Guild Wars 2

Right now, Looking into WvW on NA Servers, Its a complete mess. Everywhere you go, you will find a 60+ Man Blob. ArenaNet calls WvW a so called 24/7 Battle, but they sorta screwed it up, with having EU Server and NA Servers, even having a complete new client for China now. What I think makes it completely a mess is. Why does the Population of a server for WvW, include PvE Community, those players that are doing World Events all day long. Possible Solution for ArenaNet right now.
1. Create 15 WvWvW Servers and 3 PvE Servers.
2. Merge NA and EU together.
3. Allow Free Server transfers for 2 Weeks.
On joining a WvW Server, you should be forced to have certain requirements. You shouldn’t be able to join them on a easy click. At this rate, WvW die and this game will only life from PvE.

Bad bad bad ideas. Several servers already have 50 man queues on non tournament days. Your suggestion ridiculously increases that. It will also cause problems with EU or NA having bad ping time.

WvW is not a mess. Large battles are a lot more intricate then you seem to think.

Large battles are all about, who has the most signets on and press skills before skill lag. 15 servers just example. Can do 30. Just something to solve this stacking etc etc

I do not see how that “solution” is going to work. NA and EU cannot play together unless you want to completely mess up network lag for everyone.

No, there is only one real solution to the 24/7 battle scenario and that is to shift points more towards the PvP and less to the PvD. Passivly generating the same points from a keep that no one is near for 4 hours compared to a keep where all 3 servers have 50+ peeps fighting a pitched battle for 1 hour is not viable.

Dawdler.8521:

I do not see how that “solution” is going to work. NA and EU cannot play together unless you want to completely mess up network lag for everyone.

No, there is only one real solution to the 24/7 battle scenario and that is to shift points more towards the PvP and less to the PvD. Passivly generating the same points from a keep that no one is near for 4 hours compared to a keep where all 3 servers have 50+ peeps fighting a pitched battle for 1 hour is not viable.

Actually, there is a LOT of NA players playing in EU (specially on French and Spanish servers) without lag problem, and the same the other way around (lots of EU players on NA servers), and it works.

And it wouldn’t really be a problem to have local “connexion” servers that are synced on both side for it, other games do it.

Mergin EU/NA servers is probably the best solution. It should have been like that since the start to have everyone on the same servers for WvW, allowing an healthy 24/7 battle.

Don’t fool youself Filo. At least in Baruch, 95% of players are from Spain.

About OP, merging lowest servers is a good solution, but with NA separated from EU. And merge just some servers, not most. EU going from 27 to 15 would be a completely mess. I think there’s more people for just 15 servers, while in S3 reset all servers from gold league had queues in all maps.

I play when you sleep, you play when I sleep. We won’t be queuing at the same time.

Ansau.7326:

Don’t fool youself Filo. At least in Baruch, 95% of players are from Spain.

About OP, merging lowest servers is a good solution, but with NA separated from EU. And merge just some servers, not most. EU going from 27 to 15 would be a completely mess. I think there’s more people for just 15 servers, while in S3 reset all servers from gold league had queues in all maps.

I never pretended BB was majorly South America players, just that there is a lot of NA players in EU, and they are more often than not on French/Spanish servers. Nothing else.

But I wasn’t discussing if a majority, just a lot. No, there aren’t a lot of NA players, at least in the only EU spanish server. I don’t thing 20-30 people is a lot when we already have a french guild in our server.

Something has to change. Season 3 EU is already a forgone conclusion due to the NA players on EU servers situation. It doesn’t matter if you pull out all the resources you have for 20 hours per day in this game, your server eventually hits a dead spot where the majority of the population have to sleep.

When another server can field 150+ players at 3 in the morning, and turn 5000 point deficit into a 5000 point lead in those dead hours and the time you are rebuilding your wooden kingdom it truly does feel as if these tournaments are a waste of time and effort.

Typical tick for EU vs NA supported EU server, effort required to hold that first night was ridiculous, 2nd night people had to sleep, and ANet say it’s acceptable, well enjoy losing the playerbase ANet, that’s all I can say.

Tijgertje.7461:

Everywhere you go, you will find a 60+ Man Blob.

if the server blob.. it is because they can afford it..
2×30 > 1×60
organization..

MoonT.6845:

Something has to change. Season 3 EU is already a forgone conclusion due to the NA players on EU servers situation. It doesn’t matter if you pull out all the resources you have for 20 hours per day in this game, your server eventually hits a dead spot where the majority of the population have to sleep.

When another server can field 150+ players at 3 in the morning, and turn 5000 point deficit into a 5000 point lead in those dead hours and the time you are rebuilding your wooden kingdom it truly does feel as if these tournaments are a waste of time and effort.

Typical tick for EU vs NA supported EU server, effort required to hold that first night was ridiculous, 2nd night people had to sleep, and ANet say it’s acceptable, well enjoy losing the playerbase ANet, that’s all I can say.

Another desocrier here?? SFR is everything but NA. Please, stop this NA QQ. there aren’t that much amount of NA players in EU to flip PPT like this. Face it, a lot of people in EU play at night, and this is the end of the story.

Stats don’t lie Ansau

Ansau.7326:

while in S3 reset all servers from gold league had queues in all maps.

Having queue on 1/3 of the server 4 times for 4 hours in half a year is not really a reason to keep that many servers.

A merge of 1 NA with 1 EU server would not really generate more queue as EU night is NA-prime and EU prime is NA day and OCX prime is EU-day. In fact this is the only setting where the current 24/7 matches would make sense, I.e. The currently misplaced anti covering nerf argument: your night is another players day, would really work.

But against the merge are the language specific servers. How many NAs would like to play on a German or French speaking server.

Maybe making 11 English + 1 Spanish EU/NA server that play 24/7 and 3 German and 3 French server that only play 16/8 or 12/8 could be a solution. Germans and French that prefer 24/7 over their language then of course can play 24/7 on an English server.

If this should really be over populated (which I do not believe) an EB map as an alternative overflow map to the EotM map could help.

If only ANet would like and be able to do it

Tijgertje.7461:

Large battles are all about, who has the most signets on and press skills before skill lag. 15 servers just example. Can do 30. Just something to solve this stacking etc etc

What? That is certainly not true for everyone or even most. Now if you are playing from a MacBook pro or something, then your point is fair about lag.

Only fix for this problem (and it even would be simple) would be friendly fire outside from own group. Noone would run in a zerg with all this “Lootstick” Spammors anymore. Biggest Blob on map is 5 man partys^^

MoonT.6845:

Stats don’t lie Ansau

Stats? Stats just show at which time a server has more coverage than others, no where they come from… better i’ll show tonight a photo of BB TS during midnight. Be lucky if you see more than 4/5 non Spanish flags…

And Dayra, loool 11 english servers plus BB, do you want yus to have queues 24h? BB has only 3 weak periods of time: 4am-9am, 2pm-5pm, 8pm-10pm. The rest of the time I would say we have one of the biggest coverage of whole EU.

I’m fascinated how people forget this world has 24 different hours, and a lot of countries have more than 1 timezone (yes, Spain is one of those). And just cause you go to sleep at 11pm doesn’t mean the whole world does the same as you.

Ansau.7326:

And Dayra, do you know there are a lot of people in EU that also play at night? And NA players that play during EU morning?

What’s many? And wouldn’t it be cool to be no longer that alone if you play in the night?
Or do you fear that you aren’t good enough to do anything else than PvD? Don’t worry you will learn it soon as you have opponents.

Funny you said that. BB has done a rally to reach gold league, as silver would be extremely boring for us. The thing is we want opponents… because yes, pvd at nights is boring, but is also needed to find some skill to fight against.

Btw, 40 people at 2am in a single server is enough to be many??

Ansau.7326:

Btw, 40 people at 2am in a single server is enough to be many??

No that’s only 10% of what fits into WvW at any time. 90% space left to be filled up by NA should NA/EU server be merged.

Luckily for the world, people dimension things based on maximum capacity, not minimum, as you want.
Anway, here you have, the photo. Taken at 2.54am. The channel had 44 people plus me. There were also like 10 more people in other channels, which 4 or 5 were from NA.

Unless your side is winning the 24/7 is more tedious than fun. I know we had a great Sat night Aussie time and closed within 1000 only to get up to a 16000 loss the next day. It is not a pleasant gaming environment.

Also by the end of the weekend a lot of sides have given up.

I am not sure what an alternative is. Much like last year, this season is not turning out to be much fun. Big map blobs everywhere. Dirty tricks on all sides. People paying for coverage. Coverage being lopsided. Massive queues. It’s a mess. Not what I had hoped for.

The only issue I have is with queues, it’s not fun waiting for and hour and a half to get into any borderland.

Other than that it’s exactly as expected, those expected to win the season have recruited more and also bandwagoners who’ve previously been stomped have moved to gain rewards because they’re still tied to overall server performance (I’ve never seen so many bronze dolyak finishers coming from a T1 winning server before).

The game mode is all about coverage, might as well try and find something you enjoy inside the map i.e. sub 25 man guild battles. They’ve have always been fun imo, it’s a little harder to find that scale of fight since the tournament started admittedly, but it’s something we continue to seek out.

You cannot have any 3 schedules that would be fair for all players.

What you could do is introducing AI players.

Much like heroes in GW1, if you team is greatly outnumbered, you could use coin and badges to hire mercenary NPCs that will follow your orders.
They would use player slots, So when more players come and there’s no more slos, they would replace those mercenaries.

Then 10 guys that are the only ones able to log in at a certain time become a zerg of 50 able to compete with the enemy zerg of another 50.

Make scoring every few hours instead of every 13 mins. This will definitely solve that coverage problem a bit.

I prefer the splitting up each day into 3 segments, have 3 8 hour battles each day.

This way you can see exactly which timeslots servers have nighcappings in, What is the point of being great during primetime for your server, when when you all go to bed the other server’s night team dominate with little to no resistance.

A server which has better skills during the first two 8 hour shifts, may end up losing everything in the 3rd shift. In the current system this may be enough to allow the less skilled server which nightcaps to beat the serer which actually is better skilled.

Again, dont expect any changes until 2020.

Ansau.7326:

But I wasn’t discussing if a majority, just a lot. No, there aren’t a lot of NA players, at least in the only EU spanish server. I don’t thing 20-30 people is a lot when we already have a french guild in our server.

Seeing i ran multiple times in EotM with 40+ BB groups nearly all from SA during the night a few weeks ago, telling me they were just there screwing around/farming/leveling alts/having fun waiting for summer to be over and get serious again, you’re 20/30 SA players in BB is WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY OFFF.

There is at least 100+ SA players on BB (active ones).

Just FR and AS total as much French Canadians on theirs, and i don’t want to see the numbers on JS/Vizunah….

And the other way around it’s hundreds of EU players on NA servers too.

Filovirus.6258:

Ansau.7326:

But I wasn’t discussing if a majority, just a lot. No, there aren’t a lot of NA players, at least in the only EU spanish server. I don’t thing 20-30 people is a lot when we already have a french guild in our server.

Seeing i ran multiple times in EotM with 40+ BB groups nearly all from SA during the night a few weeks ago, telling me they were just there screwing around/farming/leveling alts/having fun waiting for summer to be over and get serious again, you’re 20/30 SA players in BB is WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY OFFF.

There is at least 100+ SA players on BB (active ones).

Just FR and AS total as much French Canadians on theirs, and i don’t want to see the numbers on JS/Vizunah….

And the other way around it’s hundreds of EU players on NA servers too.

Yeah, and cows fly… How you know people where people come from? Or is just your brain cannot accept people in Spain also play and lives during nights?

Ansau.7326:

Filovirus.6258:

Ansau.7326:

But I wasn’t discussing if a majority, just a lot. No, there aren’t a lot of NA players, at least in the only EU spanish server. I don’t thing 20-30 people is a lot when we already have a french guild in our server.

Seeing i ran multiple times in EotM with 40+ BB groups nearly all from SA during the night a few weeks ago, telling me they were just there screwing around/farming/leveling alts/having fun waiting for summer to be over and get serious again, you’re 20/30 SA players in BB is WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY OFFF.

There is at least 100+ SA players on BB (active ones).

Just FR and AS total as much French Canadians on theirs, and i don’t want to see the numbers on JS/Vizunah….

And the other way around it’s hundreds of EU players on NA servers too.

Yeah, and cows fly… How you know people where people come from? Or is just your brain cannot accept people in Spain also play and lives during nights?

Maybe because i ran with them for a week or so (since i was always pitted with them for some reason) and THEY told me they were from SA and their numbers ?

And there is a big difference between the numbers of ACTIVE players online at one time, and the numbers of players you know (luckily it would be a problem otherwise).

There is people playing late from all countries in Europe (more so than in NA actually), but there IS quite some NA players in EU too (like there is SEA/Ocx players there too).

And it’s not a few here and there neither. It’s quite some, with dedicated NA/SA LARGE Guilds on EU servers (and the other way around, dedicated LARGE EU Guilds on NA servers).

Pretending otherwise is either denial or hypocrisy…..

Oooohhh you said EoTM… Didn’t saw that, I though you were talking about WvW maps!!!

EoTM is just a pve farming map with the configuration of pvp, it doesn’t have anything related to WvW population. Of course if we talk about whole server there are a lot more SA, but because Baruch is mainly a pve server, so our pve population is way more bigger than WvW, and SA pve players are way more than WvW SA players.

Why you bring pve population in WvW? Who cares if there’s a lot of SA players in Baruch if they don’t touch WvW? 95% of people who plays regularly WvW in Baruch is from Spain. That photo is not about that specific moment, is what you normally see everyday.

WvW SA players in Baruch that play there regularly, in dedicated guilds, doing roaming and being useful, are about 15 or even less, they’re spread over multiple guilds and they dont play at the same time.
So, the actual impact of SA players in Baruch IN WVW MAPS is nearly inexistent, and while they play, a lot more spanish people do it.

Ansau : no i said it’s where i met them.
They were WvW players mainly taking a break/farming/leveling toons while BB was on “hiatus” the past few months (when pretty much all your guilds did the same after S2 and you dropped to rank 12+).

And it was before they pretty much all came back to drag you back in gold.

On top of that, once again, the whole argument resolve around your stupid “truth” statement that you can’t merge NA/EU because of lage… to wich i told you a LOT of NA/EU players play on the other side, to wich you said it wasn’t true.

IT IS TRUE. PERIOD.

You can spin it however you want there is LOTS of NA/EU players playing on the other side, specially in the first 3/4 Tiers of WvW and they don’t really have lag problem, so it’s indeed possible.

That you change line and “argument” everytime you get caught lying through your teeths don’t change anything to it.

Funny you say that. I’m the one who plays in BB since game release. I’m the one who knows who plays BB in any time. I’m the guy you knows when a SA is talking in TS and when does it a spanish.
You’re just a guy that ONE DAY met ONE GUILD in EOTM and assumes that everyday in BB 40 SA players are destoying WvW map during EU nights.

Seriously, stop generalizing things.

PD: And if you really want to make any point, say which guild, or the tag it was, so I can thing about if is a dedicated WvW guild, if its from the server, or if its a pve guild that play randomly WvW or a guild that just moved to try Baruch.

PD2: Btw, find where I say NA/EU cannot be merged due to lag issues…

Ansau : once again, you are deforming what i said, and pretending i said something i didn’t.

I NEVER said BB had throngs of SA players ACTIVE AT THE SAME TIME AT NIGHT EVERY NIGHT, YOU pretend i said that.

What i said, and i stand by it, it’s that there is LOTS of NA and SA players on NA/EU servers, that play there without problems nor lag, and that would still work with merging NA/EU servers, and that there is quite some SA players on BB.

I don’t care if it’s 10 people active at a given time in WvW, 2000, or if it’s people in PvE/PvP/Dungeons/EotM or whatever else….IT IS PEOPLE PLAYING IN EU FROM NA/SA WITHOUT PROBLEM.

And that’s the only point worth making.