Guild Wars 2

Best Update SO FAR!! THANK YOU!!

Yes!!!

Now I have to go to LA if I want to craft something or access my bank after AM have PPT’d our server to paper. Tangfastic ANet you just keep making WvW more and more enticing as opposed to saying eff yew and moving on.

Sorry to see them go, it was a really nice convenience to pop in there, craft whatever, then back out. Having to WP to town and back isn’t nearly as smooth.

Another QoL gone from the game.

What? There were crafting stations in WvW? I guess I didn’t notice those…too busy roaming and defending and all…

Anet, you are my heroes for this. Thank you.

Apharma, you can access your bank through the guild bank vendor.

At the same time, I wonder if doing this was causing any problems, like inflating the active WvW population numbers or causing longer wait times in some situations. I can’t imagine them removing these for no reason at all.

It might be nice to get a note explaining the reasoning behind the change, but I can’t say I was totally surprised by it.

Yeah, I just read that in the patch notes. This just kittens me off.
I don’t get their logic in that. Might as well remove the tp and guild npcs as well. If we can’t use the wvw for crafting, then they should also have to go to the main cities to be able to use the TP and guild bank/vendors.

Yeah, I will miss them as well. Was the main reason I went to WvW.

Crafting stations were not really useful but having 0 access to your bank is annoying now. Remove all vendors selling PvE armor but add at least ONE bank merchant, it’s not hard to do…

Your bank vendors can be accessed through a fully uprgaded keep or the guild register if you are smart to figure it out.

Although I will greatly miss the convenience of crafting in WvW (LA load times are to long) the TP is necessary for WvW to buy supplies. The will need a bank however to grant permanent access to it as the bank vendor is not always upgraded in the keeps.

So, you don’t want WvW players to stay in The Mists? Or you don’t want PvE players to go to The Mists? Or you just like seeing queues? “I need to go craft my once-a-day ascended mats… Oh, nope, I’ll have to requeue…” . . . I’m very confused by this change. And leaving the little banners above the stations seems like such a tease…

They needed to go…. there are alot of places in tyria with those.

Kekkei Genkai Kage.5930:

Your bank vendors can be accessed through a fully uprgaded keep or the guild register if you are smart to figure it out.

No, you can only access your guild bank at the guild register, not your personal bank.

Yaaay now I get to lose all my stacks if ever I need to get to a bank without having the T3 a Keep. Thanks ANet. Swell job.

Sadrel.5623:

Kekkei Genkai Kage.5930:

Your bank vendors can be accessed through a fully uprgaded keep or the guild register if you are smart to figure it out.

No, you can only access your guild bank at the guild register, not your personal bank.

Unless they changed it with the patch, there’s a drop down at the top of the guild bank screen. Change it, and you’ll see your personal bank in the left panel. You can then drag/drop to/from your inventory if you open it…

Yargesh.4965:

Yeah, I will miss them as well. Was the main reason I went to WvW.

Me too, the ability to pop up to WvW to do some crafting at the end of a night and log back in wherever I was before was great, I rarely saw anyone else there while I did it so I don’t think it was having that much of a negative impact on WvW. It made the Captains Airship Pass and Royal Terrace Pass kinda pointless, though.

Aeolus.3615:

They needed to go…. there are alot of places in tyria with those.

Needed to? Hardly.

Yargesh.4965:

Yeah, I will miss them as well. Was the main reason I went to WvW.

… This is why they removed them.

This would be good change, about 2-3 years ago, now I hardly see queues these days.
Most people I see, afk on EB.

Zohane.7208:

Sorry to see them go, it was a really nice convenience to pop in there, craft whatever, then back out. Having to WP to town and back isn’t nearly as smooth.

Another QoL gone from the game.

If ANet wanted, there are alternatives for the convenience of having crafting stations in one’s home borderland

• Adding them to Edge of the Mists — that allows WvWers to craft without losing their reward track accumulation.
• Adding them to guild halls as another tier of improvements — many continue to be surprised that only scribing is available in guild halls.
• Adding them to the PvP lobby — this, however, crowds the PvP lobby with non-PvPers.
• Offering gem shop|bl chest|perma contracts for crafting, similar to those for the TP, bank, etc. Of course ANet would get flak for this, but crafting-without-losing-your-parking-spot is a convenience, not some kormir-granted right.

Or the players could accept that we can’t eat craft our cake and have it remain in Orr, too.

Sarika.3756:

Sadrel.5623:

Kekkei Genkai Kage.5930:

Your bank vendors can be accessed through a fully uprgaded keep or the guild register if you are smart to figure it out.

No, you can only access your guild bank at the guild register, not your personal bank.

Unless they changed it with the patch, there’s a drop down at the top of the guild bank screen. Change it, and you’ll see your personal bank in the left panel. You can then drag/drop to/from your inventory if you open it…

I see now how to do it, still you have to drag each item whereas before you could just double click it for consumables or siege weapons. You shouldn’t spend more time sorting up your inventory than actually playing…

Boooooo…………..

They removed them because they need to sell more Terrace / Airship portals (crafter = bank). Once I told myself “I would only buy Terrace if they removed crafters from WvW” … Aaaaaand it just happened. XD

I understand they are removed for benefiting the population in those home-maps.

But on the other hand I would suggest to put them in heart of the mists instead.
Petition for Heart of the mists QoL updates? :p

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Or the players could accept that we can’t eat craft our cake and have it remain in Orr, too.

I wouldn’t eat any cake you left unattended in Orr, even if you only left it for a few seconds. That place is not hygienic.

Sadrel.5623:

Kekkei Genkai Kage.5930:

Your bank vendors can be accessed through a fully uprgaded keep or the guild register if you are smart to figure it out.

No, you can only access your guild bank at the guild register, not your personal bank.

You are wrong, you can go talk to the guild register look at the left side of on top of inventory slots, there is a tab that you can click and drag down to give you the option to “Inventory” or Account Vault" that is your way to access your BANK through the register.

So if I run out of food/sharpening stones/oils and wish to craft some more or I wish to access the materials in my personal bank I have to leave home border and re-queue.

If someone calls out in map chat that they need help defending something while I am crafting I won’t see it any more because I won’t be crafting on home border.

Why?

I have seen plenty of complaints in WvW, but the presence of crafting stations wasn’t one of them.

Im ok with them taking away crafting stations… but an actual bank npc in citadel would be nice to have at least..

We still got TP, heroics, badge and and laurel vendors though right? (i never used crafting there on home bl)

Nidome.1365:

So if I run out of food/sharpening stones/oils and wish to craft some more or I wish to access the materials in my personal bank I have to leave home border and re-queue.

If someone calls out in map chat that they need help defending something while I am crafting I won’t see it any more because I won’t be crafting on home border.

Why?

I have seen plenty of complaints in WvW, but the presence of crafting stations wasn’t one of them.

That is why there is a Provisioner add to WvW to buy food with badges.

Vova.2640:

Im ok with them taking away crafting stations… but an actual bank npc in citadel would be nice to have at least..

Yea the bank was useful for actual WvW’ers

Oh well, getting a permanent bank anyways….

… this is so stupid nobody cares about 1 or 2 more crafter at home map there is no queue at 90% of the day anyway
than add all crafting stations for free into our guildhall so we still can at least stay at a farming spot
having to port to lions arch for crafting porting back and moving all the way back to the farming spot is just a pain in the kitten

I think adding them to Guild Halls is the best solution. Quick load times and the same convenience without the risk of filling up a borderland with non WvW players.

skullmount.1758:

Yeah, I just read that in the patch notes. This just kittens me off.
I don’t get their logic in that. Might as well remove the tp and guild npcs as well. If we can’t use the wvw for crafting, then they should also have to go to the main cities to be able to use the TP and guild bank/vendors.

You don’t need to craft in WvW – save that for core tyria. However, you do need access to the BLTC and bank for accessing, trading, and using items in WvW (Such as superior siege blueprints, among other things)

Pifil.5193:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Or the players could accept that we can’t eat craft our cake and have it remain in Orr, too.

I wouldn’t eat any cake you left unattended in Orr, even if you only left it for a few seconds. That place is not hygienic.

If this really helps with queues fair enough, but FWIW I can’t remember seeing more than 3 people at WvW crafting and it’s usually just me when I’m there. But things like stacking sigils are borked if people have to go to LA.

And yeah, adding a normal bank NPC next to the trading post NPC would be nice.

edit: Perhaps it’s not about queues. Maybe they didn’t like people who logged off at the end of a jumping puzzle, went to WvW for banking crafting, and returned to the JP when they left WvW. Or something like that.

Kekkei Genkai Kage.5930:

Nidome.1365:

So if I run out of food/sharpening stones/oils and wish to craft some more or I wish to access the materials in my personal bank I have to leave home border and re-queue.

If someone calls out in map chat that they need help defending something while I am crafting I won’t see it any more because I won’t be crafting on home border.

Why?

I have seen plenty of complaints in WvW, but the presence of crafting stations wasn’t one of them.

That is why there is a Provisioner add to WvW to buy food with badges.

I can’t get Mussels Gnashblade, level 80 sharpening stones/oils or feast foods from the provisioner plus all my badges go into scribing WvW schematics.

Mea.5491:

They removed them because they need to sell more Terrace / Airship portals (crafter = bank). Once I told myself “I would only buy Terrace if they removed crafters from WvW” … Aaaaaand it just happened. XD

At that point, you might as well just still go to wvw/pvp and then to LA (or use the guild portal if your guild has it), you’re losing your space either way (and it would have saved you gems).

Aeolus.3615:

They needed to go…. there are alot of places in tyria with those.

There are TP npcs all over tyria too, they might as well remove that npc from the borderlands too.

Sartharina.3542:

skullmount.1758:

Yeah, I just read that in the patch notes. This just kittens me off.
I don’t get their logic in that. Might as well remove the tp and guild npcs as well. If we can’t use the wvw for crafting, then they should also have to go to the main cities to be able to use the TP and guild bank/vendors.

You don’t need to craft in WvW – save that for core tyria. However, you do need access to the BLTC and bank for accessing, trading, and using items in WvW (Such as superior siege blueprints, among other things)

Same logic goes for the BLTC, you don’t need the tp in the wvw maps, you can still go and use it in the cities/other maps. And if you claim you need it for siege, theres always the siege merchant right there at the starting point of the maps, and theres a mystic forge there too if you need the superior ones.

I don’t think it was necessary to remove the crafting stations from wvw as I often used them (especially the Chef station). I think they were perfectly fine where they were in the BLs. They weren’t in the way and were easily accessible if anyone needed anything.

Anet should have at least provided an alternate option for people who did use the crafting stations, rather than just leaving them in a lurch.

Nidome.1365:

So if I run out of food/sharpening stones/oils and wish to craft some more or I wish to access the materials in my personal bank I have to leave home border and re-queue.

If someone calls out in map chat that they need help defending something while I am crafting I won’t see it any more because I won’t be crafting on home border.

Why?

I have seen plenty of complaints in WvW, but the presence of crafting stations wasn’t one of them.

Kind of makes me chuckle. At best I’ve seen maybe 3 or 4 people actually crafting at any one time at Citadel.. and that’s VERY RARELY. But… I do see people standing around spawn at EB quite a bit, not crafting, just standing there doing, who knows what? Probably getting the reward tracks built up? Not sure really. I never used the stations in WvW but I never saw a problem with them. They definitely do NOT cause any sort of issue with queuing.

However, after being in an EB queue for 20 minutes then finally getting in and seeing 10+ people just standing around spawn is disheartening at best…

Elric Of Melnibone.4781:

I think adding them to Guild Halls is the best solution. Quick load times and the same convenience without the risk of filling up a borderland with non WvW players.

This. If they’re removed from wvw it’s a giant hassle. I haven’t been to a town in months, especially Lion’s Arch and it’s 5 minute load time vs. 10 seconds in wvw.

Or add them to Heart of the Mists. Or something. Crafting in town is such a giant loadfest. Waiting 5 minutes to craft a single thing is obnoxious.

So the Guild Registar lets me switch between bank and inventory, but how do you transfer from one to the other besides dragging it in the guild bank and then switching tabs to the other?

Perhaps, as a guild hall upgrade, they could add all of the crafting stations to the market or the side of it. At least then people would have easy access to crafting stations from anywhere in the PvE map without cluttering the WvW maps (if that’s what wvwers are really afraid of).

ArchonWing.9480:

So the Guild Registar lets me switch between bank and inventory, but how do you transfer from one to the other besides dragging it in the guild bank and then switching tabs to the other?

Open your inventory panel and drag from your bank panel. It’s more work than a normal bank, but it’s all we’ve had on non home bl’s for ages, so I guess I’m used to it.

Basically, put your normal inventory on one side of your monitor and the bank access area on the other…

skullmount.1758:

Same logic goes for the BLTC, you don’t need the tp in the wvw maps, you can still go and use it in the cities/other maps. And if you claim you need it for siege, theres always the siege merchant right there at the starting point of the maps, and theres a mystic forge there too if you need the superior ones.

What about consumables? You should not have to leave your place in the WvW queue to buy more food.

It wouldn’t be so bad, except towns in this game like Lion’s Arch take 5 flippin’ minutes to load. Wvw? 10 seconds.

I understand this will give them a better idea of population distribution, but it’s still a huge QoL loss unless they:

• Add crafting stations to Heart of the Mists (sPvP lobby)
• Add crafting stations to Guild Halls

Hesacon.8735:

Elric Of Melnibone.4781:

I think adding them to Guild Halls is the best solution. Quick load times and the same convenience without the risk of filling up a borderland with non WvW players.

This. If they’re removed from wvw it’s a giant hassle. I haven’t been to a town in months, especially Lion’s Arch and it’s 5 minute load time vs. 10 seconds in wvw.

Or add them to Heart of the Mists. Or something. Crafting in town is such a giant loadfest. Waiting 5 minutes to craft a single thing is obnoxious.

No, not “this.” Promoting people to congregate in towns (and even LA) is an obvious intention of this change just as much as stopping people going to WvW who aren’t participating in WvW.

Putting crafting stations in Guild Halls will largely kill the towns, and towns are where people should want to (and need to) congregate…. it promotes a healthier player base by encouraging players to socialize…. especially new players.

~EW

Elric Of Melnibone.4781:

skullmount.1758:

Same logic goes for the BLTC, you don’t need the tp in the wvw maps, you can still go and use it in the cities/other maps. And if you claim you need it for siege, theres always the siege merchant right there at the starting point of the maps, and theres a mystic forge there too if you need the superior ones.

What about consumables? You should not have to leave your place in the WvW queue to buy more food.

The provisioner thing from the wvw line. It may not be all the food, but its still lets you buy food/utility.

EphemeralWallaby.7643:

Hesacon.8735:

Elric Of Melnibone.4781:

I think adding them to Guild Halls is the best solution. Quick load times and the same convenience without the risk of filling up a borderland with non WvW players.

This. If they’re removed from wvw it’s a giant hassle. I haven’t been to a town in months, especially Lion’s Arch and it’s 5 minute load time vs. 10 seconds in wvw.

Or add them to Heart of the Mists. Or something. Crafting in town is such a giant loadfest. Waiting 5 minutes to craft a single thing is obnoxious.

No, not “this.” Promoting people to congregate in towns (and even LA) is an obvious intention of this change just as much as stopping people going to WvW who aren’t participating in WvW.

Putting crafting stations in Guild Halls will largely kill the towns, and towns are where people should want to (and need to) congregate…. it promotes a healthier player base by encouraging players to socialize…. especially new players.

~EW

That may be a side effect, but for me it won’t be. I’ll still ignore the chat in town. Get what I need done and gtfo back to actually doing something.
And I’m almost in the same boat as Hesacon with the LA load time. I would rather at least be able to load into the GH and craft than have to wait for one of the cities to load.

With this change I’m even more inclined to not even deal with WvW anymore. If it wasn’t for the exclusive armors I wouldn’t even do the little I do anymore.

Sarika.3756:

ArchonWing.9480:

So the Guild Registar lets me switch between bank and inventory, but how do you transfer from one to the other besides dragging it in the guild bank and then switching tabs to the other?

Open your inventory panel and drag from your bank panel. It’s more work than a normal bank, but it’s all we’ve had on non home bl’s for ages, so I guess I’m used to it.

Basically, put your normal inventory on one side of your monitor and the bank access area on the other…

Thanks. I can manage that.