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Posted by: Battlerobot.9461

Battlerobot.9461

Q:

First off SMC. I’ve heard many people say that SMC isn’t meant to be held for a long time. Personally I think It should be held the entire time. I would rather defend an SMC with a wp and let the my T3 keep fall. SMC is in the middle of the map with a wp you can wp back and get to anywhere on the map in half the time, while our keep is located right next to our BL wp. Yes I know SMC is bigger and easier to keep it undersieged.

That being said I think there should be greater incentive and rewards for holding SMC longer. Each match up or round is a whole week long, so there should be side meta events like “Hold SMC for 2 or 3 days” or even 24 hours and you get a Champion to help guard an outer gate, and inner gate or a corridor of the Lords room. After the 2, 3 days or 24 hour is achieved then the next tier will bring another Champ or a trio of Champs to patrol the outer, inner courtyards or the Lords room while the Lord is moved to the 2nd floor. The patrolling champ(s) can even patrol outside of the castle making it harder to gather intel and timer tap. Finally Tier 3, hold SMC for 6 days and the Lord is moved to the third floor with 2 champs guarding the 2nd floor and 1 champ guarding the first floor. There should be a pool of 10 to 15 champs you can choose from. It would be nice if the champs were unique class of themselves, like the Monk, the Crusader / Paladin, on the toad swamp side the Mist Walker / Shaman, and on the Ogre side the Jugganaunt. During Tournament play these meta events can be even more attractive by offering skins, or minis of the champs that you’ve earned by Holding SMC for an X amount of time / days.

There can be more incentives and rewards like the Trio time limit in Frostgourge Sound. This is where escorting 10K Dolyaks wouldn’t seem so boring and unsatisfying. After the first tier is achieved “Hold SMC for 2 Days” AND a wp is built, a meta event would kick in and give you the opportunity to swift buff and escort those Yaks to their destination(s) to achieve a certain amount of supplies before the timer is up. If they do complete the event(s), then for a reduced amount of coin and badges you can either choose which side or whichever side the most supplies were delivered from and put up 1 to 3 sieges, trebs, catapults, acs or ballistas at 3/4 of the supplies needed to build them. Or they can be already built and you choose where to put them. Another option could allow a 2nd wp to be built in the outer courtyard. The Yak escort event could be available for each side of SMC. You can then choose to build a wp on each side of SMC and be unhinged from the Lords room wp. Meaning when the outer wp(s) is contested the inner Lords room wp is still available to use. Of course this would only be available after you’ve at least achieved the first tier of the 6 day hold event. The outer wps could further be unhinged from each other after the 2nd tier of the hold is achieved. Now that would certainly be so much more rewarding than just getting a bronze, silver or gold medal with no experience, silver or karma to go with it. When those Yak event pop the opposing side would also have stop the Yak / supply delivery events pop. The incentive and rewards could be anywhere from lots of gold, temp buffs, slowing the arrival of the champs or disabling a set of gate guards, mortars, cannons etc… on one side of SMC and the champ that was earned from the first tier of holding for a limited amount of time. If the map is full then 2 or 3 simultaneous bonus Yak events can pop at the same time. On the attacking side, if you manage to stop or event cripple, i.e. treb the opposing teams supply depot and reduce it to 0 or a certain amount then the reward / disabling time could go as long as 1 day.

Finally, if you manage to hold SMC for the entire duration of the round, about 6.5 to 7 days. Then you can start the next round with a T3 SMC with a wp already built and ready to rock. Future match ups can pit 3 servers that achieved this amazing feat and start them out with a T3 keep with wp built and let them mad dash for control of SMC and try to be the best of the best. You can give them further incentive by offering the 7 Unique Ascended or Legendary weapons or armor skins or the mercenary champs outfit / armor as rewards. Now that would be a Tournament to end all Tournaments.

I’ve got a few more ideas for Borderlands and Tower mechanics but that’s for another day.

If you have any suggestion feel free to rock n roll.

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

Jeknar.6184

The server with the highets pop will always hold SMC for long periods of time… Your idea only make them even more dominant than they already are.

That said… Noty.

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Posted by: Battlerobot.9461

Battlerobot.9461

Ehh last I checked aren’t server pops matched up? Just because your server doesn’t wanna WvW doesn’t mean that they are ganged up on. Also if you’ve got the skills to pay the builds and know at least 3 other class skills and dynamics then you can easily go 1 v 3. 1 RoS Thief, not that familiar with an 80 Guard, got one that i’m craft leveling he’s 54 atm, but Guards are Guards I know they can shadow step to mobs to attack n to allies to heal at 1200 range. Thief, Guard, another Guard and or Mes, Engi, Warr, Necro, Eles. Another poison share Thief and bam bam BAM shadow step, 1 Guard attack shadow step, the other heal SS to the back, my particular favorite right smack dab in the middle of the zerg or on the side and for 3 secs cause major havoc, scatter and pick off. The Guard once in has plenty of Stab he / she / they can buff us with and then the Guards can do what Guards do. The Mes meanwhile can also port in bubble us or bubble the zerg, personally I like torch evade / distortion / reflect when you’re distorted or glamour fields cause confusion and confusion blinds. So many things to have fun with, mantra heals, clone bombs etc… Eles DD enough said, Warrs they dumb but carry a big stick, Necros play dirty and even Huntards they can stealth to… Use your imagination.

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Posted by: Swamurabi.7890

Swamurabi.7890

All that’s easy to do when your server, I assume it’s DB from your past posts, has double the 2nd place server points and 3x the 3rd place server. IIRC, wasn’t it DB that had all keeps in EB waypointed before the weekend was over?

Move to an outmanned/outpopluated/outcoveraged server and then tell the rest of us how easy it is to hold SMC.

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Posted by: Blockhead Magee.3092

Blockhead Magee.3092

There are a number of synonyms of ‘bad’ I have for that idea. Most would come across as ‘kitten’.

Coverage wins. Sure, a smaller force occasionally outwits/plays a larger one, but its always the exception, not the rule.

SBI

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

Jeknar.6184

Ehh last I checked aren’t server pops matched up?

No.

I ignored the rest of the post because it’s unreadable…

Coverage wins. Sure, a smaller force occasionally outwits/plays a larger one, but its always the exception, not the rule.

You can win fights, but not the matchup…

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Posted by: Battlerobot.9461

Battlerobot.9461

Do some research on the other servers b4 you wah wah wah. During the previous Tournament Crystal Desert and SBI had us out numbered a few times. Our server believe it or not is mostly PvE. Personally I’m more PvE myself but I do like to enjoy all facets of this game. I don’t even know what servers we up against this week haven’t been or looked into WvW yet this week. Most of the WvWers from CD I heard has transfered to higher pop / league servers. As far as the other servers go I think they are doing LS stuff at the moment. I can’t speak for my server, I don’t even attend the weekly server WvW meetings they have. I’ve heard players from other servers saying since this is the off season they are intentionally losing week after week to lower their rank / tier / standing so when the tournament starts they can pick on some 1 or 2 kiddies and call themselves champs. I’m pretty sure you know all about that Swamurabi since you seem to follow DBs’ WvW activities so closely. WvW is a great place to farm pvp or pve wise, especially since it’s so under guarded. Last week about 5 of us PvD one of the hills Inner gate and noone came to stop us. Took us about 10 or so mins and no one came, not even an npc guard. So hey I’m not one to look a gift horse in the teeth.

Anyways I run zerk in PvE, it get a bit boring sometimes just 111 2222222 11111 22222 dodge 2222 dodge 2221111

I hop in WvW cause I can 67821344595873 dodge north south east west, talk some kitten etc….

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

Jeknar.6184

3/10 troll atempt… Trying too hard.

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Posted by: Battlerobot.9461

Battlerobot.9461

Huh??? me no unda stan troll…

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Posted by: Swamurabi.7890

Swamurabi.7890

Do some research on the other servers b4 you wah wah wah. During the previous Tournament Crystal Desert and SBI had us out numbered a few times. Our server believe it or not is mostly PvE. Personally I’m more PvE myself but I do like to enjoy all facets of this game. I don’t even know what servers we up against this week haven’t been or looked into WvW yet this week. Most of the WvWers from CD I heard has transfered to higher pop / league servers. As far as the other servers go I think they are doing LS stuff at the moment. I can’t speak for my server, I don’t even attend the weekly server WvW meetings they have. I’ve heard players from other servers saying since this is the off season they are intentionally losing week after week to lower their rank / tier / standing so when the tournament starts they can pick on some 1 or 2 kiddies and call themselves champs. I’m pretty sure you know all about that Swamurabi since you seem to follow DBs’ WvW activities so closely. WvW is a great place to farm pvp or pve wise, especially since it’s so under guarded. Last week about 5 of us PvD one of the hills Inner gate and noone came to stop us. Took us about 10 or so mins and no one came, not even an npc guard. So hey I’m not one to look a gift horse in the teeth.

Anyways I run zerk in PvE, it get a bit boring sometimes just 111 2222222 11111 22222 dodge 2222 dodge 2221111

I hop in WvW cause I can 67821344595873 dodge north south east west, talk some kitten etc….

The guild I am in transferred to DB for season 2 to stay in gold for GvGs. DB didn’t have the organization to be in T2. I’ve since transferred back. What DB did have was more population/coverage during the other two servers off peak times and that resulted in high PPT for 12-16 hours. All DB’s EST-PST players had to do was not lose a lot of objectives and DB’s SEA group would PvD with very little resistence. So just because you have three servers with close glicko scores it doesn’t mean you will have balanced fights 24/7.

That’s why 5 of you could take 10 minutes to cap hills. It wasn’t because you’re better or more skilled, it’s because there wasn’t anybody else on the map to stop you.

I don’t follow DB, or any other specific server. I DO however follow WvW and have for 2 years.

IF at some point in the future, maybe GW3, there is a balance of population with equal coverage for all sides in a matchup, we can talk about adding a feature or mechanic that rewards skillful play.

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Posted by: Rangerdeity.5847

Rangerdeity.5847

Your idea has been dismissed by the community please stop trying

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Posted by: Rage.8197

Rage.8197

Your idea has been dismissed by the community please stop trying

All 6 of you….

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

Jeknar.6184

All 6 of you….

well that’s 6 against 0 atm

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Posted by: Synosius.9876

Synosius.9876

I think op is playing a different gw2 than the rest of us…

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Posted by: Battlerobot.9461

Battlerobot.9461

“That’s why 5 of you could take 10 minutes to cap hills. It wasn’t because you’re better or more skilled, it’s because there wasn’t anybody else on the map to stop you.”

Do I hear an echo???

Yeah I play zerk, coordination, team work game, not the guard u-turn kiddie game.

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Posted by: TexZero.7910

TexZero.7910

Do some research on the other servers b4 you wah wah wah. During the previous Tournament Crystal Desert and SBI had us out numbered a few times. Our server believe it or not is mostly PvE. Personally I’m more PvE myself but I do like to enjoy all facets of this game. I don’t even know what servers we up against this week haven’t been or looked into WvW yet this week. Most of the WvWers from CD I heard has transfered to higher pop / league servers. As far as the other servers go I think they are doing LS stuff at the moment. I can’t speak for my server, I don’t even attend the weekly server WvW meetings they have. I’ve heard players from other servers saying since this is the off season they are intentionally losing week after week to lower their rank / tier / standing so when the tournament starts they can pick on some 1 or 2 kiddies and call themselves champs. I’m pretty sure you know all about that Swamurabi since you seem to follow DBs’ WvW activities so closely. WvW is a great place to farm pvp or pve wise, especially since it’s so under guarded. Last week about 5 of us PvD one of the hills Inner gate and noone came to stop us. Took us about 10 or so mins and no one came, not even an npc guard. So hey I’m not one to look a gift horse in the teeth.

Anyways I run zerk in PvE, it get a bit boring sometimes just 111 2222222 11111 22222 dodge 2222 dodge 2221111

I hop in WvW cause I can 67821344595873 dodge north south east west, talk some kitten etc….

I have no earthly idea what non-sense your spouting but your idea is bad for a myriad of reasons.

1) You’d sacrifice home
2) You actually sit in SMC a place that is legit not worth dumping resources into. 4 camps on any other BL is worth more than SMC
3) A waypointed SMC just leads to your side getting 2v1’d. Its good for bag farming, bad for map politics.

Either way have fun with your silly idea. It wont get added.

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Posted by: Offair.2563

Offair.2563

First off SMC, second off hmm…. It is revolutionary but i doubt its going to help tbh.

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