Guild Wars 2

Lots of people from guilds I know are transfering to HoD and CD because of the free transfers. DH for now is a not a big WvW server at all, and not a top pve server too. Is that the end of DH?

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I think SoR has lost more population than all of DH and then some. Being a lower tier server you can obviously lose some population and fall a tier but that is widely different than a mass exodus that SoR has/is going through.

If anything it is likely DH is experiencing the same problems as a server like BP. We have seen some guilds transfer off and certainly some general WvW attrition but it is only a reduction not an exodus.

SoR is the brand new SoR, Dh is the same ol Dh w/ a few less ppl. at least you’re server migration is starting now as opposed to a month or so ago and you’re not falling from 3rd place to 24th w/ a new season starting while you’re in freefall… so, look on the bright side, it could be worse.

Yeah BP is slowly dying and has been for awhile. Just an overall lack of will from the community on BP anymore it seems. But as stated above, it’s probably not an exodus, however losing any numbers on low tier servers can hurt since the numbers are thin.

allstarpro.4610:

Yeah BP is slowly dying and has been for awhile. Just an overall lack of will from the community on BP anymore it seems. But as stated above, it’s probably not an exodus, however losing any numbers on low tier servers can hurt since the numbers are thin.

I don’t think BP is dying. I think WvW at least in the lower tiers is seeing a general loss across the board in the player base and the total time players put in. Look at the servers around us such as YB which seem to be degrading at the same rate. Some servers I am sure are fairing better than others, but T1/T2 are cannibalizing the ever dwindling lower tier populations to keep their servers active.

SoR on the other hand exploded…. attrition versus exodus IMO.

Dear [Every Plummeting Server],
We know those feels.
Love,
Ehmry Bay

MeanCoffeeBean.2073:

Dear [Every Plummeting Server],
We know those feels.
Love,
Ehmry Bay

no you dont…. you’re beginning to… but kain does.

Actually what left SoR were only the majority of Hardcore WvW guilds (TW, FEAR, HIRE, Choo, GC etc.) leaving the vast majority of the Rallian population intact.

Unfortunately SoR had over the last year fielded mostly just the Hardcore WvW guilds with regular militia and now everyone is still trying to rebuild but the process is becoming long and tedious due to circumstances such as having to be stuck in tier 3, free transfers to other servers, Having the new WvW Guilds settled, etc.

Hopefully we’ll get things running again once things settled down and be able to give servers in whichever tier we end up in a good fight

Jeff.5139:

Actually what left SoR were only the majority of Hardcore WvW guilds (TW, FEAR, HIRE, Choo, GC etc.) leaving the vast majority of the Rallian population intact.

That was half the picture. These are the names that are familiar and of whom , are now mostly in TC. JQ got 2 to 4 WvW focused guilds (Cant be precise). Im not sure what BG got because they were full before SoR transfers. I do believe some folks went to SoS as well. Not sure about mag and fa.

JQ does miss SoR for sure.

Fuzzion.2504:

Jeff.5139:

Actually what left SoR were only the majority of Hardcore WvW guilds (TW, FEAR, HIRE, Choo, GC etc.) leaving the vast majority of the Rallian population intact.

That was half the picture. These are the names that are familiar and of whom , are now mostly in TC. JQ got 2 to 4 WvW focused guilds (Cant be precise). Im not sure what BG got because they were full before SoR transfers. I do believe some folks went to SoS as well. Not sure about mag and fa.

JQ does miss SoR for sure.

Full truth. All of SoRs WvW guilds and a majority if not all of its active hardcore Militia/Pugs followed suit. ( people who only play WvW) SoR had been bleeding a long time before names like Choo TW left. Those guilds were the last hold outs after many had already left to JQ/BG/FA Or back to EU Iron. or Quit the game altogether. Prior to SoRs dropping to T2.

The thing that makes SoRs downfall different than other servers is SoR wasn’t exactly a bandwagon server per se compared to servers like HOD in the beginning of the game. It had its band wagoners like all kitten servers.

However SoR at one time had a great community. Pretty much what caused SoR downfall was there was no community anymore and people who were calling the shots were not good leaders or very smart. People got tired of Buygate and their antics as well who did pretty much anything and everything to win.

DH is no comparison to SoR. What we have with SoR is a T1 server than is going to drop to T8 when everything is said and done with.

Been on DH for ~ 1 year and this is nothing new. We’ll struggle for a bit, drop to T7-T8, rebuild and rally and then return to T6.

In a few months, it will happen again — no big deal.

Well, talking with more people yesterday I realize that people who is leaving DH are those who don’t give a kitten to what server they represent

Steve Whitley.8359:

MeanCoffeeBean.2073:

Dear [Every Plummeting Server],
We know those feels.
Love,
Ehmry Bay

no you dont…. you’re beginning to… but kain does.

Please, ET knows this feeling the best. + We fell the hardest and got steamrolled over the longest.

Devonas has been there as well. We had our exodus and hit bottom back in December. We are climbing back up but still the pool of available population keeps shrinking and we are all competing for it. Do more with less is the reality on lower tiers.

DH is in pretty rough shape in all areas atm.

We will just have to see how this all plays out.

Selexin.1685:

Been on DH for ~ 1 year and this is nothing new. We’ll struggle for a bit, drop to T7-T8, rebuild and rally and then return to T6.

In a few months, it will happen again — no big deal.

This^^^

DH is a lot like GoM now. GoM has been floating from T8 to T6 for the last year+. Sometimes it gets better, other times it gets worse.

The biggest thing that destroys low tier servers is panic. Convince enough people that a server is going to die, and it will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Straegen.2938:

I think SoR has lost more population than all of DH and then some. Being a lower tier server you can obviously lose some population and fall a tier but that is widely different than a mass exodus that SoR has/is going through.

If anything it is likely DH is experiencing the same problems as a server like BP. We have seen some guilds transfer off and certainly some general WvW attrition but it is only a reduction not an exodus.

BP losing a few guilds is nothing compared to what Dh experienced (relatively speaking, since we only had 1 serious wvw guild and they just left)… This is an exodus, not the largest in our history (looking at you abys/se) but possibly the most disastrous unfortunately.

Straegen.2938:

I think SoR has lost more population than all of DH and then some. Being a lower tier server you can obviously lose some population and fall a tier but that is widely different than a mass exodus that SoR has/is going through.

If anything it is likely DH is experiencing the same problems as a server like BP. We have seen some guilds transfer off and certainly some general WvW attrition but it is only a reduction not an exodus.

I don’t know, its pretty sparse now, even at NA primetime.
Really wish we were a free transfer server. People looking to leave will most likely ignore any that have a gem cost (even as low as 800), in favor of the free servers. With no incentive to go to low server (especially those with a gem cost), everyone is more likely moving up (not necessarily to T1), instead of down.

Selexin.1685:

Been on DH for ~ 1 year and this is nothing new. We’ll struggle for a bit, drop to T7-T8, rebuild and rally and then return to T6.

In a few months, it will happen again — no big deal.

I hope your right. Darkhavens been the only server I’ve ever been on, and I don’t want to leave it (there are still some good people on our TS).

Arius.7031:

Straegen.2938:

I think SoR has lost more population than all of DH and then some. Being a lower tier server you can obviously lose some population and fall a tier but that is widely different than a mass exodus that SoR has/is going through.

If anything it is likely DH is experiencing the same problems as a server like BP. We have seen some guilds transfer off and certainly some general WvW attrition but it is only a reduction not an exodus.

BP losing a few guilds is nothing compared to what Dh experienced (relatively speaking, since we only had 1 serious wvw guild and they just left)… This is an exodus, not the largest in our history (looking at you abys/se) but possibly the most disastrous unfortunately.

Gotta agree. This isn’t as big of an exodus as when abyss/se left us, but we just lost at least one WvW focused guild and another really large guild (that was kind wvw focus).
And right now we’re getting beat pretty bad, just because we can’t field the same number of players as NSP/FC. Its really hurting our morale.
Too bad they can’t make it so they leave all 24 servers still there, but for the WvW aspect they merge several of the bottom tier (like merge servers 22, 23, 24 into 19, 20, 21). That way the bottom tiers get more players, while still being able to say they’re “insert server name”.

Darkhaven has been in bad shape for a LONG time in every aspect of the game.

Ever since around this summer it has slowly become desolate. I think around the time BURN dissolved that the server slowly started dying. And this free transfer is the cherry on top of the cake : we just lost a bunch of people who got tired of this kitten and we won’t recover like the time we lost Abys and SE. The only “saving grace” is that other bronze servers are going to go down the kittenter as well for much of the same reasons. So in the 5 person per borderland war that is going to be bronze league, DH may do well!

Barely anyone in new Living Story events, dead WvW, no temple/karka train… hell the only thing we have is a queensdale train.

I am transferring out. This server is dead. I am as of the time of this writing ranked 36th in AP on Darkhaven despite the fact that I only have 13.6k! I haven’t even grinded AP or cared about metas for over half a year now. On a real server I would be ranked 1000th+. The activity, skill level and just overall motivation of our server’s population is awful.

Do a meta event on a t1 server, people in general know what to do. Do it on Darkhaven, and half the players are bearbows (and you get a lot less people as well).

I’m just trying to figure out which server to go to (NSP, CD, HoD) to hopefully get a better experience especially in PvE.

A lot of people seem to be going to HoD for WvW… I’m not sure where I’m going to go yet but I care more about the PvE side so I’m not sure if HoD will be any good for that or not.

SoR recruited slowly over time and pretty much every guild out there was a wvw focused guild. When every one of those guilds leaves it’s a free fall to t8.
I would also like to point out that many of sor’s eu/ocx/sea guilds were afraid they wouldn’t find any fights in t2 and left quickly. That one pretty much sealed sor’s fate.

Anet must know that they had a terrible idea with that. Only the 4 last bronze servers should have free transfers. Very smart, congratulations.

I’m only happy because archeage is coming this year, no more reasons to play gw2.

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Tolkien.4810:

Anet must know that they had a terrible idea with that. Only the 4 last bronze servers should have free transfers. Very smart, congratulations.

I’m only happy because archeage is coming this year, no more reasons to play gw2.

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Yeah, having free transfers to t5 may have been a good idea for LEAGUES, but that was a bad idea for WvW. It’s going to hurt the already hurt lower ranked servers. It’s not just Dh that’s losing, guilds from pretty much every bronze server are leaving, I heard inc for example left AR.

Thankfully for most other bronze servers, they were lucky enough to have free transfers…