Guild Wars 2

i’ll begin with my server, Crystal Desert .

if CD win this match up, there are 2 possible match ups depending on other (most likely) results :
1) YB-DB-CD (if DB beat NSP in week 3)
2) YB-NSP-CD (if NSP beat DB in week 3)

if CD take 2nd in this match up, there are also 2 possible match ups depending on other (most likely) results :
1) DB- CD-DR (if NSP beat DB in week 3)
2) NSP-CD-DR (if DB beat NSP in week 3)

Didn’t they say that every match will be unique in the sense that no server can face the same two server both together again?

//Edit: I think Silver league should be included in the title to make it precise.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Didn’t they say that every match will be unique in the sense that no server can face the same two server both together again?

//Edit: I think Silver league should be included in the title to make it precise.

not really because the tournament is using Swiss style system, more or less like in season 2 but with different weighting/point for 1st,2nd and 3rd place for every match up. this season the tournament is using 5-3-2 point system….

azizul.8469:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Didn’t they say that every match will be unique in the sense that no server can face the same two server both together again?

//Edit: I think Silver league should be included in the title to make it precise.

not really because the tournament is using Swiss style system, more or less like in season 2 but with different weighting/point for 1st,2nd and 3rd place for every match up. this season the tournament is using 5-3-2 point system….

Yep, I know that but again I am a bit confused about their vague statements they make. They definitely said a server can face another server twice/thrice in the tournament but perplexed about whether we can have the exact same match once again… (Eg. YB/DB/CD in week 4)

I heard the same thing but i dont know until final week. This season has been vague to begin with.

so can ANET clarify whether the final week will still follow the Swiss system, or there will be some intervention ?

5/3/2 instead of 5/3/1 was the intervention. that and reducing the tournament to only 4 weeks. these 2 changes make repeat matchups less likely (but still possible).

ArenaNet’s claim was only that repeats would be reduced, not that they would be completely eliminated (at least, after clarification that’s what it was).

under the old scoring, coming in first then third was worth the same number of points as coming in second twice (5+1 = 3+3). this led to a situation very similar to WULD (winner up loser down) matchmaking, which naturally leads to repeats.

-ken

Here’s the text of the WvW Season announcement:

The shorter format will ensure that worlds will not be repeatedly matched against one another, which will more closely resemble a true Swiss-style tournament. Each matchup will be unique, and every win—or upset—will make a huge difference!

The emphasis is mine but unless they have changed their mind or clarified that this wording is incorrect then I can only assume that each matchup will be unique. Meaning there will be no repeat matches.

Well, it seems it is possible for the same matchups to occure:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Clarification-for-fall-tournament-matchups/first#post4422718

DevonCarver.5370:

Naga.1805:

Oh right, I remember that now. So if it is Swiss style, then the next match up in Silver and Bronze leagues will be based on how everyone finished this week. So all first place finishers will matchup, all second place will matchup as well as all third place?

Week 3 will then have the possibility of playing against a server that we met in week 1 or 2 right?

It is swiss style, that is correct. Certainly worlds might get matched up against one another more than once, but the nature of the matchmaking is going to minimize that, especially in conjunction with the 4 week timeframe.

Nauda.3678:

Well, it seems it is possible for the same matchups to occure:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Clarification-for-fall-tournament-matchups/first#post4422718

DevonCarver.5370:

Naga.1805:

Oh right, I remember that now. So if it is Swiss style, then the next match up in Silver and Bronze leagues will be based on how everyone finished this week. So all first place finishers will matchup, all second place will matchup as well as all third place?

Week 3 will then have the possibility of playing against a server that we met in week 1 or 2 right?

It is swiss style, that is correct. Certainly worlds might get matched up against one another more than once, but the nature of the matchmaking is going to minimize that, especially in conjunction with the 4 week timeframe.

What Devon said was that we might get matched against a server whom we already faced. For eg. We faced DB in week 1 and in week 3.

No where Devon said that the whole match will repeat which stands by the original point they made in the blog post that every match will he unique.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Nauda.3678:

Well, it seems it is possible for the same matchups to occure:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Clarification-for-fall-tournament-matchups/first#post4422718

DevonCarver.5370:

Naga.1805:

Oh right, I remember that now. So if it is Swiss style, then the next match up in Silver and Bronze leagues will be based on how everyone finished this week. So all first place finishers will matchup, all second place will matchup as well as all third place?

Week 3 will then have the possibility of playing against a server that we met in week 1 or 2 right?

It is swiss style, that is correct. Certainly worlds might get matched up against one another more than once, but the nature of the matchmaking is going to minimize that, especially in conjunction with the 4 week timeframe.

What Devon said was that we might get matched against a server whom we already faced. For eg. We faced DB in week 1 and in week 3.

No where Devon said that the whole match will repeat which stands by the original point they made in the blog post that every match will he unique.

What does “every match will be unique” really mean?
Of course every match will be unique, it happen at different times in a different situation, once as start match once as final match of the season, even if the same server play it i.e. a typical advertisement statement in an advertisement text: nice words without much content.

We will find out tomorrow.

Dayra.7405:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Nauda.3678:

Well, it seems it is possible for the same matchups to occure:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Clarification-for-fall-tournament-matchups/first#post4422718

DevonCarver.5370:

Naga.1805:

Oh right, I remember that now. So if it is Swiss style, then the next match up in Silver and Bronze leagues will be based on how everyone finished this week. So all first place finishers will matchup, all second place will matchup as well as all third place?

Week 3 will then have the possibility of playing against a server that we met in week 1 or 2 right?

It is swiss style, that is correct. Certainly worlds might get matched up against one another more than once, but the nature of the matchmaking is going to minimize that, especially in conjunction with the 4 week timeframe.

What Devon said was that we might get matched against a server whom we already faced. For eg. We faced DB in week 1 and in week 3.

No where Devon said that the whole match will repeat which stands by the original point they made in the blog post that every match will he unique.

What does “every match will be unique” really mean?
Of course every match will be unique, it happen at different times in a different situation, once as start match once as final match of the season, even if the same server play it i.e. a typical advertisement statement in an advertisement text: nice words without much content.

We will find out tomorrow.

That’s why I said Anet was very vague in clarifying that matchup thing in the previous thread and in the blog.

for Silver League :

since we are already in the final day of the week, we can almost certainly conclude the total tournament point after this week end as the following :
15-YB, 12-CD ,11-DB,10-DR, 10-NSP, 9-SbI, 9-IoJ, 8-HoD, 6-BP

so, if the next match ups will strictly follow the swiss-style without ANET intervention, they will be :

YB vs CD vs DB (copy of Week 1 match up)
DR vs NSP vs SbI
IoJ vs HoD vs BP

note :
1. if these match ups happens, one of DR/NSP can become 2nd in overall tournament points, along with CD if they come 2nd in their match up.
2. SbI and IoJ are separated by glicko rating after this week match up end.

My understanding of swiss style is that winner goes up, loser goes down and second stays. That didn’t happen last week in “Tier 1 matchup”. BG was first and JQ was second, but JQ got relegated to the “Tier 2 matchup”. Unless I am wrong, it wasn’t swiss style at all.

Can’t speak for gold, but silver was 5-3-2 each week. Total the points from all the weeks. Set the matches based on total points.

nirvana.8245:

My understanding of swiss style is that winner goes up, loser goes down and second stays. That didn’t happen last week in “Tier 1 matchup”. BG was first and JQ was second, but JQ got relegated to the “Tier 2 matchup”. Unless I am wrong, it wasn’t swiss style at all.

not as simple as that. there is a pointing system 5-3-2….

refer here : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/WvW_Fall_Tournament_2014#NA_2

nirvana.8245:

My understanding of swiss style is that winner goes up, loser goes down and second stays. That didn’t happen last week in “Tier 1 matchup”. BG was first and JQ was second, but JQ got relegated to the “Tier 2 matchup”. Unless I am wrong, it wasn’t swiss style at all.

Since they changed the points last gain (they are getting 2 this tournament oposed to 1 from last one) SoS getting 1st on week 1 and 3rd on week 2 gave them 7pts, upsetting the 6pts JQ made by comming 2nd twice. Also TC was 3rd on week 1 and 1st on week 2 which result in upsetting JQ with 7pts aswell.

Week 3 for gold was: BG(10)/TC(7)/SoS(7) and JQ(6)/FA(6)/Mag(4)

In the end, SoS will upset TC last week and tie with JQ on 2nd.

BG(20)/JQ(14)/SoS(14)/TC(12)/FA(12)/Mag(8)

Or even worse if TC is able to beat JQ for 2nd, SoS get 2nd alone and JQ/TC tie on 3rd with 13pts each.

Or FA will beat SoS and take 2nd place. Totally possible.

Lol’d.

With the rewards being weekly, is there a season winner? Not that it really matters all that much..

Each server gets a yak statue placed in their citadel I think: Golden for 1st, Silver for 2nd, etc
Also you get a buff for few hours like increased WXP gain depending on your placement in the league.

Like I said – is there really a reward LOL. Now. That you mention it, I do recall reading that though…..

since they already rewarded the players weekly, i guess there is not much left to reward for final server position, apart from what they already mentioned.

Doesn’t look like CD will be matched up with NSP. ;-;

Calypso.2578:

Doesn’t look like CD will be matched up with NSP. ;-;

Wagonbrand denied NSP.

Calypso.2578:

Doesn’t look like CD will be matched up with NSP. ;-;

Unless Anets definition of unique is the same one that the rest of the world uses and then the same matchup couldn’t happen so it will be:

YB/CD/NSP
DB/DR/SBI
IoJ/HoD/BP

Honestly I hope their definition is not like the rest of the world. Being on SBI, I’d rather see the matchup of:

NSP/DR/SBI

Unique now for sure does not exclude a match with the same 3 server.
EU-T1 round 1 was SFR-Deso-Kodsh EU-T1 round 4 is now SFR-Kodash-Deso.

Probably it was a unique in the sense of unique experience

That settles it then. NA Silver should be:

YB/CD/DB
NSP/SBI/DR
IoJ/HoD/BP

Poor IoJ, they beat SBI but still get the lower ranked match. Well unless you’re out for the rewards, then its poor SBI.

Johje Holan.4607:

That settles it then. NA Silver should be:

YB/CD/DB
NSP/SBI/DR
IoJ/HoD/BP

Poor IoJ, they beat SBI but still get the lower ranked match. Well unless you’re out for the rewards, then its poor SBI.

Let me correct that YB/CD + DB or so we hear…..

I sure hope it’s not the same as week 1. DB sea has a h@rd on for CD and refuses to attack YB at all, even when they have no numbers. They were basically fighting for second in week 1 at the start of reset, not even trying to push for first.