Guild Wars 2

totally agree with this. Just give them EOTM

I agree as well, EOTM doesnt affect server wide and its nothing but farming. WvW effects the servers and how effective they are.

Completely agree. This change makes no sense. EOTM was a testing zone/WvW experiment zone to begin with. Let them get access here beforehand if they want to buy the game.

I have to agree here. EOTM is enough to give a sample of the basics, and there’s just too much room for abuse.

I do think this is one of the better ways to solve a potentially very large griefing problem we can see coming.

+1 to restrict free accounts to EOTM.

+1 to restrict free accounts to EOTM.

Instead of limiting what free accounts can do, maybe they should start fixing the issues in WvW which allows players to troll.

Put a cap on how much supply a single player can take from a objective so a single player can’t waste it all.

Put a debuff on players who die in a golem which prevent them from entering new ones.

Fix the bugs which has sit on their bug tracker for years which allow people to glitch into places. Put in safeguards to detect people who speed hacks, wall hacks, or some other form of hacks.

As someone who only plays wvw, I would never buy your game if my free sample was only EOTM. Eotm is boring and pointless. That being said, IF I was a business-minded dev, the only way to get people like me to pay, is with real wvw borderlands experience.

If you are able to limit chat functions to every 30 seconds, can you limit wvw for 30mins-1 hour a day?

Belorn.2659:

Instead of limiting what free accounts can do, maybe they should start fixing the issues in WvW which allows players to troll.

Put a cap on how much supply a single player can take from a objective so a single player can’t waste it all.

Put a debuff on players who die in a golem which prevent them from entering new ones.

Fix the bugs which has sit on their bug tracker for years which allow people to glitch into places. Put in safeguards to detect people who speed hacks, wall hacks, or some other form of hacks.

Would still do nothing against spies. The change to supplies would also hurt players who have no malicious intentions.

+1 to restrict free accounts to EOTM.

They can get the feeling of the epic battles but cannot troll the kitten out of the normal WvWvW maps.

Best part if you restrict them to EOTM only and they like WvW they will buy the game!

ArchonWing I hope you do everything within your power to make ANET restrict the free accounts to EOTM.

I trust you :P

I can only say this is a joke and big mistake to give access to regular wvw for free accounts.
Good luck with a such approach to wvw.
Limiting to EOTM is the only way to fix that and do that asasp.

I support this. Even with the lvl 60 req ( which you can obtain easily) it still leaves too much room for abuse in wvw. Restricting these accounts to EoTM ensures they will not be able to be used to que up servers without at least having to pay for it. As it is, there are many that have alts parked on enemy servers just to que the maps so that players on that server cannot get on map to defend the keeps, making this easier to do just makes that worse.

I say make it EotM only or low ranked worlds that have low over all wvw population. kitten wvw is kind of competitive i am not sure if free account players will fit into that group that well.

Luvpie.8350:

Hi Anet,

Please limit free accounts to EOTM. It is one of the easiest ways to control them trolling WvW. Otherwise you will need to restrict supply carry, commander tags, upgrades etc for them in WvW which will be more complicated. Restriction to EOTM only will entice them to purchase the game more if they like WvW and want to help their server ‘win’. Level to 60 before WvW is not a restriction at all for serious trollers.

Restrictions listed here : https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/95982157
Free accounts need to be limited to EOTM only.

+1 agreeing to this. Please don’t eanable access to normal wvw maps.

+1 to restrict free accounts to EOTM.

As someone who plays almost exclusively wvw. I am highly concerned by the potential disruptive behaviour that could happen. Also allowing wvw to be accessible even only from lvl 60 will allow for upleveled individuals to take up valued space in a map and effectively sabotage server operation, whether intended or unintentional.
Since EOTM gives new players a taste of wvw without affecting the end scores i think this is a better solution. Introducing players with free accounts to a wvw server community will mean that the community often puts in effort to integrate a person or result in negative or even rejection from the community, which means that the new player will not like wvw or the game.

DeceiverX.8361:

Completely agree. This change makes no sense. EOTM was a testing zone/WvW experiment zone to begin with. Let them get access here beforehand if they want to buy the game.

^ this ^

I agree with the OP. EotM is enough to discover WvW.

EOTM is not WvW!!!

If you are worried about spies, they’ve been in WvW since launch!
If you are worried about siege trolls, they’ve been in WvW since launch!

Yes this allows there to be more spies, but they still have to level to 60 to get access to WvW and even EOTM.

So if those people are willing to waste gold craft leveling so be it, the impact it will have on real WvW will be minimal, if even noticeable as there are already spies on your server!

Orochimaru.4730:

EOTM is not WvW!!!

If you are worried about spies, they’ve been in WvW since launch!
If you are worried about siege trolls, they’ve been in WvW since launch!

Yes this allows there to be more spies, but they still have to level to 60 to get access to WvW and even EOTM.

So if those people are willing to waste gold craft leveling so be it, the impact it will have on real WvW will be minimal, if even noticeable as there are already spies on your server!

Spies and siege trolls have been here since launch anyways so lets make it cheaper to troll, the impact will be minimal. That is what I got from your statement.

I love how they talk about their safeguards to protect the community but somehow thought letting free accounts to join WvW at any level would be a good idea.

Free accounts is good in theory. It’s a good way to get more people into the game. But as for WvW I think you need to make sure someone gets to at least level 60 before they can come in and start upgrades or throw siege. Limit the troll aspect of what alt accts for $10 bucks created. We’ve all seen that guy who builds siege next to the supply hut or steals golems and walks them off cliffs or roams. And we’ve all seen the mysterious merchant upgrade prematurely.

Limiting them to EoTM is tough but if they are truly into seeing how the mechanics of the game works they will love it. The movements of the characters and zerging is a great start. No one should start a new character in WvW.

Orochimaru.4730:

EOTM is not WvW!!!

If you are worried about spies, they’ve been in WvW since launch!
If you are worried about siege trolls, they’ve been in WvW since launch!

Yes this allows there to be more spies, but they still have to level to 60 to get access to WvW and even EOTM.

So if those people are willing to waste gold craft leveling so be it, the impact it will have on real WvW will be minimal, if even noticeable as there are already spies on your server!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#Perfect_solution_fallacy

Orochimaru.4730:

EOTM is not WvW!!!

If you are worried about spies, they’ve been in WvW since launch!
If you are worried about siege trolls, they’ve been in WvW since launch!

Yes this allows there to be more spies, but they still have to level to 60 to get access to WvW and even EOTM.

So if those people are willing to waste gold craft leveling so be it, the impact it will have on real WvW will be minimal, if even noticeable as there are already spies on your server!

There is a huge difference between a spy account which cost between 10 and 20 euros and a spy account which costs you nothing….

EDIT : mmmh that’s embarassing…ToK are indeed account bound xD

Can you send Tomes of knowledge?

Markus.9084:

Orochimaru.4730:

EOTM is not WvW!!!

If you are worried about spies, they’ve been in WvW since launch!
If you are worried about siege trolls, they’ve been in WvW since launch!

Yes this allows there to be more spies, but they still have to level to 60 to get access to WvW and even EOTM.

So if those people are willing to waste gold craft leveling so be it, the impact it will have on real WvW will be minimal, if even noticeable as there are already spies on your server!

There is a huge difference between a spy account which cost between 10 and 20 euros and a spy account which costs you nothing….

Most of the players in WvW have a lot of Tome of knowledge (from daily or PvP) and no reroll to spend them.
Step 1 : create a free account
Step 2 : choose the server you want to troll/spy
Step 3 : send 60 Tome of Knowledge from your main to your free account
Step 4 : click 60 times, go to WvW
Step 5 : enjoy the fun

Tome of knowledge is account bound.

Agree completely. They should be restricted to eotm.

I also agree to restrict them entirely to EOTM and only 60+.

Do free players going into wvw affect the server status? Would really suck to send a server to full based on free ‘alt’ accounts that go into wvw and do nothing to help, but are there to hinder…..

If you think it’s going to make it ‘easier’ for spies, I’ve got news for you. The spies – and I mean the really competitive ones, already buy multiple accounts, and have done so for years. The only difference here is T1 has apparently learned tactics to counter it that lower tiers haven’t. It goes far beyond tag watching on maps, mind you.

The servers where there’s already a greater level of competition are completely full anyway.

If they limit WvW – the main reason some people play this game – they’re going to go the way of SWTOR when they started limiting the # of PvP matches free accounts could play in a day.

dont let the free accounts spoil the current server status!!!

Wait a minute guys.. Most WvW players say EoTM is not wvw.. Now you want new players first experience of WvW is to be EoTM? Come on guys that is like telling them that EoTM is WvW and we all know it isn’t..

hehe

briggah.7910:

Wait a minute guys.. Most WvW players say EoTM is not wvw.. Now you want new players first experience of WvW is to be EoTM? Come on guys that is like telling them that EoTM is WvW and we all know it isn’t..

hehe

shh… the new people don’t know that! Anet doesn’t know any better either!

let it be, new players need to be exposed to wvw rather than the ktrain map

pepper.6179:

let it be, new players need to be exposed to wvw rather than the ktrain map

You must not spend a whole lot of time in WVW to NOT understand the point of why some of us are a bit meh about it.

Otherwise you’d be sort of concerned too.

Whoever wanted, already have troll or spy account on opposing servers. So I’m not really concerned about this right now.

On the other hand I can now have a new account to play wvw on my original T9 server with some friends who remained there when I moved last year.

+1, no more to say, we have enough spy and troll. And with population restriction we don’t want to see our server going full with people who can’t speak in map chat..

SkyShroud.2865:

dont let the free accounts spoil the current server status!!!

Wait i think it would help most worlds they would just get in the way of the say top 9? ranked worlds.

Free accounts are capped at level 15, what level do you need to get into WvW proper?

dancingmonkey.4902:

Free accounts are capped at level 15, what level do you need to get into WvW proper?

There is no level cap for free accounts. They can level till 80 like everyone else.

i love this …..more peoble in WvW….hopefully some of them will get hooked and continue playing WvW

+1
never underestimate human capacity to exploit:
free spy
free queue blocking (my worst fear)
free supply deletion
free commander tag spamming

Every problem listed here is either a bug, which in that case should be fixed, or it is a design fault, in which it should also be fixed by changing the design.

If a players enjoyment on WvW depend on large zergs sneaking around and being taking objective stealthy, then that that is bad game design since a spy account previously costed about the price of a pizza and now cost the time/gold of 60 levels.

No free Acc in WvW ! We don’t need them and block queues or whatever.
The whole WvW gamemode should only be for paid member, not free user.

+1

On the other hand the influx of new players might help lower tiers gain numbers and bring back variety. So I’m not sure if I’d +1 or -1 this.

EDIT: and I mean low bronze mainly.

Lillie.9106:

If you think it’s going to make it ‘easier’ for spies, I’ve got news for you. The spies – and I mean the really competitive ones, already buy multiple accounts, and have done so for years. The only difference here is T1 has apparently learned tactics to counter it that lower tiers haven’t. It goes far beyond tag watching on maps, mind you.

The servers where there’s already a greater level of competition are completely full anyway.

Yes this is what I think as well and I’m unconvinced that there would be a huge influx of trolls.

+1 stick em in eotm until they buy the game.

This is the first thread i have ever seen where wvw’ers are now saying EoTM is WvW, and will give new players the experience of wvw…

Amazing how peoples perceptions of certain areas can shift so suddenly when it suits them.