Guild Wars 2

Hi, I will rapidly prove how ArenaNet is completely disconnected from the reality of WvW that is easily observable through the Ratings Reset decision. This is important, because it is an issue that translates into a greater issue: the fact that ArenaNet is making wide-range WvW decisions based on volatile and subjective information. First off, what is this decision?

“…in light of the increased population stability that comes with paid transfers, we feel that this would be a good time to reset the ratings of all the servers. A reset at this point will allow the rating & ranking system to more quickly and correctly….” -ArenaNet

So all ratings will be reset, and new ratings will be calculated “normally in the way you’re already familiar with” – ArenaNet

They’ve also stated “We expect several weeks of volatility while the ratings settle down” -ArenaNet.

Let me run this down for you. The goal is to create more even matchups, at the price of several weeks of completely unbalanced matchups. The first question is.. are the matchups even? Let’s look at the NA boards for this week. Sources: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Tier 1 —> Sanctum of Rall/SoS/Jade Quarry --> VERY even, with JQ falling just very slightly behind in points. Overall very good fights.

Tier 2 —> BlackGate/TC/FA --> VERY even between TC/FA, with BlackGate having a lead over the other two. Overall very good fights.

Tier 3 —> Kaineng/Maguuma/Dragonbrand --> VERY even between Maguuma and Dragonbrand, Kaineng stronger than the other two during oceanic hours (so NA time fights are absolutely superb). Kaineng would be normally projected to go to T2 next week, where they would’ve found their proper tier.

Tier 4—> SBI/CD/YB —> Even between YB/CD, but SBI projected to drop another tier (normally), finding its proper tier and switching with Ehmry Bay.

Tier 5—> EB/IoJ/Devona’s —> Even between IoJ and Devona’s, EB projected to switch places with SBI, evening out bother Tier 4 and 5 matchups.

..etc.

The point is.. all current matchups are a GOOD fight right now, and no matchups observe a +560 for one server, and only +25 for the other servers. All servers have a fighting chance and are NOT being wiped off the map at this point, as will it be the case if the ratings reset. Why is this? Because the system worked, and the matchups did balance out, despite the transfers. This is the whole point of the system. Resetting the points is an absurd decision. Why are we to endure weeks of turmoil while the fights are balanced RIGHT NOW?

ArenaNet’s decision is irrational with its goal: resetting the ratings will create at least three weeks of turmoil, with servers getting crushed and morale broken, while other servers sit in boredom while they have to wait for ratings to be brought to its rightful state.. probably very very close to what we have RIGHT NOW.

Reset ratings —> a month or more before it’s perfectly balanced, lots of +560s and server morales broken or total boredom through domination

Don’t reset ratings —> matchups will be balanced within two weeks, and all tiers enjoy a good fight. Not a SINGLE +560, and all servers feel like they can at least do something in this matchup.

WvW matchups are perfect as it is, as is proven by.. well.. ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME, and making decisions considering actual facts easily observable through simply looking at the WvW scores. Please, spend some time correcting other issues.

See this is the thing. I don’t think it has anything to do with getting matchups correct. It makes no sense, because matchups are as close to correct as they can get right now. I think it has to do with making money off paid transfers.

crewthief.8649:

See this is the thing. I don’t think it has anything to do with getting matchups correct. It makes no sense, because Matchups are as close to correct as they can get right now. I think it has to do with making money off paid transfers.

From a business point of view, it is also irrational. Start with the simple premise that better game —> more business. Of course it’s not always true, but I have enough respect for ArenaNet and its fans to say that it is in this case.

More-so that an actual better game experience, there’s the fact that.. unless you plan on transferring every week, the best choice would be endure the weeks of unbalanced matchup and wait it out, because matchups will be volatile. And let’s face it… they don’t make much money off the transfers…

Have faith in ArenaNet; I don’t think it’s an evil company, they’ve just made a bad decision regarding this issue. But it’s important to emphasize, since future updates CANNOT be planned with the same disconnection as this one.

Plus 1 (million).

OP basically just listed the opinion of my guild’s consensus, as well as most of the people I have spoken with on the topic. This analysis makes entirely too much sense to be ignored, Anet moderators please pay close attention to this, respond, and if at all possible give us insight on to why you would implement this now, AFTER the volatility caused by the end of free transfers has settled down and is nearly complete. The past 3 days in T2 are some of the most balanced fights I have seen in months, and based on the information you have given us from behind the Anet Iron Curtain of Secrecy, at the end of this weeks match is going to pitch the WvW community back into a cauldron of discontent.

Please consider.

Anet are trying to solve a problem that doesn’t really exist. Without resetting the ratings, all servers will be where they should be within a month. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that the reset + new math will put servers where they should be in the same number of weeks, then we still face the problem of having unbalanced matches in every tier until then.

Unfortunately, Anet are probably patting themselves on the back over this. If two people like it and eight people hate it, all Anet will think is, “People liked our decision!”

Convenant.7092:

crewthief.8649:

See this is the thing. I don’t think it has anything to do with getting matchups correct. It makes no sense, because Matchups are as close to correct as they can get right now. I think it has to do with making money off paid transfers.

From a business point of view, it is also irrational. Start with the simple premise that better game —> more business. Of course it’s not always true, but I have enough respect for ArenaNet and its fans to say that it is in this case.

More-so that an actual better game experience, there’s the fact that.. unless you plan on transferring every week, the best choice would be endure the weeks of unbalanced matchup and wait it out, because matchups will be volatile. And let’s face it… they don’t make much money off the transfers…

Have faith in ArenaNet; I don’t think it’s an evil company, they’ve just made a bad decision regarding this issue. But it’s important to emphasize, since future updates CANNOT be planned with the same disconnection as this one.

Well, I don’t think they’re an ‘evil company’, I just think they’re completely out of touch with their WvW community. My faith in Anet is wavering after months and months of culling issues and no new content in WvW.

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Your premise is not correct. Or at least not in their model. Balanced match does not equal a better game – game goes stale when you keep fighting at the same level and you get bored out of it.

They want the WvW population to be equally distributed between servers. They want a newcomer to feel just as good as the old timer. It’s a game for PvXers that casually log into WvW and they actively try to discourage the creation of “elite” WvW.

PvE was build the same way – anyone can join any PvE DE and get the full rewards without having to even ask.

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Yes, but it will take weeks for matches to stabilize. In the meantime, you’ll have servers like JQ pitted against servers like Eredon Terrace. This seems reasonable to you? The matches are closer now than they will be next week…which completely flies in the face of why they say they’re doing it. I am certain there was a better way to do this.

The reset only makes legitimate sense if they are looking to some how restructure the scoring system or WvW itself. Of course thats assuming that the scoring would rate servers differently and/or WvW mechanics were refined in such a way that the old scoring system would skew the new mechanics.

Even as I type this I realise that’s not what’s happening, more hope rather, but I really didn’t want to delete my paragraph. I apologies to everyone.

I’m really annoyed with this ratings reset.

It’ll take longer for servers to stabilize with new rankings than it would have taken to just let the misplaced servers settle with the old ratings.

If there is not a very significant change in the math behind the ratings (I read that the math is changing, but not details on how that will be), then next week is going to be a disaster for just about every tier, and weeks afterwards.

Why they would ever reset ratings without going back to 24 hour matches for a week or two is a complete kittening mystery. They had 24 hour matches to avoid these kind of matches at game launch, but Anet seems to lack the common sense to do it now.

EnRohbi.2187:

I’m really annoyed with this ratings reset.

It’ll take longer for servers to stabilize with new rankings than it would have taken to just let the misplaced servers settle with the old ratings.

If there is not a very significant change in the math behind the ratings (I read that the math is changing, but not details on how that will be), then next week is going to be a disaster for just about every tier, and weeks afterwards.

Why they would ever reset ratings without going back to 24 hour matches for a week or two is a complete kittening mystery. They had 24 hour matches to avoid these kind of matches at game launch, but Anet seems to lack the common sense to do it now.

OR…WvW is low on their list of priorities. That’s the one I tend toward after the past six or so months of this kind of nonsense.

I think a ratings reset is a good thing, even if it results in a couple weeks of blowouts until the ladder reaches relative equilibrium again. But I think ANet has failed to mention one of the key factors in why they’re picking this time for the WvW reset.

At some point in February we’re getting the much anticipated “WvW”-incentivation Patch. If it works out well, it will be drawing a bigger chunk of PVE players/guilds into WvW. And I’m sure many of the dedicated WvW guilds who have recently experienced a sense of burnout and lack of interest in WvW(my own included) will return to WvW in greater numbers.

The demographic shift is going to be fairly large and will skew WvW results. Certain servers with high numbers of PVE players/guilds are going to be stronger in WvW.

The ratings reset goes hand-in-hand with the upcoming WvW patch, they’re linked. And while it is possible that ANet is a week or two early on the reset, it is still a good thing that needed to happen.

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Do you even play WvW? If you’d actually play, you’d know that the goal is to have a fight, to be able to achieve something, to put up a fight. Those tiers give the servers the ability to put up a fight. It’s a FUN tier. Most WvWers agree. You probably just look at the points without even going in-game to play.

earendil.1290:

Your premise is not correct. Or at least not in their model. Balanced match does not equal a better game – game goes stale when you keep fighting at the same level and you get bored out of it.

They want the WvW population to be equally distributed between servers. They want a newcomer to feel just as good as the old timer. It’s a game for PvXers that casually log into WvW and they actively try to discourage the creation of “elite” WvW.

PvE was build the same way – anyone can join any PvE DE and get the full rewards without having to even ask.

What is your point? The things you say have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. You state that you want the WvW population to be equally distributed (which is most probably false, it’s near impossible to have equal servers all around and ArenaNet knows that; that’s the whole reason for a ranking system rather than a random every week).

The ratings reset have nothin to do with the creation of an “elite” for WvW. Balanced match does not equal funner game? Do you.. even.. play WvW?…

“At the end of this matchup, all ratings will be reseted (set to 1,500). ANet has not yet announced the math so the site will use the old formula and the ‘next matchup table’ may be innacurate.”

Thats from the top of the Millenium site.

Learn to read ppls. For all we know not much is going to change.

rmBossa.4621:

“At the end of this matchup, all ratings will be reseted (set to 1,500). ANet has not yet announced the math so the site will use the old formula and the ‘next matchup table’ may be innacurate.”

Thats from the top of the Millenium site.

Learn to read ppls. For all we know not much is going to change.

I think many of have read this (I read it before this thread, at least).
But as that exact quote of yours said, Anet has not announced the new math.

They may have only tweaked a couple small things.

Additionally, they could have changed it so servers are MORE volatile in the long term to prevent stagnant matches, and if they’ve gone that direction the next few weeks are going to be even worse than what mos predicts.

crewthief.8649:

OR…WvW is low on their list of priorities. That’s the one I tend toward after the past six or so months of this kind of nonsense.

It’s what makes sense to me. Looking at WvW relative to the rest of the game:

Dungeons: FotM, Ascended gear
PvE: Mad King, Lost Shores, Wintersday etc
sPvP: New maps, regular updates
WvW: Orbs (removed), Break Out events

Convenant.7092:

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Do you even play WvW? If you’d actually play, you’d know that the goal is to have a fight, to be able to achieve something, to put up a fight. Those tiers give the servers the ability to put up a fight. It’s a FUN tier. Most WvWers agree. You probably just look at the points without even going in-game to play.

So… Let me get this straight… You think that 3 out of 8 tiers getting completely destroyed to the point that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together is a “good fight”, and that 2 of the remaining 5 tiers getting beaten to the point of being very close to the aforementioned 3 tiers is also a “good fight”? I’m confused now…

Also, I really shouldn’t bother to list the logical fallacies in this post, but I will:

• argumentum ad hominem
• argumentum ad populum
• argumentum ad ignorantiam
• reification

Problem with reset is that they did it when they also introduced either Que bugs or they reduced the number of people that can get in a BG. So while server A has 3x people in a BG as server B. Server B is still getting a Que to enter thus screwing the score.

EnRohbi.2187:

rmBossa.4621:

“At the end of this matchup, all ratings will be reseted (set to 1,500). ANet has not yet announced the math so the site will use the old formula and the ‘next matchup table’ may be innacurate.”

Thats from the top of the Millenium site.

Learn to read ppls. For all we know not much is going to change.

I think many of have read this (I read it before this thread, at least).
But as that exact quote of yours said, Anet has not announced the new math.

They may have only tweaked a couple small things.

Additionally, they could have changed it so servers are MORE volatile in the long term to prevent stagnant matches, and if they’ve gone that direction the next few weeks are going to be even worse than what mos predicts.

“may have”… “could have”

yes we do not know. But everyone is just assuming that it is the worst possible scenario. If anything we should be asking them to clarify how the new “maths” will help, but they don’t have to because their was never any reason to doubt them in the first place. Except for forum trolls trying to make everyone freak out.

Their were several imbalanced tiers. Lots of whining about blowouts and “this isn’t fun” posts. Anet listened and is doing something about it.

Whether their action is right or wrong and whether it’s effective, we will have to wait and see. But I believe they are listening and appreciate the action on their part.

I don’t believe will have the huge migrations anymore due to paid moves which is a big plus for stability.

GottFaust.5297:

Convenant.7092:

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Do you even play WvW? If you’d actually play, you’d know that the goal is to have a fight, to be able to achieve something, to put up a fight. Those tiers give the servers the ability to put up a fight. It’s a FUN tier. Most WvWers agree. You probably just look at the points without even going in-game to play.

So… Let me get this straight… You think that 3 out of 8 tiers getting completely destroyed to the point that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together is a “good fight”, and that 2 of the remaining 5 tiers getting beaten to the point of being very close to the aforementioned 3 tiers is also a “good fight”? I’m confused now…

Also, I really shouldn’t bother to list the logical fallacies in this post, but I will:

• argumentum ad hominem
• argumentum ad populum
• argumentum ad ignorantiam
• reification

This here is that sure this weeks sucks, but take DB/Mag/Kain match up for instance. Kain due to getting a very large number of transfers a few weeks back has shoot up the ranks. Ok fine we fight them this week and then next week go back to a more even match up. But nope because Due to score reset and fact Kain has population of T1 server DB is going to get pushed down to T7 and Tier that our population will utterly wipe floor with as it stands now. So basically next week is screwed cause DB will be dominating T7 and then following week will probably jump to T2 or 3 because of makign so many points in Tier 7. And repeat for 4 or more weeks till it evens out.

I for one am sick of waiting months to get good matches.

rmBossa.4621:

EnRohbi.2187:

rmBossa.4621:

“At the end of this matchup, all ratings will be reseted (set to 1,500). ANet has not yet announced the math so the site will use the old formula and the ‘next matchup table’ may be innacurate.”

Thats from the top of the Millenium site.

Learn to read ppls. For all we know not much is going to change.

I think many of have read this (I read it before this thread, at least).
But as that exact quote of yours said, Anet has not announced the new math.

They may have only tweaked a couple small things.

Additionally, they could have changed it so servers are MORE volatile in the long term to prevent stagnant matches, and if they’ve gone that direction the next few weeks are going to be even worse than what mos predicts.

“may have”… “could have”

yes we do not know. But everyone is just assuming that it is the worst possible scenario. If anything we should be asking them to clarify how the new “maths” will help, but they don’t have to because their was never any reason to doubt them in the first place. Except for forum trolls trying to make everyone freak out.

Really? Where have you been the past 6 months? Why would we have any reason to have positive expectations with this? Where on their list of priorities has WvW been? Blind optimism isn’t any better than blind pessimism to be honest.

GottFaust.5297:

Convenant.7092:

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

Do you even play WvW? If you’d actually play, you’d know that the goal is to have a fight, to be able to achieve something, to put up a fight. Those tiers give the servers the ability to put up a fight. It’s a FUN tier. Most WvWers agree. You probably just look at the points without even going in-game to play.

So… Let me get this straight… You think that 3 out of 8 tiers getting completely destroyed to the point that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together is a “good fight”, and that 2 of the remaining 5 tiers getting beaten to the point of being very close to the aforementioned 3 tiers is also a “good fight”? I’m confused now…

Also, I really shouldn’t bother to list the logical fallacies in this post, but I will:

• argumentum ad hominem
• argumentum ad populum
• argumentum ad ignorantiam
• reification

Your lack of rationality is almost disturbing. First things first.

HOW is ratings reset going to help that?

Those tiers are NOT getting destroyed. TC and FA regularly say that they enjoy the challenge and that they are having FUN… please, either get yourself checked, or leave this thread alone as your arguments do not serve the purpose of the discussion.

If you agree that ratings reset = better matchups.. then you are not very enlightened at the core and the only reason I’m typing this is so that others don’t get misled by your total failure in regards of common sense.

I totally agree with the OP. This ratings reset seems completely unnecessary. Kaineng just got to a competitive tier after steamrolling T7-T4. Not much fun. T3 is much more fun and the steamrolling has stopped. Now, if the Millenium projections hold up and we are playing SF and Ebay next week, it’s right back to steamrolling. Not fun at all for those servers and not fun for us.

The alternative projection, depending on final points, seems to have us potentially in T2 against BG and DH. We’ll probably lose to BG, but not be steamrolled by them, and DH will be squashed by both of us. If I were on DH I think I’d chose to do something else that week.

Once this all settles out in a couple of weeks what will be gained? WE’ll most likely be right back to where we are now. So what’s the point? Seems like a kid shaking up the ant farm to see what happens. The ants get mad and then rebuild the same thing…

ghtchill.7613:

I totally agree with the OP. This ratings reset seems completely unnecessary. Kaineng just got to a competitive tier after steamrolling T7-T4. Not much fun. T3 is much more fun and the steamrolling has stopped. Now, if the Millenium projections hold up and we are playing SF and Ebay next week, it’s right back to steamrolling. Not fun at all for those servers and not fun for us.

The alternative projection, depending on final points, seems to have us potentially in T2 against BG and DH. We’ll probably lose to BG, but not be steamrolled by them, and DH will be squashed by both of us. If I were on DH I think I’d chose to do something else that week.

Once this all settles out in a couple of weeks what will be gained? WE’ll most likely be right back to where we are now. So what’s the point? Seems like a kid shaking up the ant farm to see what happens. The ants get mad and then rebuild the same thing…

Kaineng agrees that this is the most fun they’ve had in weeks. That’s T3, mind you. I’m in T3 and it’s so.. much.. fun.. I’m sure 99% of the population would like to keep it like this for at least another week. Despite people’s claims that we’re getting “destroyed”, which we’re not.

Given all the guilds transferring all over last week, I’m surprised at how competitive most of the tiers are.

However, after the reset, looking at next week’s projected matchups (I realize they may not be accurate) – I see a lot more blowouts next week than this week.

Thanks for writing this up so I didn’t have to. Everything you say is spot on. Anet is really dropping the ball with this reset and will have a lot of bored and angry WvWers on their hands.

Dockin.1745:

Their were several imbalanced tiers. Lots of whining about blowouts and “this isn’t fun” posts. Anet listened and is doing something about it.

Whether their action is right or wrong and whether it’s effective, we will have to wait and see. But I believe they are listening and appreciate the action on their part.

I don’t believe will have the huge migrations anymore due to paid moves which is a big plus for stability.

Again, your opinion reflects that of one who doesn’t really play WvW and doesn’t spend a lot of time analyzing it.

There are no more blowouts in the current matchup.

If there’s no migration, then what’s the reasoning with this reset?

Convenant.7092:

Hi, I will rapidly prove how ArenaNet is completely disconnected from the reality of WvW that is easily observable through the Ratings Reset decision. This is important, because it is an issue that translates into a greater issue: the fact that ArenaNet is making wide-range WvW decisions based on volatile and subjective information. First off, what is this decision?

“…in light of the increased population stability that comes with paid transfers, we feel that this would be a good time to reset the ratings of all the servers. A reset at this point will allow the rating & ranking system to more quickly and correctly….” -ArenaNet

So all ratings will be reset, and new ratings will be calculated “normally in the way you’re already familiar with” – ArenaNet

They’ve also stated “We expect several weeks of volatility while the ratings settle down” -ArenaNet.

Let me run this down for you. The goal is to create more even matchups, at the price of several weeks of completely unbalanced matchups. The first question is.. are the matchups even? Let’s look at the NA boards for this week. Sources: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Tier 1 —> Sanctum of Rall/SoS/Jade Quarry --> VERY even, with JQ falling just very slightly behind in points. Overall very good fights.

Tier 2 —> BlackGate/TC/FA --> VERY even between TC/FA, with BlackGate having a lead over the other two. Overall very good fights.

Tier 3 —> Kaineng/Maguuma/Dragonbrand --> VERY even between Maguuma and Dragonbrand, Kaineng stronger than the other two during oceanic hours (so NA time fights are absolutely superb). Kaineng would be normally projected to go to T2 next week, where they would’ve found their proper tier.

Tier 4—> SBI/CD/YB —> Even between YB/CD, but SBI projected to drop another tier (normally), finding its proper tier and switching with Ehmry Bay.

Tier 5—> EB/IoJ/Devona’s —> Even between IoJ and Devona’s, EB projected to switch places with SBI, evening out bother Tier 4 and 5 matchups.

..etc.

The point is.. all current matchups are a GOOD fight right now, and no matchups observe a +560 for one server, and only +25 for the other servers. All servers have a fighting chance and are NOT being wiped off the map at this point, as will it be the case if the ratings reset. Why is this? Because the system worked, and the matchups did balance out, despite the transfers. This is the whole point of the system. Resetting the points is an absurd decision. Why are we to endure weeks of turmoil while the fights are balanced RIGHT NOW?

ArenaNet’s decision is irrational with its goal: resetting the ratings will create at least three weeks of turmoil, with servers getting crushed and morale broken, while other servers sit in boredom while they have to wait for ratings to be brought to its rightful state.. probably very very close to what we have RIGHT NOW.

Reset ratings —> a month or more before it’s perfectly balanced, lots of +560s and server morales broken or total boredom through domination

Don’t reset ratings —> matchups will be balanced within two weeks, and all tiers enjoy a good fight. Not a SINGLE +560, and all servers feel like they can at least do something in this matchup.

WvW matchups are perfect as it is, as is proven by.. well.. ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME, and making decisions considering actual facts easily observable through simply looking at the WvW scores. Please, spend some time correcting other issues.

I completely agree with this.

We did need help weeks ago when the matchups were horrible but that couldn’t happen because of free transfers. At the current state, ‘help’ from Anet is the worst possible thing atm since everything is almost as even as it can be.

TL;DR We needed paid transfers and a reset weeks ago, not now; not anymore.

Dockin.1745:

Their were several imbalanced tiers. Lots of whining about blowouts and “this isn’t fun” posts. Anet listened and is doing something about it.

Whether their action is right or wrong and whether it’s effective, we will have to wait and see. But I believe they are listening and appreciate the action on their part.

I don’t believe will have the huge migrations anymore due to paid moves which is a big plus for stability.

The problem isn’t that Anet is listening. The problem is their response time. They needed to be using insider knowledge to govern instead of reacting to player’s reactions.

What was drastically needed weeks ago in such a changing environment could potentially be the worst action in this week’s environment.

Look at the matchups right now. There are only a few servers that are a single tier away from their “sweet spot” with everyone else belonging where they are. A reset at this point is only going to prolong the misery from weeks past, not shorten it.

+1 to this as well, while we do not know the ‘math’ yet for the next weeks matches, I think its is foolhardy to assume it will not be a similar result, since the math changes were announced to solve issues like when HOD and ET lost all their populations… great change considering that will not happen anymore because there are no free transfers…

This entire reset seems to be a month behind reality, its like they made the decision a month or two ago and are not just releasing it, regardless of the current game situation.

I am tired of blowouts and boring matches, now that we are closed to something balanced they are intentionally screwing it up… why?

There is no disconnection. With all the transfers & last minute transfers many tiers
are totally lopsided ( 3 tiers where the leading server has more points than the other 2 combined ). Does the reset make the next few weeks more volatile yes but servers are going to find there right spot more quickly because the history got wiped. Many servers are stuck in a tier where they don’t belong because of the history in the rating system. Is it unfortunate for some ? Yes. But it’s good for most.

Toggles.1783:

The problem isn’t that Anet is listening. The problem is their response time. They needed to be using insider knowledge to govern instead of reacting to player’s reactions.

What was drastically needed weeks ago in such a changing environment could potentially be the worst action in this week’s environment.

Yep this has been my contention all along. The action they’re taking this week should have been taken a month ago. The issues of a month ago about unbalanced matchups have improved and next week if all was normal they would just about be fully resolved.

Cosmic.6047:

There is no disconnection. With all the transfers & last minute transfers many tiers
are totally loop sided ( 3 tiers where the leading server has more points than the other 2 combined ).

These matchups this week are nothing on the unbalanced matchups of a month ago and would be sorted out in another week.

Convenant.7092:

Hi, I will rapidly prove how ArenaNet is completely disconnected from the reality of WvW that is easily observable through the Ratings Reset decision. This is important, because it is an issue that translates into a greater issue: the fact that ArenaNet is making wide-range WvW decisions based on volatile and subjective information. First off, what is this decision?

— SNIP

An excellent well-reasoned and thought-out post. The stated reason for resetting the ratings was because of the huge transfers that occured before free transfers were stopped. However, the issues caused by this (bandwagon servers like Kaineng) have almost resolved themselves by now. We are maybe a week or two away from things being settled again.

However, if they reset all ratings it will be at least a month until things are settled again (depending on how they adjust the rating models). There are going to be some ridiculously lopsided battles at the top, the bottom, and the middle for weeks to come.

Cosmic.6047:

There is no disconnection. With all the transfers & last minute transfers many tiers
are totally loop sided ( 3 tiers where the leading server has more points than the other 2 combined ). Does the reset make the next few weeks more volatile yes but servers are going to find there right spot more quickly because the history got wiped. Many servers are stuck in a tier where they don’t belong because of the history in the rating system. Is it unfortunate for some ? Yes. But it’s good for most.

You are also disconnected.

GottFaust.5297:

I’d like to bring your attention to a quick couple of points:
* Tiers 3, 5, and 8 are currently so lopsided in total points that the winning server has more points that both the other servers put together.
* Tiers 2 and 7 are being soundly trashed by their current leader to the point of no hope for a change-up any time soon.

Current potential points aside 5 out of 8 of the current tiers are NOT good match-ups. If the points reset expedites a solution to these issues. I’m all for it.

What’s happening in the EB/IoJ/DR matchup is really not as it seems. There is a wide spread in scores but the fights during primetime have been enjoyable and even. The disparity in score is being caused by coverage disparities.

The problem with the reset is that you are going to have matchups where some servers are being crushed 24-7. Much moreso than what is happening now.

Some people don’t seem to understand the difference between a server being crushed 24-7 and a server losing due to coverage. One of these things can still be fun, the other can’t.

My initial thought when I heard the announcement was to agree with the OP. As I’ve thought about it more though, I would be happy to see other servers. Yeah, the matchups will not always be balanced for a while, but it is better than seeing the same servers every week.

I agree 100%. However, my perception is that anet must be trolling. Ehmry Bay (my server) will be in t1 and we are going to get roflstomped down for the next 5-7 weeks while the original t1-t3 servers move back up. Thanks Anet.

I think the idea is that all the servers have accumulated way too much baggage from release to present, and now almost every single server is totally different in makeup and player base than when the game launched, due to all the mass exodus’s and bandwagoning.

Now with paid transfers enforced they expect servers to much more retain their same core base than they used to, and they want the ratings to begin to more fairly represent what each server is able to earn, once it settles down after a couple weeks.

System is working as intended, matches are mostly all even and those that arent will be rectified next week.

Staring to agree with the op. next week mathup is against zerguuma? Igu. We just went through that crap

cesmode.4257:

Staring to agree with the op. next week mathup is against zerguuma? Igu. We just went through that crap

The fact that you’re complaining about Maguuma (who is currently being rolled by kaineng and in fact had 0 points in the early NA morning) being “zergy” just shows how imbalanced the servers are. There is a huge disparity between the tiers, and this reset is going to ruin WvW for weeks.

Avenge.1478:

System is working as intended, matches are mostly all even and those that arent will be rectified next week.

Please come back next week and say something stupid again.

rmBossa.4621:

“At the end of this matchup, all ratings will be reseted (set to 1,500). ANet has not yet announced the math so the site will use the old formula and the ‘next matchup table’ may be innacurate.”

Thats from the top of the Millenium site.

Learn to read ppls. For all we know not much is going to change.

Have you even read their post announcing the change? They mentioned SLIGHT changes to math, with most to remain identical. Millenium stands correct.

Ratings reset will be counter-productive and result in more people leaving. It might sound reasonable until you look at the data, at which point it becomes clear just how bad an idea this is.

Unnecessarily subjecting the WvWvW population to 4 or more weeks of ridiculous matchups is a very high price to pay … and for what exactly? A new formula maybe? Short of coming out and saying, “we’re definitely changing the formula, and we absolutely have to reset the ratings as a result”, there seems to be little basis for resetting the ratings.

This is a terrible idea ArenaNet. Please abandon it.

They mentioned other things as to why reset, like tier 8 having a massive disadvantage to jump out of it’s tier due to total points being so low AND they are modifying the points score.

A couple of weeks of boredom to give everyone an equal chance of finding their natural home is fine by me.

it looks like at the time they mad this decision to do this the tiers were more unstable and i agree the more i look at the projected ratings the more im thinking that its going to take even longer to stablize out that it originally would have