Guild Wars 2

On my server (SFR) it totaly kiled WvW. Bunch of achivment hunters just totaly destroy coordinated fights. Before was no problem to deafeat with group of 40 players 100 man blob from Vizunah. Now with these new guys its totaly imposible. These guys are not there for win they are there just for farm achivments. It was mostly been done by free transfers on our server (thanks a lot but agin total fail just bring more useless players to T1 server)
ps. i am not hardcore wvw player but i was playing it quite lot however ALL hardcore players are totaly disgusted and i as well

I have nothing aginst bring more players if are truly intrested at WvW however when they come for 1 weak to get all achivments and destroy server chance to win league and then 6 weaks does nothing is realy weird and extremly unfair to all players who make server best et EU.

style.6173:

Bringing more people to WvW is a good thing. A lot of people are just too short sighted to realize this.

Bringing more players who want to play WvW is a good thing.

Bringing in more players who just want to chase achievements and get out….not too much.

A lot of people are just too short sighted to see the difference.

lukasx.1749:

I have nothing aginst bring more players if are truly intrested at WvW however when they come for 1 weak to get all achivments and destroy server chance to win league and then 6 weaks does nothing is realy weird and extremly unfair to all players who make server best et EU.

Are you saying your server has a significantly larger number of achievement hunters than the servers that are against you?

If not, then aren’t all servers equally handicapped by achievement hunters?

Gibson.4036:

lukasx.1749:

I have nothing aginst bring more players if are truly intrested at WvW however when they come for 1 weak to get all achivments and destroy server chance to win league and then 6 weaks does nothing is realy weird and extremly unfair to all players who make server best et EU.

Are you saying your server has a significantly larger number of achievement hunters than the servers that are against you?

If not, then aren’t all servers equally handicapped by achievement hunters?

SFR was medium servers now its nearly full, and all these players came just for achivments and rewards. And SFR tactics was difrent from others (thats why it was a best server) now insted of groups of 40 guild players there is just one huge blob of 100 like on vizu or piken and thats total fail. Guilds just cant get into wvw.

lukasx.1749:

Gibson.4036:

lukasx.1749:

I have nothing aginst bring more players if are truly intrested at WvW however when they come for 1 weak to get all achivments and destroy server chance to win league and then 6 weaks does nothing is realy weird and extremly unfair to all players who make server best et EU.

Are you saying your server has a significantly larger number of achievement hunters than the servers that are against you?

If not, then aren’t all servers equally handicapped by achievement hunters?

SFR was medium servers now its nearly full, and all these players came just for achivments and rewards. And SFR tactics was difrent from others (thats why it was a best server) now insted of groups of 40 guild players there is just one huge blob of 100 like on vizu or piken and thats total fail. Guilds just cant get into wvw.

Oh please.

Bad Vizu and Piken overblob your blob, boohoo. As if Piken is not in the same position as SFR. Maybe it is your “different tactic” that is just flawed in the sense that it fails to take into account and work with all the players, not only organized guilds?

This the second time you have major problems with influx of new players. Yet the result is the same – denial, outcry and blame. Good luck with your best tactic ever, what can I say.

BTW some of Piken WvW guilds moved to SFR and while they clearly did so “just for achievement and rewards”, it undoubtedly benefits SFR rather than Piken.

Remove JUMP PUZZLE from WWW! And build normal Queue with WWW guild priority!

Recently my PvE guild started doing WvW. All the sudden they are running around with 25+. When I ask why, is because of achievement points. When I ask if they will stick around in a few weeks when we get our butts kicked, the vast majority said ‘no’, and that they are only in WvW for achievements. Meanwhile, I am waiting in a Queue, in the silver league, and the real WvW guilds that have putting work since launch can’t get their groups in WvW either. So yes, I say get rid of achievements and let us WvWers enjoy one of the few aspects of the game we like.

For me, this is a bit of a double edged sword.

All I play is wvw, and I actually really like the skins you can get for AP. I probably dont need to go any further as to why I enjoy being able to generate AP by playing WvW. Basically, now I actually can.

The other side is, it is definitely bringing in people who only care about them. And, they will undoubtedly leave when they get what they want (locusts ). Even then though, some might stay, which for non-t1 servers is mostly a very, very good thing.

I am waiting to see how it all plays out, because in a week or two, all of those players will be gone from wvw, but wvw players will still have the opportunity to earn AP.

On another note, some servers actually try to involve the “militia PUGs” in movements? I have always thought that would result in a great strength if a server did it. Better player retention, no arbitrary rules (get in TS or get out of our zerg!), better communication for those without TS, and better coordination for the entire server.

Whenever I have tried to bring it up to my server, I essentially get laughed at and told “PUGs will never mean anything, the only people who contribute are those on TS.” I would absolutely LOVE to get out of that mindset and environment…

Personally, I would prefer that ANet hides the achievements points instead. The league is fine with rewards based on how much you contributed, but it should not show up and allow people to try and fulfill it. It should be hidden and let the people play WvW the way it’s been played. At the end of the season, the rewards will show up as your contributions made instead. Let’s not turn WvW into purely PVE achievement based and those PVE’rs won’t be constantly trying to grind and accomplish the rewards instead of fighting for the server. I’m sure the queues will be minimized but yet it’ll increase the WvW activity since people will still want the hidden rewards…

Threads like this…

SFR was mainly carried by RG/SIN/NOE/OSC.
Only the last one remain. This server has no community.

Queue and pve’rs are not the problem in SFR.

PvE people come into WvW for achievements —> get addicted —> more WvW people. Sure, not 100% of the people who are achievement hunting will stay, but even 10% staying will be great!

playandchill.3908:

SFR was mainly carried by RG/SIN/NOE/OSC.
Only the last one remain. This server has no community.

Queue and pve’rs are not the problem in SFR.

until this crazy achivment hunt SFR was cleary top server, sure all named guilds done and does great however core is Fubar aliance, these guilds was wining over all now they cant get to wvw and thats a sad, they made us best and now they are bored in ques (most of them playes only wvw and never do pve).

Yaro.3251:

lukasx.1749:

Gibson.4036:

lukasx.1749:

I have nothing aginst bring more players if are truly intrested at WvW however when they come for 1 weak to get all achivments and destroy server chance to win league and then 6 weaks does nothing is realy weird and extremly unfair to all players who make server best et EU.

Are you saying your server has a significantly larger number of achievement hunters than the servers that are against you?

If not, then aren’t all servers equally handicapped by achievement hunters?

SFR was medium servers now its nearly full, and all these players came just for achivments and rewards. And SFR tactics was difrent from others (thats why it was a best server) now insted of groups of 40 guild players there is just one huge blob of 100 like on vizu or piken and thats total fail. Guilds just cant get into wvw.

Oh please.

Bad Vizu and Piken overblob your blob, boohoo. As if Piken is not in the same position as SFR. Maybe it is your “different tactic” that is just flawed in the sense that it fails to take into account and work with all the players, not only organized guilds?

This the second time you have major problems with influx of new players. Yet the result is the same – denial, outcry and blame. Good luck with your best tactic ever, what can I say.

BTW some of Piken WvW guilds moved to SFR and while they clearly did so “just for achievement and rewards”, it undoubtedly benefits SFR rather than Piken.

Before we had simple tactic 40 players hunt blobs and 40 cap keeps and towers, now we are lucky if we get 30 organized players to wvw so all tactics are useless. Noob move around and watch like turirst and parazite on achivmemnts.

You know, on all servers, especially top tier ones, not much guilds can raid atm due to the queue. It’s incredible to think only SFR splits their raid guilds during primetime and has these issues.

Kingface.9781:

You know, on all servers, especially top tier ones, not much guilds can raid atm due to the queue. It’s incredible to think only SFR splits their raid guilds during primetime and has these issues.

I know thats why i think that remove of achivments would keep at wvw only players truely interested and not just scavangers or achivment w*o**s.

Achievement Points are fine. People transferring to stacked servers even after they are warned is the real cause.

Stack more.

style.6173:

Bringing more people to WvW is a good thing. A lot of people are just too short sighted to realize this.

No, it’s not.

More players = more server lag (because Anet still hasn’t fixed this from day 1), it also means more people not paying attention to commanders, wasting supplies, hopping on seige w/o mastery when people are asking for masters only. It also bogs down queues because of all the people taking up space in the jumping puzzles.

I understand we shouldn’t tell others how to play the game, but this is seriously effect the game play of people who have committed to just WvW.

Getting PvErs into WvW is frustrating in the short term, but it’s better for WvW in the long term.

If you train them to WvW properly instead of blowing them off, some will learn, might get hooked and improve your server coverage.

Play the long game, everyone will be better off.

This is crazy.
Two hours Queues…
Enemies flipping friendly the colour of the ruins….
Dozens of people leaving the character in TP to avoid queues….
People allowing attacks to later reconquer…
People running away from the most minimal combat…

wtf is this?
WvW is not ready for achievements in this moment, stop it till you have started the overflow WvW map.

azizul.8469:

Achievement Points are fine. People transferring to stacked servers even after they are warned is the real cause.

Stack more.

SFR activly recruited more guilds :P

Haltair.3062:

This is crazy.
Two hours Queues…
Enemies flipping friendly the colour of the ruins….
Dozens of people leaving the character in TP to avoid queues….
People allowing attacks to later reconquer…
People running away from the most minimal combat…

wtf is this?
WvW is not ready for achievements in this moment, stop it till you have started the overflow WvW map.

+1.

Problem is not the achievements itself, but rather that it was put under the Living Story tab instead of W3.

playandchill.3908:

SFR was mainly carried by RG/SIN/NOE/OSC.
Only the last one remain. This server has no community.

Queue and pve’rs are not the problem in SFR.

RG and SIN were here maybe month. We did just fine without them.

Maybe guilds should have right kill own server players. That would be awesome.

Hidden achievements – sounds like a good idea.

Handin.4032:

PvE people come into WvW for achievements —> get addicted --> more WvW people. Sure, not 100% of the people who are achievement hunting will stay, but even 10% staying will be great!

^^ This – now they just need to sort out queues and maps because barriers to play is the biggest turn-off/obstacle to getting into enjoying something.

“Let’s see, what should I play tonight, oh I’ll try a bit of WvW again, that was cool last night. Hmmm.. full BL, queue up, ok, maybe I’ll try another, oh that’s full too.” etc.

Have this happen every day and you’ll turn newfound enjoyment over WvW into distaste for that gaming mode.

Edge of the Mists is one feature to help out sorting that, but it will arrive MUCH too late if it’s slated for 2014. Queues have always been bad for WvW, but this is just ridiculous now.

Aezyr.5304:

azizul.8469:

Achievement Points are fine. People transferring to stacked servers even after they are warned is the real cause.

Stack more.

SFR activly recruited more guilds :P

Pls, I’m begging you, don’t say “SFR did this and that”. I’m from SFR and I did nothing you said. I was fine with the wvw, even with the 1hour-queue on primetime. Everytime someone is referring to SFR by doing this or that, my eyes start to bleed, because it seems, that ppl like to generalise.
It’s just excelled by the suggestion to transfer to an other server :/ I think, no one who says that has ever imagined that he might be in the same situation once.

Its just funny that game is caled Guild wars, however no guilds can join war at wvw becose it just full of brainless farming zombies. Good would be if that achivments were accesable only from some wvw rank for example 200, that would make a good filter only for these who want to make it realy seriously.

Check your files… Another day in which I did not play the game due to the queues generated by the achievements.
Flipping conquers by deal is more common each day, as well as people leaving their character afk to avoid the queues…
A couple of days more and I will start looking for a new game…

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

WvWvW Elitists…..

I am a so called PVE leech ruining all your fun. If big lags and zerging is it, u can have it…
When the meta is over u won’t see us leeches anymore because that game mode is just lame in general. Anet put in some effort to seduce PVE’rs to try out WvWvW but I doubt that will last in current state.

So as a PVE i agree remove meta APs and rewards from WvWvW and give them to everyone. So i wont have to farm in that legfest.

Handin.4032:

PvE people come into WvW for achievements —> get addicted --> more WvW people. Sure, not 100% of the people who are achievement hunting will stay, but even 10% staying will be great!

Worked for me, I had to do world completion and decided to try just one fight in wvw. Hooked from then on.

Bloodthirst.6451:

WvWvW Elitists…..

I am a so called PVE leech ruining all your fun. If big lags and zerging is it, u can have it…
When the meta is over u won’t see us leeches anymore because that game mode is just lame in general. Anet put in some effort to seduce PVE’rs to try out WvWvW but I doubt that will last in current state.

So as a PVE i agree remove meta APs and rewards from WvWvW and give them to everyone. So i wont have to farm in that legfest.

You and those like you won’t be missed

Bloodthirst.6451:

WvWvW Elitists…..

I am a so called PVE leech ruining all your fun. If big lags and zerging is it, u can have it…
When the meta is over u won’t see us leeches anymore because that game mode is just lame in general. Anet put in some effort to seduce PVE’rs to try out WvWvW but I doubt that will last in current state.

So as a PVE i agree remove meta APs and rewards from WvWvW and give them to everyone. So i wont have to farm in that legfest.

Don’t need to give you anything. You already have plenty from the %90+ of the APs already being PvE based. Not to mention all the bonus stats all the people actually contributing to WvW give to the PvE side, vit buff, gather buffs, all that long list of buffs that are in the WvW tab you can’t be bothered to think about, but kitten , you sure are entitled to them with no effort on you part.

aspirine.6852:

Handin.4032:

PvE people come into WvW for achievements —> get addicted --> more WvW people. Sure, not 100% of the people who are achievement hunting will stay, but even 10% staying will be great!

Worked for me, I had to do world completion and decided to try just one fight in wvw. Hooked from then on.

Good to see this happening but I suspect the end result is more of a zero sum game. Currently on my server you would need to gain 5 dedicated WvW players to offset the loss of me and my 4 friends. No complaints from us, the game has just gone in a direction we would rather not follow.

Hello hello!!Once the game is destroyed by Arena net …what happens to the worldvs world is completely sick…People that in past were in WvW no can’t cuz of high participation of pvers to get this achievments points…omgf.I am really sad and i don’t enjoy this game anymore with this choices if u want to add more achievments points add to pve section or enlarge wvw maps…To add more one map is not the solution…

Its temporary, these people will leave eventually so relax. Its good to have variety and events imo.

Another night unable to enter the game.
Anet, I only play WvW, the queues destroy my game experience. Atm playing warhammer quest in the Ipad…incredible

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Here is your feedback. That is what Wvw should be about? Good job.

WvW sucks now.

piciu.7231:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8lWtjxdUM

Here is your feedback. That is what Wvw should be about? Good job.

WvW sucks now.

Awesome WvW!!Arena net made it well…

AP grind and carrot chasing. WvW gets better.

insy.7083:

Remove JUMP PUZZLE from WWW! And build normal Queue with WWW guild priority!

Amen on removing the jumping Puzzles OH wait! Theres a guild on SoR that believes setting 10 siege in the BL jumping puzzle and staying there for 4 hours is WvW

Problem is you need 15 archivments but most of them arent obtainable simply through playing WvW but you realy need to focus on it.
I spended whole days in it since season started and most of archievments are so low in progresion that i will probably never be able to do them in time even if i will spend every day in WvW.

when you have an environment that is already full, bringing in more is a mistake.
This is the real a.net failure, they knew the amount of people who play www on a regular basis and that most EU server were experiencing queues.
Still they come up with the bright idea of bringing more people in wvw.

This is not a enjoyable gamin experience at all.

If arenanet doesn’t want to remove these achievement i think that if they give 0 AP people not interested in wvwvw but only interested in Achievement Points will be discouraged in entering wvwvw
i’ve wrote a post here about it
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Season-Achievements-should-give-0-AP/first#post3096464

Maybe it’s not the perfect solution, but it’s better than nothing and it should be easy to do