Guild Wars 2

I didnt read the whole thread, Im casting my vote based on my experience.

As a casual pve player, the season 1 is a great success. I play 2-3hrs a day, maybe 10hrs on a dayoff and I managed to complete the achievements. Aside from the season achievements, I am loving the whole wvw experience. Wvw gave me new goals to work on, inspires me to get better everyday, coordinate with other player etc…

Im sure Anet will learn from this season and improve upcoming season.

Rage.8197:

Geniekid.2645:

No, not a failure.

Most of the problems people have mentioned in this thread are WvW problems, not seasonal league tournament problems. Just the fact that you have all these angry people who suddenly care about their WvW status when they didn’t give a kitten before is a huge success.

You do realize this is a WvW discussion right? Of course they are WvW problems. server imbalances are huge. DB would be lucky to be a viable bronze league at this point. It just means a ton of infighting and no chance to actually play in WvW because servers with greater activity i.e. FA just spawn camp and zerg roll over everything lower end servers try to mount. It’s not fun if it’s not even competitive.

What? DB is a solid Silver League. The problem was that FA, SBI and Yaks didn’t belong there.

Anet needs to read the strength of the servers better and make divisions better. TC, SoS, Mag, FA, SBI and Yaks would be a great league.

1. When a season starts, split WvW into two parts: 1 for season play, and 1 for the normal ‘casual’ WvW play using the existing matchup system. Meta achievements can be obtained in either. This may help with allowing players to still get into a WvW matchup while being queued up for season play. Also allows achievement hunters more options for completion.
2. Season play should be for guilds/players that register for it prior to the start of the season, and be intelligently placed into teams based on several factors.
3. Guild membership (players must choose 1 of their guilds to represent during season play, and guild leaders then register that guild for the season).
4. Once the registration period is closed, no player who was not registered for the season will be able to enter season play, but would still be able to get into the normal WvW matchup at least.
5. Transfers between servers have no affect on season play, only the casual WvW.
6. After registration is closed, analysis of the register guilds and players can be done to gather information from players’ normal playing hours/time zones, WvW/PvP achievements, GvG rankings should GvG tournaments ever be implemented, guild sizes, past season finishes, and so on. This analysis can then be used to as evenly as possible distribute guilds across teams such as to create competitive matchups.
7. Additional game mechanics can be added in the event any matchup does become overly lopsided such as having dynamic events spawn against any team whose score exceeds a certain threshold above the other teams. For example, if 1st place has 20k more points over 2nd and 3rd, this could spawn a dragon + army to attack 1st place’s garrison. During the event, 1st place stops earning points for that garrison and possibly starts losing points the longer the dragon remains attacking. Should the garrison lord be defeated by the dragon/army, then that team could further suffer a points loss such as a percentage of their lead over 2nd place. i.e. their lead could be cut in half. Successfully defeating the dragon, however, gives the participating players a chest reward; no additional team points, of course, as this mechanic is intended to keep scores closer. It would also be cool to give an opposing randomly selected team member the opportunity to play as and control the dragon’s actions, giving the dragon the chance to be more ‘intelligent’ and challenging. Player cannot move the dragon away from the fight and must be actively attacking or otherwise be removed from control.

Anyway, these are my ideas for attempting to balance season play.

Johje Holan.4607:

Rage.8197:

Geniekid.2645:

No, not a failure.

Most of the problems people have mentioned in this thread are WvW problems, not seasonal league tournament problems. Just the fact that you have all these angry people who suddenly care about their WvW status when they didn’t give a kitten before is a huge success.

You do realize this is a WvW discussion right? Of course they are WvW problems. server imbalances are huge. DB would be lucky to be a viable bronze league at this point. It just means a ton of infighting and no chance to actually play in WvW because servers with greater activity i.e. FA just spawn camp and zerg roll over everything lower end servers try to mount. It’s not fun if it’s not even competitive.

What? DB is a solid Silver League. The problem was that FA, SBI and Yaks didn’t belong there.

Anet needs to read the strength of the servers better and make divisions better. TC, SoS, Mag, FA, SBI and Yaks would be a great league.

Just food for thought….https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/The-NA-Silver-League-Thread/first I don’t think Anet really missed the strength of servers as much as people keep saying. I think the community missed it as well.

Johje you said “Why are you guilds leaving IoJ? You’re in a great position. You just got finished with a few weeks of some of the closest matches in WvW history. You’re competitive with BP, CD, Ebay and Yaks. Probably now DB too. Makes no sense. I was thinking you’d have the most fun of any server – and the best to transfer to.”

I’m not saying that the Silver league was accurately balanced, however, Yak’s did lose to SBI by almost 200K in week 2 of league 1. We then beat SBI by about 95K in week 6. I know we had an amazing coordinated effort to prepare and fight SBI for the rematch, however, I don’t really see us being able to keep up that level of effort week in and week out. I guess my point is that I doubt you would have seen that level of effort outside of the leagues. I agree coverage is the name of the game but there is some incentive as a result of the leagues. I for one have enjoyed the leagues even though most of the matchups have been blowouts. I don’t think canning the league system will make it any better and I don’t feel like the matchups were any better before the leagues started.

Just noting that Yak’s (preseason was picked by other players as high as 4th for the silver league) only beat Dragonbrand by about 85K points. I doubt you guys need to be in the bronze league, however, I do agree the problem is and always will be coverage. I think Yak’s surprised a lot of people and now it’s easy to say that Yak’s doesn’t belong against BP, Ebay, and DB, but don’t blame Anet for not noticing this when the player base themselves had it wrong too.

I apologize…I edited the post b/c in some predictions YB was as high as 4th place.

TogoChubb.3984:

Johje Holan.4607:

Rage.8197:

Geniekid.2645:

No, not a failure.

Most of the problems people have mentioned in this thread are WvW problems, not seasonal league tournament problems. Just the fact that you have all these angry people who suddenly care about their WvW status when they didn’t give a kitten before is a huge success.

You do realize this is a WvW discussion right? Of course they are WvW problems. server imbalances are huge. DB would be lucky to be a viable bronze league at this point. It just means a ton of infighting and no chance to actually play in WvW because servers with greater activity i.e. FA just spawn camp and zerg roll over everything lower end servers try to mount. It’s not fun if it’s not even competitive.

What? DB is a solid Silver League. The problem was that FA, SBI and Yaks didn’t belong there.

Anet needs to read the strength of the servers better and make divisions better. TC, SoS, Mag, FA, SBI and Yaks would be a great league.

Just food for thought….https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/The-NA-Silver-League-Thread/first I don’t think Anet really missed the strength of servers as much as people keep saying. I think the community missed it as well.

Johje you said “Why are you guilds leaving IoJ? You’re in a great position. You just got finished with a few weeks of some of the closest matches in WvW history. You’re competitive with BP, CD, Ebay and Yaks. Probably now DB too. Makes no sense. I was thinking you’d have the most fun of any server – and the best to transfer to.”

I’m not saying that the Silver league was accurately balanced, however, Yak’s did lose to SBI by almost 200K in week 2 of league 1. We then beat SBI by about 95K in week 6. I know we had an amazing coordinated effort to prepare and fight SBI for the rematch, however, I don’t really see us being able to keep up that level of effort week in and week out. I guess my point is that I doubt you would have seen that level of effort outside of the leagues. I agree coverage is the name of the game but there is some incentive as a result of the leagues. I for one have enjoyed the leagues even though most of the matchups have been blowouts. I don’t think canning the league system will make it any better and I don’t feel like the matchups were any better before the leagues started.

Just noting that Yak’s (preseason was picked by other players as high as 4th for the silver league) only beat Dragonbrand by about 85K points. I doubt you guys need to be in the bronze league, however, I do agree the problem is and always will be coverage. I think Yak’s surprised a lot of people and now it’s easy to say that Yak’s doesn’t belong against BP, Ebay, and DB, but don’t blame Anet for not noticing this when the player base themselves had it wrong too.

I apologize…I edited the post b/c in some predictions YB was as high as 4th place.

You are correct. Before the leagues I would have put DB in the “Second” League with TC, SoS, Mag, FA and SBI. That’s because they imploded right before the leagues and no one really knew where they stood. And you all (Yaks) have gotten stronger as the league went on it seems – is that accurate?

You are also correct that Yaks is probably just a half tier level below SoS, Mag, FA and SBI. And TC is a half level higher than them.

Just before the leagues, IoJ was in two very close matches with BP, who was on par with Ebay and pre-league Yaks I would say. These leagues have caused a lot of changes in server strength.

Unfortunately you’re got to put servers together into leagues in multiples of 3 so there is no perfect way to do it.

However, I think even knowing what we knew then, having 4 leagues in NA consisting of BG/JQ/SoR in their own league. (May have prevented SoR falling the way they have.) Then:

TC, SoS, Mag, FA, SBI, DB
Yaks, BP, Ebay, CD, IoJ, NSP
HoD, Kain, SF, FC, DH, ET, DR, GoM, AR

would have been better than what we got. (Except that the Yaks, Ebay, SBI match last week never would have happened. And that was the most epic, best match in the history of WvW as far as I’m concerned – an I’m on SBI. Proved a 2v1 can defeat a “stronger” server. So I’m kinda glad it happened the way it did.)

So what was my point again? Oh yeah. Anet needs to do a better job at grouping the servers up if there is another league. And they also need to change some of the achievements and rewards (imo do away with rewards altogether).

It was by and large good except for the fact that the devs didn’t address the massive pop imbalance/stacking issue one tiny bit.
Apart from that, I find it a definitive improvement. It encouraged more smart PPT-play and less Karma-play and crucially we finally got regular matchups between servers roughly equal. This is what we wanted from the very beginning, it is that simple, not those bizarre 11-place difference randomized matchups you gave us last Spring.

Johje Holan.4607:

However, I think even knowing what we knew then, having 4 leagues in NA consisting of BG/JQ/SoR in their own league. (May have prevented SoR falling the way they have.) Then:

TC, SoS, Mag, FA, SBI, DB
Yaks, BP, Ebay, CD, IoJ, NSP
HoD, Kain, SF, FC, DH, ET, DR, GoM, AR

would have been better than what we got.

Well, I think there should have been 4 leagues, but those are not quite the servers I would have matched. I suppose I can still agree that it would be better than what actually happened though.

Obviously, people have had a different experience playing CD, IoJ, and NSP than I have in Silver league during this season. Honestly, I would have put all 3 of those in the ‘Bronze’ league. I really don’t think any of them are on par with the population/coverage of BP, EB, and definitely not YB, but I do think against DH, HoD, and possibly SF there could have been some very interesting matches.

My pick would be something like:

1: SoR, BG, JQ, TC, FA, Mag
2: SBI, YB, BP, EB, SoS, DB
3: CD, IoJ, NSP, HoD, DH, SF
4: Kain, FC, ET, DR, GoM, AR

First of all I’d like to thank everyone who has contributed to this poll whether you disagreed with me or not.

Morinmeth.9823:

Not the best place to do a poll like that, people on the forums tend to whine about everything.
If you really want an objective post, go into WvW itself, ask around during many times of day and night and get statistics from there…

Actually I read and heard way more curses in game (and especially in Teamspeak) than before after the start of Season 1. I also saw a lot of people who just didn’t care about scoring points, they were out there farming their achievements. Even some of our best commanders were disgruntled by Season 1 (I heard them talking in TS). There were also indirect signs of disappointment: queues were mostly long gone and TS was growing silent.
All that made me thinking about a forum poll despite its downsides.

dooger.2640:

Sad part is, they dont care. Expect it to get rammed down our throats again, players are not part of the process in this game.

Ihales.3820:

Anet either doesn’t have single clue about competitive gaming or they simply don’t care.

That’s exactly my point, to help ANet care. I doubt that they don’t care. It’s just a very tricky task to bring everyone together in a fight against each other and to please everyone (both nerds who play 24/7 and casual players alike; those who play just for fun and those who play to compensate for real life; those who consider grinding fun and those who seek challenge, etc.). No MMO game has succeded in it so far.
But what really puzzles me is how ANet managed to mess up the season schedule so much. It only takes basic mathematics to do it properly while irritation of players was so predictable.

Luthan.5236:

Do we already have official responses?

Not yet.

Freeelancer.2860:

I just wanted to inform you that, while your sentiment is understandable, from psychological standpoint your question is rigged and thus the whole poll is useless for any reasonable consideration.

Mireles Lore.5942:

This poll shows the authors bias with a loaded question and title that would deter people who would disagree from speaking and don’t feel like its representative to the game population as a whole that don’t even come to the forums…

I’m aware of the framing effect. But any simple random sampling is likely to more or less unrepresentative when the sample is very small as compared to the population. I believe the framing effect won’t contribute much to the initial distortion. And even if it will that doesn’t make this poll useless at all. Besides, strictly speaking anything I post as OP can change the way people respond. Furthermore, seeing other people’s votes also may change the way people would vote. So it can’t be perfect anyway.

Mireles Lore.5942:

…especially when you have a “neutral” count for people that found some fault, but did not voice agreement that season 1 was as a failure. Its either they said it was a failure or they didn’t, how they evaluated and expressed their thoughts on improvement is irrelevant.

Neutral votes are those that can’t really be decided, pros and cons balance out each other. Some ambiguity is inevitable when people don’t just say ‘Yes’ or ‘No’. But if a person clearly stated that he disagreed I never reckoned it as a ‘neutral’ vote even if a list of improvements followed.

LHound.8964:

Vimtor.5483:

“The Season 1 is a failure overall”. Do you agree?*

No.

Any step in competitiveness of the WvW, it’s a good step imho.
Could it be done better? Yes!

A failure? Definitively not!

/cheers

+1
agree!!

Was not a disappointment.
Just for the better match-ups with more like mided server (silver league EU ftw) it was worth it, wvw was much more fun.
Also, after the achievement rush ended, more wvw players stayed, bringing more action.
We all know there is much more room to improve with wvw, but overall season 1 was improvement to state of wvw before.

was a disappointment it was badly co ordinated.

it started up vizunah vs sfr vs piken but piken shouldn’t have fought in final matchup because they were ranked 4th instead jade sea should have fought against us because they are tied with sfr rank 2.

also more and more pugs came to sfr when season began there was no closing the servers no instead Arenanet asked for 3 hours+ que t1 that’s amazing. no wonder they stick to silver league so they got latterly no que but they let t1 be harmed and lose good ppls and get bad quality.

Vimtor.5483:

Alas, WvW feels demotivating as never before (since the very launch of the game). Personal skills and coordination within group still have a miserable impact on the outcome of the battle. And still there is no means to punish the players who ruin teamplay (like kicking from server, for example, or banning for awhile, or any other). I consider myself a casual gamer and too often I feel like I’m wasting my time joining WvW. I find no fun in running around hoping that the zerg I encounter is smaller than mine because numbers are the only thing that actually matters in Guild Wars 2 WvW.

Agreed.

I really liked the idea of the meta-achievement (and really wanted the Mini Dolyak) but Arenanet’s pathetic (and long-standing) server problems meant I was locked out of WvW for more than a month. I don’t know if I even want to keep playing the game after that.

It was, due to one thing, and one thing only – randomized matchups. Some servers had a baylife, some were facing toughest opponents more than any1 else in the league. Fairness of matchups ftw

I’m not going to waste time listing all the reasons I didn’t like it, but I truly hope this is the first and last of “seasons.” The main issue that I saw with the meta was the insane trolling to either manipulate outcomes or get achievements.

Either way… no thanks.

Edit to say, I just saw this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Reward-Chest-7-greens

Again, no thanks.

I loved season 1.
Just quick couple of questions, those that didnt enjoy it, was the main problem coverage? If so I take it ur not too happy about what was going on while u weren’t there? why would u bother about what happens when u not there? Did u have queues at ur time of play? if so it means pretty even fights. enjoyable fights. we had servers in our league that had better coverage, though my time of play is my regions prime time so i had even and excellent fights. If people got steamed rolled early hours in the morning and the enemy flipped all our maps thats not my problem nothing i can do when im sleeping, so why worry about it? Gives me something extra to achieve the following day when we take em all back. Too many people concerned with PPT instead of enjoying the game. I cant even tell u without looking now what position our server finished in, because i don’t care, as long as I stay in silver because thats where we get best prime time fights. To be honest i think more people are whining about the league because they didnt win, and someone else did. I had the best variety of battles ever since i started play WvW from the start, and would of welcomed season 2/3/4/5/6/etc to continuously run 1 after an another, an the only thing i am disappointed at is that they don’t run 1 after another.

The league made no positive difference in how matches were played. The league did make it very clear that ANet is dead set on this awful randomized match system and it was also a direct cause of even worse server population imbalances.

In short, the league was disappointing because it made existing problems worse.

It was a big mismatch poorly handled flop

After seeing the season one rewards… yes it was a huge success and I am completely serious. Everyone who dumped a ton of gems to stack servers got shafted and it made the butt ramming lower pop servers had to take for 7 weeks totally worth it. With all the crying Anet might just throw the stackers a bone though so we will see.

Season 1 was my first major delve into WvW. I have friends that play and I thought that this would be a good time to try it out. In short I have a lot of fun with WvW itself but I feel that Season 1 itself was detrimental to the game. Some impressions:

- The achievements need serious reworking. Some of them are very much grind: mercenary, sentries, dolyaks particularly. These led to a lot of people (myself included) running sentry/camp trains in circles around the maps instead of actually playing WvW. We need more achievements for defense as well. The achievements should encourage healthy and coordinated play, and I think that was the intent this time but the mark was missed.

- I’m one of many many PvE players that chose this time to immerse themselves in WvW, and it was a nightmare for us and the WvW vets as well. Most of us were running around clueless, especially in a zerg. The veteran players tried to help us, but WvW isn’t very intuitive, particularly when you’re achievement hunting, and we had a lot of miscommunication and white noise on both sides. By the final weeks the veterans were very frustrated with us and not afraid to show it, particularly on TeamSpeak. It was rough all around.

- I’m on FA and it’s pretty clear that our victory is the result of superior numbers and poor matchings. That final week against SBI is how it should have been the whole season; instead we did a lot of rolling over smaller servers.

- Meta reward needs to be culled. It should be a title, or at most only things useful to WvW like liquid xp. Part of the reason so many PvE players jumped in is because that key is a tease; if they know that all they’re getting is a couple vials and a title, they’ll be much less inclined to complete the thing.

In the end I’m glad for the experience, but I don’t think I’ll be back for Season 2. Or if I am, I’m making a coordinated effort to play properly. I and others did a lot of getting in the way of serious players this season, and I’m sorry for that. But I really do enjoy WvW, and I’m glad I gained an understanding of that side of the game and those players.

Season 1 was great. I played to win and have fun; not for the loot.

Ayrilana.1396:

Season 1 was great. I played to win and have fun; not for the loot.

If you played solely to win and have fun, surely Season 1 was terrible because it made the queues on all non-Tier 1 worlds much longer?

I’m glad it’s over, I didn’t get to play much apart from the 1st Two weeks to be honest, but the queues and lag then were as you imagine: BAD.
My Home Server is Desolation, so we got a big influx of PVE’ers who were achievement hunters and headless chickens, on the positive side there were plenty who found an interested in wvw.

Many people stuck around to help win the Silver League, though I’m not sure how much they learned or whether they’ll be still playing wvw in the future , since that Season One has ended.

It’s been good and bad for Desolation: it’s been bad because our image and reputation got hit due to the reliance on our PVE population, which gave us that Advantage of having the numbers to help cover the off peak.
During Prime Time we usually struggled, it was mainly due to our handful of Guilds and veterans having no control over the player population on the map. this is especially during those times when the queues were 1+ hour long.
I don’t wish to demean our entire PVE population though, cause I’m sure there are plenty that will stick around and will continue to contribute positively towards our wvw community now.

Anyway, I guess it doesn’t matter anymore since we’ve all found that the rewards are underwhelming., no matter where you finished.
All the QQ that filled the Matchup threads over those Dolyak finishers and competition over places, was a waste of time in the end.

There seems to be much hostility from the Leagues among certain communities towards these bandwagoners and PVE’ers.
We should ALL have been trying to have fun in wvw, instead of arguing on the forums or worrying about the scores, but I suppose things like queues and clueless pugs can frustrate us veterans unless your on the winning side.

Still why can’t everyone get along?
Is it that wvw has such a steep learning curve, is it that so many matchups and Leagues end up so one sided or were the queues so bad.
Why does so many wvw veterans feel such entitlement, that they must throw such vitriol and look down on their own Pugs?
WvW can be as casual and hardcore as you want. Everything else is Anet’s fault for not addressing these FLAWS, that continue to hamper people’s enjoyment of wvw.

I’m glad that normal matchups are back, although I did have fun when I did get to play, especially during that first week even with the queues..
Now I’m looking forward to playing wvw again without “artificial” Competition., not that the old system was any good.

Carzor Stelatis.9435:

Ayrilana.1396:

Season 1 was great. I played to win and have fun; not for the loot.

If you played solely to win and have fun, surely Season 1 was terrible because it made the queues on all non-Tier 1 worlds much longer?

No. I was on tier 1 and got in within an hour except for reset nights.

Okay,

i love WvW and i like the idea of a league and some more competition for WvW. So i was really excited when i first heard about the WvW league. But when it started things turned out a bit different:

(long story short):
- First 2-3 weeks: massive lags, skilldelay, disconnects, full queues. It was terrible and unplayable for the most time. Almost lost motivation to play.
- The scoring system isn’t fair, but that’s nothing new. So, a league based on that system is maybe not the best idea.
- I think adding the rewards brought a lot of chaos to many servers.
- Some minor stuff… f. ex. the toxic event stuff during the league is fail.

So yes, i can not recall many good things in season 1 and i would call it a disappointment for me. But i also say ArenaNet should definetly keep on working and improve WvW and the idea of a league. I love that idea. Learn from all mistakes done in season 1 and try to do better in season 2.

+1 vote for enjoyable season.

It was just normal WvW but with some really fun match-ups thrown in. With a free chest at the end…

wvw this season is surprisingly not a disappointment. the sweet tears of kittens and band wagoners everywhere is the only redeeming factor for this season. i say they deserve it and this reward is priceless to me. i didn’t imagine it would be this comical but it turn out people are so “entitled” to good rewards for almost ZERO effort whatsoever ( i have to do most of the achievement myself but in the end they worth it)
thank you a net for the rewards and dont bother making season 2 because most player will expect bigger reward as a compensation for the season 1 reward instead try to focus on the balancing for wvw and spvp and stop with the scarlet thing (its not going to happen, we expect elder dragons not some juvenile vegetable as the villain)

Stillmoon, I think they SHOULD make a Season 2, but tell us all exactly what prizes we’re going to get from the getgo at the announcement. Say all the crappy prizes, telling everybody in advance there’s no point to server stack. Then, on the day the chests come out, secretly change what everybody gets to something better, telling us that they are proud of us for not server stacking, and this is the reward. We need positive and negative reinforcement here, the general WvW populace are like wild animals, you must tame them.

Season one was terrible. More than a disappointment, it killed my interest in the game, and the rewards… well, haha, they’re a joke, and a funny one at that.

Failure.

I’ve been playing WvW every day but immediately quit when the season started. I’ll get back to WvW now that the season is done. My server got face rolled every week and got last place every single time. We hardly captured anything which is why I didn’t play.

Some of you probably think my opinion is invalid because I didn’t even play but let’s think about this for a second and ignore my situation completely and just think about the leagues in general for the average player. The average margin for victory during the season was much bigger because of the wide range of rankings/servers that people played during the tournament. When the matches are less competitive, it’s just not as fun for either side-even the winning side. I’ve been in matches where my server steam rolls lower ranked servers and that’s not fun either.

I think the seasons would be more interesting and more successful if something could be done to make match up have closer scores so that your server isn’t mathematically stuck stuck in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd on Wednesday. Getting into WvW and not knowing which place your server will finish would make it more exciting. They already have the format with 3 teams to promote this (idea of 2nd and 3rd place teams teaming up against the 1st) but it’s not really done too much. With these match ups in the season it was even quicker to see which server was going to win each match up and it really takes the fun out of it. It was also disappointing to see that in my servers match ups, 85% of the time one server held 75% or more of the stuff capped.

do you think my server rules? my server is a bunch of sorry kittens that doesn’t know anything to do if there is no blue tacos on the field (yeah IOJ, i am pointing finger at you) and during that 7 weeks the commanders seems like vanishes into thin air (“seems” because i know that they are there but refuse to tag up because there is no zergs going so they gain nothing by tagging up)
but that conditions doesn’t prevent me from going into wvw. taking camps, sentries solo and solo tower occasionally (i know its hard to believe but i have to go that far since kittens only want bags from champions)
what matters is you, if you dont enjoy it get the hell out of there.

overall season 1 is a fail and if there is another season 2, 3, 4 and so, they will fail unless a net balances and fix the zergfest known as wvw now (however the prize of season 1 is so epic i think the devs that make this happen is a genius)

I agree. Totally disappointed with how season 1 turned out. It had it’s shining moments, but overall WvW is in a bad state and something major needs to happen for me to keep playing and enjoying.

I vote yes, it is a disappointment.

Stillmoon.6894:

do you think my server rules? my server is a bunch of sorry kittens that doesn’t know anything to do if there is no blue tacos on the field (yeah IOJ, i am pointing finger at you) and during that 7 weeks the commanders seems like vanishes into thin air (“seems” because i know that they are there but refuse to tag up because there is no zergs going so they gain nothing by tagging up)
but that conditions doesn’t prevent me from going into wvw. taking camps, sentries solo and solo tower occasionally (i know its hard to believe but i have to go that far since kittens only want bags from champions)
what matters is you, if you dont enjoy it get the hell out of there.

This is not the first thread I’ve seen you slander your own server in, just today. A quick review of your post history shows me you enjoy doing that, and have been looking actively for a “mature guild” on our server. What you demonstrate is exactly the opposite of maturity.

If you haven’t been on the server a long time I wouldn’t be so quick to judge the people on it, many of whom are hardcore wvw players who’ve been on IoJ for more than a year and have stuck it out through some rough times. Those people are trying to improve things and you undermine their efforts with your self-aggrandizing posts.

If you see areas for improvement, do something about it. If you do nothing, then you’re just as ineffectual as you perceive your server mates to be, even more-so because of the poor and inaccurate image you create here on the forums.

Vimtor.5483:

Alas, WvW feels demotivating as never before (since the very launch of the game). Personal skills and coordination within group still have a miserable impact on the outcome of the battle. And still there is no means to punish the players who ruin teamplay (like kicking from server, for example, or banning for awhile, or any other). I consider myself a casual gamer and too often I feel like I’m wasting my time joining WvW. I find no fun in running around hoping that the zerg I encounter is smaller than mine because numbers are the only thing that actually matters in Guild Wars 2 WvW.

And introduction of Season 1 has taken the flaws to the extreme. Borderlands are flooded with people (resulting in long queues) who refuse to play the way WvW is meant to be played (i.e. capturing fortresses and defending them) but rather farm sentries, drain resources from their own keeps, chase lone enemy Assaulters and Generals or doing something similarly useful in hope to get the Season 1 achievement and leave WvW for good. And of course the servers with larger WvW population (especially at nights and early mornings) unevoidably win. Let alone the weird championship schedule favourable to some and unfavourable to other servers.

I’m not just theorizing. My server had both defeats (and it was no fun being helplessly wiped by bigger zergs all the time) and triumphs (which was no fun either since wiping smaller blobs involved no challenge at all, felt like a boring grinding).

I’ve seen a number of threads on the forum complaining about either Season 1 or current WvW state in general. And I’ve read some soothing replies from ArenaNet saying that they are working on the problems. But this clumsy championship with it’s awkward achievement motivation makes me wonder if making WvW fun and fair is their priority at all.

That said I’d like to make a poll of a sort. To concentrate the rumble in one thread and hopefully get heard and thoroughly answered by ArenaNet senior developers.

And here’s the bottomline: “The Season 1 is a failure overall”. Do you agree?

PS.
143 votes cast. 7 to go untill the next analysis and statistics.

As of 105 votes:
66% (69 votes) – agreed
26% (27 votes) – disagreed
8% (9 votes) – stayed neutral
24 posts were not votes or were extending previous vote post by the same author.

Comments:
There’s been a few speculations about how I determine votes and I feel I need to do some clarification to stop them. If a vote is given explicitly (i.e. ‘agree’ or ‘disagree’) it is counted the way it was given. If people didn’t give their vote explicitly but mentioned that they had fun (enjoyed it, can’t wait the next season, etc.) that it would be a ‘disagree’ and if they said that they had no fun (were bored, quit WvW, were kitten ed off, etc.) than it would be an ‘agree’ vote. After all, the main criterion was fun. If a person enumerates some cons and pros without voting explicitly or stating personal attitude than I count this as a ‘neutral’ vote, same as if someone explicitly says he’s ‘neutral’.

Conclusions:
The actual picture is even less pleasing for ANet than the numbers above suggest. Only 9 (out of 27 voters who “disagreed” and merely 9% of the total number of votes) were enthusiastic enough to admit they were completely satisfied. The rest, although still disagreed, rolled out a list of corrections that are necessary or highly wanted.

Top 3 problems people refer to in WvW S1:
1. Server coverage imbalances
2. Poor match-ups
3. Poor achievement choice & achievement hunting

But bear in mind that the current statistics could be unrepresentetive due to the low number of votes compared to whole GW2 population.

PPS.
Referring to one of the posts I’d like explain it here at the very beginning that this is not a whining thread. This is a feedback thread. When a new product (Season 1 in our case) arrives to the market the company that launched it needs a feedback to improve it or withdraw.
Besides, gamers need such organized feedback too to make themselves heard and possibly get in touch with those who responsible for strategic decisions about what the game should be like in the future.
If some of us consider Season 1 a failure, a disappointment, a disaster why don’t we give ANet another chance before moving on to rival games.

And I wonder if there are more votes will we get a reply from someone important at ANet? If yes, how many votes do we need to make it happen?

Agree, having half your wvw folks abandon your server with a transfer hours before the league starts.. we lost right then.. WvW Leagues = Failure.

Seems lots of servers complain they had no chance of winning, because a particular server was way to strong in ur match ups and steam rolled u 24/7.

Question:
Did anyone not bother trying to at least push for the 3 points for 2nd place if ur that interested in PPT?

While I’m incredibly proud as a Blackgate WvW member to have won season 1, I am also incredibly disappointed with almost every aspect of it. Matchups, structure and rewards. All of it.

Thanks for the lvl 76 exotic though Anet. Much appreciated.

Disagree.

I only joined WvW a few months into GW2 as a way to work toward a legendary. It’s all I’ve done since. The Season achievements were an awesome addition (some could have been better, a few were too many and some were too few) and I loved keeping track of rankings week to week, it felt like a competitive sport. I never had high expectations of massive rewards the way some people did, but that’s just me. I never expect huge rewards from a video game, only fun.

Two thumbs up from me.

EDIT: My question now: When’s Season 2? I can’t wait!

Yes, it was a disappointment. It encouraged pve players to come in and achieve hunt, but that behavior was not necessarily helpful to the success of the server (which eventually meant very little because of the lackluster rewards, a real let down after we pushed ourselves harder than ever) and significantly increased lag and queue times, making wvw more frustrating than before. Not to mention that ranking higher = greater reward for whole server brought out a level of ugly competitiveness, cheating and saobotage that has turned me (a hardcore wvwer of many months) off to the game mode entirely…
Yes. I’m very disappointed.

I dont like this season concept. I want some consequences for playing and losing. Not just a big esport.

I had a great time. It was some of the most fun I’d had in a while playing the game, even during the last two weeks of SBI’s matchups.

However, if everyone wants “PvE players” to stay away, then maybe it was a disappointment after it was over. Disappointment brought about by “teh hardcore” wanting to keep it all to themselves.

ChibiPoet.2961:

Disagree.

I only joined WvW a few months into GW2 as a way to work toward a legendary. It’s all I’ve done since. The Season achievements were an awesome addition (some could have been better, a few were too many and some were too few) and I loved keeping track of rankings week to week, it felt like a competitive sport. I never had high expectations of massive rewards the way some people did, but that’s just me. I never expect huge rewards from a video game, only fun.

Two thumbs up from me.

EDIT: My question now: When’s Season 2? I can’t wait!

I also really enjoyed that part of it too it was great to keep checking other servers scores, and thinking, “ok so we wont win league but if X server loses against Y server and we beat Z server we could beat X server.” lol rewards wasn’t an issue,winning the league wasnt an issue because most of the league accepted who the winner was gonna be before start, but that still didn’t stop people from wanting to get ahead of X server. and also people wanting to hold a position mid league to avoid being too low for relegation and too high for promotion (at that point most of EU silver did not realize that season 2 wasn’t too follow season 1 str8 after).

I liked it pretty well.

Then again, I don’t mind taking a little time to show folks new to the WvW maps the highlights or how to do the jump puzzle. They may be here just for this month’s achievement, but they may also come back and try it on a more serious footing if they find the place isn’t full of PEOPLE WHO SUCK.

Season 1 is history now and I guess I should be expecting no further input. This means it’s time to make the final conclusions. The phrase ‘appealling idea but appalling execution’ would fit the best to sum up all the votes. And of course the Season should never have started before the major inherent WvW issues were addressed.
But the final touch (i.e. the achievement reward) was admirable, imho. Not worthless, yet not posh.
I’d like to thank once again all of you who participated in this poll and I hope it was of a help to anybody else.