Guild Wars 2

The new WvW Provisioner sells consumables for badges. I thought this is brilliant; no more feeding them PvE farmers by buying stuff at Trading Post. Unfortunately the consumables at WvW Provisioner are only level 70.

Why not level 80 that WvW players would actually use?

To make crafting not completly obsolete?

Crafters can sell their products to PvEers who can better afford their prices anyway for all I care.

Korgov.7645:

The new WvW Provisioner sells consumables for badges. I thought this is brilliant; no more feeding them PvE farmers by buying stuff at Trading Post. Unfortunately the consumables at WvW Provisioner are only level 70.

Why not level 80 that WvW players would actually use?

You’ve hit the nail on the head with your first point. They still want you to be the market for the food items that PvE players are producing. These aren’t supposed to completely shove them out of the market, it’s just intended to be something you can grab in a pinch.

Korgov.7645:

Crafters can sell their products to PvEers who can better afford their prices anyway for all I care.

You make it sound like crafting food was highly profitable. It is not.

+/-18% condition duration is still good. This is still good as it lowers the massive demand for food that made the food economy ridiculous.

Malediktus.9250:

Korgov.7645:

Crafters can sell their products to PvEers who can better afford their prices anyway for all I care.

You make it sound like crafting food was highly profitable. It is not.

+1 They already made it so a lot of the good food was account bound.

Crafting would be made completely redundant, 5 badges is spare change for a 30min buff. This brings the food disparity much closer together, those who don’t spend any gold get a good buff and those who want the even better buff can fund the cooks.

I’m honestly surprised with how generous this already is.

This is a wonderful and very unexpected WvW addition! And I can pop the vendor and buy them on the fly – anytime and anywhere! How cool is that?!? HOT kitten !

how do you unlock it?

Maybe the crafting in this game should finally get tossed out or revamped. Due to other systems, a lot of the crafts aren’t worth crap apart from a few items (some foods and Ascended time gated mats) and only serve as gold sinks with mostly account bound carrots dangling at the end. I can’t think of any leveled crafting system in any MMO that I’ve played that’s as unrewarding and closed off. Let PvErs and their bountiful resource nodes craft food and let other PvErs spend their gold buying from them. Put level 80 account bound foods on a WvWvW vendor.

Bensozia.8071:

how do you unlock it?

Just put 10 WvW Rank points in the Provisions Masters WvW mastery and then buy the Permanent Portable Provisioner (vendor token that sits in your inventory) from any outfitter merchant, and BAMM!!!! You’re good to go!

Sweetness!

Krypto.2069:

Bensozia.8071:

how do you unlock it?

Just put 10 WvW Rank points in the Provisions Masters WvW mastery and then buy the Permanent Portable Provisioner (vendor token that sits in your inventory) from any outfitter merchant, and BAMM!!!! You’re good to go!

Sweetness!

Cool thanks!

gennyt.3428:

Maybe the crafting in this game should finally get tossed out or revamped. Due to other systems, a lot of the crafts aren’t worth crap apart from a few items (some foods and Ascended time gated mats) and only serve as gold sinks with mostly account bound carrots dangling at the end. I can’t think of any leveled crafting system in any MMO that I’ve played that’s as unrewarding and closed off. Let PvErs and their bountiful resource nodes craft food and let other PvErs spend their gold buying from them. Put level 80 account bound foods on a WvWvW vendor.

What’s your complaint here, that crafting is a poor system or that crafting provides items for both PvEers or WvWers?

Having that crossed system is good for the game. It adds broader value to both rewards from PvE and WvW.

I’m fine with it, anet did a good job here.

RodOfDeath.5247:

I’m fine with it, anet did a good job here.

It’s a great addition, one I’ve always wanted. But a change to level 80 foods would be perfect.

Sarrs.4831:

gennyt.3428:

Maybe the crafting in this game should finally get tossed out or revamped. Due to other systems, a lot of the crafts aren’t worth crap apart from a few items (some foods and Ascended time gated mats) and only serve as gold sinks with mostly account bound carrots dangling at the end. I can’t think of any leveled crafting system in any MMO that I’ve played that’s as unrewarding and closed off. Let PvErs and their bountiful resource nodes craft food and let other PvErs spend their gold buying from them. Put level 80 account bound foods on a WvWvW vendor.

What’s your complaint here, that crafting is a poor system or that crafting provides items for both PvEers or WvWers?

Having that crossed system is good for the game. It adds broader value to both rewards from PvE and WvW.

My issue is that, crafting being largely useless aside, WvWvW players get the short end of the stick by playing one of the most high maintenance and poorly rewarded parts of the game and needing these items. Meanwhile PvErs have more access to the resources to make and buy said items.

As much as the developer likes to link WvWvW and PvE, item acquisition (not just crafting) leans pretty heavily towards PvE and that needs to change.

This is already pretty good. By letting people get 2nd tier food for cheap, the price for the top tier food will probably drop too since a lot of people will deem 2nd tier as ‘good enough’.

Overall with the added reward track(s) and this provisioner thing, it’s a good direction in terms of rebalancing the costs of the WvW.

I think it’s fine that the BiS food / oil is still only for purchase with gold, for those who want to seriously min max rather than having an entirely same playing field like spvp.

gennyt.3428:

Sarrs.4831:

gennyt.3428:

Maybe the crafting in this game should finally get tossed out or revamped. Due to other systems, a lot of the crafts aren’t worth crap apart from a few items (some foods and Ascended time gated mats) and only serve as gold sinks with mostly account bound carrots dangling at the end. I can’t think of any leveled crafting system in any MMO that I’ve played that’s as unrewarding and closed off. Let PvErs and their bountiful resource nodes craft food and let other PvErs spend their gold buying from them. Put level 80 account bound foods on a WvWvW vendor.

What’s your complaint here, that crafting is a poor system or that crafting provides items for both PvEers or WvWers?

Having that crossed system is good for the game. It adds broader value to both rewards from PvE and WvW.

My issue is that, crafting being largely useless aside, WvWvW players get the short end of the stick by playing one of the most high maintenance and poorly rewarded parts of the game and needing these items. Meanwhile PvErs have more access to the resources to make and buy said items.

As much as the developer likes to link WvWvW and PvE, item acquisition (not just crafting) leans pretty heavily towards PvE and that needs to change.

food isn’t needed to wvw though. same as ascended armor. those that think it is needed are the ones spending all the gold to buy it.

I usually check players food and if its condi I ignore those players so food puts some builds at a disadvantage :P

briggah.7910:

gennyt.3428:

Sarrs.4831:

gennyt.3428:

Maybe the crafting in this game should finally get tossed out or revamped. Due to other systems, a lot of the crafts aren’t worth crap apart from a few items (some foods and Ascended time gated mats) and only serve as gold sinks with mostly account bound carrots dangling at the end. I can’t think of any leveled crafting system in any MMO that I’ve played that’s as unrewarding and closed off. Let PvErs and their bountiful resource nodes craft food and let other PvErs spend their gold buying from them. Put level 80 account bound foods on a WvWvW vendor.

What’s your complaint here, that crafting is a poor system or that crafting provides items for both PvEers or WvWers?

Having that crossed system is good for the game. It adds broader value to both rewards from PvE and WvW.

My issue is that, crafting being largely useless aside, WvWvW players get the short end of the stick by playing one of the most high maintenance and poorly rewarded parts of the game and needing these items. Meanwhile PvErs have more access to the resources to make and buy said items.

As much as the developer likes to link WvWvW and PvE, item acquisition (not just crafting) leans pretty heavily towards PvE and that needs to change.

food isn’t needed to wvw though. same as ascended armor. those that think it is needed are the ones spending all the gold to buy it.

I usually check players food and if its condi I ignore those players so food puts some builds at a disadvantage :P

With that logic sigils aren’t needed either since it doesn’t stop you from playing WvWvW. Nevertheless, you’re at a disadvantage versus people who’ve made competent choices in sigils.

That’s fine if you have the opportunity to check every single player and decide whether or not to engage. This is not always the desire or even a possibility for everybody across the board so my point still stands.

The food you get from Provisioner is good enough. It does not need to be “best” to be useful. If you must always have best food, buy it old fashion way or craft it yourself.

Everything is gold based. Badges are gold. Food is gold. Badges also buy you things u can’t with gold…..so they are worth hanging onto in some quantity. Quite a few useful food types you can get for 2c a piece on the Tp. I don’t know how many badges each food in the vendor costs but I would imagine the number of badges don’t equate to 2copper. I don’t know cause I don’t have Hot. Obviously they added this to let people who did buy Hot that were feeling jilted that their faith and investment was appreciated and they are gonna be pampered and treated special…..without recieving anyhting of real value other than to experience the content that already had access to but barring others from doing so.

Everyone will be running the max food always if they make it 80. I believe food will lose significance, relatively. In that case ANET should reduce that complexity (no matter how small) and just remove food from wvwvw

Cerby.1069:

Everything is gold based. Badges are gold. Food is gold. Badges also buy you things u can’t with gold…..so they are worth hanging onto in some quantity. Quite a few useful food types you can get for 2c a piece on the Tp. I don’t know how many badges each food in the vendor costs but I would imagine the number of badges don’t equate to 2copper. I don’t know cause I don’t have Hot. Obviously they added this to let people who did buy Hot that were feeling jilted that their faith and investment was appreciated and they are gonna be pampered and treated special…..without recieving anyhting of real value other than to experience the content that already had access to but barring others from doing so.

Agreed. A Badge of Honor is worth “around” a silver at the moment (I think this will go down if BoH are coming out of a fire hose with hyped player influx, but maybe not if they’re blowing BoH fast as well). If you want to spend 5 silver (i.e., every consumable in this mini-shop is worth 5 BoH) on level 70 consumables, fill your boots.

I have this item and am likely to use it for “emergency” situations of running out of kit, or for alts who don’t have tidy rows of siege and food filling a bag worth of inventory.

I also completely get why it’s not a junk-buying merchant either, why sell for a gold something that has at least the junk-liquidating capability of an 800g permanent contract (i.e., something that comes out of BL Chests once in a blue moon)? Bottom would fall out of that permanent contract price I figure.

When anet introduced fractals they provided cheap ascended rings as one of the perks, effectively ruining the trade in an already difficult crafting profession. Laurels and Guild rewards did the same for amulets and accessories. How many people buy or make level 80 exotic jewellery to use now?

The condition damage food nurf when HoT came out hurt. Many got stuck with large amounts of food that halved in value virtually instantly.

Part of this game is crafting, if you don’t want to do it then someone else will do it for you, at a price. Making the food from the trader, who is available everywhere in WvW once you have bought the token, would simply damage the game mechanic and make cooking as worthless a crafting profession as jewller is.

Serious.6940:

When anet introduced fractals they provided cheap ascended rings as one of the perks, effectively ruining the trade in an already difficult crafting profession. Laurels and Guild rewards did the same for amulets and accessories. How many people buy or make level 80 exotic jewellery to use now?

The condition damage food nurf when HoT came out hurt. Many got stuck with large amounts of food that halved in value virtually instantly.

Part of this game is crafting, if you don’t want to do it then someone else will do it for you, at a price. Making the food from the trader, who is available everywhere in WvW once you have bought the token, would simply damage the game mechanic and make cooking as worthless a crafting profession as jewller is.

Adding The laurel vendor didn’t hurt jeweler’s. Making the best in slot great account bound did.

Crafting is nothing but a gold transfer from WvW players to PvE players.

I would appreciate crafting more if it had some function in WvW. Like providing boosts, weapons, siege, upgrades for your entire team in WvW. While having the team war efforts to unlock materials for the crafting.

Korgov.7645:

Crafting is nothing but a gold transfer from WvW players to PvE players.

I would appreciate crafting more if it had some function in WvW. Like providing boosts, weapons, siege, upgrades for your entire team in WvW. While having the team war efforts to unlock materials for the crafting.

Again crafting food for profit is not a thing. You waste your time if you craft food for profit and you should be thankful that some people are wasting their time to craft food for you.
The profit for crafting the typical food is usually around 2s each and you cannot craft many at the same time without crashing the price.

Example: https://www.gw2bltc.com/en/item/12481-Bowl-of-Lemongrass-Poultry-Soup
As you can see there is only 2k of these sold per day in total. A grand total of 40g profit per day spread across the whole playerbase lol

Great addition. TY Anet.

Malediktus.9250:

Korgov.7645:

Crafting is nothing but a gold transfer from WvW players to PvE players.

I would appreciate crafting more if it had some function in WvW. Like providing boosts, weapons, siege, upgrades for your entire team in WvW. While having the team war efforts to unlock materials for the crafting.

Again crafting food for profit is not a thing. You waste your time if you craft food for profit and you should be thankful that some people are wasting their time to craft food for you.
The profit for crafting the typical food is usually around 2s each and you cannot craft many at the same time without crashing the price.

Example: https://www.gw2bltc.com/en/item/12481-Bowl-of-Lemongrass-Poultry-Soup
As you can see there is only 2k of these sold per day in total. A grand total of 40g profit per day spread across the whole playerbase lol

So the crafters do not even have a valid argument against WvW players buying consumables with BoHs/PoHs. Thanks for clearing that up.

Malediktus.9250:

Korgov.7645:

Crafting is nothing but a gold transfer from WvW players to PvE players.

I would appreciate crafting more if it had some function in WvW. Like providing boosts, weapons, siege, upgrades for your entire team in WvW. While having the team war efforts to unlock materials for the crafting.

Again crafting food for profit is not a thing. You waste your time if you craft food for profit and you should be thankful that some people are wasting their time to craft food for you.
The profit for crafting the typical food is usually around 2s each and you cannot craft many at the same time without crashing the price.

Example: https://www.gw2bltc.com/en/item/12481-Bowl-of-Lemongrass-Poultry-Soup
As you can see there is only 2k of these sold per day in total. A grand total of 40g profit per day spread across the whole playerbase lol

Perfect argument for the case to make the vendor sell level 80 stuff.

No idea why they made it 70, let’s hope they get around to changing it before end of beta.

Maybe also add the hour versions of food…

Ok with the food bing level 70, makes sense, makes it a point to buy food on the TP etc.

I would however love to see 1 hour duration.

It’s largely just a convenience item in case you somehow ran out and summoning a TP is tedious. Level 80 food isn’t THAT much better than 70 and also much more expensive; I’d expect if and when they’ll add it, it’ll probably be pretty expensive. I’m still going to place buy orders to get the best food anyways and I have thousands of most food you could imagine in my bank, so I don’t mind this instant thing being a bit off a rip off— it’s only going to be for that particular use.

On the other hand, it’s not really that cheap: https://gw2efficiency.com/currencies/badges-of-honor

If you got Badges of Tribute with your badges and sold, them you’d get 1.1s on average per badge. So the level 70 food has to be 5.5s or more to be cheaper, which would only be a few of them like sage salad and butternut soup (don’t get the tarragon bread here obviously)

OTOH, I have no idea how this will impact prices, as well as the fact you need guild hall upgrades to get Badges of Tribute, and also I’d imagine these things won’t be in demand forever as more and more guilds finish it up. In any case, any method of monetizing badges seems unreliable at best and even potentially risky so I think we are fine for now. Maybe heroics can be involved for better food.

Korgov.7645:

The new WvW Provisioner sells consumables for badges. I thought this is brilliant; no more feeding them PvE farmers by buying stuff at Trading Post. Unfortunately the consumables at WvW Provisioner are only level 70.

Why not level 80 that WvW players would actually use?

Making them 80 would have been over the top. 70 is a nice balance since you still want to reward people that take the time to craft the items themselves but you can also allow a WvWer to get a pretty good item without ever crafting.

TheGrimm.5624:

Korgov.7645:

The new WvW Provisioner sells consumables for badges. I thought this is brilliant; no more feeding them PvE farmers by buying stuff at Trading Post. Unfortunately the consumables at WvW Provisioner are only level 70.

Why not level 80 that WvW players would actually use?

Making them 80 would have been over the top. 70 is a nice balance since you still want to reward people that take the time to craft the items themselves but you can also allow a WvWer to get a pretty good item without ever crafting.

I don’t see how level 80 food is over the top. WvW vendors sell superior siege and exotic gear of level 80, too. Even ascended trinkets.

I don’t craft. I don’t like it and I wouldn’t be getting the materials for it from WvW either.

To play WvW I would have to stop playing WvW and go farm PvE every now and then? No thanks.