Guild Wars 2

Due to all the necroing we’ve finally received a response!

Please read it before you necro.

Also Mark, thanks for hiding that post in the stickies where noone looks any more! Very underhanded tactics!

TBH the necro-posting is annoying. I’m checking here for new material and all I see is old kitten.

TBH so is Anet not giving a kitten…

BTW Chaba I work at Asda

I forsee a new topic merged with a “dead” topic, leading to an infraction on the new topic’s OP.

It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. I know the necroing highlights Anet’s lack of communication and just generally makes it look bad but how about archiving inactive threads instead of threatening to punish users?

Honestly the sticky about necroing threads should be posted in every forum. They are clearing being biased to us only posting it here, since just about every forum does necro a thread.

Fight the Power

Obviously the WvW forums require special censoring to keep people in line. We already lost the matchup forums, wouldnt surprise me if they decide to remove the WvW forums alltogether.

I wish Mark would realize that his job involves more than just infracting people. We need actual communications with players.

gennyt.3428:

It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. I know the necroing highlights Anet’s lack of communication and just generally makes it look bad but how about archiving inactive threads instead of threatening to punish users?

^ This pretty much nails why it happens and how ANet should manage it.

BTW go to the PvP thread right now.

THERE"S RED NECROS THERE TOO

SoPP.7034:

gennyt.3428:

It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. I know the necroing highlights Anet’s lack of communication and just generally makes it look bad but how about archiving inactive threads instead of threatening to punish users?

^ This pretty much nails why it happens and how ANet should manage it.

BTW go to the PvP thread right now.

THERE"S RED NECROS THERE TOO

The bias to the wvw community is really strong. I thought mods were supposed to be neutral to everyone. Apparently that isn’t true anymore….

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

SoPP.7034:

gennyt.3428:

It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. I know the necroing highlights Anet’s lack of communication and just generally makes it look bad but how about archiving inactive threads instead of threatening to punish users?

^ This pretty much nails why it happens and how ANet should manage it.

BTW go to the PvP thread right now.

THERE"S RED NECROS THERE TOO

The bias to the wvw community is really strong. I thought mods were supposed to be neutral to everyone. Apparently that isn’t true anymore….

Worse… it wasn’t just a moderator, but a developer that posted it. Also he says to make NEW topics referring to OLD threads, but proceeded to LOCK my thread about the WvW Blog post from 1 year 2 months ago without even a word or reason why. It was a new thread asking about the state of the WvW Team.

Well, at least they did give us a warning.

The main issue with too much necroing (except for the fact that it is extremely silly, and doesn’t help anyone) is that it might very well end up with ArenaNet simply shutting down the forums, instead of having to spend the extra time to lock thread upon thread upon thread due to completely irrelevant necros.

If Anet would lock down WvW forums, I wont see what will happen. Players will be very angry.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Oh no! If they shutdown the forums where would we go to communicate with the dev’s about all the upcoming changes to WvW? Oh wait…

It is so cute when people seems to imply that they never listen to feedback.

Every single change made to WvW after release was based on feedback and stuff demanded on these forums.

A progression system in WvW – WXP ranks added.
A new map – EOTM added.
A way to play WvW while maps are queued – EOTM added.
A way to join EB JP without queuing for EB – Make OS a separate map joinable from everywhere.
Able to see queue-size – Add said information to the interface.
A place for GvG – Remove stat-bonuses from OS.

How is this not listening to feedback?

You who are mass-necroing threads are doing nothing but misdirecting your anger at employees who are just trying to do their jobs. It’s not going to help. If you are fed up to the point where you’re being a kitten about it, stop playing the game. Uninstall. Move on with your life. Many have already. Follow their example.

lordkrall.7241:

It is so cute when people seems to imply that they never listen to feedback.

Every single change made to WvW after release was based on feedback and stuff demanded on these forums.

A progression system in WvW – WXP ranks added.
A new map – EOTM added.
A way to play WvW while maps are queued – EOTM added.
A way to join EB JP without queuing for EB – Make OS a separate map joinable from everywhere.
Able to see queue-size – Add said information to the interface.
A place for GvG – Remove stat-bonuses from OS.

How is this not listening to feedback?

Exactly.

You know the upcoming engi balance change with the 6s reveal from Utility Goggles? That was a player-suggested change.

The EOTM red/green/blue set up was also from player feedback. Many who played the beta loved meeting and playing alongside people in guilds from other servers.

Chaba.5410:

There’s nothing constructive about necro-ing old threads en masse to make some point about the lack of communication. It’s not going to help. If you are fed up to the point where you’re being a kitten about it, stop playing the game. Uninstall. Move on with your life. Many have already. Follow their example.

So you think it’s ok to delete the post or give an infraction to someone because they wondered why 1 year after being told “The orbs are coming back” they haven’t?

From the look of it different people bumped those threads. In your opinion free speech has a 1 year time frame?

Xillllix.3485:

So you think it’s ok to delete the post or give an infraction to someone because they wondered why 1 year after being told “The orbs are coming back” they haven’t?

From the look of it different people bumped those threads. In your opinion free speech has a 1 year time frame?

Isn’t that just the thing though?
The vast majorities of the necros are made by people that do it knowingly and often posts rather irrelevant posts to the thread in question, which would make much more sense as a new thread.

It is usually people that have been complaning for quite some time that do necro the threads to “make a point” after all.

Another thing to keep in mind is that free speech is not really working well in a PRIVATELY OWNED forum. They own the forum. They make the rules. Accept it or move on.

Different people? Please, it’s just a handful of people with multiple accounts. As someone else wrote elsewhere, they’re just abusing anonymity to be kittens. This isn’t a democracy, it’s a business. It’s nothing personal. It’s numbers. Stop playing the game if you’re not happy. Stop punishing the rest of us with the kittenbaggery.

lordkrall.7241:

It is usually people that have been complaning for quite some time that do necro the threads to “make a point” after all.

Agreed on the this part, a point was made: lots of unfulfilled promises.
They can dislike the image that this projects, but starting making rules about what can be replied to and cannot be replied to isn’t the good way to go about it.

When does a thread become a necroed thread anyway? Is 5 months and 30 days OK but 6 months and 1 day NOT OK? It makes no sense from an ethical perspective to allow one and not the other.

Xillllix.3485:

When does a thread become a necroed thread anyway? Is 5 months and 30 days OK but 6 months and 1 day NOT OK? It makes no sense from an ethical perspective to allow one and not the other.

They have to draw the line somewhere though.

gennyt.3428:

how about archiving inactive threads instead of threatening to punish users?

Now that’s just silly constructive talk.

lordkrall.7241:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Oh no! If they shutdown the forums where would we go to communicate with the dev’s about all the upcoming changes to WvW? Oh wait…

It is so cute when people seems to imply that they never listen to feedback.

Every single change made to WvW after release was based on feedback and stuff demanded on these forums.

A progression system in WvW – WXP ranks added.
A new map – EOTM added.
A way to play WvW while maps are queued – EOTM added.
A way to join EB JP without queuing for EB – Make OS a separate map joinable from everywhere.
Able to see queue-size – Add said information to the interface.
A place for GvG – Remove stat-bonuses from OS.

How is this not listening to feedback?

And the last of these changes was what, 6 months ago?

They have added many things yes, but they have also failed to live up to promises. Commander and orbs being the two most obvious things.

How long did it take to make EoTM (which no one really demanded btw, we just wanted a fix for broken queues) compared to the time it would take to add a “guild visible only” tickbox in the create squad menu?

Really? You want the orbs back? When there’s still flyhacking?

Nice to see they rather chose to further ignore than engage in a discussion.
I guess all those necro bumps with failed promises were a bad PR.

They said they would fix it and add it back, yes.

Then after years of nothing they secretely removed the orb platform, hiding any evidence it was ever there.

They could have just made it into an escort orb dolly on a slightly randomized path event instead of letting a player carry it. Sometimes an easy problem has an easy solution.

They did fix it. It’s now called bloodlust.

Chaba.5410:

They did fix it. It’s now called bloodlust.

Again something no one really wanted as it was just a horrid power creep bonus, especielly pre-nerf.

Not too mention the countless quaggans that died for it.

Chaba.5410:

They did fix it. It’s now called bloodlust.

People didn’t want the buff, they wanted the “mini-game”. What they gave us was the buff, now acquired by even more standing in circles.

Here’s an idea/suggestion.
We can’t necro old posts, but we can link them and quote the dev posts.

Lol i remember someone necro-posting recently in a thread that was 8months old where devon said that “SOON” there would be new exciting way to spend fragments and stuff.

Good thing “SOON” (funny how true it would be for stuff as important as posting on forums) people like that bad bad man will be banned

Pick up the can.

meanwhile in the general forum….
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Feedback-Questions-MegaServer/page/47#post4246210

why the sticky post its only for wvw forum?
can ppl necro there?
shocked…the air is getting heavier here..

lordkrall.7241:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Oh no! If they shutdown the forums where would we go to communicate with the dev’s about all the upcoming changes to WvW? Oh wait…

It is so cute when people seems to imply that they never listen to feedback.

Every single change made to WvW after release was based on feedback and stuff demanded on these forums.

A progression system in WvW – WXP ranks added.
A new map – EOTM added.
A way to play WvW while maps are queued – EOTM added.
A way to join EB JP without queuing for EB – Make OS a separate map joinable from everywhere.
Able to see queue-size – Add said information to the interface.
A place for GvG – Remove stat-bonuses from OS.

How is this not listening to feedback?

i don’t want be optimist but also they created new problems/bugs :

1. nothing changed in the current wvw maps design …..
2. overpowered arrow-carts ( fixed when some wvw guilds left )
3. overpowered bloodlust buff ( fixed but after the usual delay )
4. overpowered condition builds
5. immobilized bugs never fixed and added new immobilized bugs
6. they screwed every skill / combo for cleans of conditions just to attract more players to wvw from spvp . they failed so far , because wvw population is dropping not increasing.
7. they changed the runes /sigils and now some classes can stack up of 25 stacks ( 33% more power + 33% more condition damage ) of might alone …..
8. nothing changed at wvw rewards , at least similar to eotm rewards .so, many wvw players now choose eotm and not wvw to play .

i will not add more of these that never changed because your statement based on the eotm map and if you think better what you wrote you will understand that everything they did had different result …. eotm just destroyed wvw . eotm never improved the wvw , because it is open to anyone and in any condition . no need to have queues in wvw to enter eotm !

Haven’t brought my Necro into WvW for awhile.Oh wait.

lordkrall.7241:

Every single change made to WvW after release was based on feedback and stuff demanded on these forums.

Feedback and stuff demanded? What was asked wasn’t necessarily received.

lordkrall.7241:

A new map – EOTM added.

A new map? sure…………….. But was designed specifically as on overflow due to unprecedented demand for WvW in China Gw2 (which was explained to you before) and had no real bearing on WvW (which you already know).

lordkrall.7241:

A way to play WvW while maps are queued – EOTM added.

Wrong. This was wanted at GW2 release. When EotM came out even tier 1 had little to no queues, save reset day.

lordkrall.7241:

Able to see queue-size – Add said information to the interface.

Should have been there at release. Queue for something and having no idea when your queue would pop? Minutes? Hours?

lordkrall.7241:

A place for GvG – Remove stat-bonuses from OS.

Sacrx pointed out this came from an ANet employee openly trolling a GvG match and the subsequent /facepalm ANet gave themselves. Nevermind the fact we didn’t want increases to stat-bonuses in WvW to begin with.

lordkrall.7241:

How is this not listening to feedback?

Stick your fingers in your ears close your eyes and go “lalalalalalalala”, interestingly you could still be listening to feedback.

I think the whole china expansion was a mistake. Anet obviously learnt all the wrong things from them..

lordkrall.7241:

It is so cute when people seems to imply that they never listen to feedback.

Reborn.2934:

nothing changed in the current wvw maps design …..

The players asked for new maps, they didn’t specify that they wanted the existing maps replaced. You should always be specific when making a wish to a genie.

overpowered arrow-carts ( fixed when some wvw guilds left )

The players asked for better ways to defend. The ac buff made rams obsolete except against undefended towers/keeps. Everyone dropped catas and trebs to knock down a wall, then build their own counter ac, then took the tower/keep. Everyone that played adapted and changed thier tactics.

overpowered bloodlust buff ( fixed but after the usual delay )

Ahh yes, the response to roamers that wanted more to do AND get some rewards for roaming. This was vehemently opposed by the players because everyone could see how it already tipped the score in favor of the more populated servers.

overpowered condition builds

Builds aren’t and have never been balanced with WvW in mind.

immobilized bugs never fixed and added new immobilized bugs

There’s a list of bugs in WvW that haven’t been fixed. Apparently Necroing a thread that points this out is a violation of the rules.

they screwed every skill / combo for cleans of conditions just to attract more players to wvw from spvp . they failed so far , because wvw population is dropping not increasing.

If anything, Anet wants to promote sPvP/tPvP esports instead of WvW.

they changed the runes /sigils and now some classes can stack up of 25 stacks ( 33% more power + 33% more condition damage ) of might alone …..

Again, skill/balance changes are made with 5 man teams in mind.

nothing changed at wvw rewards , at least similar to eotm rewards .so, many wvw players now choose eotm and not wvw to play .

One of the many necroed threads. It is curious that Anet could bring about LS1 achievements, LS2 achievements, EotM achievements, CHANGE PvP achievements/rewards, WvW tournament 1 acheivements, WvW tournament 2 achievements all after acknowledging that the WvW achievements were in need of change, but don’t tell Anet about this, you might get banned.

Congrats on ANet finding the worst possible way to handle necro’ing. If it is that much of a problem for ANet, they should simply remove replies to 30+ day old threads and stop threatening their user base.

Straegen.2938:

Congrats on ANet finding the worst possible way to handle necro’ing. If it is that much of a problem for ANet, they should simply remove replies to 30+ day old threads and stop threatening their user base.

My thoughts exactly. If they want the forum to function in a specific way it’s a common feature of forums to archive old threads automatically.

We don’t have to take the blame for asking about the status of what the developers promised a year ago. These were actually good threads with good suggestions; deleting what little remains of communication between the dev and us is a drastic choice.

What they are trying to say is “READ BETWEEN THE LINES”. They don’t really have a problem with necroed threads

They can’t come out and say “We’re ceasing all but basic support for WvW and there are no major WvW updates planned”.

So, they crackdown on the bringing up of old promises in a high-handed and over-the-top fashion that gets more attention than the necroed threads. Notice they just lock and not delete as well, nor do they just delete the offending posts.

This is their way of signalling us, that they will not change WvW so we are wasting time and energy by asking them to do so.

I think they missed many fine chances to monetize it in the shop (Starter Siegemaster Kits, Party Traps (confetti and dancers spawn when triggered), WXP boosters came and went) and they could have highlighted it more.

At the end of the day, ANet is ran by artists and artists are (by necessity of course) control freaks. They have a vision and a story; and they aren’t crowdsourcing it so they don’t need WvW as a distraction.

Why is PvP that is not a FPS or a MOBO so freaking hard to implement and keep up?

Just give us /commandercolor{color} and half the trolls here would quiet down.

Delta Blues.8507:

Lol i remember someone necro-posting recently in a thread that was 8months old where devon said that “SOON” there would be new exciting way to spend fragments and stuff.

Good thing “SOON” (funny how true it would be for stuff as important as posting on forums) people like that bad bad man will be banned

As far as i can remember, that post from Devon was made shortly before ascended armorcrafting went live, which IS a mayor sink for ascended mats.

It would be so much easier for them to just automatically disable comments on threads older than 30 days than to bother to ask the community to change their behavior.

I could be wrong, but if they dont want us necroing old threads, just dont allow it. I think they’re leaving a bait-and-switch for people so they can suspend/infract more.

Im surprised, usually mods encourage you to use old threads, not create new topics. What they should do (as most won’t even get that memo) is to just disable comments on the threads after 30 days.

This actually bothers me to a degree… Where is the direction of this company going?

Isn’t it obvious. The answer is almost always the same.
In the direction that maximized the profit.
And as we know, WvW generates the least money for Arena Net.

Chris.3290:

What they are trying to say is “READ BETWEEN THE LINES”. They don’t really have a problem with necroed threads

Exactly. The problem isn’t necroed threads. The problem is flooding the forum with necroed threads. One could flood the forum with new posts too. The solution is to restrict the offending accounts, not restrict the posting function.