This is to all the people kittening and whining about long queue times and those kitten ed achievement whorin’ PvEers taking up valuable spots for more pro, more deserving, more elite hardcore WvWers.
Please take a second to think for a minute about the opportunity that has been presented to the WvW gamemode and community here. Arenanet have provided us with an unprecedented influx of new players. This will rejuvinate WvW on lower tier servers like nothing before. It is now up to YOU, yes, YOU to mentor these players and ‘convert’ them into WvW players. Help them see the beauty of the finest part of the game. Teach them. ‘This is why we dont take supply from towers, these are fire fields and these are the skills you need to use to ’blast’ them.’ Dont berate them in mapchat for grinding camp guards doing JPs etc etc.
Suffer the lag for now. Suffer the huge queues for now. Once everything dies down in a week or two it will all be worth it. I guarantee every server will have a noticably larger WvW playerbase after this league. The key will be which servers that gain the most.
People should be drawn to WvW because its fun, because they want a fight, because they want to PvP. They shouldn’t be banding in waves to get achievements and rewards.
Mentor new players you say? Well, I would try if:
1) I actually managed to get in
2) If I found someone that wanted to be helped. So far most of the newcomers I’ve come across wanted our guild to go help them do the JP..
And they will leave once said achievements are done. Like I said earlier, they have had a year already to try it and like it. Adding achievements isn’t going to change this.
… and in less than an hour you’ll realize that days you’ve spend on forums complaining about WvW match ups stagnation for months finally resulted in an opportunity of the year. No, of your whole life! Eternal queue For… The… Win!
… OK, your second is up.
P.S. I should start collecting quotes from this forum. Some of them are pure gold.
Or we can be the same cynical and jaded community we’ve always been and go into wvw with a ‘us vs them’ mentality in regard to PvEers. I know, what was i thinking?
I personally think Anet made a brilliant move adding AP’s to the Season meta, even though all us wvw vets are beyond that crap, clearly.
What would your opinion be of me if i confessed i spend %70 of my time doing dungeons/living world/other PvE stuff and the other %30 doing WvW? That %30 being alot of hours, im no WvW scrub. Can i not be part of your club? Should i just stop playing WvW altogether if im not going to commit %100? What if i also admitted i spent ALOT of hours helping my server get its Tequatl kills? The very antithesis of WvW. I am not ashamed to say so. But i suppose us filthy PvEers should just get off your dang lawn huh.
What is the point of mentoring/training/giving any attention to these pve players?
They’ve had an entire year to try wvw if they were really interested. If they’re only coming into wvw now it means they’re there for achievements and nothing else. Once they get it done they will run off back to pve land and you’ll never see them again. Don’t waste your energy.
who can blame them ? look at how you treat them!! I love wvw and would avoid it if your whole server treated everyone like you post. Our carebears shed no tears, and become Beasts after we finish training them! We help them in the jumping puzzles, while we shoot down your pver’s mercilessly!
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And there are some people who did NOT have a year to try it out. I’ve only just come to the game recently and found the new achievements a good reason to have a look at WvW – but if that’s the kind of attitude (i.e. it seems like there are people who only do WvW and ignore the rest of the game AND hate the players who want to enjoy ALL of the game), then I’d rather stay away.
I thought WvW was one world against the other and not players from the same world hating each other. See, I am one of the players who is actually willing to learn but I don’t want someone to call me names or think I’m dumb.
I’m sorry but with the amount of skill lag and massive queues they’re creating, I don’t think any WvW play they get in will be representative. Anyone who finds that kind of play interesting enough to keep coming back for more isn’t really someone who I’d want to fight beside.
Totally agree with the OP on this – I’ll confess I’m a mainly PvE player but have dabbled every now and then in WvW tried a bit of everything I could. These new leagues have reinvigorated my interest in WvW and the achievements are a nice addition. Sure people might just do the chieves and get out, but on the other hand there will also be plenty that will stick with WvW.
I’ve always thought GW2 had one of the nicest communities in any game I’ve played until my experiences over the past couple of days with the ‘us vs them’ mentality – as an avid player of the game it doesn’t really bother me as I’m still happy to play, but I am genuinely concerned at how offputting it must be to new players.
C’mon peeps I think we all want the game to grow – let’s put a bit of trust in Anet and see how these changes play out.
Bleh if I’m honest I’m just angry that I have to queue for 3 hours just to get onto EB, where I can’t even enjoy myself because of the perpetual skill lag, and literally every single map is queued perpetually now because ‘e-z achievement points’ were introduced, I hope they go back to Orr very soon and stop violating my game mode
Bleh if I’m honest I’m just angry that I have to queue for 3 hours just to get onto EB, where I can’t even enjoy myself because of the perpetual skill lag, and literally every single map is queued perpetually now because ‘e-z achievement points’ were introduced, I hope they go back to Orr very soon and stop violating my game mode
Totally agree with the queuing times, something needs to change there for sure. And with the skill lag. However, personally I think the achievements are a nice addition and while there are undoubtedly some PvE players that don’t help the stereotype, I don’t think its fair to say they are ‘violating your game mode’ – after all they have as much right to be there as you do.
I think the OP’s point is to not be kittens to the PvEers. Yeah, a lot of them with “achieve” then GTFO, but we might end up with a few who always assumed PvP was horrible but find out they like it.
THOSE people might not be the majority, but we don’t wanna run them off by being kittens.
I think the OP’s point is to not be kittens to the PvEers. Yeah, a lot of them with “achieve” then GTFO, but we might end up with a few who always assumed PvP was horrible but find out they like it.
THOSE people might not be the majority, but we don’t wanna run them off by being kittens.
Why would being kittens scare them off? kittens are adorable and might make them want to stay!
Except that PvE’ers will come in, see how disgusting the lag is and be happy to stay away, in conjunction with people who love WvW but are not interested in putting up with the worst lag the game has seen to date.
No-one’s getting anywhere blaming players, ANet just desperately needs to start throwing serious resources at optimization.
This is to all the people kittening and whining about long queue times and those kitten ed achievement whorin’ PvEers taking up valuable spots for more pro, more deserving, more elite hardcore WvWers.
Please take a second to think for a minute about the opportunity that has been presented to the WvW gamemode and community here. Arenanet have provided us with an unprecedented influx of new players. This will rejuvinate WvW on lower tier servers like nothing before. It is now up to YOU, yes, YOU to mentor these players and ‘convert’ them into WvW players. Help them see the beauty of the finest part of the game. Teach them. ‘This is why we dont take supply from towers, these are fire fields and these are the skills you need to use to ’blast’ them.’ Dont berate them in mapchat for grinding camp guards doing JPs etc etc.
Suffer the lag for now. Suffer the huge queues for now. Once everything dies down in a week or two it will all be worth it. I guarantee every server will have a noticably larger WvW playerbase after this league. The key will be which servers that gain the most.
Raise them up, so they can transfer to a t1 server in the future…..
All Ive seen so far is entire maps being wrecked because one server or another has too many PvE players who are only there to get achievements and won’t join teamspeak or work as a team or do the simplest of tasks that WvW players do frequently. Sure, this might be an opportunity to engage some of these players, but chances are they will just do what PvErs do and go farm other content once its over and anet hangs another carrot on a string.
Use map chat more if you want to reach/harness the power of the achievement-hungry pve-ers. On my server the mapchat is basically just the ts info posted over and over and complaints about how not enough people are using it. If people don’t want to go in TS, they aren’t going to go in TS.
I imagine it doesn’t help that it seems like the majority of guilds on my server have a TS requirement, meaning you have to be in the guild TS if you are playing the game or they will kick you from the guild. Not sure what kind of exception they all make for WvW, not sure if this is the same on other servers.
People should be drawn to WvW because its fun, because they want a fight, because they want to PvP. They shouldn’t be banding in waves to get achievements and rewards.
Mentor new players you say? Well, I would try if:
1) I actually managed to get in
2) If I found someone that wanted to be helped. So far most of the newcomers I’ve come across wanted our guild to go help them do the JP..
I busted out laughing at #2… only because I am that guild member begging for the ports. I’ll help people do the puzzle! It will only take me all day to do it?
But really, I agree. The achievements are nice in a sense because they’re actually ones avid players can get for once. It could also get some people who have never tried WvW to enjoy it and start playing more. However, most of what I see right now is a lot of “lfg” or people camping out guilds – even small ones! – in the hopes of having the guilds carry them to the achievements and nothing more.
And now I’m off to queue in the hopes that maybe I’ll wind up with my guildies tonight for some kind of WvW fun. :p
I agree with OP. It’s true that we’ve seen a massive influx of people. Some of whom will never set foot in WvW after they get their AP and some whose interest will be piqued enough to potentially become dedicated WvWers. It’s fairly obvious to me that the way to encourage people to want to play with us is to….. be nice to them and not act like jerks.
Pve’rs are taking up ques from WvWers who actually know how to properly play the game mode. These PvE’rs are nothing but rally bait atm.
I have no problem giving a helping hand and teaching people the basics of WvW; but when you have PvE’rs taking up que times to complete a JP; then it’s out of my hands.
WvW has been in-game since launch. They’ve had plenty of time to “try it out”.
pve and pvp team work is different, but if you know how to lead, train and direct people, it’s instant power. That’s why not everyone is cut out to be a commander.
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Unfortunately the only thing pve players are experience right now I’d the worst of wvw, ling ques, skill lag, and large groups of inexperienced and unorganized play, this is not what wvw is most times and not the best way to retain people in the wvw format.
This is to all the people kittening and whining about long queue times and those kitten ed achievement whorin’ PvEers taking up valuable spots for more pro, more deserving, more elite hardcore WvWers.
Please take a second to think for a minute about the opportunity that has been presented to the WvW gamemode and community here. Arenanet have provided us with an unprecedented influx of new players. This will rejuvinate WvW on lower tier servers like nothing before. It is now up to YOU, yes, YOU to mentor these players and ‘convert’ them into WvW players. Help them see the beauty of the finest part of the game. Teach them. ‘This is why we dont take supply from towers, these are fire fields and these are the skills you need to use to ’blast’ them.’ Dont berate them in mapchat for grinding camp guards doing JPs etc etc.
Suffer the lag for now. Suffer the huge queues for now. Once everything dies down in a week or two it will all be worth it. I guarantee every server will have a noticably larger WvW playerbase after this league. The key will be which servers that gain the most.
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Many of the new players want to learn just like we did when we started. People are afraid to ask questions so we should volunteer basic info in chat more. Spell it out. Not just shout angry “Don’t take supply!!” say “Don’t take supply from an objective that is being upgraded.” Not shout “DO NOT PV DOOR THIS TIME!” say “Wait for the commander to tell us when to attack the gate so orange swords only show on the map when we are ready for the enemy to know we are here.” etc
This is to all the people kittening and whining about long queue times and those kitten ed achievement whorin’ PvEers taking up valuable spots for more pro, more deserving, more elite hardcore WvWers.
Please take a second to think for a minute about the opportunity that has been presented to the WvW gamemode and community here. Arenanet have provided us with an unprecedented influx of new players. This will rejuvinate WvW on lower tier servers like nothing before. It is now up to YOU, yes, YOU to mentor these players and ‘convert’ them into WvW players. Help them see the beauty of the finest part of the game. Teach them. ‘This is why we dont take supply from towers, these are fire fields and these are the skills you need to use to ’blast’ them.’ Dont berate them in mapchat for grinding camp guards doing JPs etc etc.
Suffer the lag for now. Suffer the huge queues for now. Once everything dies down in a week or two it will all be worth it. I guarantee every server will have a noticably larger WvW playerbase after this league. The key will be which servers that gain the most.
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Many of the new players want to learn just like we did when we started. People are afraid to ask questions so we should volunteer basic info in chat more. Spell it out. Not just shout angry “Don’t take supply!!” say “Don’t take supply from an objective that is being upgraded.” Not shout “DO NOT PV DOOR THIS TIME!” say “Wait for the commander to tell us when to attack the gate so orange swords only show on the map when we are ready for the enemy to know we are here.” etc
No the new players do not want to learn. They have had a year to get into WvW and give it a go. They are there for the easy achievements/rewards. The only thing different in WvW is the addition of the easy rewards/achievements.
They all didn’t just wake up and decide they like WvW.
Of course they want to learn. Don’t be so cynical. I started out in PvE as every character does. You create a new character in Guild Wars 2, it starts out in its storyline.
My main WvW character is story complete, map complete, 8500 achievement points, master crafter, and qualified for RP if she wanted to be. I learned WvW because I wanted to and others had patience to explain while I learned.
There was a time I didn’t know how to get registered in Mumble. Hell, there was a time I didn’t know what an upgrade was.
Another thing is that WvW is only available for a limited amount of people.
The WvW player only has WvW, if they have to que they got nothing to do.
The PvE achievement hunters however just que up in wvw for the sake of hoping they get in sometime, meanwhile however they can still play their PvE content and probably couldn’t care less if that que pops in 30mins or in 3 hours.
might be playing the wrong game if you are so opposed to lore. ANet put a lot of effort into the look and lore of this game. One of the reasons I like it so much.
And they will leave once said achievements are done. Like I said earlier, they have had a year already to try it and like it. Adding achievements isn’t going to change this.
Wrong. It is changing it. Perhaps on your server it does not but do not generalize because it is changing on mine.
You have to realize that it will not be all of them of course, but a certain percentage and focus on that.
What steps have you taken to be a part of that positive change ? Has your WvW guild leader contacted any of the PvE guild leaders and are you guys hanging out in your VOIP ? Are you giving pointers and training the new people ? Are you showing them how to have a blast in WvW ? Or are you just spewing crap at them in map chat ?
One good trick probably is tell PvE heros that you make portal bomb or escape portal (tell your guild mates not to take it) and run it inside huge zerg. Some might rage quit and log out.
Low quality trolling since launch
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You (the wvw adict player) are working in a computer repairshop as volunteer. After learning how to do this you become skilled and enjoy yourself with your also skilled co-workers. Then on a good day the boss decides to advertice in a well read paper and website.
All hell breaks loose: your flooded with customers (PvE players)wanting a repair/fix. What would you do then? complain endlessly about the fact you have so many customers that there is a queu outside the store? Or do the best you can and keep your eyes open for more volunteers? Does your boss really need to tell you to keep your eyes open? Don’t you think your boss is blind to the fact that there are queus outside ?
Just thinking random thoughts, have fun.
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Reality is people can join WvW whenever they desire; they can decide to become ‘hardcore’ or play on a more casual basis or just go in for the achievements – who are we to decide otherwise?
Way I see it is this is an mmorpg and it’s about time the naturally occuring reward chasing type players have a reason to come get killed by me, I believe in the fun of WvW and think lots will stay interested in it and it will grow, I just hope the achievements take awhile to complete which it seems they do, so that as soon as they’re done a new season is around the corner.
Loving the league so far, even tho we’re losing bad… agree with OP
Want to add another thing that now that the game has been out for a year and culling got fixed along the way I think it’s a good time to push people into giving it a better chance, as it can be very challenging in some styles of play(smaller group/roaming) and alot of people are now familiar with how to play their classes from all the pve and won’t get destroyed as much as they may have when they were new to the games mechanics.
Don’t be hating. GW2 has something for everyone. Let the PvE folks get a taste of WvW.
Or at least a quick death for their toon. I always love fresh meat…
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And they will leave once said achievements are done. Like I said earlier, they have had a year already to try it and like it. Adding achievements isn’t going to change this.
Wrong. It is changing it. Perhaps on your server it does not but do not generalize because it is changing on mine.
You have to realize that it will not be all of them of course, but a certain percentage and focus on that.
What steps have you taken to be a part of that positive change ? Has your WvW guild leader contacted any of the PvE guild leaders and are you guys hanging out in your VOIP ? Are you giving pointers and training the new people ? Are you showing them how to have a blast in WvW ? Or are you just spewing crap at them in map chat ?
How will it change? Do you think all the new people flooding into WvW are new players period? No, most are the same players that enjoyed doing pve for the last year and obviously didn’t want to do WvW.
The only change to WvW is the new achievements. How you cannot see the link between this is beyond me.
Some of you guys never do PvE and may not realize, you finish PvE. PvE ends at some point. ANet is trying to make it go farther with the living story thing, but for the most part, you play it out, you complete the map, you do all the achievements and puzzles and stuff, it ends. WvW is the next step.
Transition from PvE to WvW has always been actively encouraged by ANet, btw. If you have never completed a character’s story you may not know, one of the rewards is a siege blueprint.
I got two golem blueprints before I realized what a useless supply suck they really are.
Every morning I run short 15 minute WvW clinics. Seems to be helping. Seeing our pve’ers actually running to defend something when someone links the pois in map and help is called for.
Then watched a guy I taught in the morning, teaching someone else later in the afternoon. Was delighted.
All Ive seen so far is entire maps being wrecked because one server or another has too many PvE players who are only there to get achievements and won’t join teamspeak or work as a team or do the simplest of tasks that WvW players do frequently. Sure, this might be an opportunity to engage some of these players, but chances are they will just do what PvErs do and go farm other content once its over and anet hangs another carrot on a string.
I understand that. But, you know, if you get that bloodlust and stomp the crap out of those players, you could nullify the ppt disadvantage. Problem is, people are just killing the downed instead.
We’ve been trying. We run a 1000 client TeamSpeak server and have plenty of room for the new players however right now on Green BL there are a grand total of 4 people on TeamSpeak not in established WvW guilds.
We post regular map chat messages with the connection info, how to get verified, and the benefits of TS3 including the fact you’ll get most of the achievement points faster by following a commander. Last night I was in charge of posting the message on the BL I was on and after posting it ~10 times over the course of a few hours do you know how many people contacted me for verification or joined the room not from one of the guilds that was in there? Zero.
We can only do so much through map chat not only because it requires someone to stop and type in the middle of a fight and requires people to read it but also because we need to be cautious of spies and tag watchers.
Someone above also mentioned not getting worked up about the jump puzzles but when you run by them and see 25 people just standing around in the JP not even doing it and taking up precious queue space it’s frustrating because you know you have 40 guildies in queue.
How will it change? Do you think all the new people flooding into WvW are new players period? No, most are the same players that enjoyed doing pve for the last year and obviously didn’t want to do WvW.
The only change to WvW is the new achievements. How you cannot see the link between this is beyond me.
The achievements are why they’re trying it, yes. Believe it or not though a lot of people are super intimidated by the thought of PvP, or read horror stories about how it’s all getting corpse camped and tea-bagged and thus never try it.
Once they DO try it, though, they might discover it’s not at all like they thought and is actually fun. Not most, probably, but SOME will. And we want to teach and encourage those guys, yes?
