Guild Wars 2

“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”

Here is Archaos, manning a treb for an opposing server while trying to recruit it /map. Keep it classy.

What happened to the other thread exposing their PvP manipulation?

He also likes to mislead the opposing team into getting slaughtered by his guild.

Seeing a lot of this going on, it needs to stop, a commander was organising trade offs on Gandara other day, when I tackled him, all I got was told to “shut up”.

These guys played on Kil’Jaeden as well and thought they were skilled because they could get a zerg into Orgrimmar and mash AOE’s. I was actually on their side (alliance), but it’s funny that being able to get enough people together to hit an AOE that will go off 10 seconds later (massive skill lag) = skill.

I see they haven’t changed. They want to win by recruiting the numbers to be able to zerg 24/7. Doesn’t really matter to me, they are allowed to do what they want. That being said, I just don’t see how it’s fun for their members. Must suck to not have anyone to PvP so you stare at legendary guards all day.

bartsimpsons.6135:

wow this makes me lol

how kitten up must that guy be in the head to go so far as to what he is doing

its ultra pathetic because they already outnumber us like 5:1

they are recruiting to compete with HoD….it’s also why they prolly threw one of the 24hr matches so they could have a week to recruit oceanic players and be competitive with HoD the week after….course it could all be coincidence.

Newbie.4586:

bartsimpsons.6135:

wow this makes me lol

how kitten up must that guy be in the head to go so far as to what he is doing

its ultra pathetic because they already outnumber us like 5:1

they are recruiting to compete with HoD….it’s also why they prolly threw one of the 24hr matches so they could have a week to recruit oceanic players and be competitive with HoD the week after….course it could all be coincidence.

there goes my faith in humanity

I have to point out that his stated reason for manning that treb was because it was in an “exploited position”. So in his strange universe it was justified.

I’d also like to point out that it is not up to him to deal with exploits, that’s what the report function is for, so his justification is rubbish.

I wonder why Anet hasn’t responded to such match manipulation such as server transferring to stop the enemy team from using their siege weapons. Even admitting to do so in chat.

Keep the community informed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1048gc/ruin_round_up/

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64709-et-vs-sos-vs-ij-1week-format/page__st__150

Sivorick.1674:

Keep the community informed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1048gc/ruin_round_up/

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64709-et-vs-sos-vs-ij-1week-format/page__st__150

I also took precautions of showing their match manipulation to ensure all the evidence was kept in one place.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/365299

huehueue so funny when this guy gets banned

judging by his behaviour “winning” WvW is his life

tryharding this much is semi understandable if you are outnumbered and have no choice
but this is ridiculous, ET outnumbers SoS and IoJ combined by atleast 2x

i bet they think its their “tactics” which is the key to their success /roflmao

wow, ruin is still around? this zerg guilds been around foreverrrrrrr

There is a line between trying to win and just taking the fun out of it.

vrgadin.1943:

Ha…those are the trebs that are invulnerable…..and you dare to speak of class, also looks like hes doing u scrubs a favor since we own mendens, and everything else for that matter….cry more

The trebs are not invulnerable. In fact. RUIN has already found a way up to get to them and destroy them.

vrgadin.1943:

Ha…those are the trebs that are invulnerable…..and you dare to speak of class, also looks like hes doing u scrubs a favor since we own mendens, and everything else for that matter….cry more

Nice fail post. Classless guild.

The thing that makes this really pathetic, is he’s not just some misbehaving guildie, he’s the guild leader.

At first I didn’t want to get involved in this thread, I am neutral on the ordeal of ET players coming over to SoS to recruit. It is a very viable strategy in war. War is not an ethical thing, and people doing anything to win is to be expected and this is why I love WvW so much. My guild, the Black Lion Mercenary Corps [MERC] was also built on a principle which many might find “unethical” (if you wish to know what, visit our website, we are quite open about it).

I would like to shed some light on the matter with some facts and observations.

Regarding the Trebuchets

First of all, I will admit that I am the one that built that trebuchet Archaos is holding. I paid for the blueprint, I placed it there and I rallied the people to get the supplies to build it. If you ask me, I think that spot was intentionally put there because there is a deliberate mini jumping puzzle to reach it was clearly a platform at the summit without any vistas at the top. The enemy was at our door step, where else are we supposed to build other than inside our base?

Secondly, it is not invulnerable. One single ET Thief was able to get up there and destroy our first treb. Props to that thief by the way, you got some mad skills. We learned our lesson and placed 5 players to guard that spot. Later on, a mini-ET zerg was able to take out those trebs. So they are definitely vulnerable.

Regarding RUIN helping SoS

Look at the first picture. It’s obvious that Archaos was firing the treb. So his argument about holding that treb so that other players could not “exploit it” is thrown right out the window. Unfortunately I was offline by the time Archaos took control of the treb, so I couldn’t relinquish him of control.

However, unlike what the OP of this thread is trying to say, he was not firing the treb at the Mendon’s Tower. He was firing to the North West side of the map. I don’t know what is at the north west side of the map but whatever it was it wasn’t helping SoS.

My personal stance on this is we should just let this thread slide into oblivion. Stop posting in it. Lock it. ET is winning the war and RUIN is just one cog in their war machine. SoS should stop wasting time really push back in a coordinated effort instead of giving up. Use this opportunity to learn how to push back when you are facing unprecedented adversity. SoS is not fifth on the WvW rankings because we are good, it’s because we’ve never faced a strong enemy until today.

Sivorick.1674:

Keep the community informed.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1048gc/ruin_round_up/

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64709-et-vs-sos-vs-ij-1week-format/page__st__150

Lol I looked at the reddit link and I think it had 4 votes. I just showed a friend and now it’s at 0. Looks like they got a few guys downvoting it. Voted up to show my support.

Jedahs.2713:

However, unlike what the OP of this thread is trying to say, he was not firing the treb at the Mendon’s Tower. He was firing to the North West side of the map. I don’t know what is at the north west side of the map but whatever it was it wasn’t helping SoS.

Erm, I was there. In the picture. He was firing it at our spawn point npcs and basically stopping us from using the treb. He even admitted in chat to doing so.

Jedahs.2713:

My personal stance on this is we should just let this thread slide into oblivion. Stop posting in it. Lock it. ET is winning the war and RUIN is just one cog in their war machine. SoS should stop wasting time really push back in a coordinated effort instead of crying. Use this opportunity to learn how to push back when you are facing unprecedented adversity. SoS is not fifth on the WvW rankings because we are good, it’s because we’ve never faced a strong enemy until today.

How long have you been on Sea of Sorrows? Do you remember the first two times we faced Eredon Terrace? And Northern Shiverpeaks before that?

This is not the first time our server has been completely dominated. That’s not the issue. How ever this is the first time to my knowledge of sabotage from within by players free transfers over to our server to hamper our chances to make a come back.

We don’t care about the score. Apparently RUIN does.

Yes we have been beaten a fair amount of times. We are ranked 5th because the only people we lost to are either ahead of us, or use to be the big hardcore pvp servers like northern shiverpeaks. All the other scrub servers we dominate.

The fact that they refer to themselves as a “mature guild” is laughable. Anything but.

Jedahs.2713:

At first I didn’t want to get involved in this thread, I am neutral on the ordeal of ET players coming over to SoS to recruit. It is a very viable strategy in war. War is not an ethical thing, and people doing anything to win is to be expected and this is why I love WvW so much.

It’s not war. It’s just a game. You should hopefully be aware of the differences between the two. This kind of “all’s fair in love and war” argument is nonsense. It’s a game, played for enjoyment it and should be fair and balanced.

Irishbrewed.6537:

The fact that they refer to themselves as a “mature guild” is laughable. Anything but.

if the mature thing to do is to make threads on public forums containing names and screenshots of all of the people we have caught crossrealming and using our teamspeak server to relay information back and forth (which we catch by having a system to know who is on teamspeak and what server they are on, or even if they are on at all).

then we would be extremely immature by your standards, because we don’t feel the needs to expose the large number of guilds and people that we have had to ban and kick multiple times over the days.

people just cant get past the fact that we aren’t spying on anyone, we are recruiting for our off peak hours. and archaos’ actions were just as helpful as the people who run around in WvW doing jumping puzzles and vistas for achievments and violates no ToS because his sole purpose wasn’t to disrupt and cause your server to lose, it had already lost and that is a fact.

it seems funny to me that people would justify the siege earlier in the sense that “it isn’t helping us anyway so why does it matter if its up here, we cant get out of spawn”. and t hen all of a sudden, its game breaking when someone posts a screen of someone using it? seems almost like a double standard.

and on the topic of the siege anyway, yes, we did get up to it, but it is not intended to be able to get up to it, the legendary guards will 1 shot anyone coming up, and every single person in invulnerable right up until that point in the spawn area and around it because that is how the effect was spread out. but if you honestly think that it is intentional game mechanic to have to get a group of 30 people together, and bum rush a spawn area, only to get 2 people through after 10 attempts (300 deaths just to get people up there), with no other way to get in… then you are clearly just trying to troll every single person here stating it is “accessible”…. because it is clearly not accessible by any normal means. please…. oh please, in the kindest words i can put them in…. get real.

I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:

- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.

- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.

- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.

- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.

- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.

I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.

Mallone.7905:

I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:

- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.

- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.

- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.

- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.

- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.

I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.

heresay is not truth.

Kracin.6078:

Mallone.7905:

I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:

- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.

- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.

- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.

- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.

- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.

I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.

heresay is not truth.

None of this is “heresay”. This is personal experience of many. Including myself.

Mallone.7905:

Kracin.6078:

Mallone.7905:

I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:

- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.

- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.

- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.

- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.

- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.

I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.

heresay is not truth.

None of this is “heresay”. This is personal experience of many. Including myself.

personal experience is not truth.

as i said, heresay is not truth either.

personally, i have seen you and your entire guild fly hacking.

^ hint, that is personal experience, so it is obviously true

Kracin, you cannot disprove anything. There are plenty of screenshots proving that Archaos is crossing a line that was not intended to be crossed. The antics of Ruin are well known and documented.

On that note, I was the one who started the other “Ruin, Stay on your own server” post yesterday. It is now gone, and i don’t think it’s worth it to start another one…. Thankfully somebody else did.

What Ruin does/did is despicable. It undermines the very “spirit” of the game. You want to remain competitive, yet in order to achieve that, you are more than willing to poach the players from the server you are currently up against. And no, he was not there to just recruit Oceanics. He was there to recruit anybody who wanted to go. Clearly, the exact opposite of what Anet wants done with the free transfers. Whether it’s against TOS or a Bannable offense, doesn’t matter. Your leader is trash, which unfortunately makes the rest of the sheep who follow him Trash.

Mallone.7905:

Kracin.6078:

Mallone.7905:

I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:

- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.

- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.

- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.

- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.

- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.

I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.

heresay is not truth.

None of this is “heresay”. This is personal experience of many. Including myself.

Agree. I used to play with them a while ago and they did all these things.

What I find funny is that Archaos likes to act like people hate him because he is good, not for the obnoxious jerk he is.

Kracin.6078:

Mallone.7905:

Kracin.6078:

Mallone.7905:

I played WoW for several years and came across “Ruin Gaming” in the second expansion on the US Kil’Jaeden Server. They have a terrible reputation for doing obnoxious things that deteriorate the gameplay for others in all aspects of things, be it in-game or other social mediums. Their players are cult-like and defend every action of their community leader (Arkhaos/Archaos whatever) with nonsense or terrible logic every time their name pops up in a negative fashion. They have been known to do the following:

- Planting ‘spies’ into other guilds that would compete with them in any way in hopes to destroy them from within.

- Breaking the game by blobbing objectives with 2 to 3 times the amount of a considerable mass of players.

- Trashing forums with trolling or otherwise destructive posting.

- Targeted reporting (or down-rating like in the reddit post mentioned above) from their players ordered from higher up in the community to deter anyone that puts the limelight on their actions.

- Doing absolutely anything they can to be “the top pvp guild in X”, whether those things are acceptable by the game developers/community of the game or not.

I’m very glad to see that their antics are being made public here already and I hope that the ArenaNet team takes note of it. I know from personal experience that they don’t plan to stop this type of thing any time soon and someone will need to step in.

heresay is not truth.

None of this is “heresay”. This is personal experience of many. Including myself.

personal experience is not truth.

as i said, heresay is not truth either.

personally, i have seen you and your entire guild fly hacking.

^ hint, that is personal experience, so it is obviously true

This is the court of public opinion. There is not a need to “prove” things (although there has been plenty of evidence posted via screenshots".

IMO the best course you can as a ruin member would be is to stop free bumping these posts.

thank you for proving my point trae, this is purely public opinion, and the opinion of people can easily be swayed when they are down in the dirt andkitten off because of losing, everyone will say everything in an attempt to gain credibility.

in the end, it is just as it seems.. all of the allegation of cheating and exploiting over the years, and yet no bannings. all just heresay and attempts to discredit people who play the same games, but won, and the only venue they feel they can win, is the one where they feel they have nothing to lose as a random person attacking a group of people identified by a name.

even if that one person is shown to have been nothing but a bold faced liar, he just disappears into nothing and forgotten, but people still remember the name of the group that was the target, which is why it still follows around to this day with the same people from the same previous games, saying the same old things that they still haven’t gotten off their chest from years ago.

Anet is the final judges, and i’m sure they won’t hesitate to ban people who they feel are harmful to their game and community, but for some reason i have a feeling that they don’t feel someone who runs a guild (who hasn’t broken any rules mind you), that is build around running a large organization (which is complained about all the time.. of course numbers win this game of guildwars 2, and we all know it from seeing the top brackets, you cant win without population to start), is going to be banned… for doing just that, running a large organization with the intent to win.

Kracin.6078:

thank you for proving my point trae, this is purely public opinion, and the opinion of people can easily be swayed when they are down in the dirt andkitten off because of losing, everyone will say everything in an attempt to gain credibility.

in the end, it is just as it seems.. all of the allegation of cheating and exploiting over the years, and yet no bannings. all just heresay and attempts to discredit people who play the same games, but won, and the only venue they feel they can win, is the one where they feel they have nothing to lose as a random person attacking a group of people identified by a name.

even if that one person is shown to have been nothing but a bold faced liar, he just disappears into nothing and forgotten, but people still remember the name of the group that was the target, which is why it still follows around to this day with the same people from the same previous games, saying the same old things that they still haven’t gotten off their chest from years ago.

Anet is the final judges, and i’m sure they won’t hesitate to ban people who they feel are harmful to their game and community, but for some reason i have a feeling that they don’t feel someone who runs a guild (who hasn’t broken any rules mind you), that is build around running a large organization (which is complained about all the time.. of course numbers win this game of guildwars 2, and we all know it from seeing the top brackets, you cant win without population to start), is going to be banned… for doing just that, running a large organization with the intent to win.

TL;DR is: Everyone that’s ever hated on Ruin Gaming in all the other games is just hating because they lose to them and they have no real reason other than that.

This is the delusional “drank the kool-aid” cult follower I was talking about folks. This guy actually FULLY BELIEVES that his guild and guild leader do nothing to irk other players and their complaints are unsubstantiated. Nevermind the screenshots! Nevermind all the players coming here to talk about the underhanded things your guild does! Nevermind the players from OTHER games saying “yeah, those guys made the last game I played rot from within”!

kracin.6078:

thank you for proving my point trae, this is purely public opinion, and the opinion of people can easily be swayed when they are down in the dirt andkitten off because of losing, everyone will say everything in an attempt to gain credibility.

in the end, it is just as it seems.. all of the allegation of cheating and exploiting over the years, and yet no bannings. all just heresay and attempts to discredit people who play the same games, but won, and the only venue they feel they can win, is the one where they feel they have nothing to lose as a random person attacking a group of people identified by a name.

even if that one person is shown to have been nothing but a bold faced liar, he just disappears into nothing and forgotten, but people still remember the name of the group that was the target, which is why it still follows around to this day with the same people from the same previous games, saying the same old things that they still haven’t gotten off their chest from years ago.

Anet is the final judges, and i’m sure they won’t hesitate to ban people who they feel are harmful to their game and community, but for some reason i have a feeling that they don’t feel someone who runs a guild (who hasn’t broken any rules mind you), that is build around running a large organization (which is complained about all the time.. of course numbers win this game of guildwars 2, and we all know it from seeing the top brackets, you cant win without population to start), is going to be banned… for doing just that, running a large organization with the intent to win.

Well that’s funny, because of all the servers who are being stomped right now, and out of all the guilds in the game, only one guild on one server is being trashed.

So maybe the reason people don’t like your guild is because of its behavior.

Also, its irrelevant as to whether or not we lost the match or not. Your guild leader and another guildie came onto our server while we were making ground against your guild, in order to try and mislead them and to spy on us.

Wow a RUIN topic. I just recently left RUIN to find out whats it was like on other servers. ET has a decent WvW, but its PvE is lacking. I remember when we went to ET and it was fun running around a new server unopposed. The truth is the alliance left NSP due to having a hard time getting in. Personally, I think RUIN is the strongest guild on ET. They have three branches. Beyond RUIN, I don’t see ET having the rank its having without them. I was frustrated seeing the map outside of Eternal fall to HoD and others. Yet they rant if they see a RUIN tag outside of one or two battlegrounds.

As far as RUIN as a whole, I just want to say that there are some good people in it. I don’t see it as an all bad evil cult. As far as the leadership goes, its very military. The strong point is that the zerg, siege and tactics work well under Archaos and the officers. On the other hand, the lack of personal freedom was just not my taste. I’m kind of the do my own thing, say what I want type. They also need to work with people on the server better. RUIN doesn’t like to work with pugs. Not all players are into clans, but still can help in the fight. We had the offense, but often lacked the defense. Having to run back is an issue.

I ended up on JQ and I like it overall. I don’t know if this is final or not, but JQ is a good overall server.

whats all this fuss about some random guild?

I’d like to take a second to point a few things out to people that don’t understand the motivations behind these threads. What we are calling Archaos out on, needs to stop. It has no place in any match. IoJ can take a loss. We can take being curbstomped at our spawn point. It happened during Beta, It happened during the 24 hour match up and it might happen again.

Transferring over to a realm you are competing against and recruiting is not the problem. It’s pretty despicable and a shows a complete lack of honor, but it’s to be expected. Standing in Lion’s Arch trash talking the server while you recruit is a pretty low move too, but again isn’t a TOS violation. What is clearly against the TOS is entering our WvW and disrupting our efforts. It doesn’t matter if the match is lopsided nor does it matter if there is no chance we can win.

Per the TOS
“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”

I’d also like to point out that we are still there. We are still fighting and we are still taking points. Our small primetime warband has taken camps, towers, and we have pushed them back. Much of our server has given up and honestly I can’t blame them, but we are still fighting.

For what it’s worth, here are my thoughts:

Crossing realms to recruit is a temporary thing. Once transfers cost gems, I am certain this will be a far less common thing.

Crossing realms to purposefully deny your opponent a Trebuchet that they paid for with coin, time, and supply is not only wrong, but should be a rewarded with a temporary ban from the game and the forums.

A guild that specializes in “unsavory” tactics is entirely valid, and even important in the grand scheme of things. From an in-character perspective: bad guys have guilds too. From an out-of-character perspective: you can’t call your guild honorable unless these things are possible and purposefully NOT done by your guild – no light without darkness.

Kracin.6078:

thank you for proving my point trae, this is purely public opinion, and the opinion of people can easily be swayed when they are down in the dirt andkitten off because of losing, everyone will say everything in an attempt to gain credibility.

in the end, it is just as it seems.. all of the allegation of cheating and exploiting over the years, and yet no bannings. all just heresay and attempts to discredit people who play the same games, but won, and the only venue they feel they can win, is the one where they feel they have nothing to lose as a random person attacking a group of people identified by a name.

even if that one person is shown to have been nothing but a bold faced liar, he just disappears into nothing and forgotten, but people still remember the name of the group that was the target, which is why it still follows around to this day with the same people from the same previous games, saying the same old things that they still haven’t gotten off their chest from years ago.

Anet is the final judges, and i’m sure they won’t hesitate to ban people who they feel are harmful to their game and community, but for some reason i have a feeling that they don’t feel someone who runs a guild (who hasn’t broken any rules mind you), that is build around running a large organization (which is complained about all the time.. of course numbers win this game of guildwars 2, and we all know it from seeing the top brackets, you cant win without population to start), is going to be banned… for doing just that, running a large organization with the intent to win.

You are missing the point. It’s not about being banned or found guilty. It is what the entire game’s perception of your guild is. There is no need for proof or mass bannings. This is the community doing what it can within its power to call your guild out. Your leadership is setting a horrible example for your guild.

Think of it this way: there is construction on a road and everyone needs to get over into the right lane. Everyone sees the sign that says move over. Every car moves over when they see the sign well ahead of the lane being closed. Your guild is the car that goes to the very end and just forces their way into the lane. Is it against the law? No. Is it a huge fkitten move? Yes.

If your guild is fine with being that guy, good for you. The cool part is in this instance we get to go find you on the battlefield and release all our frustrations on you. I know in light of this, it should be easy money getting all of HoD on EB to work against you.

Good luck. See you on the battlefield.

Some people would sacrifice their friends to win. Thats the amazing part about this sandboxy environment. While I don’t condone breaking rules, people are getting very creative and can appreciate that. Tactics and Politics are a huge part of making WvW fun.

I can’t seem to quote on this one, but….

@Trae

“Think of it this way: there is construction on a road and everyone needs to get over into the right lane. Everyone sees the sign that says move over. Every car moves over when they see the sign well ahead of the lane being closed. Your guild is the car that goes to the very end and just forces their way into the lane. Is it against the law? No. Is it a huge fkitten move? Yes.”

Great explanation. Everybody considers being that guy, but most of us know better. On the internet being that guy is a lot easier since you don’t have to look the people that you are screwing over in the eye. Doesn’t seem to stop anyone.

@Kracin

You do realize that drama follows people that instigate it. There are lines and Archaos clearly crossed them, hence he is being called on it with proof. People reap what they sow and Ruin is no different.

Azure Prower.8701:

I wonder why Anet hasn’t responded to such match manipulation such as server transferring to stop the enemy team from using their siege weapons. Even admitting to do so in chat.

ArenaNet is still slightly confused about what kind of gamemode WvW is.

Is WvW for casual afterwork players, or is it for hardcore, EVE Online style alliances who use every dirty trick possible 24/7 to win?

At the moment, they are letting the hardcore dominate, and it threatens to decimate the casual population. Will see what changes the weeks ahead bring.

RUIN are a joke, an immature egotistic noskill zerg guild.
I would feel ashamed to drop in skill level to join them

Archaos is scared that the current match up is causing people to leave ET and I think he knows without numbers they will never be in contention with HoD and SBI.

@Thrumdi: “Is WvW for casual afterwork players, or is it for hardcore, EVE Online style alliances who use every dirty trick possible 24/7 to win?”

I just want to iterate that there isn’t a perfect correlation between hardcore alliances and players who use every dirty trick possible 24/7 to win.

In the case of RUIN, that may be a 1:1 correlation.

In the case of Titan, on Henge of Denravi, the statement isn’t correlated at all.

you guys realize we find these types of threads extremely entertaining, right? /popcorn

Jedahs.2713:

My personal stance on this is we should just let this thread slide into oblivion. Stop posting in it. Lock it. ET is winning the war and RUIN is just one cog in their war machine. SoS should stop wasting time really push back in a coordinated effort instead of giving up. Use this opportunity to learn how to push back when you are facing unprecedented adversity. SoS is not fifth on the WvW rankings because we are good, it’s because we’ve never faced a strong enemy until today.

This so much, honestly, most of the posts from SoS here are extremely immature and give an extremely bad image to your world and to some even worse than RUIN’s reputation, since most of their explanations make sense while SoS only replies to them with insults.
You see them in game doing all this “bad stuff”, we dont and we dont care, but we see what happens in the forum and all this is pathetic and childish.

Your entirely mistaken if you think we care what RUIN finds entertaining. I’m more interested in getting a dev to tell me that it’s ok for me to go touch your siege equipment through exploiting the free transfers that are in place for another reason.

Oh Sivorick, if someone did that to them. They would cry many tears about it on the /map and possibly the forums. So much so, those tears would carve a longer and deeper gash than that of The Dragonbrand (for the lore kittens).

Ruin doesn’t believe inkitten for Tat. I was quite aware of that in WAR when I played with them. Other guilds would use Ruin tactics and Archaos would be raging on Vent (literally frothing at the mouth and you could hear him dragging his hand forcefully over his neckbeard on the mic in anger), then a couple days later he would do the same thing that he claim BS and unfair and sit there proclaiming how much of a skilled tactical genius.

Nobody should take Ruin seriously and for the most part nobody does. They have hollow victories as always. What they do is like walking up to Christopher Reeves knocking out of his chair and scream “PWNED!!!!” in his face and then brag about how tough they are to the 11 o’clock news.

Pathetic

Ruin Gaming LLC Responds

Having conducted an extensive review of the issues presented on the Official Guild Wars 2 forums we have made a public edict regarding these baseless, hysterical and increasingly shrill accusations:

“Hey Ruin! Stay on your server!”

Ruin Gaming LLC: “No”

“Ruin keeping it classy”

Ruin Gaming LLC: “Always”

Our reasoning:

- Free server transfers for the purpose of distributing players from High and Full population servers to Low/Medium population servers are clearly an intended objective of the ArenaNet transfer program.
- The SOS and IOJ servers are both Full/High servers. Eredon Terrace is a Low/Medium server.
- It is the destiny of SOS and IOJ players to join Ruin Gaming and rule the Galaxy.

In regards to allegations of “Cross Realming”

- The Eredon Terrace, Sea of Sorrows, Isle of Janthir match has in no way been impacted by recruitment efforts.
- The match in question was won by Eredon Terrace prior to recruitment efforts: (Even controlling all nodes on the map for the remainder of the match by either IOJ or SOS would still have resulted in a loss, a fact that was patiently explained prior to recruitment efforts.)
- Recruitment officers from Ruin have all clearly announced themselves and have continued to display their guild tags.
- Were Ruin interested in an official policy of “cross realming” we certainly wouldn’t have blatantly announced ourselves with guild emblems, commander tags and uniforms clearly displayed.
- James bond does not wear an MI6 name tag during covert operations. I checked their website to confirm: https://www.sis.gov.uk/careers.html (check it yourself).

We have issued a public post further outlining Ruin recruitment policies in regards to Sea of Sorrows:

http://www.ruinnation.com/ruin-currently-recruiting-oceanic-players-from-sea-of-sorrows/

Our recruitment policy will continue to include a major focus on Oceanic and late night players focused on WvW.

- Archaos

CEO Ruin Gaming LLC