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I’m kind of curious if there is a difference in skill level between low tier roamers and high tier roamers.

the answer is obviously no. what defines skills? tiers? there might be more players in higher tiers increasing chances for having higher percentages of good roamers, but that also increases amounts of players that is equally not as good.

If a good roaming guild for say, t2 or t3 xfered to t8, does that make them any less better when they were on t2/t3.

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

I’ve roamed on a few servers from T1 to T5 mostly with my brother only, and from what I can tell the only real difference is when you get overrun in tier 5, it’s by 3-5 people, in tier 3, by 7-8 people, and in tier 1, it could be 15+ coming at you.

Some of the most frustratingly good players and small guilds I’ve fought against have been in the middle tiers. So no, I don’t think there’s a skill difference. Just a numbers difference.

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

D’oh! There are hard facts available for this topic?

I don’t think there is difference in skill level for higher and lower ranked servers. Sometimes feel like it is hard to find single roamers in higher ranked servers, there are more gank squads that target single roamers. Then again there are probably more soft targets, that are geared and traited for zerg play in higher ranked server, which would give impression (videos etc.) that higher ranked server has more skilled roamers.

You will be surprise that some extremely good soloers actually chose to play in lower tier simple because they hate zerging. So yea.

Basically boils down to more individual skill at lower tiers, more group skill at higher tiers.

I don’t think there would be much difference, as you are talking about a personal skill – and that is not related to number of people playing.

In my experience when facing higher tier servers there seem to be less single roamers, but I believe that is because there are simply a lot more people. If you imagine that on high tier there are like 15+ potential roamers + a zerg per map, the math shows you most often will face small groups than a single player, because some will choose the same targets.

Not much difference in skill except in tier 1 we have to learn how not to get too greedy because a zerg could be right around the corner.

Fuzzion.2504:

Not much difference in skill except in tier 1 we have to learn how not to get too greedy because a zerg could be right around the corner.

Roamers in higher tiers learn to handle larger groups better then those that play in lower tiers, so the mindset of how to approach fights will be different.

For example; A player from a lower tier would probably be less likely to be spotted near orange swords as to where players in the higher tiers will stalk zergs just to see how many they could kitten off.

Also I think the pace is a lot faster in the higher tiers due to the amount of people and due to that you need to have a bit more awareness. If you aren’t aware of what’s going on around you, higher tiers can be really frustrating.

Roe.3679:

I’ve roamed on a few servers from T1 to T5 mostly with my brother only, and from what I can tell the only real difference is when you get overrun in tier 5, it’s by 3-5 people,

Getting overrun 2vs5 is not a sign of good roaming.

In high tiers there’s more to choose from. More low skill players, more high skill players I would say.

I haven’t really seen much “roaming” in the higher tiers though. As far as I’m concerned, if you have more than 4-5 people who run somewhjat organized, you should be taking on 10-15 man pug groups instead of ganking single players and random uplevel guys.

Something I notice about most high tier players is that they take comfort in their numbers, outmanning the enemy and always expect to have back-up.

I’ve played as a roamer for the majority of my WvW gaming time. A little while back I mostly dropped that for team/guild play. Ive played from bottom to top. Some of the best roamers are in low tiers. Overall I would say low tier players are actually better than high tiers. OFC, plenty of exceptions, but just on average.

I spend 90% of my WvW solo roaming. I have played both EU and NA in the higher tiers (and mid tiers on EU up to higher tiers). Here’s what I’ve seen:

- high tier NA relies on numbers for pretty much everything. It’s become rote way of playing so while there are roamers in the higher tiers, they are fewer and far between compared to other server tiers. I have actually had players engage me in a fight in the higher NA tiers, then run away when it appears they are losing, way more often than fighting a lower tier server. It was disappointing, because it happened over and over and over again.

-EU has more roamers. Period. Even in the higher tiers. There are still zergs on maps, but you will find waaaaay more players willing to 1v1 (and if others come upon you during the 1v1 they respect it and leave you to fight), than you will in NA. Bonus: They fight to the death, so you can learn from your mistakes or they can learn from theirs, and improve.

Now the NA WvW climate is slowly changing, starting to emulate/keep pace with EU servers, especially in relaxing about things like GvGs etc… and slowly more people are getting out and roaming to test out their skills, but after spending a week in NA to visit and watching so many high ranked players run away from a fight, I couldn’t wait to get back to EU.

Zumy.6318:

Roe.3679:

I’ve roamed on a few servers from T1 to T5 mostly with my brother only, and from what I can tell the only real difference is when you get overrun in tier 5, it’s by 3-5 people,

Getting overrun 2vs5 is not a sign of good roaming.

I’m sorry, but what are you getting at with this post? Is it that we shouldn’t have been caught roaming around? Or that we should have killed 5 players? Both situations can happen from time to time, usually when trying to cap a camp.

Gully.7358:

Fuzzion.2504:

Not much difference in skill except in tier 1 we have to learn how not to get too greedy because a zerg could be right around the corner.

Roamers in higher tiers learn to handle larger groups better then those that play in lower tiers, so the mindset of how to approach fights will be different.

For example; A player from a lower tier would probably be less likely to be spotted near orange swords as to where players in the higher tiers will stalk zergs just to see how many they could kitten off.

Also I think the pace is a lot faster in the higher tiers due to the amount of people and due to that you need to have a bit more awareness. If you aren’t aware of what’s going on around you, higher tiers can be really frustrating.

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insanemaniac.2456:

Gully.7358:

Fuzzion.2504:

Not much difference in skill except in tier 1 we have to learn how not to get too greedy because a zerg could be right around the corner.

Roamers in higher tiers learn to handle larger groups better then those that play in lower tiers, so the mindset of how to approach fights will be different.

For example; A player from a lower tier would probably be less likely to be spotted near orange swords as to where players in the higher tiers will stalk zergs just to see how many they could kitten off.

Also I think the pace is a lot faster in the higher tiers due to the amount of people and due to that you need to have a bit more awareness. If you aren’t aware of what’s going on around you, higher tiers can be really frustrating.

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Gully.7358:

Fuzzion.2504:

Not much difference in skill except in tier 1 we have to learn how not to get too greedy because a zerg could be right around the corner.

Roamers in higher tiers learn to handle larger groups better then those that play in lower tiers, so the mindset of how to approach fights will be different.

For example; A player from a lower tier would probably be less likely to be spotted near orange swords as to where players in the higher tiers will stalk zergs just to see how many they could kitten off.

Also I think the pace is a lot faster in the higher tiers due to the amount of people and due to that you need to have a bit more awareness. If you aren’t aware of what’s going on around you, higher tiers can be really frustrating.

We run across orange swords all the time in lower tiers too, and we do the same thing with them. As someone who has played on nearly all the servers (even Blackgate) I can tell you the skill of roamers (or anyone) has nothing to do with tiers. In fact a lot of solo and small group roamers have played on both high/low tiers and transferred around.

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

dreztina.4820:

Basically boils down to more individual skill at lower tiers, more group skill at higher tiers.

Heh.

FrownyClown.8402:

I’m kind of curious if there is a difference in skill level between low tier roamers and high tier roamers.

There is definitely a lack of roamers in NA T1 as far as quantity goes. As for general skill difference between the people who do roam in T1 versus those who do in lower tiers, I would say there is none.

For example, my friends from Invidious were on Blackgate for a long time as a small roaming group. Before the random matchups patch, they went to T8 where very skilled roaming groups like BS, PAXA, Oink, etc. were building a 5v5v5 community spread out over the three tier 8 servers. At first they had some problems beating PAXA, but eventually they figured out a group comp and strategies to compete with them. They just had to make some adjustments, basically.

Tyaen.5148:

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

dreztina.4820:

Basically boils down to more individual skill at lower tiers, more group skill at higher tiers.

Heh.

As someone else pointed out, what else would you expect for this subject?

well like when i fight against T1 servers they are all horrible roamers so I kind of figured lower tiers might be more fun since I like to roam.

Darek.1836:

insanemaniac.2456:

Gully.7358:

Fuzzion.2504:

Not much difference in skill except in tier 1 we have to learn how not to get too greedy because a zerg could be right around the corner.

Roamers in higher tiers learn to handle larger groups better then those that play in lower tiers, so the mindset of how to approach fights will be different.

For example; A player from a lower tier would probably be less likely to be spotted near orange swords as to where players in the higher tiers will stalk zergs just to see how many they could kitten off.

Also I think the pace is a lot faster in the higher tiers due to the amount of people and due to that you need to have a bit more awareness. If you aren’t aware of what’s going on around you, higher tiers can be really frustrating.

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FrownyClown.8402:

well like when i fight against T1 servers they are all horrible roamers so I kind of figured lower tiers might be more fun since I like to roam.

I used to be on Maguuma. When it was a middle tier server, it was great. Decent amount of roamers on most of the servers we were matched against. Then the population blew up and it became a t2/t3 server. The roaming went completely downhill. There were very few roamers on those servers, and most of them were bad, which is why I transferred to DR. There are definitely far more roamers and the level of competition is much higher. The downside is that it can be pretty dead at times, especially with the Living Story crap.

If you are serious about small scale roaming, then absolutely transfer. I would recommend going to one of the middle tier servers though, not one of the lowest. It will provide a better balance of action and competition.

FrownyClown.8402:

well like when i fight against T1 servers they are all horrible roamers so I kind of figured lower tiers might be more fun since I like to roam.

You got to remember a lot of players in T1 build for zergs and large fights. (as we know its much more common) so most the time you will find that random guy that lost his herd. Also when a T1 server is blowing out the other servers, a lot of our fair weather players come out to get a taste of WvW. I’m not saying we don’t have bad roamers because every server does, but it’s less common to get good 1v1 fights in T1. (well at least uninterrupted 1v1s)

roamers are better in higher tiers than lower tiers in my experience

There are skilled roamers in all tiers. I think lower tiers are more fun because you aren’t as likely to get zerged. Either there are more skilled players in lower tiers or they are easier to find. I also had harder time determining the skill of of players in T1 because I would end up zerging them down or get zerged down. I’d start a fight and people would jump in on both sides.

I’ve been roaming since the game came out and most of that time on Dragonbrand which has been relatively high tier for a long time and i’ve been thinking about this lately, my friends and I agree.. the higher tier servers JQ/Blackgate/SoR/TC(omg especially TC) are the worst roaming servers, very little presence of small groups, almost impossible to find a good small scale fight, fighting a server like for example maguuma is much more fun for us and i’ve been thinking about transferring to get a little further away from the boring tier 1 servers who seem to do nothing but zerg, hope the new patch changes help break them up and get them out of the mothership.

Interesting to hear what people think.. very curious about how it is in the mid range.

FrownyClown.8402:

well like when i fight against T1 servers they are all horrible roamers so I kind of figured lower tiers might be more fun since I like to roam.

You’ve faced a grand total of one single “tier 1 server” which is JQ and isn’t really a t1 server in terms of skill outside of waha’s loyal following which makes up one half of what keeps JQ afloat (the other half being dedication to serving SoR).
Furthermore, “roaming” on JQ amounts to no less than 10 baddies (half of which are gimmickstab glass thieves) blobbing together that do nothing but look for solo players who are traveling to a destination to gank and then pretend they’re any good at all and pretend that they don’tneed to take their garbage back to spvp where it belongs. In order to run into anything less than that is to run into some greenhorn hoping to freely PvSupply Camp.

So don’t go on thinking you know t1 or t1 roaming just because you’ve killed a few baddies on the cancer server of t1.

Speaking as someone who’s been in Tier 8, and 1, the learning curve is generally higher in Tier 1.

However, when my guild was in tier 8, we had to do things creatively to get anything worth while- you never have a decent zerg in ET- so you use havoc squads.

Now that knowledge I learned in ET is applied when I play in JQ- they certainly zerg much more- but small groups are a lot more present then you think. Last night my havoc squad happened to take out the walls of Red Bay, and came in to cap it, along with a few stragglers.

Tier 1 servers care very much about their WvW, we constantly recruit guilds from lower tiers, and bring them up to keep up with the other tier 1’s and keep the server healthy. My guild was recruited by Jade Quarry, and we were in a tier 8 server, they liked us because we had a good approach, and could get things done without a zerg.

But tier 1 isn’t for everyone- some people don’t like it and actually go the opposite way, and try to build upon the worst WvW servers. Which is good- because then they can grow stronger too.

I’m sure there are good roamers in all tiers but from my experience on Northern Shiverpeaks (currently t16), I can honestly say that the general skill level of our wvw player base is higher than the average skill level of the opponents that we most often face. I’m not saying that the players on other servers we face are ALL bad or “all the other guys do is zerg us waaa” so don’t start getting all kitten y. I’m just saying that players on our tier, and specifically NSP, are tough and we have a good number of respected roamers.

Boom.6148:

I’m sure there are good roamers in all tiers but from my experience on Northern Shiverpeaks (currently t16), I can honestly say that the general skill level of our wvw player base is higher than the average skill level of the opponents that we most often face. I’m not saying that the players on other servers we face are ALL bad or “all the other guys do is zerg us waaa” so don’t start getting all kitten y. I’m just saying that players on our tier, and specifically NSP, are tough and we have a good number of respected roamers.

I’m on Yak’s and I’ve had fun fighting you guys so far. I notice the solo roamers are mostly quite decent from both NS and SI servers. The zerg fighting bores me to tears with the heavy condi meta game so I enjoy seeing other great opponents just roaming around in groups of 2 or 3.

@OP No. The roamers are not really better in any tier. You have good ones and bad ones.

The main difference between T1 and lower tiers is around the number of people and the coordination of those greater numbers.

I’ve thrown down with the roamers of many servers from match ups against Jade Quarry to ones against Kaineng.

The best roamers I ever had the privilege of fighting against were on Kaineng. This is likely because Kaineng was the last grand band wagon just before the servers went to paid transfers…actually they band wagoned because of the paid transfers. That aside, some of the most competitive, mechanics competent, and dedicated players ended up there. Unfortunately the meta for winning in WvW isn’t skill based, it’s all in the numbers and coverage, and with that many people looking for fights and not playing according to the meta you have Kaineng; a rank 15 server with some dangerous roamers left over from it’s glory days before the biggest guild and commanders on their server jumped ship or quit.

Against those who share my tier (FA and DB) I pit my odds while roaming at about 75% success, against SoR I’d bet on 85% (JQ around 80%), but against KN it’s probably a solid 50/50 odds I’m gonna get !@#% stomped.

I think when players get to accustomed to playing in the zerg, no matter how good they may have been, they forget the technical precision of how to play their class and become easy prey for strong roamers. Just turns their brains to mush and then they leak loot bags all over my inventory.

Jayne.9251:

I spend 90% of my WvW solo roaming. I have played both EU and NA in the higher tiers (and mid tiers on EU up to higher tiers). Here’s what I’ve seen:

- high tier NA relies on numbers for pretty much everything. It’s become rote way of playing so while there are roamers in the higher tiers, they are fewer and far between compared to other server tiers. I have actually had players engage me in a fight in the higher NA tiers, then run away when it appears they are losing, way more often than fighting a lower tier server. It was disappointing, because it happened over and over and over again.

-EU has more roamers. Period. Even in the higher tiers. There are still zergs on maps, but you will find waaaaay more players willing to 1v1 (and if others come upon you during the 1v1 they respect it and leave you to fight), than you will in NA. Bonus: They fight to the death, so you can learn from your mistakes or they can learn from theirs, and improve.

Now the NA WvW climate is slowly changing, starting to emulate/keep pace with EU servers, especially in relaxing about things like GvGs etc… and slowly more people are getting out and roaming to test out their skills, but after spending a week in NA to visit and watching so many high ranked players run away from a fight, I couldn’t wait to get back to EU.

You make me want to move to EU, because your description of NA is spot on and EU sounds like exactly what I am looking for.

Not really except in Tier 1 they like to brings numbers when they fight you. Half my experiences are something along the lines of:

Find a solid 1v1, 1v2, I’m doing pretty well

Halfway into the fight, another guy comes in, that’s fine, I can handle 3

A minute later – now it’s a 1v10. How did that happen?

Next second I’m on the ground and they’re all /laughing at how bad I am

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

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It terms of 1vs1 combat probably not much difference in terms of skill.

Higher tier servers most likely require more awareness of what’s happening on the map so they don’t get run over.
You could also say however higher tier servers run more stealth/mobility to escape those situations, which could hinder direct combat.

roaming in higher tiers? good joke
the amount of roaming is inversely proportional to how high you are in the rank

Doomdesire.9365:

Not really except in Tier 1 they like to brings numbers when they fight you. Half my experiences are something along the lines of:

Find a solid 1v1, 1v2, I’m doing pretty well

Halfway into the fight, another guy comes in, that’s fine, I can handle 3

A minute later – now it’s a 1v10. How did that happen?

Next second I’m on the ground and they’re all /laughing at how bad I am

Yep. This is exactly it. I was so happy to find even 4v1 when I went back a week to see how TC did when it finally hit Tier 1.

The rest of the time, if they didn’t have the nearby zerg (even small one of 10), if they were losing, they’d bail and run away. Even 4v1. Drove me batty.

I played on WSR for a long time and transfered up to GH a few weeks ago. I know GH is only a mid-tier server, but its a big jump from WSR.

Roaming wise the skill level is more or less the same I find. WSR fought (mostly) lower population servers, so there were fewer people about most of the day and solo or duo roaming was more common, whereas in GH its far more common to encounter roaming groups than solo roamers.

Thats about the only difference I see.

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oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

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Omne.4603:

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

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Do you guys base that on previous anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias? =)

We played Piken (3rd on the ladder EU) and Vizuna (#2EU) and they both run as a single gigantic zerg. That’s all. If you want to call that “Roaming”, I think it’s a misnomer myself.

In the mid-tiers you get lots of guild-only groups. It’s a lot more fun.

Be more than glad to duel you. Have been looking for more volunteers all week. Just whisper me in game. I’m on Piken.

Oh wait, you’re not even in the maps to know … Haha, nevermind.

All servers have good roamers except Maguuma.

Any solo roamer from jq and sor duel me. I solo roam at night after 6 est time. I just came back from 2 month vacation and I can’t find a single great roamer from these 2 servers yet. There used to be a bunch from JQ and a few from SOR but apparently they all left or just joined the zerg.

The hardest part of roaming in teir 1 is the fact more often then not your going to get more people that wander into your fights. Small maps and capped numbers will just do that.