Guild Wars 2

I say this as an ele, who has to sit baby sitting walls and trebs far too often. Please please please Anet nerf swirling winds. It is boring as kitten to sit and hit 4 every 30 seconds for 30+ minutes. I think all my elementalist friends out there would agree we would rather be fighting.

Just don’t do it. It’s an excellent skill for a clutch play out on the terrain, but if some commander want’s to protect their junk, they can bust towers or keeps that are housing treb batteries. You’re logging in to have fun, not for work.

Just don’t do it if you don’t want to. Nobody’s holding a gun to your head.

Some ele’s enjoy being useful to their team.

The only way to “nerf” swirling winds fairly is to give the professions with reflective skills the ability to reflect siege shots.

Imagine the beauty of a guardian wall reflecting treb shots from Bay back to Garrison… then the counter-reflection by the guardians on Garrison… then the counter-counter reflections with the added new shots at Bay… Oh mama.

Yes, please lol
As an ele, I also agree with this.

If it bothers you so much stop doing it. In the same vein, why not nerf Trebs? I mean, poor guys have to sit there for hours on and end for nothing because an Ele is using swirling winds, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ANET NERF TREBS!!!

I sympathize with the opening post, WvW is not supposed to that technical in this game to where you need specific classes to carry out specific tasks, and if you don’t have them, you need to recruit or stop your whole gameplan till you find them. But with both Eles protecting siege, and Mesmer portals, we are starting to get into this area.

You can say just don’t do it, then have your commander and teammates ticked because you are not helping the team. A player shouldn’t be put in that position.

More importantly it overly magnifies the importance of some professions over others to undesirable levels.

kerona.3465:

Just don’t do it if you don’t want to. Nobody’s holding a gun to your head.

Some ele’s enjoy being useful to their team.

If you think this is the only way to be useful to your team, I feel bad for you. Of course you are right, I could just not do it, and then let our treb/wall/cata/etc fall. Given those two choices I will most certainly make the decision to sit on treb duty. I am simply stating that I would rather not be put into the position to have to make that decision. Either nerf it, or give the ability back to guardians as well. It was not that long ago that they were the ones forced to babysit trebs, I say let them have all that glory back.

Thieves can also block siege shots.

Hah! I like the idea of taking out the menial work, but there needs to be something to replace it because it’s become an intrinsic part of tactics now.

I can’t even take this thread seriously. The amount of complaining people do over nothing. ._.

Then just quit and go do something else. You aren’t in the army?

Or level an alt and play it when blocking trebs becomes too boring.

Myself, another guildie and a PYRO ele rotated, saving our walls for about 10 min last night on DB BL at West Keep. After about 10 min DB Garrison gave up. Came back 10 min later and they still weren’t trebbing. Tried again about an hour later, we stopped them, they gave up again. If you don’t like doing it, don’t do it. If your guild forces you to do it, find a new guild. It’s a awesome mechanic that’s extremely useful, the cost, it requires someone to give up their time. Seems like a fair trade to me.

Tell the commander to roll an ele and do it himself. Lead by example, right?

Pendragon.8735:

I sympathize with the opening post, WvW is not supposed to that technical in this game to where you need specific classes to carry out specific tasks, and if you don’t have them, you need to recruit or stop your whole gameplan till you find them. But with both Eles protecting siege, and Mesmer portals, we are starting to get into this area.

You can say just don’t do it, then have your commander and teammates ticked because you are not helping the team. A player shouldn’t be put in that position.

More importantly it overly magnifies the importance of some professions over others to undesirable levels.

+1

By not doing it if you have the skill will make commanders and players around you frown at you. =(

Same as portal for mesmer, and that’s the reason why I won’t ever get portal skill on my mesmer. Fake mesmer FTW xD

/end of QQ
lolz

ANet, please nerf the forum, so that suggestions such as this will not accidentally be taken seriously.

O.P., and all players: Use your class to its fullest, and/or as you see fit. Grow out of needing ANet to baby sit you and your gaming decisions.

Anvil Pants.3426:

ANet, please nerf the forum, so that suggestions such as this will not accidentally be taken seriously.

Nerfing the forum has been suggested by some players since more than a month ago, in a topic where someone was asking to remove arrow carts from WvW.

However, the forum is still too OP until now lol

As an Ele, I feel your pain but i also don’t know that I want it nerfed. I like that there is a way to stop treb shots if you have an organized enough force to have people dedicated to stopping it.
At the same time I don’t like something that can essentially take us out of the fight for hours on end. Reset night we were trebbing a TC held bay for easily 5+ hours. While it’s great that they had people dedicated enough to keep protecting the wall I feel bad for those Ele’s.
At least with the Treb we can have any class switch out to fire so it’s not keeping a single class busy for those 5 hours.

I’d hate to see it made so you have no way to defend against those treb shots though so there isn’t an easy answer. I suspect that ANet never intended for skills like this to block siege though to begin with so it will probably get nerfed. They made the amount you repair a wall with supply for a reason so it takes a coordinated effort to keep a from going down.
They probably didn’t intend for a 3 or 4 Ele’s to essentially make a wall of trebs useless. Even if you space out your treb shots they wait until the shot is about to hit to pop their skill so it only takes a few to protect a wall against several trebs. Easy answer though, send a force to roll the Ele’s so i can see it going either way.

ANet, please buff trebuchet in WvW so that any treb operator can auto-fire and walk away from the game until the other team’s slave-elementalists tire of casting Swirling Winds.

Thank you!

crystalpink.2487:

Anvil Pants.3426:

ANet, please nerf the forum, so that suggestions such as this will not accidentally be taken seriously.

Nerfing the forum has been suggested by some players since more than a month ago, in a topic where someone was asking to remove arrow carts from WvW.

However, the forum is still too OP until now lol

lawls

The idea that it takes an organized group to do this is ridiculous. We often have 3 eles from 3 different guilds spontaneously pick up the rotation. Its not that tricky, and can be accomplished by any pug army. The hostility that this has generated is quite hilarious to me. Of course, i must be a no-talented hack job player incapable of understanding how to play my class, in order to suggest something like this. Bottom line, its boring. However, I am not going to gimp my team by failing to do something that gives such a great advantage. Either give the ability to other classes or get rid of it. Equating this to mesmer portal does not fly in my book. First off, good portalling requires skill. Secondly, you can use other means besides portal to flank groups.

this is just beyond stupid.

IF you’re blocking treb shots for over 10 minutes your server is doing something wrong. There isn’t a spot you can put a treb that you can’t take down. Stone Mist second floor can be trebbed, and ballista’d

IF you’re server can’t organize after 10 minutes then they are doing something wrong and you’re just wasting time sitting there defending a tower that will still be lost.

the Swirling skill is great for counter trebbing and protecting siege to -take down- their siege. If you need quick protection for a minute or two it’s great other than that, I would never sit an ele by a wall for defense.

I use two monitors on my PC. This gives me a great advantage, since I can play the game in fullscreen windowed mode while keeping VoIP, documents, maps and so forth on-screen beside that.

ANet, I can’t help but use my second monitor, because failing to do so will hurt my team. However, it is simply not fair that other teams, and even my own team members, can not do the same.

Please nerf multiple display support in GW2, or give all players a second monitor. Thanks.

Why stop at it, get rid of Trebs, they are boring! Get rid of catapults too! Hell! Get rid of Dolyaks and have the supply to spawn at towers every 30 seconds so we dont have to wait to upgrade something! OH WAIT! GET RID OF UPGRADES! Make everything instantly upgrade!

Eurlin.4256:

this is just beyond stupid.

IF you’re blocking treb shots for over 10 minutes your server is doing something wrong. There isn’t a spot you can put a treb that you can’t take down. Stone Mist second floor can be trebbed, and ballista’d

IF you’re server can’t organize after 10 minutes then they are doing something wrong and you’re just wasting time sitting there defending a tower that will still be lost.

the Swirling skill is great for counter trebbing and protecting siege to -take down- their siege. If you need quick protection for a minute or two it’s great other than that, I would never sit an ele by a wall for defense.

It’s called priorities. Putting an Ele to block treb shots is putting a bandaid over the problem until you can get to it.

Literally there’s been times where I’m in Teamspeak with a named guild and we have to play firemen on the map going to defend two towers back to back, re-cap three camps, and then go and kill the treb.

ComeAndSee.1356:

Eurlin.4256:

this is just beyond stupid.

IF you’re blocking treb shots for over 10 minutes your server is doing something wrong. There isn’t a spot you can put a treb that you can’t take down. Stone Mist second floor can be trebbed, and ballista’d

IF you’re server can’t organize after 10 minutes then they are doing something wrong and you’re just wasting time sitting there defending a tower that will still be lost.

the Swirling skill is great for counter trebbing and protecting siege to -take down- their siege. If you need quick protection for a minute or two it’s great other than that, I would never sit an ele by a wall for defense.

It’s called priorities. Putting an Ele to block treb shots is putting a bandaid over the problem until you can get to it.

Literally there’s been times where I’m in Teamspeak with a named guild and we have to play firemen on the map going to defend two towers back to back, re-cap three camps, and then go and kill the treb.

That sounds dangerously like having to fight in a game called Guild Wars 2.

Scandalous.

MrKnieves.4162:

Tell the commander to roll an ele and do it himself. Lead by example, right?

I’m a commander + ele + trebber and it’s awesome when i can stop enemy trebs shooting at me when I’m shooting at them, those treb battles are awesome.

drtoph.4857:

Equating this to mesmer portal does not fly in my book. First off, good portalling requires skill. Secondly, you can use other means besides portal to flank groups.

It’s still the same as portal or other skills from certain classes to do certain task.

The gist is: Many players depend so much on certain class to use certain skill to do certain task.

It’s not about how skillful you are to use the skill. If it’s about the skill, the swirling winds also requires some timing skill. The skillful player know the timing, when all the projectiles are gonna hit the siege or wall.

Swirling Winds should not impact siege engines.

Done.

It’s yet another pro-zerg element and GW2 does not need more of those. Now if you’re inside with a “defensive treb” or similar, facing a zerg of enemies, your siege engine can be easily rendered worthless. A massive zerg attack will always have 5+ elementalists on hand for swirling winds but a small defense force won’t.

Stop rewarding zerging.

Eurlin.4256:

this is just beyond stupid.

IF you’re blocking treb shots for over 10 minutes your server is doing something wrong. There isn’t a spot you can put a treb that you can’t take down. Stone Mist second floor can be trebbed, and ballista’d

IF you’re server can’t organize after 10 minutes then they are doing something wrong and you’re just wasting time sitting there defending a tower that will still be lost.

the Swirling skill is great for counter trebbing and protecting siege to -take down- their siege. If you need quick protection for a minute or two it’s great other than that, I would never sit an ele by a wall for defense.

Not true. An organized defense can make it extremely difficult to take down some trebs. Going back to my previous post. We trebed Bay from Garison for 5+ hours while they had Ele’s protecting it. They sent attempt after attempt from all different angles/approaches trying to take down our trebs but were pushed back every time by smart defensive siege placement that would give our main force time to come take them out.

Though using that as an example. A superior force working together defending was needed to protect those trebs so why nerf a skill that is just one more counter to many different ways of doing things.

@ drtpoh -
Yes it is easy to get random pugs organized enough to block a few treb shots. Where the organization comes into play is having people dedicated enough to do it for extended periods of time. Your average run of the mill pug would not do it. It takes an organized server to defend against trebs for that long. Yes it might be 3 pugs on the server doing it but they are part of a server organized enough to work together as one unit.

Still I hate that it does essentially force one class into a roll but a good commander is going to recognize the benefits of having good Ele’s in their group.

Anvil Pants.3426:

I use two monitors on my PC. This gives me a great advantage, since I can play the game in fullscreen windowed mode while keeping VoIP, documents, maps and so forth on-screen beside that.

ANet, I can’t help but use my second monitor, because failing to do so will hurt my team. However, it is simply not fair that other teams, and even my own team members, can not do the same.

Please nerf multiple display support in GW2, or give all players a second monitor. Thanks.

To all you mighty forum warriors out there, try to think for a second before you start repeatedly slamming your faces into the wall. You’re gonna get that wall all gross and oily.

Elementalist Swirling Winds – Destroys Projectiles

Mesmer Feedback – Reflects Projectiles

There’s a common theme with both of those descriptions, but only one works on siege. Dev’s either need to let all projectile-based defensive spells work against siege or none. Singling out Swirling Winds as the only one to still work, I have to believe, is an oversight by the developers. They nerfed feedback shortly after release if I remember correctly. Swirling winds should be nerfed too since they both have that little thing in common.

This skill is nothing like portal. Portal is mesmer-based. Projectile defense spans multiple classes.

Why cant WvW have class technicality? it spicies up the game, seriously if you start removing all the little ‘extra’ things besides zerging around and dpsing everything you see WvW is going to get SUPER boring and lame – if anything we need MORE unique skills and little tidbits that players can use.

Beyondthelol.9504:

Why cant WvW have class technicality? it spicies up the game, seriously if you start removing all the little ‘extra’ things besides zerging around and dpsing everything you see WvW is going to get SUPER boring and lame – if anything we need MORE unique skills and little tidbits that players can use.

See the post above you. If they want a class to have a siege-based spell, so be it, but don’t single out one projectile spell above all the other projectile spells because it’s a……projectile spell.

How about you tell your guild mates to do something about that treb? Then you wouldn’t have to sit there anymore either.

drtoph.4857:

I say this as an ele, who has to sit baby sitting walls and trebs far too often. Please please please Anet nerf swirling winds. It is boring as kitten to sit and hit 4 every 30 seconds for 30+ minutes. I think all my elementalist friends out there would agree we would rather be fighting.

Remind your commander Thieves can do it too.

Enjoy the hate from your stealthy comrades.

Tell your commander to learn how to counter trebs. Its fine to be asked to do it for a few minutes while they go and take it out. 30+ minutes though i would just walk away and blame the commander for being incompetent.

Foss.4830:

Tell your commander to learn how to counter trebs. Its fine to be asked to do it for a few minutes while they go and take it out. 30+ minutes though i would just walk away and blame the commander for being incompetent.

It’s no different than being dedicated scouts. These guys end up being stuck there for hours on end.

Foss.4830:

Tell your commander to learn how to counter trebs. Its fine to be asked to do it for a few minutes while they go and take it out. 30+ minutes though i would just walk away and blame the commander for being incompetent.

You do realize that if for instance you are trebbing hills from the NE supply camp that there are places the enemy can put trebucets within the Hills keep that you cannot counter, don’t you? If you are for instance, interested in taking a fully upgraded hills from that position, you will first need to drain the keep of supply, then break the fortified wall, all the while having an ele rotation protecting your trebs. This is just one example where the commander is not incompetent at all, but still would require ele’s to sit there for a long while.

5 hour long siege and you have dedicated eles means you’re not doing something correctly on the map. IT’s as simple as that. Maybe you don’t have enough organized guilds, or maybe you just don’t know how to do it, but there are plenty of ways to stop a treb. SBI spent 60+ plus hours trying to take Bay from SoR and failed at every turn. SoR had multiple ways of not allowing SBI to take Bay and this was BEFORE we had 24 hour coverage.

It’s a bandaid yea, but 5 hours is an infection

Anet gives one of the coolest things ever, the ability to use abilities for purposes other than combat, and people want it taken out?

I am an ele and do not mind protecting a tower/keep/castle with it. I wish more eles would do that besides me.

If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it.

What skill lets thieves block treb shots?

Thats why i play necro.
i’m useless

Dylninja.4216:

Thats why i play necro.
i’m useless

Could be worse, you could have rolled ranger

drtoph.4857:

Foss.4830:

Tell your commander to learn how to counter trebs. Its fine to be asked to do it for a few minutes while they go and take it out. 30+ minutes though i would just walk away and blame the commander for being incompetent.

You do realize that if for instance you are trebbing hills from the NE supply camp that there are places the enemy can put trebucets within the Hills keep that you cannot counter, don’t you? If you are for instance, interested in taking a fully upgraded hills from that position, you will first need to drain the keep of supply, then break the fortified wall, all the while having an ele rotation protecting your trebs. This is just one example where the commander is not incompetent at all, but still would require ele’s to sit there for a long while.

Thats probably the only case where you would actually require eles to block shots though. Commanders shouldn’t be asking eles to sit on walls or anything like that for extended periods.

I cant think of any other spots that are impossible to counter with an arrow cart or another well placed treb or even just pushing up with a group of staff eles to AOE the kitten out of the area with meteor shower. Mind you there are some tougher ones like the spots in vale where you can hit bay. once the entrance there is sieged up it can be a real pain. A good mesmer could port people past the siege though. The trebs from garrison hitting bay can be counter trebbed from outside the NW tower. Just bring a buncha people and fast build it.

drtoph.4857:

kerona.3465:

Just don’t do it if you don’t want to. Nobody’s holding a gun to your head.

Some ele’s enjoy being useful to their team.

If you think this is the only way to be useful to your team, I feel bad for you. Of course you are right, I could just not do it, and then let our treb/wall/cata/etc fall. Given those two choices I will most certainly make the decision to sit on treb duty. I am simply stating that I would rather not be put into the position to have to make that decision. Either nerf it, or give the ability back to guardians as well. It was not that long ago that they were the ones forced to babysit trebs, I say let them have all that glory back.

1) Stop putting words in my mouth. If I meant “only way”, I would have said “only way”. Thank you.

2) ANet should not be responsible for you not having the ability to say “No, I hate doing that” to people you do not know over the internet.

drtoph.4857:

Dylninja.4216:

Thats why i play necro.
i’m useless

Could be worse, you could have rolled ranger

I’m a necro and a ranger, so I guess I’m super useless. Yay! \o/

Haldunius.7864:

To all you mighty forum warriors out there, try to think for a second before you start repeatedly slamming your faces into the wall.

Says the one who spent the next few hundred words trying to win the thread.

ANet needs to buff all of your forum skills.

Anvil Pants.3426:

Haldunius.7864:

To all you mighty forum warriors out there, try to think for a second before you start repeatedly slamming your faces into the wall.

Says the one who spent the next few hundred words trying to win the thread.

ANet needs to buff all of your forum skills.

Glad to see you agree that your prior argument had no basis. Try harder.

crystalpink.2487:

drtoph.4857:

Dylninja.4216:

Thats why i play necro.
i’m useless

Could be worse, you could have rolled ranger

I’m a necro and a ranger, so I guess I’m super useless. Yay! \o/

lol, now I really feel like a donkey.

I find it funny how thief as a profession gets bashed for a broken game mechanic. The problem is culling, not the stealth in itself.

Kincaidia.3192:

What skill lets thieves block treb shots?

Smoke Screen.

30sec cd, works for 7sec.

Just put it down near where the treb hits and itll absorb it.