Guild Wars 2

The patch notes mentioned reducing retaliation to sPvP levels. They were referring to this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Is-retaliation-damage-reduced-by-1-3-in-sPvP

So, not only did confusion damage get reduced by 50%, but retaliation (another significant source of Mesmer damage) was reduced by 33%. This looks like an attempt to drive players away from mesmers and towards rangers and warriors.

It’s true, mesmers are much too common in WvW. They have outnumbered warriors and rangers for too long.

My theory is an Anet guy was playing a flamethrower engineer, and got burnt to a crisp on retaliation.

yes they want us to stop playing mesmers, it’s not a rediculous claim at all, it’s totally what they want us to do

mesmers are the ONLY class to use confusion and it’s our only way to deal damage, we’re also the only class to use retaliation so surely it has something to do with them wanting to slowly remove the class from the game

i hope for your sake you aren’t serious or think i am

This admittedly hits guardians and engineers too, just to a much smaller degree.

Syn.3459:

yes they want us to stop playing mesmers, it’s not a rediculous claim at all, it’s totally what they want us to do

mesmers are the ONLY class to use confusion and it’s our only way to deal damage, we’re also the only class to use retaliation so surely it has something to do with them wanting to slowly remove the class from the game

i hope for your sake you aren’t serious or think i am

Your kidding right? Engineer has Prybar and it was wrecking faces in WvW.

Goloith.6349:

Syn.3459:

yes they want us to stop playing mesmers, it’s not a rediculous claim at all, it’s totally what they want us to do

mesmers are the ONLY class to use confusion and it’s our only way to deal damage, we’re also the only class to use retaliation so surely it has something to do with them wanting to slowly remove the class from the game

i hope for your sake you aren’t serious or think i am

Your kidding right? Engineer has Prybar and it was wrecking faces in WvW.

I think if you read the last line again you’ll realize he was kidding. I’ll be honest, until I read that line I wasn’t sure if he was kiddin or not. I expect all sorts on the Internet.

Lepew.7890:

My theory is an Anet guy was playing a flamethrower engineer, and got burnt to a crisp on retaliation.

Or a grenade engi, or a pistol engi … or a lb ranger … or anything that has lots of weak attacks.
I play a guardian and retal is in a better place now, if anything its still too strong.

Lepew.7890:

My theory is an Anet guy was playing a flamethrower engineer, and got burnt to a crisp on retaliation.

False! if they even played the engi they would show it more love, but its prolly the least liked professions in terms of patch notes after mesmers

Bones.5762:

Lepew.7890:

My theory is an Anet guy was playing a flamethrower engineer, and got burnt to a crisp on retaliation.

False! if they even played the engi they would show it more love, but its prolly the least liked professions in terms of patch notes after mesmers

They must be playing thieves then. They absolutely commit suicide off my 2.8k armor + 24k hp with retal!

Except they didn’t lower the damage at all, I get hit for higher retal ticks now than I ever did before, got hit by a 460 tick yesterday in WvW.

Not sure what is going on here. I’m seeing retaliation hit people in the 350 area on my NECRO which is condition spec. It seems to be doing more damage to me.

greyblue.4962:

This admittedly hits guardians and engineers too, just to a much smaller degree.

Ret is far more important to guardians than any other class.

fishergrip.4082:

greyblue.4962:

This admittedly hits guardians and engineers too, just to a much smaller degree.

Ret is far more important to guardians than any other class.

This. Well I don’t know about far more important, but it’s a very important tool for us.

Syn.3459:

yes they want us to stop playing mesmers, it’s not a rediculous claim at all, it’s totally what they want us to do

mesmers are the ONLY class to use confusion and it’s our only way to deal damage, we’re also the only class to use retaliation so surely it has something to do with them wanting to slowly remove the class from the game

i hope for your sake you aren’t serious or think i am

Retaliation made the bulk of the damage component for my guardian build. Out the door now. Cant do damage, cant block or invuln and punished for even having boons. I want a refund for all my gear

Oozo.7856:

Not sure what is going on here. I’m seeing retaliation hit people in the 350 area on my NECRO which is condition spec. It seems to be doing more damage to me.

I was getting 420 ticks on my Mesmer while running away with just my frickin’ clones hitting, y’know the ones that do approximately zero damage? A few people in our guild said they thought retaliation had been buffed – perhaps it’s just because we can actually see it now.

Yes, there’s something more subtle than a straight reduction going on. I’ve noticed retaliation hits between the 190s and 330ish on my guardian. It used to be a straight 326. Two theories: 1) it’s now scaled by the incoming damage, so uplevels and fast attackers won’t get hit disproportionately hard, or 2) it’s now mitigated by armor. I think it might be the first, but haven’t tested enough to know.