Guild Wars 2

Bah, it’s all bad. Roaming is pointless at each camp are defenders, most camps are fully equipped and additionally provided with guild extensions. At Tower (I have previously taken alone) is not to be thought.
The (old) Maps are absolute junk for Roamer, only now I realize how good Desert Borderlands were.
Currently I am on Gandara. Makes a server switch to a less populated Server sense or is it “thanks” World Linking all so bad.

Basically its: go to Ebg, join tag, tag will know when enemy zergs move to the alpine and will be able to track their movements through the contacts/friends tab and spies…so you go to alpine when tag goes there. With cross bl chat roamers/scouts will be even more unwelcome. I mean there are typically only 2 objectives to defend/attack at any given time on the alpine….one on each side of the map generally. Given how small the map is and how everyone is bunched ontop of these objective locations….its just a neverending respawn game where numbers will prevail over skill (unless ur running a shieldwall or heal tank ele/guardian spam of dedicated healers….you wont end a fight but you won’t die in it either lol…but this isn’t roamer territory obviously).

Rip roamers. You don’t even get medpacks at the sentry posts on alpine haha.

At least you get some frikking fights now as roamer on alpine, that is about the only reason what i like about this alpine map being brought back.

Offair.2563:

At least you get some frikking fights now as roamer on alpine, that is about the only reason what i like about this alpine map being brought back.

What he said, I like that I can log on for 2 hours and get more roaming fights than I’d get in a week in that stupid horribly designed desert bl. Don’t ever bring it back anet……

Magira.6390:

Currently I am on Gandara. Makes a server switch to a less populated Server sense or is it “thanks” World Linking all so bad.

It is not like that at all in last tier. You would have plenty of room in last tier where we are atm with GH. But I would probably not transfer anywhere as long the WvW is on beta and everything may change next week again.

Are you seriously complaining that you are finding people to fight!?
What the kitten is happening……

Magira.6390:

Bah, it’s all bad. Roaming is pointless at each camp are defenders, most camps are fully equipped and additionally provided with guild extensions. At Tower (I have previously taken alone) is not to be thought.
The (old) Maps are absolute junk for Roamer, only now I realize how good Desert Borderlands were.
Currently I am on Gandara. Makes a server switch to a less populated Server sense or is it “thanks” World Linking all so bad.

Maybe if EVERY roamer wasnt a cheese mesmer it might be fun. It’s not fun fighting air.

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Maybe if EVERY roamer wasnt a cheese mesmer it might be fun. It’s not fun fighting air.

I haven’t had any problems with mesmers since they toned down their burst damage. It was annoying being insta gibbed from stealth. Now they actually have to fight and unless they are real close to a tower they can’t escape if they start to lose.

@Magira.6390, yes theres other players playign the game, camps are to be defended against roammers, would you want a empty BL to solo cap?

Make sugestions to change that, support other players sugestion and give them feedback etc, only way to improve the game.

Magira.6390:

Bah, it’s all bad. Roaming is pointless at each camp are defenders, most camps are fully equipped and additionally provided with guild extensions. At Tower (I have previously taken alone) is not to be thought.
The (old) Maps are absolute junk for Roamer, only now I realize how good Desert Borderlands were.
Currently I am on Gandara. Makes a server switch to a less populated Server sense or is it “thanks” World Linking all so bad.

Weird because I mostly roam and I find the ABL a lot more roamer friendly than the DBL ever were due the how open they are compared to the DBL (specially when they had barricades).

The server merge make it a lot more difficult to flip stuff solo but I like the increase challenge of it.

Wait wait wait wait wait…

You’re complaining that people are defending objectives on the map? That you’re getting fights?

Puck.9612:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Maybe if EVERY roamer wasnt a cheese mesmer it might be fun. It’s not fun fighting air.

I haven’t had any problems with mesmers since they toned down their burst damage. It was annoying being insta gibbed from stealth. Now they actually have to fight and unless they are real close to a tower they can’t escape if they start to lose.

It was anoying…. dead for usign blocks, after dodge burts still few seconds later burst RIP , etc…

I had some situations when i got confusion at the last second before i press shelter and those blocks doing 4k damage per block on myself, with me trying to cancel block.. wel to late RIP, still trying to understand how mesmer where doing that since confusion was the only condi that wast being removed, since i play with blocks removign condis, and shelter should remove a condi per second.

Nowadays im getting ganked by teams of 5 DH (lold, that run away if then need to fight 3 players, they only engage on 5 vs 1), and groups of 5 daredevil/thiefs.

Aeolus.3615:

Puck.9612:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Maybe if EVERY roamer wasnt a cheese mesmer it might be fun. It’s not fun fighting air.

I haven’t had any problems with mesmers since they toned down their burst damage. It was annoying being insta gibbed from stealth. Now they actually have to fight and unless they are real close to a tower they can’t escape if they start to lose.

It was anoying…. dead for usign blocks, after dodge burts still few seconds later burst RIP , etc…

I had some situations when i got confusion at the last second before i press shelter and those blocks doing 4k damage per block on myself, with me trying to cancel block.. wel to late RIP, still trying to understand how mesmer where doing that since confusion was the only condi that wast being removed, since i play with blocks removign condis, and shelter should remove a condi per second.

Nowadays im getting ganked by teams of 5 DH (lold, that run away if then need to fight 3 players, they only engage on 5 vs 1), and groups of 5 daredevil/thiefs.

Lol the thief groups are the worst because most of them are running such tanky builds that the only way they can kill anything is in a 5v1. It’s pretty depressing to see players resort to that.
I rarely see those groups in the bl though, they usually stick to ebg trying to pick off random zerglings that fell off the Karma train.

Reverence.6915:

Wait wait wait wait wait…

You’re complaining that people are defending objectives on the map? That you’re getting fights?

I have nothing against Fights, I am primarily PVPer. A “Fight” in which the defender has the support of 10 NPCs and various buffs is none. But the majority of PVE Blober sees this of course different. The roll over individual Roamer completely without any skill.

Sounds like a learn to pick your engagements issue.

Puck.9612, so true, tanky and those evasionness capacity :| while still doing some good damage.

gennyt.3428:

Sounds like a learn to pick your engagements issue.

That’s the problem. I find nothing to pick more.

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Aeolus.3615:

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Yes, it looks like this as the end of the solo roaming would come. The World Linking is the kiss of death.

Magira.6390:

Aeolus.3615:

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Yes, it looks like this as the end of the solo roaming would come. The World Linking is the kiss of death.

Thankfully yes it’s the end

I dont have nothing against at solo roamming but, wanting to do everything solo in a online siege gameplay, well… IMO ic it the mentalitty that wrecked the game, not the havock or solo, but the way people want everything delivered easilly.

Roaming is still pretty good in NA servers. I’m on Blackgate which is top of tier 1 and I run a small man roaming group. My stream is in my forum signature if you want to see how roaming is there.

Ok, now I’m beginning to think the “roamer” complaints over the map change are more like complaining they can’t pvdoor with a 4 man group unhindered by those nasty people who now show up and chastise them.

I “roam” on FA. Roam as in checking out things, scouting, calling out, taking Sentries, Yaks and Camps and helping defend when needed. I also drop and refresh Siege. I’m all over the map. I could not do that effectively on the pvmap Deserted Borderlands.

I will not play on them. When they rotate back in, I’ll rotate out.

Magira.6390:

Aeolus.3615:

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Yes, it looks like this as the end of the solo roaming would come. The World Linking is the kiss of death.

Solo roaming died like 2 years ago where have you been

Lol a roamer complaining about fights? There’s eotm for that as you don’t sound like a true roamer. Solo roaming I flip a camp before swords even show, so I have no problem roaming whatsoever.

Gwaihir.1745:

Lol a roamer complaining about fights? There’s eotm for that as you don’t sound like a true roamer. Solo roaming I flip a camp before swords even show, so I have no problem roaming whatsoever.

I get plenty of fights roaming in the borderlands. I’m so sick of EBG since its all that was viable to play on for the past 7 months. Roaming on Alpine again has been some fresh air back in to the game.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Magira.6390:

Aeolus.3615:

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Yes, it looks like this as the end of the solo roaming would come. The World Linking is the kiss of death.

Solo roaming died like 2 years ago where have you been

I played 10 Toons with solo roaming to Elite. Everything since HOT.

You can always just LOS/kite the guards away and avoid overextending. It should not be a problem unless they get the jump on you and you are in the middle of the guards but this is why you should save cooldowns against NPCs. Always kill scouts because their blind utterly sucks.

Just try to peel them off the camp. If they’re unwilling to, they’re either nor that good or not spec’d for roaming (probably just a scout) and you should have the advantage anyways. In any case, it’s probably not worth the time and just move on.

The only resentment I personally have are those kitten ed hylek frogs.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Magira.6390:

Aeolus.3615:

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Yes, it looks like this as the end of the solo roaming would come. The World Linking is the kiss of death.

Solo roaming died like 2 years ago where have you been

3 finished Title tracks since the Alpine came back this week. Solo. Roaming. And I’m a 60 yr old with severe arthritus.

Magira.6390:

Bah, it’s all bad. Roaming is pointless at each camp are defenders, most camps are fully equipped and additionally provided with guild extensions. At Tower (I have previously taken alone) is not to be thought.
The (old) Maps are absolute junk for Roamer, only now I realize how good Desert Borderlands were.

Cry me a river, and drown in your own tears! This is MY camp, defended by MY ballista! The yaks must flow to the towers that I shall also try to hold!

… Thanks to the new maps, it’s actually fun being an objective defender now. I just need to work on my Taunts when I see solo/duo roamers run away from the camps and forts I defend. Unfortunately, none of them leave giant wooden rabbits for me to launch back at them. (I hope they don’t come for me in giant wooden badgers. Or METAL BAWKSES!)

(Note – We’re actually different server groups (I’m TC) and I’m just joking around here. But yeah. I like being a defender. If you’re a solo roamer, you still have plenty of options:
1. Look for undefended camps/towers to claim
2. Kill the dolyaks leaving player-defended camps to force them to leave and give up their advantages in the fight or fail to provide Dolyaks for their forts.
3. Scout for Havoc and Zerg forces
4. Prove your superiority by smashing the defender to pieces in spite of all his defensive advantages.
5. Lie dead in the mud because you overestimated your skill at attempting 4)

I think it’s great that there are enemies now on the borderlands…

they can defend a camp or a sentry or a tower or a yak as long as there are players on the map to fight against I don’t care what that they do or where they are.

The beauty of Alpine too is being able to see enemies to engage with in the first place, DBL made it impossible to find people and if you did it was because they were across a canyon that would take 5 mins to cross…

I roam all the time and I’m not even good lol got too used to fighting NPC’s… But the fights now <3

Magira.6390:

Reverence.6915:

Wait wait wait wait wait…

You’re complaining that people are defending objectives on the map? That you’re getting fights?

I have nothing against Fights, I am primarily PVPer. A “Fight” in which the defender has the support of 10 NPCs and various buffs is none. But the majority of PVE Blober sees this of course different. The roll over individual Roamer completely without any skill.

If the defender is afraid to come out of the camp to fight a 1v1 that usually means he is going to be a free bag, even with the npc’s.

And drop the elitist pvp attitude. PvP is all about bunkering and holding points until your team rotates, especially in the current meta. I have run across PvP tournament players that decided to solo queue and I handed them their kitten in fights and I have run across WvW duelists that kicked my kitten .

Some builds completely counter other, the game isn’t balanced around 1v1’s. PvP’ers aren’t better fighters than WvW’ers, you just run into more scrubs while fighting in WvW because you are matched up against another server instead of waiting in queue to fight people closer to your experience level. If you hop into PvP on an alt account you will experience the same thing.

Magira.6390:

Bah, it’s all bad. Roaming is pointless at each camp are defenders, most camps are fully equipped and additionally provided with guild extensions. At Tower (I have previously taken alone) is not to be thought.
The (old) Maps are absolute junk for Roamer, only now I realize how good Desert Borderlands were.
Currently I am on Gandara. Makes a server switch to a less populated Server sense or is it “thanks” World Linking all so bad.

This is wvw, it’s not a small scale players vs small scale players zone. Empty maps are bad because these zones are supposed to be filled. You can still “roam” solo…

Spvp might suit your tastes better…

I don’t mind that there’s more roamers now, the only thing is I’ve seen a dozen Condi PU mesmers since and the usual gank group thieves.

Anyway it’s much better to roam as group, especially as a thief, unless you run into scrubs, you can duel, but some builds have way too much sustain or an advantage, to fight 1v1.

Dueling is not the same as roaming, you have to have awareness, good usage of skills and know when to engage, otherwise it’s pointless, stealth helps too.

Magira.6390:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Magira.6390:

Aeolus.3615:

Magira.6390, get a team a 2 or 3 players, u cant be expecting to do it all alone.

Yes, it looks like this as the end of the solo roaming would come. The World Linking is the kiss of death.

Solo roaming died like 2 years ago where have you been

I played 10 Toons with solo roaming to Elite. Everything since HOT.

Agreed. Solo roaming is alive and well. I’ve played from kitten, experienced old man wins

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

I don’t mind that there’s more roamers now, the only thing is I’ve seen a dozen Condi PU mesmers since. Anyway it’s much better to roam as group, especially as a thief, unless you run into scrubs, you can duel, but some builds have way too much sustain to fight 1v1 .

I mostly solo roam and actively look for duels.
I really haven’t fought anyone using tanky sustain builds (except druids, those i’ll just avoid unless I know they’re a trapper)
Most duelers I think try to improve their personal gameplay, and think cheesy “carried by build” builds don’t help them improve.

But then you have the occasional gank groups who run these builds. don’t take it personally that they bm after ganking you.

The object of a large scale PvP mode in a Massively multiplayer game is to have massive amounts of people playing it with you and against you. You should EXPECT everything to be defended. You should EXPECT to be outnumbered. You should EXPECT to have to avoid the blob and all of these things are what make the game mode great, otherwise it would be PvD lame easy mode and not worth playing at all. These are the obstacles that make it more challenging and fun, not what you should be whining about being too hard…

Even roamers should expect to have to coordinate with the other players on their server with them and strategically strike accordingly. If you are in voice comms with the other players on your server, you should know where they are going to strike and where the enemy is to be able to help you determine the best target for you to hit. If your zerg is hitting one target you hit the opposite side of that target. (For example, you zerg hits Bravost, you hit QL ,since the majority of player will likely be fighting them at bravost instead.)

You have to think about your targets and strike accordingly and yes, at times expect to have to group up and not be able to run around PvD solo on easy mode..

lil devils x.6071:

The object of a large scale PvP mode in a Massively multiplayer game is to have massive amounts of people playing it with you and against you. You should EXPECT everything to be defended. You should EXPECT to be outnumbered. You should EXPECT to have to avoid the blob

Spoken like a zerger. Devil you just provided why you don’t get it. Not everyone likes to be zergling #178987662 but instead like to make a difference. Small maps favor the zergling versus the organized force and/or the havoc or roamer. None stop is not the same as he who has bigger force wins. Massively means you have to choose where to fight not who has the biggest zerg wins. Stop taking 50 to take a camp already, you need 1. We need maps where the right force at the right time make sense. Stop K-Training already. Give us maps where there are fights, but not just he who zergs wins. We lost peeps before because we needed new maps, we are back there even if we gain old peeps that were not sticking around post HoT, which may still notbe HoT.

TheGrimm.5624:

lil devils x.6071:

The object of a large scale PvP mode in a Massively multiplayer game is to have massive amounts of people playing it with you and against you. You should EXPECT everything to be defended. You should EXPECT to be outnumbered. You should EXPECT to have to avoid the blob

Spoken like a zerger. Devil you just provided why you don’t get it. Not everyone likes to be zergling #178987662 but instead like to make a difference. Small maps favor the zergling versus the organized force and/or the havoc or roamer. None stop is not the same as he who has bigger force wins. Massively means you have to choose where to fight not who has the biggest zerg wins. Stop taking 50 to take a camp already, you need 1. We need maps where the right force at the right time make sense. Stop K-Training already. Give us maps where there are fights, but not just he who zergs wins. We lost peeps before because we needed new maps, we are back there even if we gain old peeps that were not sticking around post HoT, which may still notbe HoT.

Did you actually read what devil wrote?
He wasn’t saying you have to zerg things down, he was taking about having map awareness.
If you see somethings being hit, can be by your server or the third, you move to the other side of the map and start hitting something else.
This means if the enemy is blobbing they are going to lose something.

This is what I do every day on alpine. It ends up leading to a lot of capped towers and a lot of small scale fights.

This thread is a bunch of whiners complaining they can’t take free objectives anymore on alpine.

Reverence.6915:

This thread is a bunch of whiners complaining they can’t take free objectives anymore on alpine.

Anyway. ^^

For my style of play, it is definitely too full on Gandara now on weekends and evenings. The Alpine Borderlands are for me – I play WvW intensively only since HoT – clearly a throwback and a tribute to the Blobbers.

Until now, the solution to my problem was simple. The people who are standing on great battles changed to a T1 servers, those who prefer more blank maps changed to a server at a low level.

All were able to indulge in their own style. That’s over now. Blob or die.

TheGrimm.5624:

lil devils x.6071:

The object of a large scale PvP mode in a Massively multiplayer game is to have massive amounts of people playing it with you and against you. You should EXPECT everything to be defended. You should EXPECT to be outnumbered. You should EXPECT to have to avoid the blob

Spoken like a zerger. Devil you just provided why you don’t get it. Not everyone likes to be zergling #178987662 but instead like to make a difference. Small maps favor the zergling versus the organized force and/or the havoc or roamer. None stop is not the same as he who has bigger force wins. Massively means you have to choose where to fight not who has the biggest zerg wins. Stop taking 50 to take a camp already, you need 1. We need maps where the right force at the right time make sense. Stop K-Training already. Give us maps where there are fights, but not just he who zergs wins. We lost peeps before because we needed new maps, we are back there even if we gain old peeps that were not sticking around post HoT, which may still notbe HoT.

I really do not think you read what I wrote… AT ALL.

Being an effective roamer vs someone wandering around aimlessly wasting theirs and everyone else’s time is a BIG difference from being a zergling. It does not matter if it is a large map or small map, you still use what is going on to your benefit. You place yourself where you have the best opportunity to be effective. There are fights everywhere, you just have to know the place to be at the right time.

IF the zerg is hitting SM for example, place yourself between the enemy keep and SM , or between their spawn and SM if you are keeping their keep tapped.. and kill the zerglings trickling back in to the fight. IF the Zerg is hitting Jerrifers, WildCreek or RQ would be good targets.. you just have to know where to be at the right time and use the map and what is happening on it to your benefit. The obstacles such as the blob and more people in the game mode are what make it more fun and challenging because if you could expect to not get face rolled at some point, it would be too easy and boring. without the risks and obstacles, you take away the challenge, strategy and fun of it all.

The only thing the Desert BL accomplished was running off players from the maps, game mode and game all together and increasing the amount of PVD in the game. You want MORE people to play the maps that are in the game not less, and that goes for more roamers as well, why would you want to run around in empty maps? I want to be able to roam effectively on queued maps and increase my bags because that is entirely more fun than PvD..

The blob is like the ghosts on pacman that you do not want to catch you all the while trying to hunt other players roaming as well. It increases the fun and challenge, not decreases it.

Magira.6390:

Reverence.6915:

This thread is a bunch of whiners complaining they can’t take free objectives anymore on alpine.

Anyway. ^^

For my style of play, it is definitely too full on Gandara now on weekends and evenings. The Alpine Borderlands are for me – I play WvW intensively only since HoT – clearly a throwback and a tribute to the Blobbers.

Until now, the solution to my problem was simple. The people who are standing on great battles changed to a T1 servers, those who prefer more blank maps changed to a server at a low level.

All were able to indulge in their own style. That’s over now. Blob or die.

Roaming has never been over, especially not in T1. It has never been a case of " blob or die" as long as you pay attention to what is actually going on. The obvious answer is learn how to roam effectively. The easiest way to know where all the blobs are so you can avoid them is to get on voice comms with your server and listen to what is happening so you can quickly and easily know where would be the best place for you to hit and hear the calls in voice comms letting you know if a zerg is headed your way.

Empty maps were never an intended part of the game design mode, they were a result of it being broken, and players taking advantage of empty maps to cap undefended objectives were pretty much exploiting the broken game mode. Empty maps lose money, and have no place in a massively multiplayer game that is expensive to maintain.

Solo roaming maybe? But group roaming nah.

What you are saying pretty much imply → The reason why desert maps are better because people rarely play them, that’s why you don’t see as much people.

lil devils x.6071:

…and kill the zerglings trickling back in to the fight..

lil devils x.6071:

fun and challenging

Try and work out why when someone wants to roam / do small scale the second quote “fun and challenging” is directly contrary to the first quote, unless the player is a nab.

So, I now testing a custom solution. I switched to Sorrow’s Furnace. The smaller of the low Tier server. And just as important. N/A Server. Blob avoidance by time zone change. ^^

zinkz.7045:

lil devils x.6071:

…and kill the zerglings trickling back in to the fight..

lil devils x.6071:

fun and challenging

Try and work out why when someone wants to roam / do small scale the second quote “fun and challenging” is directly contrary to the first quote, unless the player is a nab.

They have to start somewhere if they think it is blob or die and are complaining about camps being defended and upgraded.

Besides.. Most of the time if you are positioned between spawn and Keep or Keep and SM during a zergfest you will most likely be fighting at least 3 to 1 odds against you since people usually do not die one at a time in a zergfest and they are STILL coming at you in groups ( Still though does not usually make up for their lack of skill even when they outnumber you if they were just one pushed in a zerg).. but your time is limited to get them downed before the next batch come out the gate running back so it is kind of like Galaga where you have to Kill them faster or you get too many… XD.

Magira.6390:

So, I now testing a custom solution. I switched to Sorrow’s Furnace. The smaller of the low Tier server. And just as important. N/A Server. Blob avoidance by time zone change. ^^

May you find many undefended camps to flip and endless hours of exciting duels with NPCs.

I’ve been a Gandara roamer for 3 years and I don’t know what your post was about.