Guild Wars 2

Straegen.2938:

Now that the HoT meta is starting to settle anyone else notice that a handful of elites have become nearly unkillable in skirmish without heavy focus and many of these builds maintain a solid DPS?

Sustain has become too prolific in my opinion at least on builds that can output decent DPS. I have completely stopped engaging Dragon Hunters, Tempests and Scrappers. Any of the bunker Chronomancers also get a pass.

Not sure if this is a good or bad thing but a lot of fights have become an exercise in futility or a bring three friends sort of deal.

There are always builds aginst which trying to fight is an exercise in futility. Nike warriors had their time, thieves had their time, PU condi mesmers had their time, etc., etc.

I most certainly do not want to go back to the days of nothing but zerker builds, it killed variety and a lot of players have left because of it. Even now condi builds are right down stupid useless vs organized or semi-organized groups due to all the AOE cleanse spam.

It is true that the elite specs are somewhat OP vs old specs, but it is also true that you can still do well on many of the old builds in many situations, they just aren’t as OP as they used to be, you actually have competition and hard counters now. Some individual skills and traits need some balance adjustments, rev hammer 2 for example, but I certainly do not want to be stuck playing nothing but power based DPS which is currently the case. Bunker, heal and condi builds need to be viable in large group fights. If all anyone needs is zerker then what is the point of existance of the other ones ? The players playing the other builds have to be able to defeat you sometime, on some builds with reasonable success rates.

Builds can be even more broken in WvW imo, but you don’t usually get to see it unless it’s in small scale groups or duels really (solo roaming builds are often, too selfish in group play), which is different to sPvP conquest; where it’s bunker wars.

Of course, there are some compositions, which larger coordinated groups can use, where they can pre-stack almost perma boons.

I have not been here for even 2 years but even I know that elite specs are “way stronger” than normal ones, Anet needs cash desperately so buggers balance, and there will be no balance in this game because Anet do not care.

I have been playing ranger since my first login, they hate us.
I love my elementalist, my second profession, which has no decent condi build
I love my engi (carpal-tunnel meister) which still has several bugs (others have too)
blah blah blah.

Selling an expansion without fixing bugs and problems in the game is the worst idea ever. If there were no bugs in core professions, maybe they would be able to withstand elites. Only necro & corrupt boon works very well now.

rchu.8945:

I rather deal with bunker meta than a thief stealth abuse meta.

Stealth abuse? What abuse? You mean those completely useless scouts that were running around trying to 1v1 people, which was literally the only thing they could do?

Well. I guess it is way more fun to have six people fight each other for an hour and never dropping below 50% hp!

alain.1659:

I have not been here for even 2 years but even I know that elite specs are “way stronger” than normal ones, Anet needs cash desperately so buggers balance, and there will be no balance in this game because Anet do not care.

I have been playing ranger since my first login, they hate us.
I love my elementalist, my second profession, which has no decent condi build
I love my engi (carpal-tunnel meister) which still has several bugs (others have too)
blah blah blah.

Selling an expansion without fixing bugs and problems in the game is the worst idea ever. If there were no bugs in core professions, maybe they would be able to withstand elites. Only necro & corrupt boon works very well now.

This. And hey are going to lose in the end because of their greed. Me and many else have left this game. I am one of those who are waiting for a good patch until I’ll be back, but most left for good….

They already screwed up early when they didn’t deliver any patches. Having a balance patch every 6+ months just sent all the big-name pvp players of other games back to just those games. Many of the top pvp players of other similar titles tried GW2 and loved it for its graphics and combat, but swiftly left when ANet didn’t deliver on their promises.

zinkz.7045:

Someone stated that they preferred the current meta to previous thief dominated metas

It really sounds like some players are still bitter over what thieves used to do to them in solo play two years ago since they bring it up in just about any thread related or not.

zinkz.7045:

And no, you didn’t merely claim “bunker” builds dominated the current meta, you QQ’d you couldn’t kill them without focus fire and that you no longer engage them, guess what this is nothing new, if you came up against a d/d cele ele in the last year or so unless you were on a specific class/build or they were terrible you would not kill them,

Builds that counter other builds have always been around and should remain that way. Unfortunately, the current meta is generating a large number of builds that have no distinct counter play. My comments are about a large portion of the current population running builds that fall into the why bother category. They cannot kill me, I cannot kill them without a numbers advantage. A single class that is dominant in some portion of the meta will likely always be the case but we aren’t talking about a single class or at least I am not.

Using the D/D Celementalist as a point of reference. When they were at their peak usage, there just weren’t that many of them as they were only one build (lets also keep in mind the Celementalist had known counter play). Today we have several classes and builds that perform better than the Celementalist did with far fewer defensive holes and similar DPS. If there were 4-5 other classes during that time with the same bunker/DPS capability, a thread similar to this would have appeared.

zinkz.7045:

LOL, repeating what you said and ignoring the point

Funny because that is exactly what you are doing. You keep creating straw man arguments while I am trying to have a discussion about the current bunker meta.

zinkz.7045:

Yet you apparently have not worked out that they balance this game on PvP and more recently PvE raids as well, and not WvW, and that the meta for smallscale in WvW has always been a result of that, has never been even vaguely balanced in any way, and will only change when they balance for PvP next.

I think we can both agree ANet will likely not read nor do anything about meta from most of the WvW forum posts. I post merely for cathartic reasons and hopefully to gain some insight from other players about how they handle the “Rise of the Bunkers”.