Guild Wars 2

mulzi.8273:

This is the first thread i have ever seen where wvw’ers are now saying EoTM is WvW, and will give new players the experience of wvw…

Amazing how peoples perceptions of certain areas can shift so suddenly when it suits them.

It’s not a change of perception. Anet thinks EotM is WvW. So it makes sense to provide them a rationalized reason as to why doing this makes sense and is a good idea for them, while really, we just want the freeloaders to not kitten up our WvW more than it already is.

msalakka.4653:

It’s not a change of perception. Anet thinks EotM is WvW. So it makes sense to provide them a rationalized reason as to why doing this makes sense and is a good idea for them, while really, we just want the freeloaders to not kitten up our WvW more than it already is.

Anet knows the difference. They even stated that EoTM will not be counted towards WvW population because it is not the same WvW experience.

Luvpie.8350:

atheria.2837:

Luvpie.8350:

Hi Anet,

Please limit free accounts to EOTM. It is one of the easiest ways to control them trolling WvW. Otherwise you will need to restrict supply carry, commander tags, upgrades etc for them in WvW which will be more complicated. Restriction to EOTM only will entice them to purchase the game more if they like WvW and want to help their server ‘win’. Level to 60 before WvW is not a restriction at all for serious trollers.

Restrictions listed here : https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/95982157
Free accounts need to be limited to EOTM only.

Has anyone at Anet really given any thought to WvW?

Spies are not idiots.

Spies should not be given a free pass…

Well anet did say WvW was a priority after launch… let’s see if they lied.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Who-plays-WvW-only/first

DarkSyze.8627:

Luvpie.8350:

atheria.2837:

Luvpie.8350:

Hi Anet,

Please limit free accounts to EOTM. It is one of the easiest ways to control them trolling WvW. Otherwise you will need to restrict supply carry, commander tags, upgrades etc for them in WvW which will be more complicated. Restriction to EOTM only will entice them to purchase the game more if they like WvW and want to help their server ‘win’. Level to 60 before WvW is not a restriction at all for serious trollers.

Restrictions listed here : https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/95982157
Free accounts need to be limited to EOTM only.

Has anyone at Anet really given any thought to WvW?

Spies are not idiots.

Spies should not be given a free pass…

Well anet did say WvW was a priority after launch… let’s see if they lied.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Who-plays-WvW-only/first

Not this again.. Do I have to check your post history too to show you that you also have played other game modes?

i saw speed hack first time in wvw today is that coincidence ?

mctyphoon.7951:

i saw speed hack first time in wvw today is that coincidence ?

They been around for a while.. What was the rank of these speed hackers? Not sure how long it takes to rank up now since it takes forever for my rank title to change but if they are bronze or above they have been around for a while.

I’d even go and say any normal rank title above 50 has been around for a while. Back when I was that rank it seemed to take me a lot of time. WXP wasn’t account bound either so maybe that’s why I felt it took a while since I did play a few different toons.

For all I know you may be able to get to rank 50 -60 nowadays in a few hours lol

edit: also want to add that some people at times do get bad lag. They actually look like they are speed hacking cause they sort of glitch around but the difference is when they glitch they are still moving at the same speed. The speed hackers will def out run everyone.

i agree as well

briggah.7910:

msalakka.4653:

It’s not a change of perception. Anet thinks EotM is WvW. So it makes sense to provide them a rationalized reason as to why doing this makes sense and is a good idea for them, while really, we just want the freeloaders to not kitten up our WvW more than it already is.

Anet knows the difference. They even stated that EoTM will not be counted towards WvW population because it is not the same WvW experience.

Then Anet should also know that not being able to properly work with a team in wvw being able to use team chat, whisper commanders, donate siege to the server commanders and work with the tag is also not providing the same wvw experience and takes up a place on the map that could be better used by someone who can properly participate in the match in progress. It is a burden to the server, not a benefit to have players who are unable to properly work with their server on their server maps taking up space that could be used by someone who can.

EoTM is the future of wvw. It is their testing grounds for wvw and until they put something else in there to test, that is what we can expect to see. WvW players hating it is beside the point of what it actually is supposed to be.

i agree EOTM only!

mctyphoon.7951:

i saw speed hack first time in wvw today is that coincidence ?

sigh i don’t think so. No need to be worried about bans when you can easily make a new account and do it all over again.

lil devils x.6071:

briggah.7910:

msalakka.4653:

It’s not a change of perception. Anet thinks EotM is WvW. So it makes sense to provide them a rationalized reason as to why doing this makes sense and is a good idea for them, while really, we just want the freeloaders to not kitten up our WvW more than it already is.

Anet knows the difference. They even stated that EoTM will not be counted towards WvW population because it is not the same WvW experience.

Then Anet should also know that not being able to properly work with a team in wvw being able to use team chat, whisper commanders, donate siege to the server commanders and work with the tag is also not providing the same wvw experience and takes up a place on the map that could be better used by someone who can properly participate in the match in progress. It is a burden to the server, not a benefit to have players who are unable to properly work with their server on their server maps taking up space that could be used by someone who can.

EoTM is the future of wvw. It is their testing grounds for wvw and until they put something else in there to test, that is what we can expect to see. WvW players hating it is beside the point of what it actually is supposed to be.

If the free accounts can actually make it to lvl 60 with all the restrictions they have then they should be able to enter wvw.. I’ve already talked to a few new players. They have said this game is fun but the restrictions suck. They will most likely upgrade before even reaching level 60 is the way I see it. Anet wants them to buy the game not play the free version forever.

Aggrostemma.1703:

No we want the new players to get into WvW… After they levelled their toon up, learned the basics AND payed the purchase price.

Why add that they have to pay for the game as well? Surely leveling their character and learning the basics whilst leveling is good enough.

It’s Anet’s decision to make the game f2p with restrictions; your comment just makes you sound elitist.

Hell I bet there are going to be some good WvW players on free accounts which are way better than some pugs who have been playing for the last 2 years! I can tell you that right away as even now 3 years later I see pugs refuse to push with a commander letting the commander and his guild die whilst they stay outside away from all the AC fire.

Sorry but all these arguments arent really valid.

Spying/trolling is not the only concern. Imagine F2P players from at guild decide to make 40-50 alts and level on another server together. Then they just use the alts once a month or something to keep the population level manipulated. People do stupid things if you give them the ability. EOTM has instances and hopefully doesn’t affect wvw population for servers so free players should be restricted to EOTM.

Zephyra.4709:

This thread is utterly appalling, in a hilarious way.

WvW vets prior to F2P: “EOTM is just a k-train and isn’t real big boy WvW, it’s a joke.”
WvW vets after F2P introduced: “Restrict F2P accounts to EOTM so they can get a feel for what WvW is like and entice them to buy the game, else we’ll get more trolls in WvW.”

How toxic, misleading, vile and wrong. What a bunch of salty children these people are; laughing off how EOTM is basically PvE with little pvp interaction (which it mostly is, given the k-trains) and yet wanting to dump fresh blood into the game by restricting them THERE stating it’ll entice players to buy the full game.

Yes, dump all the would-be new guildies, players, server buddies, friends etc into a joke of a game mode.

This community. Seriously.

/thread?

Liston.9708:

Do free players going into wvw affect the server status? Would really suck to send a server to full based on free ‘alt’ accounts that go into wvw and do nothing to help, but are there to hinder…..

Don’t know if answered jet, i’m tl;dr, but no, Anet is going to change this “server is full thing” to only be affected by WvW aktivity as WvW is the only part of the game where the Home Server matters.

EotM would scare new players away. They would get spawn camped and think that WvW is too hardcore. Better not let them go EotM before they have played normal softcore mode 100 ranks.

Junkpile.7439:

EotM would scare new players away. They would get spawn camped and think that WvW is too hardcore. Better not let them go EotM before they have played normal softcore mode 100 ranks.

Sigh… You really need a new shtick, this one is beyond boring. I know you’re all about ”low quality trolling” but at least change it up every once in awhile. You are becoming as repetitive as mr. ”no challenge, no risk = no fun”

Puck.9612:

Junkpile.7439:

EotM would scare new players away. They would get spawn camped and think that WvW is too hardcore. Better not let them go EotM before they have played normal softcore mode 100 ranks.

Sigh… You really need a new shtick, this one is beyond boring. I know you’re all about ”low quality trolling” but at least change it up every once in awhile. You are becoming as repetitive as mr. ”no challenge, no risk = no fun”

Truth often is boring. No idea why you think that i am trolling.

funassistant.6589:

Zephyra.4709:

This thread is utterly appalling, in a hilarious way.

WvW vets prior to F2P: “EOTM is just a k-train and isn’t real big boy WvW, it’s a joke.”
WvW vets after F2P introduced: “Restrict F2P accounts to EOTM so they can get a feel for what WvW is like and entice them to buy the game, else we’ll get more trolls in WvW.”

How toxic, misleading, vile and wrong. What a bunch of salty children these people are; laughing off how EOTM is basically PvE with little pvp interaction (which it mostly is, given the k-trains) and yet wanting to dump fresh blood into the game by restricting them THERE stating it’ll entice players to buy the full game.

Yes, dump all the would-be new guildies, players, server buddies, friends etc into a joke of a game mode.

This community. Seriously.

/thread?

Considering there’s not a single argument that isn’t tainted by a logical fallacy in this entire block of text I quoted (yea, let’s generalize the whole community into one thread), a one word seal of approval doesn’t really help much. Though I guess the initial block at least tried to have a thought. Thanks for sharing and better luck next time.

Junkpile.7439:

Puck.9612:

Junkpile.7439:

EotM would scare new players away. They would get spawn camped and think that WvW is too hardcore. Better not let them go EotM before they have played normal softcore mode 100 ranks.

Sigh… You really need a new shtick, this one is beyond boring. I know you’re all about ”low quality trolling” but at least change it up every once in awhile. You are becoming as repetitive as mr. ”no challenge, no risk = no fun”

Truth often is boring. No idea why you think that i am trolling.

Zzzzz try harder please

this EoTM bashing really needs to stop. If you never go there because its too ‘kitten’, then you shouldn’t be qualified to say what EoTM is or isn’t.

for the record, I play both. And quite frankly, I get into more fights in EoTM than i do in WvW, on average. And EoTM is populated at any hour, at least for my server (BG). Do people ktrain there? Sure they do. But i see the exact same thing in WvW, where the 80% of the blob moves to an unguarded keep to flip anyway. Or hides siege in an semi exploitable spot to stealth cap….or has the mesmer stealth port to get easy captures to avoid fights. Isn’t that ktraining just under a different guise?

Yes, some fights in Eotm are lopsided due to uplevels. But not all. And usually these lopsided fights are caused by the so-called ‘zerg busters’ guild groups that have to boost their ego in EoTM by farming uplevels and such.

And again, I play both. I roam in both. I zerg in both. I look for fights. I flip keeps/supply/etc. Depends on the commander on the types of fights you get in either place. Both do the ktrain, only many of the WvW folks try to hide that fact for some reason.

The only differences I have witnessed between EoTM and WvW, the score doesnt count in Eotm and elistist folks in WvW scream and yell at folks for being <80 level.

ArchonWing.9480:

funassistant.6589:

Zephyra.4709:

This thread is utterly appalling, in a hilarious way.

WvW vets prior to F2P: “EOTM is just a k-train and isn’t real big boy WvW, it’s a joke.”
WvW vets after F2P introduced: “Restrict F2P accounts to EOTM so they can get a feel for what WvW is like and entice them to buy the game, else we’ll get more trolls in WvW.”

How toxic, misleading, vile and wrong. What a bunch of salty children these people are; laughing off how EOTM is basically PvE with little pvp interaction (which it mostly is, given the k-trains) and yet wanting to dump fresh blood into the game by restricting them THERE stating it’ll entice players to buy the full game.

Yes, dump all the would-be new guildies, players, server buddies, friends etc into a joke of a game mode.

This community. Seriously.

/thread?

Considering there’s not a single argument that isn’t tainted by a logical fallacy in this entire block of text I quoted (yea, let’s generalize the whole community into one thread), a one word seal of approval doesn’t really help much. Though I guess the initial block at least tried to have a thought. Thanks for sharing and better luck next time.

But he’s 100% right though. Any player who actually plays WvW and not just afk’s in Home garri posting on this forum has the same opinion.

The way it sounds like you need a phone number or a pc to attached to an account now i am not sure if you can make any many accounts as you want.

funassistant.6589:

ArchonWing.9480:

funassistant.6589:

Zephyra.4709:

This thread is utterly appalling, in a hilarious way.

WvW vets prior to F2P: “EOTM is just a k-train and isn’t real big boy WvW, it’s a joke.”
WvW vets after F2P introduced: “Restrict F2P accounts to EOTM so they can get a feel for what WvW is like and entice them to buy the game, else we’ll get more trolls in WvW.”

How toxic, misleading, vile and wrong. What a bunch of salty children these people are; laughing off how EOTM is basically PvE with little pvp interaction (which it mostly is, given the k-trains) and yet wanting to dump fresh blood into the game by restricting them THERE stating it’ll entice players to buy the full game.

Yes, dump all the would-be new guildies, players, server buddies, friends etc into a joke of a game mode.

This community. Seriously.

/thread?

Considering there’s not a single argument that isn’t tainted by a logical fallacy in this entire block of text I quoted (yea, let’s generalize the whole community into one thread), a one word seal of approval doesn’t really help much. Though I guess the initial block at least tried to have a thought. Thanks for sharing and better luck next time.

But he’s 100% right though. Any player who actually plays WvW and not just afk’s in Home garri posting on this forum has the same opinion.

I’m not sure how a argument filled with logical fallacies can be 100% “right” assuming an opinion can be right to begin with. And I’m not sure where you pulled this kind of consensus from.

Sounds pretty disingenuous in any case. Best to just speak for yourself instead of relying on the opinions of invisible people.

mulzi.8273:

this EoTM bashing really needs to stop. If you never go there because its too ‘kitten’, then you shouldn’t be qualified to say what EoTM is or isn’t.

Also, fair enough. I personally have found good experiences in EOTM to be in the minority thanks to the maps being empty in my experience, but I have also seen some pretty decent maps where zergbusting guilds got wiped and that was pretty funny.

It’s certainly no lie that pvdoor/karma train happens in wvw proper at all, though my personal dislike of EOTM comes from the structure of the map itself, rather than what people are using it for.

The only differences I have witnessed between EoTM and WvW, the score doesnt count in Eotm and elistist folks in WvW scream and yell at folks for being <80 level.

I would like to highlight that as well.

Jski.6180:

The way it sounds like you need a phone number or a pc to attached to an account now i am not sure if you can make any many accounts as you want.

Sounds like a good development. Maybe the issue will be moot soon enough.

“Free accounts need to be limited to EOTM only”.

How would you feel if you move to a new country were you were restricted from taking the transportion to your destination? Where the only ones who are not restricted from taking the transportation to their destination are the ones who lived there first?

How Would You Feel?

This behavior and attitude to restrict new players from accessing the entir wvw is cruel, in-humane, ruthful, viscous, insensitive, heartless and wicked.

“It is one of the easiest ways to control them trolling WvW”

This is a poor excuse. Did you know that anyone can be a troll? Yes that is correct! including you? Is trolling restricted to new accounts only? Is trolling restricted to new players only? Does a troll wear a big sign that says, “control me, i’m trolling”?

“Restriction to EOTM only will entice them to purchase the game more if they like WvW and want to help their server ‘win’”.

How can you entice new players to purchase the game by treating them this way? How can new players if you want them to help their server win when you treat them this way?

Putting them inside isolated a cage while you are free in a open area? How would you feel if they were the ones doing that to you?

Would You Feel Anything At all?

. If Arena net ever consider your suggestions: this will be GW2 ’Last Memoir’.

" You Can’t Expect Someone To Stay If You’re Only Giving Them Reasons To Leave "

" You Remove Their Right To Fair Treatment And You Expect Them To Feel Special? "

" Nothing Hurts More After Realizing You Were Not Welcomed With Open Arms "

funassistant.6589:

ArchonWing.9480:

funassistant.6589:

Zephyra.4709:

This thread is utterly appalling, in a hilarious way.

WvW vets prior to F2P: “EOTM is just a k-train and isn’t real big boy WvW, it’s a joke.”
WvW vets after F2P introduced: “Restrict F2P accounts to EOTM so they can get a feel for what WvW is like and entice them to buy the game, else we’ll get more trolls in WvW.”

How toxic, misleading, vile and wrong. What a bunch of salty children these people are; laughing off how EOTM is basically PvE with little pvp interaction (which it mostly is, given the k-trains) and yet wanting to dump fresh blood into the game by restricting them THERE stating it’ll entice players to buy the full game.

Yes, dump all the would-be new guildies, players, server buddies, friends etc into a joke of a game mode.

This community. Seriously.

/thread?

Considering there’s not a single argument that isn’t tainted by a logical fallacy in this entire block of text I quoted (yea, let’s generalize the whole community into one thread), a one word seal of approval doesn’t really help much. Though I guess the initial block at least tried to have a thought. Thanks for sharing and better luck next time.

But he’s 100% right though. Any player who actually plays WvW and not just afk’s in Home garri posting on this forum has the same opinion.

You lost all of your credibility as far as I am concerned, the second you dishonestly claimed to not only speak for others, but stretched it, to claim you speak for any player.

When you have to be disingenuous to make it appear your opinion has more value, you clearly do not believe your argument is strong enough to stand on its own.

You speak for yourself. You certainly do not speak for me.

I disgree. I want new players to try proper WvW.

dancingmonkey.4902:

funassistant.6589:

ArchonWing.9480:

funassistant.6589:

Zephyra.4709:

This thread is utterly appalling, in a hilarious way.

WvW vets prior to F2P: “EOTM is just a k-train and isn’t real big boy WvW, it’s a joke.”
WvW vets after F2P introduced: “Restrict F2P accounts to EOTM so they can get a feel for what WvW is like and entice them to buy the game, else we’ll get more trolls in WvW.”

How toxic, misleading, vile and wrong. What a bunch of salty children these people are; laughing off how EOTM is basically PvE with little pvp interaction (which it mostly is, given the k-trains) and yet wanting to dump fresh blood into the game by restricting them THERE stating it’ll entice players to buy the full game.

Yes, dump all the would-be new guildies, players, server buddies, friends etc into a joke of a game mode.

This community. Seriously.

/thread?

Considering there’s not a single argument that isn’t tainted by a logical fallacy in this entire block of text I quoted (yea, let’s generalize the whole community into one thread), a one word seal of approval doesn’t really help much. Though I guess the initial block at least tried to have a thought. Thanks for sharing and better luck next time.

But he’s 100% right though. Any player who actually plays WvW and not just afk’s in Home garri posting on this forum has the same opinion.

You lost all of your credibility as far as I am concerned, the second you dishonestly claimed to not only speak for others, but stretched it, to claim you speak for any player.

When you have to be disingenuous to make it appear your opinion has more value, you clearly do not believe your argument is strong enough to stand on its own.

You speak for yourself. You certainly do not speak for me.

Implying you don’t AFK more in Citadel and typing out posts than actually being active in WvW. Please remove that title from your name. It’s entirely misleading. You know absolutely NOTHING of WvW.

Back on topic.

Why should f2p users be limited to the worst rendition of our preferred game mode when any person who ACTUALLY plays the godkitten game shuns the place as a PvE zone where players get corrupted by easy rewards.

We get stripped of potential friends and players and they lose the chance to experience the same wonder and fun we had.

Literally the worst kind of people to want to rip away and deny a certain group of people the privilege of equality.

Reminds me of Apartheid in South Africa.

Leveling from 1-60 in pve on a fresh account takes much longer due to the loss of many buffs you can get from your acheive bonuses, and boosters/fireworks etc.

Free account also can’t transfer servers, so if they want to spy/troll on another server they would have to level another account from 1-60

Fastest way would be with leveling crafting 5.5 times to 400 (currently ~100g of mats) with ~2 gifted boosters(~50g), even then that takes quite a bit of time and effort. About 150 gold, ~ 4 hours of crafting/salvaging, 1+ hour of mailing mats, because of the restrictions on TP for free accounts (common items only), 3-4 hours farming for said gold in sw.

So say total of 10 hours and 150+ gold per server for craft leveling. For many players that’s pretty expensive. And the players with dedication to do this probably already have a bunch of $10 accounts.

As to guilds transferring down to carry a server up, that could always happen before. ie war machine and kaineng. The population change + f2p accounts just means that instead of buying gems to move back and forth they will now just make free accounts while keeping their mains on the more populous server.

While this seems advantageous, the time and gold cost is enormously higher as they would have to re-lvl and re-gear 300 gold per account for exotics, 1k+ for ascended. If a guild had the dedication to spend 1k+ gold ($82 at current conversion rate) per character to move to say Eredon Terrace, what would stop them from spending another $50 for the account on top of it?

+1 to restrict free accounts to EOTM.

dodgycookies.4562:

Leveling from 1-60 in pve on a fresh account takes much longer due to the loss of many buffs you can get from your acheive bonuses, and boosters/fireworks etc.

Free account also can’t transfer servers, so if they want to spy/troll on another server they would have to level another account from 1-60

Fastest way would be with leveling crafting 5.5 times to 400 (currently ~100g of mats) with ~2 gifted boosters(~50g), even then that takes quite a bit of time and effort. About 150 gold, ~ 4 hours of crafting/salvaging, 1+ hour of mailing mats, because of the restrictions on TP for free accounts (common items only), 3-4 hours farming for said gold in sw.

So say total of 10 hours and 150+ gold per server for craft leveling. For many players that’s pretty expensive. And the players with dedication to do this probably already have a bunch of $10 accounts.

As to guilds transferring down to carry a server up, that could always happen before. ie war machine and kaineng. The population change + f2p accounts just means that instead of buying gems to move back and forth they will now just make free accounts while keeping their mains on the more populous server.

While this seems advantageous, the time and gold cost is enormously higher as they would have to re-lvl and re-gear 300 gold per account for exotics, 1k+ for ascended. If a guild had the dedication to spend 1k+ gold ($82 at current conversion rate) per character to move to say Eredon Terrace, what would stop them from spending another $50 for the account on top of it?

On leveling: there are ways to level quickly that don’t require gold (but do require gameplay).

On having to transfer: Almost all your matchups are with the same few servers. You’d only need 3-4 free accounts and you cover pretty much all matchups you’d ever see.

DarkSyze.8627:

“Free accounts need to be limited to EOTM only”.

How would you feel if you move to a new country were you were restricted from taking the transportion to your destination? Where the only ones who are not restricted from taking the transportation to their destination are the ones who lived there first?

How Would You Feel?

This behavior and attitude to restrict new players from accessing the entir wvw is cruel, in-humane, ruthful, viscous, insensitive, heartless and wicked.

“It is one of the easiest ways to control them trolling WvW”

This is a poor excuse. Did you know that anyone can be a troll? Yes that is correct! including you? Is trolling restricted to new accounts only? Is trolling restricted to new players only? Does a troll wear a big sign that says, “control me, i’m trolling”?

“Restriction to EOTM only will entice them to purchase the game more if they like WvW and want to help their server ‘win’”.

How can you entice new players to purchase the game by treating them this way? How can new players if you want them to help their server win when you treat them this way?

Putting them inside isolated a cage while you are free in a open area? How would you feel if they were the ones doing that to you?

Would You Feel Anything At all?

. If Arena net ever consider your suggestions: this will be GW2 ’Last Memoir’.

" You Can’t Expect Someone To Stay If You’re Only Giving Them Reasons To Leave "

" You Remove Their Right To Fair Treatment And You Expect Them To Feel Special? "

" Nothing Hurts More After Realizing You Were Not Welcomed With Open Arms "

I am not seeing anyone wanting to restrict “new players” from wvw, just F2P players that are already prevented from properly participating in wvvw to be a benefit to the server rather than a burden. New players who can whisper commanders, speak in team chat, donate siege to the server commanders, trade with and speak with other players on their server as needed are plenty welcome. Just do not want a restricted and non committed player taking up a space on the team that could be used by a player who can actually properly participate in the match in progress.

It is like you are taking a space on the baseball field while a game is in progress, but are unable to communicate with your teammates, throw the ball to them, or really play as one of the team. It would be better at that point to just get off the field and let someone who can play take the space, otherwise you are a burden to the team, not a benefit.

Let new players who can actually play properly into wvw, and let the F2P players go to EoTM since they cannot properly work with their team and server. Once they become a committed B2P player without restrictions like everyone else, they are more than welcome to join in the match.

lil devils x.6071:

DarkSyze.8627:

“Free accounts need to be limited to EOTM only”.

How would you feel if you move to a new country were you were restricted from taking the transportion to your destination? Where the only ones who are not restricted from taking the transportation to their destination are the ones who lived there first?

How Would You Feel?

This behavior and attitude to restrict new players from accessing the entir wvw is cruel, in-humane, ruthful, viscous, insensitive, heartless and wicked.

“It is one of the easiest ways to control them trolling WvW”

This is a poor excuse. Did you know that anyone can be a troll? Yes that is correct! including you? Is trolling restricted to new accounts only? Is trolling restricted to new players only? Does a troll wear a big sign that says, “control me, i’m trolling”?

“Restriction to EOTM only will entice them to purchase the game more if they like WvW and want to help their server ‘win’”.

How can you entice new players to purchase the game by treating them this way? How can new players if you want them to help their server win when you treat them this way?

Putting them inside isolated a cage while you are free in a open area? How would you feel if they were the ones doing that to you?

Would You Feel Anything At all?

. If Arena net ever consider your suggestions: this will be GW2 ’Last Memoir’.

" You Can’t Expect Someone To Stay If You’re Only Giving Them Reasons To Leave "

" You Remove Their Right To Fair Treatment And You Expect Them To Feel Special? "

" Nothing Hurts More After Realizing You Were Not Welcomed With Open Arms "

I am not seeing anyone wanting to restrict “new players” from wvw, just F2P players that are already prevented from properly participating in wvvw to be a benefit to the server rather than a burden. New players who can whisper commanders, speak in team chat, donate siege to the server commanders, trade with and speak with other players on their server as needed are plenty welcome. Just do not want a restricted and non committed player taking up a space on the team that could be used by a player who can actually properly participate in the match in progress.

It is like you are taking a space on the baseball field while a game is in progress, but are unable to communicate with your teammates, throw the ball to them, or really play as one of the team. It would be better at that point to just get off the field and let someone who can play take the space, otherwise you are a burden to the team, not a benefit.

Let new players who can actually play properly into wvw, and let the F2P players go to EoTM since they cannot properly work with their team and server. Once they become a committed B2P player without restrictions like everyone else, they are more than welcome to join in the match.

I’m shy so I barely whisper my commanders. New players will most likely toss siege and be called a troll since they are new and do not realize they can donate siege to commanders or its a bad thing to do. Its a learning process. They will only learn to k-train in EoTM. (and possible learn to k-train from some wvw servers :P)

When I first started I just followed a tag around and I didn’t see myself as a burden. I didn’t know the correct terms to call out any towers etc so I mainly just stuck to a tag.. Over time when I played and learned more then I started to be more vocal in chats. With what you are saying I was basically no help to my server since I didn’t really chat much and was mainly learning from what other people were saying until things made sense to me.

If people actually used squads more they could make all the call outs in the squad chat no?

I barely talk in game much as is.. I’m usually too busy trying to kill something. I react more to other peoples call outs than anything.. I’m sorry to my server for being no help since I don’t chat much.

F2P acount shouldn’t be locked out of wvw.
They need the real experience of wvw .
there are few reasons
1.with eotm they will only know or karmatrain.
2. people will have no clue what do do in wvw for the 1st week if they are red [yes red is still low on numbers]
3.after actually getting to play wvw they won’t stick with it cuz reward is too low.
4.people won’t know the game mechanics , combos , boons etc & how to use em in team fight.
5.people won’t know about defending an objective.

I know many people who bought the game after trying wvw for the 1st time after f2p system went live. wvw content is free but they bought it anyway.

there are few limitations that is actually stops a f2p account from trolling with new account all the time
1.map chat block <- this is a -ve effect for wvw but they can use whisper chat for scout infos & stuff directly to commanders [although I’d be happy if they didn’t have map chat block for wvw].
2.lvl 60 lock for wvw is quiet interesting since you can’t send anything to lvl up that 1st f2p character from other accounts you have to put a lot of effort to lvl that 1st toon only from pve or pvp.

now if you want to troll a server by putting a lot of effort to a lvl 60 toon you might as well just enjoy the server you are in.
also new player are burden ? really?
unless you are t1 or t2 you won’t have queues in all 4 bls even during prime time but kitten servers are already full, gg trolls can’t get into them for trolling.

only thing you can do to stop trolls by this.
if an account gets reported by 25-30 different people with same wvw reason, suspend that account from wvw for 3-7days .
so anet did a good job for not blocking wvw from f2p players.
wvw needs some love & if it’s locked we loose many potential wvw players.
even with f2p accounts people will play on lower tier & map won’t be a freaking empty desert anymore.

Disagree about WvWvW restriction for F2P players.

I introduced this game to my friends, and I want to let them experience the funniest things of GW2.

+1

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

Agree to restrict free accounts to EOTM.

Sich.7103:

+1, no more to say, we have enough spy and troll. And with population restriction we don’t want to see our server going full with people who can’t speak in map chat..

Holy Crap, I didn’t even think about that. World vs. World is a massive effort that requires Map Chat. Unless those new players can speak in Team Chat, they’re 100% useless to the paid World vs. World players.

They can use ts – so not 100% useless……

Everyone says +1 to this until you get a guy, a friend of yours or a friend of a guildmate, etc., who gets one of these F2P accounts. Case in point: friend of owner of the FA ts server is on a F2P account. He wants to join us in WvW, expects it even since F2P is advertised as WvW at lvl 60. And we want him in WvW with us.

danofzi.4870:

Disagree about WvWvW restriction for F2P players.

I introduced this game to my friends, and I want to let them experience the funniest things of GW2.

I agree with you.

If the ‘free to play’ players love it so much they want no restrictions: solution is easy, buy the game. And don’t give me ‘but some players can’t afford crap’. While it’s true for some player, those are a huge minority. The permanent ‘test account’, that’s free to play basically fixes a bit issue: People don’t want to spend money on something they are not sure of. With the current f2p account, and if you are serious enough to want to wvw (wich is pretty much endgame content), then you gotta pay the bill. Make Anet a healthy company. That’s the sign ‘ok i like the game enough that I shoudl buy it’. 45 euro is a steal for f2p player if you consider how much they get.

Chaba.5410:

danofzi.4870:

Disagree about WvWvW restriction for F2P players.

I introduced this game to my friends, and I want to let them experience the funniest things of GW2.

I agree with you.

So do I. When my F2P friends first entered WvW, I showed them EotM. We had a pretty good commander, train was moving fast and we were victorious in any encounter with enemies. The problem was – I could keep up with the zerg no problem and tagged everything, but my friend was still inexperienced and he was feeling EotM is too “rushy”. That’s why I was glad I could show them Eternal Battlegrounds, where the pace is much more acceptable for the newbies and he did his best to help our server dominate the map.
Do not put any more restrictions on F2P players. They might put them off buying the game or continuing to play (albeit for free). Fix the reasons why “non-legit” F2P accounts can troll. Don’t punish legit players, who only want to experience the game and potentially buy it. Trust me – some friends of mine already did that. And many others are trying the free version at the moment.

Maybe my experience is speaking for me and I haven’t yet seen a misuse of these free accounts. If you’ve seen the positive side of things like I did, you would be thinking something else. Try to bring some friends into the game and see for yourself. Don’t spoil it for others, try to come up with something more constructive than just “restrict this and that”.

+1

I cannot agree more! Allowing free players into WvW will destroy the community more-so than it already has been. PLEASE Anet restrict them to EOTM, or AT LEAST only allow them to join using level 80’s only and not take positions in the queue’s before those who do pay.

Problem is that couple servers get all f2p players. Every f2p mmo player knows that medium = empty, high = low and very high = medium so nobody go high or medium servers. This would have been good chance balance things little bit, but people who decide thing probably don’t even remember that WvW exist.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

If the ‘free to play’ players love it so much they want no restrictions: solution is easy, buy the game. And don’t give me ‘but some players can’t afford crap’. While it’s true for some player, those are a huge minority. The permanent ‘test account’, that’s free to play basically fixes a bit issue: People don’t want to spend money on something they are not sure of. With the current f2p account, and if you are serious enough to want to wvw (wich is pretty much endgame content), then you gotta pay the bill. Make Anet a healthy company. That’s the sign ‘ok i like the game enough that I shoudl buy it’. 45 euro is a steal for f2p player if you consider how much they get.

It was ArenaNet’s business decision to offer these free accounts and allow them into WvW at level 60 just as it was their business decision to originally sell GW2 as a buy-once game with no subscription fee. I’ll leave it to you to spam messages at F2P players to buy the game.

Allow them to play WvW but they can’t place siege until x level. That’s solves the siege troll issues.

As fort spying, its going to happen theres not much anyone can do about it, besides a good scout will relay your numbers and position before you’re aware they are in the area. The main concern seems to be siege trolling which will be fixed by not allowing free account to place siege until a designated level.

Chaba.5410:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

If the ‘free to play’ players love it so much they want no restrictions: solution is easy, buy the game. And don’t give me ‘but some players can’t afford crap’. While it’s true for some player, those are a huge minority. The permanent ‘test account’, that’s free to play basically fixes a bit issue: People don’t want to spend money on something they are not sure of. With the current f2p account, and if you are serious enough to want to wvw (wich is pretty much endgame content), then you gotta pay the bill. Make Anet a healthy company. That’s the sign ‘ok i like the game enough that I shoudl buy it’. 45 euro is a steal for f2p player if you consider how much they get.

It was ArenaNet’s business decision to offer these free accounts and allow them into WvW at level 60 just as it was their business decision to originally sell GW2 as a buy-once game with no subscription fee. I’ll leave it to you to spam messages at F2P players to buy the game.

And if it is not in their best interest for the sake of player revenue coming from WvW players to let F2P players into WvW, they should do themselves a service by securing income from a loyal fanbase than banking on the fact F2P players will shell out cash and buy the game.

Frankly, WvW is a reason to buy the game. That’s what I bought it for. Teasing EoTM and putting WvW behind the pay gate for both the health of the format and server communities would only bring economic benefit to ANet, and likely do a better job at doing so. WvW is a great concept, just like any large-scale PvP is, but if the gameplay itself is mediocre, it’s not worth an investment. New players can try out combat as F2P, try EoTM once they get the pace down, and see if they like the fights. They can then buy the game if they so please and enjoy its full features.

Well, ArenaNet’s gamble worked. The F2P account purchased HoT. He has to wait three days apparently before restrictions are lifted. He’s not quite level 80 yet, but has had the chance to run in WvW with us after unlocking it, on FA, in T2, a tier most players would consider to be bad at the moment…

Seems to me the system is working as Anet intended.

No, we want new people into real WvW especially for lower population servers, I don’t want people just thinking WvW is a pure farm thing and not experiencing the real thing. This would have a hugely negative effect for those who really want to play WvW.