Guild Wars 2

the wvw linking poll just hit 75% for yes…..for the love of god and all things holy please go vote no….like right now. The linking is HORRIBLE for the game, and is a lazy out for the devs, instead of fixing whats actually broken with wvw….making people want to play their just combining worlds to make it APPEAR as if there are more people present.

Here’s a clue for you anet, alot, and by i mean alot i mean ALOT of people I wvw with arent bothering right now. We dont want the zerg fest running around everywhere, thats not enjoyable for some people. You have basically killed all the people who refuse! to be in a blob mindlessely following a tag like zombies.

I used to wvw…every day…hours a day, and was a commander. Now I go into wvw to complete guild missions, then leave. It is not fun fighting a hundred to 10.

I’d vote Yes twice if I could.

It has reinvigorated WvW.

Although I would prefer JQ have a stronger partner server because we tick at over 400 during SEA and then the filthy day cappers PvD everything for the other 18 hours.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Just curious, what world do you play for? I’m looking at the current breakdown of votes by world right now, and nearly every world has voted in favor of World Linking. There are a few that are 50/50, and one that is against it.

Tyler I play on fergusons crossing. Most of the people I play(ed) with in wvw arent even bothering anymore. Yea, we were small, yea were were like rank 16, but we enjoyed our small roaming gangs and having to use some skill and thought, not just play follow the blob every night.

as of this posting, were losing….AGAIN, down by about 26k points or so. oh, did I mention, its monday?

Oh, sorry, I meant to say I play on Darkhaven+ you know since FC doesent exist anymore.

My only complaint with the linking system is it isn’t proactively re-ranking and re-pairing often enough to compensate for player migration. Heard a good idea today, maybe even consider asymmetrical pairings to help the weakest servers, Going so far as to NOT pair some servers at all and some get multiple allies.

Honestly OP is the reason why you should completely avoid listening to the player base for the most part. You’ll never not find someone complaining about something, that’s fine. However in this situation he’s said nothing of value to back up his opinion.

It’s not making it appear like there is more players present, there is more players present. Before the player base was scattered on way to many servers each having their own borderland and an extra borderland in EB per tier. Currently there’s less tiers and more stacked servers by the link, removing servers or forcing the players to move onto ‘WvW’ servers would have been the death of the game for a lot of WvWers.

ESO had a perfectly fine WvW system, when the developers listened to the complaints of the few, it was broken in one patch.

Even Vince McMahon couldn’t save this sinking ship.

Cloud.7613:

Honestly OP is the reason why you should completely avoid listening to the player base for the most part. You’ll never not find someone complaining about something, that’s fine. However in this situation he’s said nothing of value to back up his opinion.

It’s not making it appear like there is more players present, there is more players present. Before the player base was scattered on way to many servers each having their own borderland and an extra borderland in EB per tier. Currently there’s less tiers and more stacked servers by the link, removing servers or forcing the players to move onto ‘WvW’ servers would have been the death of the game for a lot of WvWers.

ESO had a perfectly fine WvW system, when the developers listened to the complaints of the few, it was broken in one patch.

No, theirs more people per server, but if devs would fess up the numbers, you would probably see an over all decline in the total number of active wvw participants.

I realize that alot of people do like the linking, and thats all good and well, but at the same time they are alienating an entire spectrum of players that dont want to be part of the hot mess of zergfest we have right now.

Now i realize that one person saying this isnt worth a hill of beans, but I am the player that talks with my wallet, average I put into this game a week is $50 US. If i get annoyed enough, might spend 50 bucks on a different game, but thats me.

Every player they annoy/alienate or down right kitten off is lost money for the devs. End of story. Ask the developers over there at star wars galaxies how that worked out when hundreds of thousands of players got annoyed, and walked.

Iceband.3714:

Cloud.7613:

Honestly OP is the reason why you should completely avoid listening to the player base for the most part. You’ll never not find someone complaining about something, that’s fine. However in this situation he’s said nothing of value to back up his opinion.

It’s not making it appear like there is more players present, there is more players present. Before the player base was scattered on way to many servers each having their own borderland and an extra borderland in EB per tier. Currently there’s less tiers and more stacked servers by the link, removing servers or forcing the players to move onto ‘WvW’ servers would have been the death of the game for a lot of WvWers.

ESO had a perfectly fine WvW system, when the developers listened to the complaints of the few, it was broken in one patch.

No, theirs more people per server, but if devs would fess up the numbers, you would probably see an over all decline in the total number of active wvw participants.

I realize that alot of people do like the linking, and thats all good and well, but at the same time they are alienating an entire spectrum of players that dont want to be part of the hot mess of zergfest we have right now.

Now i realize that one person saying this isnt worth a hill of beans, but I am the player that talks with my wallet, average I put into this game a week is $50 US. If i get annoyed enough, might spend 50 bucks on a different game, but thats me.

Every player they annoy/alienate or down right kitten off is lost money for the devs. End of story. Ask the developers over there at star wars galaxies how that worked out when hundreds of thousands of players got annoyed, and walked.

Well the game mode was designed to have several hundreds of players per map, people just want WvW to be something it’s not. Linking servers to me is only a bandaid, it doesn’t fix the issue, but at least it’s better than how it was before.

And they were going to annoy/alienate a part of the population regardless with whatever they did, money gained, money lost, we cannot know the financial implications.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Just curious, what world do you play for? I’m looking at the current breakdown of votes by world right now, and nearly every world has voted in favor of World Linking. There are a few that are 50/50, and one that is against it.

People who quit due to the changes don’t vote. At least for my server/guild that’s the case.

On my server, there would be queues on reset, but we’d still get vastly outnumbered and only have 0-1 tag running since every one else is roaming / dueling / afking in spawn waiting for their friends or their servers commander to log on since they refuse to follow others.

What kind of numbers are you expecting? Wvw has been on the decline since day one, that’s nothing new.

They want to go with changes that the majority of players want, obviously not everyone is going to be happy with every decision. But if 75% say they want population linking I’m not going to sit here and say screw the 75% and take it off because I don’t like it.

Kitten off the 75% or the 25%? It ain’t going to be easy for them to try and make wvw better. They have to make some decisions for the betterment of the game, not just a small sub section of players who like roaming around these huge maps with 5 people. Not that, that gameplay is gone either, you might not find it in T1 much, but it’s still around in T4.

Seriously they just need to unlock the T8 servers and offer free transfers for those players that like running around and not seeing anyone else for 5 mins, then offer free tranfers for players off there that want to link up, to the T4 servers. They want their own backyard instead of being in the playground then give it to them and leave them there cause they ain’t gonna be happy with any type of merge into larger numbers… which wvw was made for.

Xenesis.6389:

What kind of numbers are you expecting? Wvw has been on the decline since day one, that’s nothing new.

They want to go with changes that the majority of players want, obviously not everyone is going to be happy with every decision. But if 75% say they want population linking I’m not going to sit here and say screw the 75% and take it off because I don’t like it.

Kitten off the 75% or the 25%? It ain’t going to be easy for them to try and make wvw better. They have to make some decisions for the betterment of the game, not just a small sub section of players who like roaming around these huge maps with 5 people. Not that, that gameplay is gone either, you might not find it in T1 much, but it’s still around in T4.

Seriously they just need to unlock the T8 servers and offer free transfers for those players that like running around and not seeing anyone else for 5 mins, then offer free tranfers for players off there that want to link up, to the T4 servers. They want their own backyard instead of being in the playground then give it to them and leave them there cause they ain’t gonna be happy with any type of merge into larger numbers… which wvw was made for.

75% of people that vote in no way shape or form represents the number of players that do or do not like this change. most of the people that are against this change have already left, and check back once in a while hoping its been changed,

Iceband.3714:

75% of people that vote in no way shape or form represents the number of players that do or do not like this change. most of the people that are against this change have already left, and check back once in a while hoping its been changed,

So you’re claiming proxy for anyone who’s doing anything else?
Convenient

Maybe petition for an empty, unpaired tier at the bottom instead?

LetoII.3782:

Iceband.3714:

75% of people that vote in no way shape or form represents the number of players that do or do not like this change. most of the people that are against this change have already left, and check back once in a while hoping its been changed,

So you’re claiming proxy for anyone who’s doing anything else?
Convenient

Maybe petition for an empty, unpaired tier at the bottom instead?

not really convenient, but your idea isnt bad….Tyler?

I was in a dead tier for a year. Why would you want to go back to that. I’d understand adding another tier to lessen the queues & make a more roaming friendly tier, but going back to the way it was isn’t an option imo.

Knob.6835:

I was in a dead tier for a year. Why would you want to go back to that. I’d understand adding another tier to lessen the queues & make a more roaming friendly tier, but going back to the way it was isn’t an option imo.

ok, but you had a choice, to move to higher tier server and play with the zerg kiddies?

I dont get a choice, the choice was made for me….

This is getting ridiculous. If you don’t like WvW don’t play it.

Personally I love the linking. I do wish that the linking would reset every week or month seeing as some matches are completely wonky. WvW has been more fun lately even though my server hasn’t been performing as well as we were before the linking.

ANET fix imbalance, fix imbalance, fix imbalance, fix imblance….

Another poster demanding that anet fix imbalance but not bothering to actually add anything constructive to the conversation

@OP How do u want it fixed????

Force people to transfer?

Geoblocking? so only “X” amount of people from OCX, SEA, EU and NA can be on 1 server??

Reduce map caps at certain times??

Dont let anyone transfer??

@OP list 5 ways Anet can fix pop imbalance that doesn’t send the WvW community into meltdown…..

Im going to say this and I’m going to get flamed and I dont care…..there is no way to fix population imbalance.

There I said it.

There are so many reasons why imbalance occurs (guilds transferring, geostacking because people want to play with their friends, people get bored and leave, new games come out, returning playings, people transfer to be be in top tiers, people transferring to get away from other guilds etc)

Some fine tuning will most likely be required (some linkings may need to be changed) but world linking is about as close as we are going to get to addressing imbalance.

FLAMES INC

KITTENS GIVEN……ZERO!!

Sakara Prime.5370:

FLAMES INC

I agree with everything you said, sorry to disappoint.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Just curious, what world do you play for? I’m looking at the current breakdown of votes by world right now, and nearly every world has voted in favor of World Linking. There are a few that are 50/50, and one that is against it.

I had trouble deciding where to put my vote. I don’t hate the linking, but I don’t really love the way it was done. Shoot, I’d take a full out merge just to know where I’ll be in a week or a month. I can’t speak for other linked servers, but I’m pretty sure DR players would integrate with Mag more if they thought this was their home now. SOME of us use their TS SOMETIMES. A few of us joined their website (and they ours). It’s just so weird though…would be nice to have us all in one place all of the time. Unfortunately, they are just our foster family though, so it’s tough to get too invested with the unknown looming around the corner.

Trouble is linking needs to adjust better to activity and population changes. Does me no good at all to be running 30v70v90 or even 10v50v50 all week again.

Things were great at first but our linked server (the larger of us) has seemed really dead the last couple weeks. That leaves a server that used to rank around 20 trying to fend off a couple tier 2 server pairs that love to tag team, ktrain and spawn camp.

Sus.3610:

I had trouble deciding where to put my vote. I don’t hate the linking, but I don’t really love the way it was done. Shoot, I’d take a full out merge just to know where I’ll be in a week or a month.

Then vote No, they will come back to the population issue later on (after the scoring changes are done) with other methods which may include a full merge.

Linking is in beta, they did the most logical order to start the links, which was T8/T1, T7/T2, etc. They’re asking if you want linking to be the method for population boost or, if it’s been voted to stay they will look at improving it. If you don’t like it and want them to try alternative methods later on, then vote no. It’s that simple.

Iceband.3714:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Just curious, what world do you play for? I’m looking at the current breakdown of votes by world right now, and nearly every world has voted in favor of World Linking. There are a few that are 50/50, and one that is against it.

Tyler I play on fergusons crossing. Most of the people I play(ed) with in wvw arent even bothering anymore. Yea, we were small, yea were were like rank 16, but we enjoyed our small roaming gangs and having to use some skill and thought, not just play follow the blob every night.

as of this posting, were losing….AGAIN, down by about 26k points or so. oh, did I mention, its monday?

Oh, sorry, I meant to say I play on Darkhaven+ you know since FC doesent exist anymore.

Sorry, your words don’t match the reality. T4 does not have a queue most of the time unlike the other tiers and here you are, complaining about blob feast. What? Do you even know what is a real blob feast like?

Iceband.3714:

Knob.6835:

I was in a dead tier for a year. Why would you want to go back to that. I’d understand adding another tier to lessen the queues & make a more roaming friendly tier, but going back to the way it was isn’t an option imo.

ok, but you had a choice, to move to higher tier server and play with the zerg kiddies?

I dont get a choice, the choice was made for me….

JQ is packed with zergs but you can still roam easily (2 maps queued in SEA time zone). However, when I go to the other two maps they are a ghost town.

I don’t see why you can’t find a map that is a ghost town and do your roaming/havoc there.

I am from a T8 server, and want to go back to T8. My reasoning is that I enjoy low population fights. I think it can also be a bit more strategic than “let’s blob over everyone and make it blob v blob”.

And I know a bunch of people who are hating the queues, hate that you can’t walk two feet without running into anyone else, and that we have no real identity. Also that we went from being lower on the totem pole to a T1 server without being asked.

And the problem then is that there are people who transferred FROM large blob servers to get away from all that, to be thrust right back into it.

I get that it helps the majority of players enjoy WvW, and that it probably helped a bunch of people get back into it, but at the same time I’m sure it’s pushed some people out of it as well.

Karnasis.6892:

I am from a T8 server, and want to go back to T8. My reasoning is that I enjoy low population fights. I think it can also be a bit more strategic than “let’s blob over everyone and make it blob v blob”.

If you want low population fights try PvP, because WvW isn’t designed for nothing but that which happens in T8 brackets.

Blobbing is strategic, just not how you’d like it. I don’t think blobbing is healthy for the mode, however this is entirely a different issue and it wont be solved by reversing the process.

I don’t recall but I think I voted for the show me the results option. I’m not ambivalent on the matter, it’s revitalized the feeling of the game and has brought some players back, but I personally don’t care for it. I feel like there could have been more options included in here rather than yes/no/results.

I don’t want to be on a high population server with queues. I don’t play often any more but it’s nice to log in and be able to play, rather than log in and look at the queues and then log off again. It’s probably been a few solid months since I’ve played WvW but the few times I’ve had the time to play I’ve had no inclination to sit in a queue and opted to log off and go play something else. I’m sad about this but my free time is sparse and waiting to have fun isn’t how I want to spend it. With unlinked worlds at least I know if I’m going to have queues to deal with. World linking means I have no control, and unless transferring becomes free and available to do more than once a week I just can’t agree with world linking being a solution. I’d just as soon stop playing altogether than fork out $$ and wait to transfer every time I want to play WvW.

I feel the server merge is a bad deal. The server with the lower population pretty much looses all since of identity. Our BLS are gone we are thrown onto another servers borderland to help defend theirs. We are just a floating community. This has caused a lot of people to stop playing I only see a handful of GOM on anymore mainly Blis, Art, and TM. This merge has pretty much killed our server so if or when we separate we will fall. The only way to do anything is stay on tag if you leave tag to try to roam you are ran over its pretty much blob vs blob no strategy at all. I miss the middle tier where yes there was fighting but you also had to plan out how to take stuff. The population still isn’t balanced as well Mag and FA are so big they just constantly steamroll us even when we give it our all they have to many numbers. All the server merge has done was push away and run off some of our dwindling numbers. If people want to be on a higher tier and have better blob fights give everyone an option a time time choice of changing servers then once they choose. Then temporarily lock down all the servers and allow the new players to fill up the medium tier and bottom tier then lift the lock.

I personally do not like it. I’m on ET and we are paired with BG. So 2 extremes. One server doesn’t do much wvw and the other at the very top. Reason I’m not liking it is cause I like going out and adventuring on my own. I can’t really do that now without running into huge zergs everywhere (friendly and foe). If I wanted to do the zerg rush I’d of gone on a higher tier server. But I wanted to do more roaming. Hence lower tier.

I probably would have liked the linking IF the server I play on would have been linked so that it would have nearly the same world population than the other linked servers have that are blobbing over the server.

Right know its only a numbers game and we can not counterbalance a discrepancy of 100-200 (maybe even more) active players with player skill.

Its not fun, when your server is already at the lowest position (18), to know that you still don’t have a chance because you do not have enough players and that this will be going on for the next 2 months of the beta at least.

A-net has (in this case) poorly executed the “linking beta” and thats why I do not like it.

I am on TC. My initial complaint was that ques were horrible for WVW after the change. A couple of times the que on EB hit 100. About a week later ques had reduced significantly. This week there are essentially no cues. But that isn’t a good thing.

The players who are playing on our server now are different. I haven’t seen any of the regular commanders in over a week. The realm went from very organized to disorganized. Disorganized as in uncoordinated, no supply management, and little defensive siege and repairs. Most players don’t even join a commander’s squad. Before the change we were successful at wvw. When we were organized we were successful. Now that we are unorganized we aren’t. It doesn’t help that we are facing the big blobs of Blackgate.

I don’t know why the people stopped playing wvw. I do know that there are a lot of new people playing wvw, and I am not sure if the new players appreciate what they missed before the change.

I got a letter about the poll while I was playing WvW. If ANET is targeting players in WVW now, I think that will skew the pool in favor of the “Yes” vote, because the people who don’t like the change tend not to be playing WvW.

This week WvW has not been fun at all. Very frustrating. I keep going back hoping to see the organized players return. I suspect we may have lost some WvW guilds. I hope not.

Instead of server linking why dont they get rid of the low pop servers and just increase the population of the top 3 and give everyone a 1 time free transfer

I’d vote yes 100000000000000000000 times if I could. And then I’d vote yes 500000 more times.

I think world linking helped rejuvenate wvw.

Totally No.

WvW has been improved lately indeed, the good old borderlands came back, etc. but world linking is a bad idea.

My world had great matchups before, but since world linking the WvW is ruined for us, we got beaten day and night, we always have to fight with the outnumbered buff. I dont remember the last time i’ve captured Stonemist Castle.

SAY NO for the world linking for the sake of FAIR PLAY

And why just 75% is the acceptible poll? Why not 85%-90% for the example??
What about the rest of 25% those are running spawn death rows? They are the expendable minority?

Outrageous! This is just an evidence that there are no system that is suits everybody! Balance people, balance!

I voted NO, i’m on YB, the way I see it, stacked servers just got stacked even more.
WvW probably improved due to re-introducing the old BL’s.
It’s not just YB that has the problem, i’m sure there are other servers, who come in WvW day in day out to just to see [outmanned] 24/7 on some maps and seeing daily blobs of up to 50 mindless press 1,1,1,1, heal, 1,1,1,1 and sometimes x2 50 man blobs on the same map.
As said in previous posts above this just makes players leave WvW, as why bother to put 6-8 hours helping keep things running when knowing other servers have probably twice the WvW population.

Arenanet needs to come up with some other way to balance the servers.

I voted no, because I think it’s unfair to give one server two times population size for coverage. Desolation & Vabbi are destroying tier I matchups with hundred rating point difference to #2 server.

Zenith.6403:

I voted no, because I think it’s unfair to give one server two times population size for coverage. Desolation & Vabbi are destroying tier I matchups with hundred rating point difference to #2 server.

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem? I know it suck going from plowing over your enemies to getting plowed over by the superior deso forces.

Robin Da Poor.6281:

I voted NO, i’m on YB, the way I see it, stacked servers just got stacked even more.
WvW probably improved due to re-introducing the old BL’s.
It’s not just YB that has the problem, i’m sure there are other servers, who come in WvW day in day out to just to see [outmanned] 24/7 on some maps and seeing daily blobs of up to 50 mindless press 1,1,1,1, heal, 1,1,1,1 and sometimes x2 50 man blobs on the same map.
As said in previous posts above this just makes players leave WvW, as why bother to put 6-8 hours helping keep things running when knowing other servers have probably twice the WvW population.

Arenanet needs to come up with some other way to balance the servers.

Alpine killed wvw, dbl was more solo play friendly and was better for all the special snowflakes who have a problem with the linking.

BlackPot.4521:

Totally No.

WvW has been improved lately indeed, the good old borderlands came back, etc. but world linking is a bad idea.

My world had great matchups before, but since world linking the WvW is ruined for us, we got beaten day and night, we always have to fight with the outnumbered buff. I dont remember the last time i’ve captured Stonemist Castle.

SAY NO for the world linking for the sake of FAIR PLAY

People were outnumbered before the linking aswell, matchups are generally more balanced now then before, sorry for your loss but theres always been someone with the outnumbered buff and it happend to be you.

TallBarr.2184:

Zenith.6403:

I voted no, because I think it’s unfair to give one server two times population size for coverage. Desolation & Vabbi are destroying tier I matchups with hundred rating point difference to #2 server.

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem? I know it suck going from plowing over your enemies to getting plowed over by the superior deso forces.

Deso was outnumbered but never needed the linking.

Desolation has gained back most of their lost wvw players that decided to come back because of the alpins and stab change.

Linking had nothing to do with it.

In most matchups that Gunnars Hold is in the enemies still outnumber is 3 to 1, I though this world linking stuff was supposed to balance things more? But all it has done is narrow the population deviation. So if you’re still on the lower side of the deviation you’re out of luck as a server unable to move to higher tiers.

So this is the reason why I voted no. Perhaps scoring changes will make things more fair..

TallBarr.2184:

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem?

The problem is they get x2 times population cap.

If populations are like:
Piken 100 (max)
SFR 100 (max)
Deso 70
Vabbi 10

then combining Deso and Vabbi creates a situation where people stack the lower pop server and we get Deso+Vabbi 70+70=140, which dominates everything. If lack of population is problem why not just merge the servers under same cap?

I’m not sure what kind of game folks are aiming for, but I’m sure as hell not into playing with myself. I prefer for more people in the map so everyone can come onto the tag at once.

I like ZERGING, it’s like dubyadubyatwo up in here

Zenith.6403:

TallBarr.2184:

Deso was outnumbered and dead before this linking, Piken and SFR was stacked beyond belief. Whats the problem?

The problem is they get x2 times population cap.

If populations are like:
Piken 100 (max)
SFR 100 (max)
Deso 70
Vabbi 10

then combining Deso and Vabbi creates a situation where people stack the lower pop server and we get Deso+Vabbi 70+70=140, which dominates everything. If lack of population is problem why not just merge the servers under same cap?

The damage is already done, they shouldve locked the servers when they linked but you cant revert that now. People will always bandwagoon

World linking is probably fine but you should look at solutions about cheap (500 gems Vabbi) stacking of a T1 server. Maybe you should think about changing the link more often (for example 3 weeks instead of 3 month).

Aezyr.5304:

World linking is probably fine but you should look at solutions about cheap (500 gems Vabbi) stacking of a T1 server. Maybe you should think about changing the link more often (for example 3 weeks instead of 3 month).

If the bandwagoners from sfr and other servers didnt move to vabbi and it was locked sfr and piken wouldve been roflstomping, The amount of vabbis and their skillevel isnt significant, the bandwagoners comign to vabbi are. If they wouldnt be on vabbi they would be on already full piken or sfr. Deso got nightcapping and we will see what skirmishes bring tot hat matter, the fights in t1 are still fairly equal.