feature and a way to display it easier. As I said earlier, it’s the same baseless argument as me telling you to turn off enemy names as you can still see their models if you find the text cluttering up your screen.

In the absence of a UI option to turn the functionality on/off, it is much better to have it off and globally reduce the amount of clutter on-screen at any given time. If they ever do bring this back, it absolutely needs an option to keep it turned off available.

@ Blackwyn: I hate this classification to be mindless when following a zerg. Please stop that – also braindead is not nice really… I could also turn it around and ask why roamers don’t get it in their head that there might be a well organized zerg with 50+ players of which all know what the objective is and what skills to cast at what moment in time to achieve sth…. really…

so if there is a 1vs1 upcoming just click on the player and you see his title (whether that title might be understatement or not by that player that will remain always to you as a good guess)

No.

They clutter up my screen.

OOMMGG we have a title-kittenh here.

Leme gues, U have legendary allso?

gtfo with ur title

Really all titles did was add to the wall of rolling text with a zerg hiding under it. I rarely if ever noticed the other person’s title, nor did I care.

Lara Croft.5807:

@ Blackwyn: I hate this classification to be mindless when following a zerg. Please stop that – also braindead is not nice really… I could also turn it around and ask why roamers don’t get it in their head that there might be a well organized zerg with 50+ players of which all know what the objective is and what skills to cast at what moment in time to achieve sth…. really…

Again, I’ve never said there ain’t good players in a zerg (and when did I say anything about being braindead? :S). But the majority of people that follows a blue tag will do it mindlessly. When I refer to mindlessly, it’s basically cause it’s a more comfortable way and a way to still be rewarded in a zerg without the need to judge the situation for yourself. Again, I’m not pointing out anything about how skilled the individual is in a zerg.

akunadin.5017:

OOMMGG we have a title-kittenh here.

Leme gues, U have legendary allso?

gtfo with ur title

Are you on drugs mate?

I want to show my God walking amongst mere mortals title again!

The way Anet is doing this makes the most sense. Kill them for now until they can get a toggle in. Why they didn’t have a toggle implemented in the first place is a good question, but that’s in the past. What matters now is less clutter in the nameplates, and I’m all for that.

DevonCarver.5370:

So, the key problem here is that the thing that people most want is for other people to see their titles. If other people don’t want to see them, at least for gameplay reasons, it’s not really fair to force them to. I agree that it would be better with an option flag but we just didn’t have the time to implement that at the moment. It’s very likely we’ll get one in when we have the time, but for now we felt it was most appropriate to remove them.

Thank you for replying. Any idea on what kind of alternative ways you guys are currently thinking of? Most people want an on/off toggle. But as I see it, titles are bad in zergs cause it clutters up. But people have no problem with titles being displayed in smaller groups.

So maybe having something like your current ‘graphic WvW settings’. Three toggles:
1. Display all titles
2. Display few amount of titles
3. Display no titles

So basically same principle as your graphic setting. For example the second toggle will display titles only for a few that are close to you. This way it wouldn’t clutter up in zergs, but they would show up in smaller skirmishes.

Braindead are the people who choose to go off on their own and solo Sentry Guard points or Moa Birds or try to find 1v1, which wastes a slot in WvW.

Causing more harm than good for your server especially if your zerg is outmanned, thats really smart, split up to kill Moa Birds while your server is getting wiped.

I guess i missing something but…
is this really a problem worth mentioning and calling in a dev?

I mean, we have inerenth skill lag, rating issues, wack a mole balancing of numbers (see AC dmg) yet we need to do all this fuss over not being able to display our dungeon master title where it has no meaning (there is no wvw title atm so far, so it’s all pve stuff).

Dunno.. don’t get it. :/

I have to admit, seeing enemy titles has its advantages.

I was casually leading a group of ~20 in WvW one time while titles were displayed. Most of our group had either ‘God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals’ or ‘Been There, Done That.’ We went down one of the borderland cliff paths and saw an enemy group of ~30. I decided to charge them head on because most of them were lacking titles, and the few that did have titles were mostly ‘Volunteer’, ‘Apprentice Toymaker’, and ‘Combat Healer’. Despite being outnumbered we killed them all in about one minute.

Blackwyn.8127:

DevonCarver.5370:

So, the key problem here is that the thing that people most want is for other people to see their titles. If other people don’t want to see them, at least for gameplay reasons, it’s not really fair to force them to. I agree that it would be better with an option flag but we just didn’t have the time to implement that at the moment. It’s very likely we’ll get one in when we have the time, but for now we felt it was most appropriate to remove them.

Thank you for replying. Any idea on what kind of alternative ways you guys are currently thinking of? Most people want an on/off toggle. But as I see it, titles are bad in zergs cause it clutters up. But people have no problem with titles being displayed in smaller groups.

So maybe having something like your current ‘graphic WvW settings’. Three toggles:
1. Display all titles
2. Display few amount of titles
3. Display no titles

So basically same principle as your graphic setting. For example the second toggle will display titles only for a few that are close to you. This way it wouldn’t clutter up in zergs, but they would show up in smaller skirmishes.

Hey what about postponing this “issue” to a much later stage and fix rather burning problems like
- stale matchups in both ladders EU and NA… ?
- or a private grouping tool
- different colors for different objectives (like commanders, group leaders, etcpp)
- bugfixes on maps

Current solutions are fine and everyone can get the information if necessary and the clutter which affected more than just a couple of roamers was also fixed with current solution – so please adapt to this atm In the future we could raise that topic again.

You realize I’m sure that most people that are “killing Moa Birds” are building stacks of Prec or Pow right?

Musty.3148:

You realize I’m sure that most people that are “killing Moa Birds” are building stacks of Prec or Pow right?

Even if you kill Moa Birds with a Golem?…-_-

This is how I equate every one that is not with the zerg or in VoIP…lol harsh but true at times.

If they make it a choice, sure. But if it can’t be a choice I want them OFF.

Ok, feel free to freak the kitten out if someone is killing Moas with a Golem.

DevonCarver.5370:

So, the key problem here is that the thing that people most want is for other people to see their titles. If other people don’t want to see them, at least for gameplay reasons, it’s not really fair to force them to. I agree that it would be better with an option flag but we just didn’t have the time to implement that at the moment. It’s very likely we’ll get one in when we have the time, but for now we felt it was most appropriate to remove them.

Honestly, putting in an option flag can’t really be THAT difficult to do…

I like the idea of having them viewable as optional, similar to how displaying them is optional. I’m eager for this to be implemented, as minor as it may seem.

for gods sake no, I dont want to see your titles.

I dont care what title you have, I dont feel more impressed by it, I just get annoyed at clutter on my screen. The only person who cares about your titles are you.

Titles do deserve their place in WvW. They were just implemented poorly.

The option to toggle enemy/ally titles on/off needs to be there for people who don’t care but I think Anet must also provide incentive to get/progress to the title other than the title itself.

I personally think ANET should create unique skins for titles that can only be unlocked when you have achieved the certain title. Thus people who want to show off can show off their title and skins. This means that people who turn off titles will eventually recognize the skins as Captain Armor… or Squire Armor or Warlord Armor. regardless if the title is showing or not.

This will make people love titles, love Anet and provide REAL progression that you can show off.

I have no desire to see another players title.

I don’t care.

I don’t care about your title.

I don’t care that you really really want me to see your title.

I don’t want to see your title. It adds more clutter that I don’t care to have.

While adding a toggle for the titles please add a toggle for scaling of name tags dependent on distance to target.

What’s a title?

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I have no desire to see another players title.

I don’t care.

I don’t care about your title.

I don’t care that you really really want me to see your title.

I don’t want to see your title. It adds more clutter that I don’t care to have.

+1

If you want to see your enemy title, select him, but we don’t care about your title, so keep it for you.

Zumy.6318:

I want you all to know, that I am your emperor

+1000

the emperor title needs hell of work and money , that was the only title interesting to me , removing titles made working to get them not fun anymore when you know that in the end it wont show and nobody will ever know that you are endeed an emperor duh xD

bring back titles and give us an option to the player to hide it , that will work for everyone

Blackwyn.8127:

Fair enough, I guess the majority didn’t like it. As most enjoy following the blue tag and just fight big zergs, I should’ve guessed that small skirmishes / solo runs are not as popular.
But in big zergs it’s already as cluttered as can be and as an argument to the ones saying ‘hell no, clutters screen’. Then you can easily just say ‘turn off player names then and problem solved’.

I do think titles deserve their spot in WvW as well (in addition to the point mentioned earlier), some can be pretty time consuming and people like to show them off. Just like people like to show off their Legendaries as well. Or will it eventually reach a point where almost everyone will have a Twilight and people will complain that the effects clutter too much in WvW and demand Legendary graphics to be removed as well?

As I see it, people don’t want titles in WvW cause it clutters the screen. But in the zergs I’ve seen in T1, it’s already cluttered enough with 100+ players. So having title clutter is insignificant (as stabbing a person to death and then stabbing him ten extra times). If it really bothered you that much, you would suggest to turn off player names in options which is the same groundless argument as removing titles cause it clutters the screen.

Naturally player names appearing are more important. But titles can be just as meaningful.

As a person that prefers roaming to zergs, I don’t like titles. I don’t care if someone has a 1337 sPvP e$p0rtz titles, or a pumpkin carver title..I will approach the fight the same way.

Also, kitten your condescending ‘I guess you guys are just zerglings’ attitude.

@Blackwyn.8127

If you want to fight opponents with a ‘personality’, ANet should show their character names like in PvP instead of ‘<insert server here> Invader’. If they had their own names, that would be much more personal.

Then the WvW ranks could be listed beneath their name (as PvE/PvP titles have little meaning in WvW in my humble opinion). And it would also make it easier to report people who use exploits/cheatprograms.

Seeing 30 Combat Healers, 10 Volunteers, 5 Apprentice Toymakers and an Emperor does not add anything; least of all personality. All it does is add additional strain to your system and clutter up the screen with meaningless information.

DevonCarver.5370:

So, the key problem here is that the thing that people most want is for other people to see their titles. If other people don’t want to see them, at least for gameplay reasons, it’s not really fair to force them to. I agree that it would be better with an option flag but we just didn’t have the time to implement that at the moment. It’s very likely we’ll get one in when we have the time, but for now we felt it was most appropriate to remove them.

100% agree with this.