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I’ve never dueled, so correct me if I’m wrong, but i believe you /bow to each other before the fight and don’t stomp if you down the person, letting them get back up.
I have a really hard time determining who is and isn’t dueling, so usually I just run on past small fights unless there uneven.
If they attacked you without bowing it isn’t a duel.
The 1 guy staying out of it was just giving you a fair fight instead of ganking you.
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They need to do something about duelling; I randomly run across map, see two people fighting and then I have to choose whether to help the guy from my team or keep running cause it might be a duel. If I intervene and turns out it’s a duel, then people get salty and complain. If I keep running and it turns out it’s not actually a duel and I didn’t help my teammate then I get complains again.
I know there are duel areas, but it’s really ridiculous when on battleground map you need to be careful not to ruin someone’s duel. Especially if there are zergs and some roamers running around and you hit them with siege and it turns out some of them were duelling.
They need to do something about duelling; I randomly run across map, see two people fighting and then I have to choose whether to help the guy from my team or keep running cause it might be a duel. If I intervene and turns out it’s a duel, then people get salty and complain. If I keep running and it turns out it’s not actually a duel and I didn’t help my teammate then I get complains again.
I know there are duel areas, but it’s really ridiculous when on battleground map you need to be careful not to ruin someone’s duel. Especially if there are zergs and some roamers running around and you hit them with siege and it turns out some of them were duelling.
So and what do you want to do? Replace all people in wvw with npcs?
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No. Give people option to duel somewhere else. Another map without any real objectives.
There are more ideas that would solve this.
If I keep running and it turns out it’s not actually a duel and I didn’t help my teammate then I get complains again.
Then tell them kitten you.
Anyone running outside a zerg with a build/class that cant 1v1 yet get into that 1v1 without running away has themselves to blaim. Could they die anyway? Sure. That’s how the game is played. If it was a good fight nothing else matter.
Simple thing to look for – if people are seemingly in a 1v1 fight yet at the same time your ally is running toward you like a scared rabbit then maybe you just could help him.
If I keep running and it turns out it’s not actually a duel and I didn’t help my teammate then I get complains again.
Then tell them kitten you.
Yeah, that’s nice solution.
There are a few indicators that people are duelling /bow (I mean it, duellers, do that!), they’re around SM but not attacking anything.
When I came to my server 1,5 years ago I assumed that they knew how to fight (which was true back then) and left all 1 vs 1 alone.
Nowadays it’s very rare to meet single enemies anyway. In case someone thinks that everytime he ganks a single enemy is a duel *cough and yells at me because I dared to spank, then so be it – I don’t care. If I know though it’s a duel I don’t interfere – why would I?! My buddy and I are duelling in wvw as well. Of more use for my server than if I were put into another map as I’m still there to defend our stuff.
If I keep running and it turns out it’s not actually a duel and I didn’t help my teammate then I get complains again.
Then tell them kitten you.
Yeah, that’s nice solution.
If people willing to duel just outside lets say garri portal and be interupted, kitten them. Loads of spots you can duel at without anyone bothering to get close to ya, unless looking for one ofcourse.
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You can hate me or not, I don’t care whether it’s a duel or not. In 1v1 cases I always assume my ally is getting ganked and needs help. If you want to duel, get out of public space, there’s plenty of space out of public use, not to mention Obsidian Sanctum arena.
If you see two people fighting, they might be dueling… So your call there.
Every other situation kill everyone. It is their choice if they don’t attack.
If they are “dueling” in a high profile area that’s a risk they take not yours by any means. If they really wanted to be reasonably let alone they would go to the obsidian sanctum and duel there. If you see a server mate fighting another and they don’t indicate that they are dueling go ahead and wipe out the instigator nothing wrong with that it is wvw not duel vs duel.
If they are “dueling” in a high profile area that’s a risk they take not yours by any means. If they really wanted to be reasonably let alone they would go to the obsidian sanctum and duel there. If you see a server mate fighting another and they don’t indicate that they are dueling go ahead and wipe out the instigator nothing wrong with that it is wvw not duel vs duel.
Personally I prefer people not interrupting my 1v1’s whether it’s a duel or not.
If I see a fair fight I usually won’t interrupt unless I recognize the opponent and it’s someone that deserves to be ganked.
And by fair I mean fair. If it’s someone on a roaming build hitting a zergling I’m going to jump in.
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dueling is always done in same spot it either on vista island or behind south camp.
dueling is always done in same spot it either on vista island or behind south camp.
Worst part, not all people keep to this rule, I got yelled at two or three times after interrupting what turned out to be a duel, between Bay and Garrison. In home border.
Another story, I was struggling with a very good herald (again, near home garri), an ally was standing and watching me slowly losing, I threw Elixir S and asked if he can help me, I got an answer ’it’s a duel’.
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Another story, I was struggling with a very good herald (again, near home garri), an ally was standing and watching me slowly losing, I threw Elixir S and asked if he can help me, I got an answer ’it’s a duel’.
Well the question is… was it? Because if it was then asking for help just because you are loosing is pretty much the most cowardly thing you can do. Sure, most people wont care and will happily go 2v1 (or more commonly, 10v1 and flee if its less than 3v1) but some will let you deal with it. Even a spontanous random duel is still a duel to those people, you should never rely on assistance even if a 50 man zerg is next to you.
Do whatever you feel is right. Though personally I will stop attacking if I’m having some decent fight in the middle of nowhere, and 4-5 people decide a spike is worth the chase. On the other hand, if you fight near an objective, especially a big one, that’s pretty much the equivalent of playing on the highway and you don’t have any expectation of privacy. Personally, I don’t interfere when 2 consenting adults do things out of the public eye. Whoops… yea!
Usually it’s rather clear but if not I put ???? in say chat when things are nonstandard; ala they’re not attacking each other or w/e. Usually I get some commentary on how much of a nub the other person is and they’re stalemated. People really love to share. Just ask!
There are sometimes I will +1 and that is if I know the servermate/friend there is a z... not suited for roaming and it was highly unlikely that they’d be doing it. On the other hand, if I know my friend is a leeroy, then I’m just going to leave them to their own devices. xD There are also cases where I know that enemy has a tendency to +1 or has friends that inevitably join in when their buddy is losing so I know it’s a farce anyways.
Incidentally, I’ve gotten yelled at more for not helping 3v1 or (even worse) some guy. I have better things to do with my life usually.
I don’t know. I get that all’s fair so I can’t really judge people that disagree. But I consider an obsession with adding more numbers to make things worse. So you have a 1v1 and 2 people splat the 1 guy, so now the other person always brings 2 buddies as backup. So they travel as groups of 3 and that encourages solo players that encounter this group to also call for backup against this, and then other side calls for even more numbers as “backup” and then so on and so on. How should I term this? Mutually assured blobbing. This starts an endless cycle of blobbing and all of a sudden you get 30 people “havoc” and nobody wants to fight unless they have a map queue.
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Ok, Sounds like a simple question but it is not. Mainly due to the wide ranging opinions.
My take is as follows;
Firstly, If I have no time or am given no warning indication by my team mate, I step in.
If I am then given an indication I stop attacking and move on.
If the enemy kills me with my player helping or not I move on.
( do not assume you will get help)
If the allied player abuses me, I put them on block and move on.
Please note, once blocked you can no longer let me know it is a duel and best move to the duelling areas I avoid.
The mileage varies for each player, if I am in an 1v1 , arranged or otherwise I will attempt to tolerate the actions of any allies, whatever they may choose to do.
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yak rule of thumb is if you cant 1v10 you got no chance in WvW XD
I guess I’m talking about duels.
Today I was just trying to do dailies and was killing a guard. Two people came up and started fighting. Well I fought back.
I’m not very good so I thought I would die.
Amazingly, I got one person in a down state. But I noticed the other person was not doing anything.
I finished the one person and was not sure what to do next…so I attacked…..lol I quickly died.
I guess what I’m thinking… either both or one wanted to challenge me in a fair fight or not.
Anyhow how do I know how I should react in a situation like this?
It’s not uncommon for me (and people I sometimes run with) to even the odds a bit in the scenario you described. So, for example, one of us might stop fighting you’re not in a 1v2. Or, another common scenario, we notice you’re probably just getting dailies, or a new player, or something, and most of us decide to let you carry on but one person takes the, “better dead than red” attitude.
In terms of protocol, there is none really. If it was the first scenario, the person who held back may decide to spike you since you actually spiked the other guy (given they let you off). On the other hand, I’d totally let a buddy get spiked, and may even cheer the spiker, in the second scenario.
Dueling. You definitely weren’t in a duel based on what you described. But others seem to be talking about stumbling across other peoples’ duels for some reason. In that case, do what you want, but know that most duelers understand that getting inadvertently interrupted is bound to happen. Keep an eye on map chat to see if your ally is saying it’s a duel, or if there’s been any /bow emotes. If there are spectators, it’s a duel, etc.
If you attack, watch the behaviour. Is the person you’re attacking fighting back or kiting you? Is your ally still fighting the guy you’re attacking? Those are important indicators.
Finally, I’d say most people won’t spike you if you interrupted their duel and they downed you unless you were given plenty of warning and just kept going (or they think you interrupted deliberately).
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Ok, Sounds like a simple question but it is not. Mainly due to the wide ranging opinions.
My take is as follows;
Firstly, If I have no time or am given no warning indication by my team mate, I step in.
If I am then given an indication I stop attacking and move on.
If the enemy kills me with my player helping or not I move on.
( do not assume you will get help)If the allied player abuses me, I put them on block and move on.
Please note, once blocked you can no longer let me know it is a duel and best move to the duelling areas I avoid.
The mileage varies for each player, if I am in an 1v1 , arranged or otherwise I will attempt to tolerate the actions of any allies, whatever they may choose to do.
Sounds fair. If someone is salty they don’t deserve any consideration.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
I guess I’m talking about duels.
Today I was just trying to do dailies and was killing a guard. Two people came up and started fighting. Well I fought back.
I’m not very good so I thought I would die.
Amazingly, I got one person in a down state. But I noticed the other person was not doing anything.
I finished the one person and was not sure what to do next…so I attacked…..lol I quickly died.
I guess what I’m thinking… either both or one wanted to challenge me in a fair fight or not.
Anyhow how do I know how I should react in a situation like this?
sounded like they were dueling near you and u jumped in and killed 1 of them, and the other stopped fighting when u jumped in. Then after he killed you out of revenge for interrupting the duel.
I wouldn’t really worry about it. if they were close to you as u killed a guard….then they were probably too close to an objective anyways for safe dueling. Just do what you want in the future, if they don’t attack you…..don’t attack them (or the opposite if you plz doesn’t matter).
If you happen upon 2 people fighting in a more secluded spot and it looks like a duel….just let them fight though. Its rude to interrupt them in that scenario.
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If they attacked you without bowing it isn’t a duel.
The 1 guy staying out of it was just giving you a fair fight instead of ganking you.
This.
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If I see a teammate in a 1v1 and they’re doing ok I won’t jump in duel or no unless they run towards me or try to disengage. Good 1v1s are hard enough to find and they don’t need me tagging their win for a bag.
Dueling in stupid places is like playing on the freeway.
There are a few places around sm that usually have duels going on. I’m usually mindful of those and even stop to watch sometimes when the map is boring.
This whole discussion about duels and so many morally ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ things people should consider when in WvW just proves the point that duels shouldn’t happen in WvW map.
Suggestion like: “if you see people bow it’s duel” is useless if you run into 2 people already fighting.
It’s a battleground – red it’s hostile.
Sure there are ‘spots’ that are kinda known duel spots, but why should everyone playing WvW care about that and keep in mind and always have dilemma whether to jump in to some fight or not when passing those areas?
This whole discussion about duels and so many morally ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ things people should consider when in WvW just proves the point that duels shouldn’t happen in WvW map.
Suggestion like: “if you see people bow it’s duel” is useless if you run into 2 people already fighting.
It’s a battleground – red it’s hostile.
Sure there are ‘spots’ that are kinda known duel spots, but why should everyone playing WvW care about that and keep in mind and always have dilemma whether to jump in to some fight or not when passing those areas?
If you can’t respect another player’s way of playing wvw, why should they respect yours?
Why should everyone care about flipping towers or keeps?
If it’s not affecting your game play, leave them be.
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This whole discussion about duels and so many morally ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ things people should consider when in WvW just proves the point that duels shouldn’t happen in WvW map.
Suggestion like: “if you see people bow it’s duel” is useless if you run into 2 people already fighting.
It’s a battleground – red it’s hostile.
Sure there are ‘spots’ that are kinda known duel spots, but why should everyone playing WvW care about that and keep in mind and always have dilemma whether to jump in to some fight or not when passing those areas?
If you can’t respect another player’s way of playing wvw, why should they respect yours?
Why should everyone care about flipping towers or keeps?
If it’s not affecting your game play, leave them be.
Since you put it this way, then if there’s someone not respecting someone then it’s duellers taking spots on map that is about flipping towers and keeps and generally making confusion among some players passing by. It’s affecting everyone’s gameplay on map, if we gonna go so far.
This whole discussion about duels and so many morally ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ things people should consider when in WvW just proves the point that duels shouldn’t happen in WvW map.
Suggestion like: “if you see people bow it’s duel” is useless if you run into 2 people already fighting.
It’s a battleground – red it’s hostile.
Sure there are ‘spots’ that are kinda known duel spots, but why should everyone playing WvW care about that and keep in mind and always have dilemma whether to jump in to some fight or not when passing those areas?
If you can’t respect another player’s way of playing wvw, why should they respect yours? Are they throwing themselves against empty tower gates and preventing you from using your rams?
Why should everyone care about flipping towers or keeps? Are they throwing themselves against empty tower gates and blocking your rams?
If it’s not affecting your game play, leave them be.
Since you put it this way, then if there’s someone not respecting someone then it’s duellers taking spots on map that is about flipping towers and keeps and generally making confusion among some players passing by. It’s affecting everyone’s gameplay on map, if we gonna go so far.
How so? They’re not flipping towers, they leave you to do that to your heart’s content. And you can no longer claim they’re taking up map space.
So praytell, how are they preventing you, personally, from playing how you like?
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This whole discussion about duels and so many morally ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ things people should consider when in WvW just proves the point that duels shouldn’t happen in WvW map.
Suggestion like: “if you see people bow it’s duel” is useless if you run into 2 people already fighting.
It’s a battleground – red it’s hostile.
Sure there are ‘spots’ that are kinda known duel spots, but why should everyone playing WvW care about that and keep in mind and always have dilemma whether to jump in to some fight or not when passing those areas?
If you can’t respect another player’s way of playing wvw, why should they respect yours? Are they throwing themselves against empty tower gates and preventing you from using your rams?
Why should everyone care about flipping towers or keeps? Are they throwing themselves against empty tower gates and blocking your rams?
If it’s not affecting your game play, leave them be.
Since you put it this way, then if there’s someone not respecting someone then it’s duellers taking spots on map that is about flipping towers and keeps and generally making confusion among some players passing by. It’s affecting everyone’s gameplay on map, if we gonna go so far.
How so? They’re not flipping towers, they leave you to do that to your heart’s content. And you can no longer claim they’re taking up map space.
So praytell, how are they preventing you, personally, from playing how you like?
Also, they are keeping some people from flipping your precious objectives by keeping them entertained in duels. It’s a win/win situation and I don’t see why would anyone complain about it.
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Just the other day I was dueling on a bl that had maybe four from one server and six from another, and it was just me from our side until a buddy showed up to watch.
That’s ten enemies on a bl not taking our stuff for an hour for the paltry investment of one (and eventually two) roamers. Pretty good deal for our side, I’d say.
What sort of extra contribution do you think one or two extra people in a blob makes? Bet it’s not as high as keeping 10 enemies out of commission for over an hour….
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