Guild Wars 2

Sylosis.7125:

Hello,

After being infracted on many occasions i have stayed away from the forums….until now.

I wanted to voice my opinions on the current state of the game in wvw. Not because i think people need to hear it, as im sure you are all in agreement….but because ANET needs to take notice that people are leaving/left Guild Wars 2.

This means less profits to them in terms of gem purchases (loss of repeat business)

I understand how it is not possible to trial these changes prior to release and the only way is to put them out for us to give feedback on and see how it changes the meta.

I do not agree with people when they say ANET are not listening….. Far from it.

Ok so here goes MR & MRS DEVON, these points are free of charge …..and you can use them the sooner the better to fix certain aspects kn game.

1. free transfers to any EU server. – reason being – VIZ (I know you would lose slot of money and this will never be the case….but I’ve transferred so many times I have no money…. I spend 10 gold a day commanding I’m a poor man)

2. Fix D/D ele – nerf was too much they all just run away now. It may be that I’ve only come across a few since the patch….please tell me if I’m wrong.

3. Confusion Nerf – again too much ….. Raise dmg again slightly

4. Arrow Carts – I have warmed to them I just think they should do less dmg to other siege….. Player dmg is fine by me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qsjHzb9pSxk#!

5. Refreshing seige every 30 mins – NO NO NO impossible unless you have the numbers and people willing to stay in towers etc …. And the rewards for doing this then has to be funded by who? Oh yes me again.

6. contested swords after 30 secs from initial attack———-hmmm well same as above fine if you have scouts, but if they golem rush you with no scout in… Bye bye

7. mug trait nerf on thieves – the 4 sec reveal was fine…..this nerf is not great for when I solo roam however I’ll just start to roam with 4 other thieves … So not a major one.

8. gliko system – broken, deso has been trying to go down the past 4 weeks…… we are ahead of sfr……and Elona wont come up anytime soon…..so i guess noone wants to fight the 24/7 viz blob. Reminds me of the time i was on Crystal Dessert and Fort Aspenwood and Dragonbrand became super servers.

9. skill lag…dont make me build a full signet warrior :-)

Do to many of the points above alot of guilds have left the server…..players have left the game and one of the biggest if not the biggest guilds in the EU have been split up. (IRON – Triangle). I agree you will lose numbers if you continue to not please the masses …. Kinda obvious, prob best to announce that when patches are released they are still in beta stage and are up for discussion and alteration.

I was sad to see so many of our server’s guilds leave, however i understand why they choose to go down this path. Playing the game more hours than you work is hard going, draining and expensive. Commanders burning themselves out as noone wants to tag up so it seems.

I have transferred too many times already because of similar reasons and i assumed this game was free to play…….how is this? when i feel to play the sort of game I want, i need to transfer every 3 months in order to find a game that is fun, balanced and no skill lag.

To all the guilds that have left DESO, no hard feelings. Please PM me and let me know how you are getting on guys GH , GOD, VOTF, IRON, BULL, FG……real shame some quality guilds and players have left such a promising server.

Anyway it’s been emotional – if you see me in wvw – im the commander with x2 corrupted axes/corrupted hammer ….refreshing seige 24/7 that will never get used between the hours of 10pm-6am because the 60 viz outside wont let us in the front door. I would of had a scout in each of our t3 towers/keeps etc however that would mean my roaming zerg will consist of myself…and my thoughts. Luckily though i can check the map and find white swords on areas that was attacked more than 30s ago…..thank god viz dont golem rush unmanned towers…oh wait they do.

p.s thankyou to the viz commander who agreed on an open field fight in eb today was fun…up until the point of people building seige and fighting in the dredge cave…..hardly open field ;-)

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Fappy disagrees.

Yeah world versus world was fun while it lasted, if you decide to stay on desolation… I wish you the best of luck <3

MagiKarp.8201:

http://superofficialnews.com/fappy-the-anti-masturbation-dolphin-arrested-for-public-masturbation/

Fappy disagrees.

Does fappy agree that retaliation nerf of 50% is actually 33%…and infact its not nerfed 33% at all….due to no more mesmers in the game…so no null field..so you will find yourself killing yourself even more. :-)

Alekty.8706:

Yeah world versus world was fun while it lasted, if you decide to stay on desolation… I wish you the best of luck <3

dude im gonna stay on deso, but i have no intentions of defending anymore…….. well apart from the occasional moments that we seige up SM and farm viz and sfr until they dont come back :-)

SOTG: since release still 10/10 regarding gameplay etcpp

Imo best MMO yet ever seen, start enjoying all the variations, facettes and diverse abilities within this game instead of adressing to ANet one QQ-post after another…

Also ANet should listen less to the opinions within these boards here and rather send out an individual short questionnaire to get an idea of how many people are happy with this lovely, exciting and amazing MMO?

BR
Lara

In game is worse…
Dont pretend this forum is not representative…..

Between PvE and WWW this patch have been a débâcle like ascended patch in november….

So no you are avocal minority in a forum and a vocal minority in game.

People is all but happy with this patch.
They hate it and would gladly have it deleted completely.

everyone is complaining in most chats except PvP i don t play.

Lara Croft.5807:

SOTG: since release still 10/10 regarding gameplay etcpp

Imo best MMO yet ever seen, start enjoying all the variations, facettes and diverse abilities within this game instead of adressing to ANet one QQ-post after another…

Also ANet should listen less to the opinions within these boards here and rather send out an individual short questionnaire to get an idea of how many people are happy with this lovely, exciting and amazing MMO?

BR
Lara

lol

Lara Croft.5807:

SOTG: since release still 10/10 regarding gameplay etcpp

Imo best MMO yet ever seen, start enjoying all the variations, facettes and diverse abilities within this game instead of adressing to ANet one QQ-post after another…

Also ANet should listen less to the opinions within these boards here and rather send out an individual short questionnaire to get an idea of how many people are happy with this lovely, exciting and amazing MMO?

BR
Lara

It seems they do not even ask opinions prior to patches, god forbid we get a questionnaire after. I’m guessing you enjoy staying in a tower and refreshing seige…i bet you play minecraft too… thats fine btw. Thats the gameplay you like….me and others however do not. And it seems the majority feel similar. However send the questionnaire out now and i bet everyone will love the latest patch, maybe due to the fact they have all left.

Did you see the sotg video on youtube, the guy on the right had no clue about the patch notes and was the worst presentation and representation of Anet i’ve seen. The video was also spvp focused , Anet really do not care about wvw.

anyway enjoy gw2 and i agree it is the best mmo i’ve played, thats because ive not tried anything else……….time to stop buying gems…and moaning about the game….time to try new games…….

1. It’s only 15g to transfer, that really ain’t much
2. I do believe they should fine tune the ele a bit, the nerf was hard. I don’t play ele so don’t know more about this subject. (they did need a nerf thou)
3. Confusion nerf should have been -33% too. I agree here. Confusion was OP but not -50% OP.
4. Reason why I only play 10% of my normal time. And I bought 100s of ACs and dropping them down everywhere because they are so so so so so OP. I have done some 3k+ hits, I mean COME ON….
5. Always been like this, I love the timer (1 of the best things this patch). They can’t make it to last forever and I agree with Anet on this one.
6. I can live with this tbh, haven’t bothered me to much and does support more tactic in the game.
7. Don’t play thief, just heard they wanted to nerf their burst a bit and can agree with that.
8. The system is not the best no, but look at other games. Getting a good rating system is almost impossible. A win tier, move up a tier ain’t optimal either.

Whoever thinks that the situation of EU T1 shows the state of a healthy MMO is delusional.
Feel free to transfer for a week at least on SFR or Deso to check it out.

ArenaNet started this and is continuing to support this sorry state. Unbelievable.

Conspiracy theory: They will not change the glicko system and periodically continue the ‘free transfer to a good WvW server’ in order to capitalise on the money payed by ppl. leaving the impacted servers.

Just a small point about the siege despawn timer. I think it serves a purpose against griefing. You wouldn’t want random rams on tower walls holding a siege limit spot for hours and hours.

Caliban.3176:

Just a small point about the siege despawn timer. I think it serves a purpose against griefing. You wouldn’t want random rams on tower walls holding a siege limit spot for hours and hours.

I agree, my misjudgement is due to trying to defend t3 towers and keeps commanding 5 players against 60 viz with unlimited seige.

Sylosis.7125:

Caliban.3176:

Just a small point about the siege despawn timer. I think it serves a purpose against griefing. You wouldn’t want random rams on tower walls holding a siege limit spot for hours and hours.

I agree, my misjudgement is due to trying to defend t3 towers and keeps commanding 5 players against 60 viz with unlimited seige.

I know your pain…

I agree with most of what Perish said except the fact that it’s always fun. I still have that feeling of “Cant wait to finish to get home and login to wvw” because you make your own fun in this game. Getting blobbed aint fun but it is fun trying smaller scale stuff and trying to avoid the zerg.

Whilst i wouldn’t mind dropping to T2, i could quite happily stay in T1 frighting on EB 24/7 hehe

MiLkZz.4789:

2. I do believe they should fine tune the ele a bit, the nerf was hard. I don’t play ele so don’t know more about this subject. (they did need a nerf thou)

Devs interview
“The ele is the PvP extremely powerful at evasion right now. But even then, he bleeds into WvW, he is adamantly not useful in PvE as a damage mitigator.”

should i post this everytime people don t understand the difference between PvP WWW and PvE?

I know some players can t get it expecially from a single class players that called them OP in PvE….

I’m sorry for the loss of great guilds from Deso m8, but we got FG over to us and apart from a few guilds leaving Piken, getting FG was on of the best things that happened.

Regarding your points; Very few I agree on, but that’s how it is really. We enjoy the same game for different reasons.

PredatoR; Really? In every thread on the forum?

Ins.7139:

I agree with most of what Perish said except the fact that it’s always fun. I still have that feeling of “Cant wait to finish to get home and login to wvw” because you make your own fun in this game. Getting blobbed aint fun but it is fun trying smaller scale stuff and trying to avoid the zerg.

Whilst i wouldn’t mind dropping to T2, i could quite happily stay in T1 frighting on EB 24/7 hehe

Avoiding ZERG with 5 guys …..PVDing……meh :-)

btw your right…..i just need to stop playing in unsociable hours.

Zajo.5946:

I’m sorry for the loss of great guilds from Deso m8, but we got FG over to us and apart from a few guilds leaving Piken, getting FG was on of the best things that happened.

Regarding your points; Very few I agree on, but that’s how it is really. We enjoy the same game for different reasons.

PredatoR; Really? In every thread on the forum?

Good to hear dude, i’m glad you do not agree with me…i would hate for anyone to not enjoy the game as much as i am (between the hours of 2am-11am)

Thief and DD ele nerf was maybe harsh, but these two profession really were overpowered compared to the others.
Now, for the SOTG, as a VS (i’ve wrotten about it on the T1 Thread, feel free to read if you want more informations about the T1 issues)

T1 is broken.
No server is having fun right now. VS does have the best coverage in game, that means constant 600+ ticking when not in prime time, huge queue in prime time, queue even in offtime (seriously, got 20min queue trying to go to EB one wednesday at 11 ... what the hell ?). I can understand this isn’t really nice to play for opposing servers. SFR was hit hard by the free transfer, and if deso is holding atm, i think this must be pretty hard for them too.
What we have is a server way ahead of the 2 other (i won’t say in term of skill, because clearly we’re not talking about it, skill could only be measured in term of GvG). And the 2 servers can’t drop. This situation is not right, and T2 servers are doing whatever they can not to go into T1. That’s exploiting the game too.

The only way to improve the game right now, would be to change the ranking system. There have been several suggestions, a liga-like championship, a "you win, you go up / you lose, you drop" system.
But the actual ranking system ain’t working for T1 euro.

Ins.7139:

I still have that feeling of “Cant wait to finish to get home and login to wvw” because you make your own fun in this game.

I hear that a lot. A normal misconception.

But it seems like creating once own fun is impossible when once idea of fun is tacticle play, tacticle defense and tacticle thought.

I upgrade, siege and stock up a keep/tower for a better defense and the supply I make sure is there for emergency repairs and/or emergency building. After 6 hours of this there is nothing more deflatting then seeing set players drain that supply in 5 min because;
- they can not be kitten to run to a camp
- they think its good to repair a wall being attacked
- they just simply wanna have supply on them
I mean .. it’s not >their< idea of fun to run supply, repair or escort.

How about the guildraid who cares not for it’s defense but only about its bags and lets a fully upgraded Garrison fall because “they were skirmishing at a camp”.

Or guildraids who while forming up (2 hours before raid) stands in Garrison or Citadel emoting while a fully upgraded tower or keep is being over run just next to them. And when told to ask says “The more we lose the more fun for our raid when it starts”

Or raids who instead of killing that 1 treb at Briar, chooses to let that said treb break a fortified wall of Bay so they can farm at the hole and then expect and actually tell ppl in teamchat “All not XXX guild, run supply and rep that wall” while they run of for the next farm. And if I wish to hold what I built I’m left alone, with 1 or 2 others, repairing that wall that would have taken the raid 4 min to fully repair. Not to mention the treb being built again 10 min later .. rinse and repeat.

Ins: As you might see I could go on for a long time, bottom line though, it’s extremly hard to create your own fun!

actually I am very happy with the latest patch
dunno what u guys have – lol

Witzard.6829:

Thief and DD ele nerf was maybe harsh, but these two profession really were overpowered compared to the others.
Now, for the SOTG, as a VS (i’ve wrotten about it on the T1 Thread, feel free to read if you want more informations about the T1 issues)

T1 is broken.
No server is having fun right now. VS does have the best coverage in game, that means constant 600+ ticking when not in prime time, huge queue in prime time, queue even in offtime (seriously, got 20min queue trying to go to EB one wednesday at 11 … what the hell ?). I can understand this isn’t really nice to play for opposing servers. SFR was hit hard by the free transfer, and if deso is holding atm, i think this must be pretty hard for them too.
What we have is a server way ahead of the 2 other (i won’t say in term of skill, because clearly we’re not talking about it, skill could only be measured in term of GvG). And the 2 servers can’t drop. This situation is not right, and T2 servers are doing whatever they can not to go into T1. That’s exploiting the game too.

The only way to improve the game right now, would be to change the ranking system. There have been several suggestions, a liga-like championship, a “you win, you go up / you lose, you drop” system.
But the actual ranking system ain’t working for T1 euro.

Yeah your queues must be unreal…….bet you guys are loving the karma/bags though. :-)…..but pvd is boring ….i dont know how you do it.

You have to admire Vizu for there community. Ppl from deso and specially sfr(my server) complain now but even when Vizu was 3th for quite sometime they kept playing (and took all the abuse) and didn’t give up. Now that all the iwinbuttonplayers leave they stomp and they have every right too.. None of the guilds that left sfr had a valid reason (rumours have it 4h queue’s.. really never been in longer then 1h).

Before the culling nerf ppl where like: yea we wipe vizu, yea we wipe iron, yea we wipe X and then they FIX culling and ppl actually see the size and go: Yea that Vizu blob is insane big we can’t win!! (How the fudge did you do it with culling?)

That said I do agree that the wvw system is broken. There’s no fun in playing against the same server over and over. If Anet even realizes this it will be way too late. I’ve seen many better idea’s but I highly doubt Anet will change it. Like winner always goes up 1 tier, second stays and 3th places always goes down or a league system where every server has to face every other server.

Another thing is 7 days is way too long. Sure it might work if wvw was balanced (even us/asia/ausi/afrika T1 isn’t balanced) but a better timespan might be 3 days so servers don’t lose the lust to fight! Or just open free transfers and make ALL servers international with todays internet connections this won’t matter too much and from what i’ve seen EU servers connect to US for wvw anyways.

Again my deepest respect to Vizu for being in T1 since forever and keeping there spirit up. All the servers (EU & US) can learn alot from you about being a community WITH serverpride! Kudos!

WvW in Tier 1 is dead. WvW on Desolation is dead. Desolation isn’t going to drop down to Tier 2 anytime soon because of the terrible rating system. ANet will do nothing to help with this issue because they don’t see any problem with it and they’ll potentially continue to rake in money from people buying gems to transfer servers. Not only that, but they really couldn’t careless about WvW.

If you’re a WvW player on Desolation then sadly it really is time to hop servers, become a PvE hero or simply quit the game. At the moment the final option appears to be the most popular of them all.

scanz.4536:

WvW in Tier 1 is dead. WvW on Desolation is dead. Desolation isn’t going to drop down to Tier 2 anytime soon because of the terrible rating system. ANet will do nothing to help with this issue because they don’t see any problem with it and they’ll potentially continue to rake in money from people buying gems to transfer servers. Not only that, but they really couldn’t careless about WvW.

If you’re a WvW player on Desolation then sadly it really is time to hop servers, become a PvE hero or simply quit the game. At the moment the final option appears to be the most popular of them all.

Same on SFR mate all dead.. a few try to rebuild the server but no way that’s gona happen. I just wonder all those guilds that leave for T7/8 what so fun in pvp if you don’t aim to be the best?

zarak.2314:

scanz.4536:

WvW in Tier 1 is dead. WvW on Desolation is dead. Desolation isn’t going to drop down to Tier 2 anytime soon because of the terrible rating system. ANet will do nothing to help with this issue because they don’t see any problem with it and they’ll potentially continue to rake in money from people buying gems to transfer servers. Not only that, but they really couldn’t careless about WvW.

If you’re a WvW player on Desolation then sadly it really is time to hop servers, become a PvE hero or simply quit the game. At the moment the final option appears to be the most popular of them all.

Same on SFR mate all dead.. a few try to rebuild the server but no way that’s gona happen. I just wonder all those guilds that leave for T7/8 what so fun in pvp if you don’t aim to be the best?

I would agree, the lure of Tier 1 being Tier 1 should attract the best guilds and players. At one point it did, but ANet messed that up. So those guilds and players have no choice but to spread themselves across servers in lower tiers, just wish all guilds with this view could arrange a meeting to fully discuss it in a fair way.

It’s more of a question of what is considered to be “the best”.

The points system emphasizes coverage in the way, that at the moment the best server is the server that can field the highest amount of players on any given time of day. Many guilds don’t appreciate this view, and try to strengthen themselves as guilds by going to lower tiers, where there are more possibilities to practice your group vs. group skills. In addition, these battles in lower tiers can also contribute to server score better than it would in higher tiers.

Hard to take you seriously when you complain about mug

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

Sylosis.7125:

Yeah your queues must be unreal…….bet you guys are loving the karma/bags though. :-)…..but pvd is boring ….i dont know how you do it.

I haven’t done a guild raid in 2 weeks, and i’m almost not playing WvW atm, it’s too boring for me :/

scanz.4536:

I would agree, the lure of Tier 1 being Tier 1 should attract the best guilds and players. At one point it did, but ANet messed that up. So those guilds and players have no choice but to spread themselves across servers in lower tiers, just wish all guilds with this view could arrange a meeting to fully discuss it in a fair way.

Atm, T1 is the people who play the best WvW, but not who are the best at WvW. People should start considering guilds and not realms.

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

Witzard.6829:

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

I’ve been saying since game release (and actually since before, I mentioned the problem during the second beta weekend) that the scoring system is crap; that said however, having an higher score doesn’t give you anything except utterly useless PvE bonuses which make no difference whatsoever in the WvW fights. The real combat advantage is starting with all your structures at T3 and stockpiled while the enemy has to start with T1 and no supply, but even this (admittedly terrible) starting situation can be overcome with proper play.

As an easy example, there was a point this past saturday where Vizunah (who had totally nightcapped all maps as usual) was completely wiped out of the EB map; they didn’t have even a single supply camp and the map was evenly split between Deso and SFR, despite both of them starting with T1 and Viz with T3. How was this possible? Quite simply, there was a random 2vs1 going on where for a couple hours both Deso and SFR ignored each other and went relentlessly at Vizunah. Viz starting advantage was negated within 2 hours and they could not even hold on to their starting keep. For the rest of the day, Vizunah had to contend with having low supplies and all their structures made of paper whereas at least Deso (I know because I oversaw that) had keep and all 4 towers at full T3. It was only the following morning, after the usual nightcapping, that the situation went back to “normal”.

Now I understand that’s an ideal scenario (a “perfect” 2 vs. 1 and during the weekend on EB, the only time where Deso and SFR have enough people on a map to outnumber Viz if they play together), but truth is, if Deso and SFR commanders started acting rationally they would sistematically and automatically ignore each other on all 4 maps until Vizunah has been completely wiped off any given map. We wouldn’t be able to always do that as most of the day Vizunah actually outnumbers Deso and SFR combined, but the end result would still be to reduce Vizunah’ s starting advantage much more quickly during the day and having a longer period of “balanced play”. There is a bloody reason there are 3 servers and not 2 ina matchup, but noooo, let’ s not use the tools we have to rectify a bad design and instead come here moaning on forums all day and/or transferring to servers who “casually” end up being the winning ones in their matchups due to better coverage and inflict on other servers the exact same treatment we’re moaning about. The hypocrisy is ridiculous here.

Tldr: scoring system, snowball effect, and starting situation after a nightcap are indeed the worst pieces of videogame design ever, but there ARE ways available to work around those and still have plenty of fun, even if there is no hope of ever winning a matchup. Switching servers to be on the winning site is hypocritical and means simply to compound the problem.

Less QQing, more pew pewing.

Witzard.6829:

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

why you play at night against the doors? simply go to sleep…really I can’t understand, you do only for gain points for win the tier…there cannot be other reasons.

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

Exactly my point of view, i cant remember the last time i checked gw2 matchups, and i couldn’t give a kitten about what we own when i log in. I just enjoy winning that section of timeframe we choose to play. Hardcore players / guilds win the battles but it’s the casual pugs that win the war.

I have always given VS kudos, i stuck around on BT fighting them to the bitter end till BT dropped so i transferred to Deso to keep fighting them for 1 simple reason. They are always online meaning there is always something to kill, and the best bit about logging on in the afternoon is their zerg hasnt been wiped for ages so they are worth loads of wxp

Keep it up VS, the true kings of WvW how Anet intended. They might be labelled cowards and bores but i love fighting you guys

I’d agree 100% on the terrible rating system that locks servers in place for weeks at a time regardless of their current performance. I’d also add that the arrowcart buff is probably the biggest threat to WvWvW guilds we might ever see – you think a lot of guilds have left before now? I dare say we have seen nothing yet.

Mug nerf… actually don’t think it was that bad. Something was coming to thief burst for a long long time, and I’ve been playing thief since beta. I switched away from GC D/D thief a couple of months ago and I’m surprised it has taken them this long to address that burst potential.

I will give minor kudos to Anet for adding the small heal, it is the first thing they have done since launch which DIDN’T have the end result of pushing all thiefs in to one spec. If they make good on their idea to increase base damage to give us more options on survivability then that will be another step to making other builds actually viable.

I either don’t play the class or don’t know enough about the other items you list but I will say this: if WvWvW doesn’t get dedicated attention it will be a shadow of itself before the end of summer. WXP was a nice idea but took too long to implement. There are glaring issues which have been virtually ignored and now we get 80% buffs, increased range, increased damage on the cheapest siege item in the game.

The impact is to guilds first and foremost, and it is guilds which are the lifeblood of WvWvW like it or not. Arenanet devotes more time and attention to every other aspect of the game than they do to WvWvW. They had an opportunity here to really redefine open world PvP but the fat lady is warming up and they still haven’t got their game face on. You would think they might have learned from their terrible attempt at esport sPvP.

Edited for kittens in stupid places where no swearing existed.

vulneraria.4865:

Witzard.6829:

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

why you play at night against the doors? simply go to sleep…really I can’t understand, you do only for gain points for win the tier…there cannot be other reasons.

I won’t speak for others, but a couple weeks ago (!) playing at night was completely different than playing during the day/prime time.
You basically had always the same 10-20 people covering all 4 maps, we were far less stressed and encountering around the same number of opponent. That means nice little skirmishes, joking, playing drunk etc.

Now as VS started getting a huge coverage, it’s quite different. PvD must be the easyest way to level your alts, farm WXP. It’s no fun at all, true, but sadly it’s the way the game is supposed to be played, even if there is no opponent to hold the towers. Caping is part of the game, just like killing, and you can’t deny people the right to play at night.
If it can make you feel better, you can know it’s really boring, but once more, I haven’t done a night in a couple of weeks.

Witzard.6829:

vulneraria.4865:

Witzard.6829:

MagnusLL.8473:

I don’t get all this QQ and it’s really starting to be annoying.

Yes, we cannot win the point game against Viz. So what? Enter the map with your guild, if we’re holding no point in it all the better, you’ve the easier target already available. Play for 2-3 hours (or however long you want), check the state of the map when you log out, is it better than when you started? Gratz, you won today’s engagement. Forget about Viz and what they do when you’re offline, why do you even care? If they upgraded everything to T3 it’s even better, the higher they are the harder they fall and they DO fall, believe me, if you put the effort in.

What gets me is all the people who proclaimed they are hardcore are the ones who gave up. Apparently nowadays “hardcore” = “I run away if I get kittenslapped more than a couple weeks in a row”. Meh.

I agree with you, but imo this attitude is not rewarding enough. Doing a hell of a job repainting a BL map during prime time should give a LOT more points than what happens at night when we on VS are 20-30 and taking every single ennemy fort with no opposition.

why you play at night against the doors? simply go to sleep…really I can’t understand, you do only for gain points for win the tier…there cannot be other reasons.

I won’t speak for others, but a couple weeks ago (!) playing at night was completely different than playing during the day/prime time.
You basically had always the same 10-20 people covering all 4 maps, we were far less stressed and encountering around the same number of opponent. That means nice little skirmishes, joking, playing drunk etc.

Now as VS started getting a huge coverage, it’s quite different. PvD must be the easyest way to level your alts, farm WXP. It’s no fun at all, true, but sadly it’s the way the game is supposed to be played, even if there is no opponent to hold the towers. Caping is part of the game, just like killing, and you can’t deny people the right to play at night.
If it can make you feel better, you can know it’s really boring, but once more, I haven’t done a night in a couple of weeks.

I know that is really boring, we was t4-t5, then we go near t1 and we drop again, and then we grow up till t1 again, during this time we have had some NA guild that hold all the map during the night, but you cannot level up when all the map is yours! no tower or camp to cap, no badge to farm.
when i see all the map of my color I go back to pvp or pve.

We are stupid and actually cap stuff. Better idea would be tic +0 and just kill frenchies whole time.

The worst problem is skill lag. Even with two servers being basically dead and having no queues in prime time, still cant have proper fights, since for half the time skill lag is insane. You said its hardware limitation – well upgrade it or whatever is needed so that your gameplay mode would be actually playable.

About VZ, SFR, Deso problem – ArenaNet is to blame with the transfers to SFR indeed, but even without it it would become obvious once again sooner or later. Nothing really new – same kitten was with BT, Far Shieverpeaks and now SFR. And especially now with declining player population overall, its even more noticeable that the “intended” scoring system is plain broken, and so is glicko.

Arena Net basically closed the eyes before, probably hoping “well, all other tiers will never get proper equal coverage for WvW to be actual competition, but lets fill T1 servers to brink so they`d be somewhat equal” – now its even worse, theres one filled to brink national server, that was there since release thanks to coverage (please dont talk about WvW skill – dedication from SFR, FS, BT each and single time proven “skill and organization” have nothing to do with VZ placing in rank) and the other two are plain empty.

Junkpile.7439:

We are stupid and actually cap stuff. Better idea would be tic +0 and just kill frenchies whole time.

But they’ll just sit in their towers until enough of you leave. C’mon, surely you know by now it’s impossible to get a fight unless they have bigger numbers

Zajo.5946:

Ins.7139:

I still have that feeling of “Cant wait to finish to get home and login to wvw” because you make your own fun in this game.

I hear that a lot. A normal misconception.

But it seems like creating once own fun is impossible when once idea of fun is tacticle play, tacticle defense and tacticle thought.

I upgrade, siege and stock up a keep/tower for a better defense and the supply I make sure is there for emergency repairs and/or emergency building. After 6 hours of this there is nothing more deflatting then seeing set players drain that supply in 5 min because;
- they can not be kitten to run to a camp
- they think its good to repair a wall being attacked
- they just simply wanna have supply on them
I mean .. it’s not >their< idea of fun to run supply, repair or escort.

You forgot a few things. Achievement points. Leaderboards. Dailies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qsjHzb9pSxk#!

i just wet myself watching this…i love you votf

OMG soooo funny but SADLY so very true.

This needs stickying and every anet (and ncsoft) employee to watch so they can (hopefully) understand.

Anyway i’m looking forward to wildstar with my own personal house with a personal raid portal and a warplot looks fun (and it looks like the company understand what PLAYERS want- unlike anet who think players want spvp (true spvp can only happen when all the professions are highly polished)

Ok well it seems I have changed my mind a little on a few of the points I made in my OP.

I will edit.

Sylosis.7125:

Hello,

After being infracted on many occasions i have stayed away from the forums….until now.

I wanted to voice my opinions on the current state of the game in wvw. Not because i think people need to hear it, as im sure you are all in agreement….but because ANET needs to take notice that people are leaving/left Guild Wars 2.

This means less profits to them in terms of gem purchases (loss of repeat business)

I understand how it is not possible to trial these changes prior to release and the only way is to put them out for us to give feedback on and see how it changes the meta.

I do not agree with people when they say ANET are not listening….. Far from it.

Ok so here goes MR & MRS DEVON, these points are free of charge …..and you can use them the sooner the better to fix certain aspects kn game.

1. free transfers to any EU server. – reason being – VIZ (I know you would lose slot of money and this will never be the case….but I’ve transferred so many times I have no money…. I spend 10 gold a day commanding I’m a poor man)

2. Fix D/D ele – nerf was too much they all just run away now. It may be that I’ve only come across a few since the patch….please tell me if I’m wrong.

3. Confusion Nerf – again too much ….. Raise dmg again slightly

4. Arrow Carts – I have warmed to them I just think they should do less dmg to other siege….. Player dmg is fine by me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qsjHzb9pSxk#!

5. Refreshing seige every 30 mins – NO NO NO impossible unless you have the numbers and people willing to stay in towers etc …. And the rewards for doing this then has to be funded by who? Oh yes me again.

6. contested swords after 30 secs from initial attack———-hmmm well same as above fine if you have scouts, but if they golem rush you with no scout in… Bye bye

7. mug trait nerf on thieves – the 4 sec reveal was fine…..this nerf is not great for when I solo roam however I’ll just start to roam with 4 other thieves … So not a major one.

8. gliko system – broken, deso has been trying to go down the past 4 weeks…… we are ahead of sfr……and Elona wont come up anytime soon…..so i guess noone wants to fight the 24/7 viz blob. Reminds me of the time i was on Crystal Dessert and Fort Aspenwood and Dragonbrand became super servers.

9. skill lag…dont make me build a full signet warrior :-)

Do to many of the points above alot of guilds have left the server…..players have left the game and one of the biggest if not the biggest guilds in the EU have been split up. (IRON – Triangle). I agree you will lose numbers if you continue to not please the masses …. Kinda obvious, prob best to announce that when patches are released they are still in beta stage and are up for discussion and alteration.

I was sad to see so many of our server’s guilds leave, however i understand why they choose to go down this path. Playing the game more hours than you work is hard going, draining and expensive. Commanders burning themselves out as noone wants to tag up so it seems.

I have transferred too many times already because of similar reasons and i assumed this game was free to play…….how is this? when i feel to play the sort of game I want, i need to transfer every 3 months in order to find a game that is fun, balanced and no skill lag.

To all the guilds that have left DESO, no hard feelings. Please PM me and let me know how you are getting on guys GH , GOD, VOTF, IRON, BULL, FG……real shame some quality guilds and players have left such a promising server.

Anyway it’s been emotional – if you see me in wvw – im the commander with x2 corrupted axes/corrupted hammer ….refreshing seige 24/7 that will never get used between the hours of 10pm-6am because the 60 viz outside wont let us in the front door. I would of had a scout in each of our t3 towers/keeps etc however that would mean my roaming zerg will consist of myself…and my thoughts. Luckily though i can check the map and find white swords on areas that was attacked more than 30s ago…..thank god viz dont golem rush unmanned towers…oh wait they do.

p.s thankyou to the viz commander who agreed on an open field fight in eb today was fun…up until the point of people building seige and fighting in the dredge cave…..hardly open field ;-)