Guild Wars 2

What are we supposed to do about sabotage in WvW? None of the options under “report” really fits, and we’re told ArenaNet generally focuses on the chat logs, not “unsubstantiated player reports.”

So, are we supposed to sit back and watch? Or is there some way to get these people to stop?

Anyone have any experience with this?

In this case, there is someone spamming ballista all over our keep and using up keep supply. Granted, this isn’t the most damaging sabotage (yet), but something about it doesn’t sit right with me.

I have yet to see Anet come out to say that Sabotage and Spies tactics are illegal.

They are unsavoury game tactics much like real world espionage. Spies get the death penalty for treason in many countries when caught by enemy but is not outlaw by Geneva Convention 1949 .

GW2 is 50% off this weekend. Any server worth their salt will be purchasing additional accounts and stationing them on enemy servers, if not already. War is unfair, get real ! It’s not aiming for e-sports status.

*Hint : New accounts are not valuable because they have little MF and ach points. If you hold back due to moral reasons, you will lose the chance to be top 3. Competition is brutal at the top, use whatever legal tactics you can.

Do the best you can to defend and move on. Nothing will be done…

Sol.8341:

I have yet to see Anet come out to say that Sabotage and Spies tactics are illegal.

They are unsavoury game tactics much like real world espionage. Spies get the death penalty for treason in many countries when caught by enemy but is not outlaw by Geneva Convention 1949 .

GW2 is 50% off this weekend. Any server worth their salt will be purchasing additional accounts and stationing them on enemy servers, if not already. War is unfair, get real ! It’s not aiming for e-sports status.

*Hint : New accounts are not valuable because they have little MF and ach points. If you hold back due to moral reasons, you will lose the chance to be top 3. Competition is brutal at the top, use whatever legal tactics you can.

So you would be ok with someone using up all your supply in all your towers/keeps to build ballistas everywhere? What server are you on?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Sol.8341:

I have yet to see Anet come out to say that Sabotage and Spies tactics are illegal.

They are unsavoury game tactics much like real world espionage. Spies get the death penalty for treason in many countries when caught by enemy but is not outlaw by Geneva Convention 1949 .

GW2 is 50% off this weekend. Any server worth their salt will be purchasing additional accounts and stationing them on enemy servers, if not already. War is unfair, get real ! It’s not aiming for e-sports status.

*Hint : New accounts are not valuable because they have little MF and ach points. If you hold back due to moral reasons, you will lose the chance to be top 3. Competition is brutal at the top, use whatever legal tactics you can.

So you would be ok with someone using up all your supply in all your towers/keeps to build ballistas everywhere? What server are you on?

I am pretty sure that this is not what he meant to say. I think he was trying to say, that there is nothing you can do about it.
Sure, you can report them (not via ingame but via support ticket outside of the game) but this is 1 extremely time consuming and 2 you don’t even know if they are going to do anything about the person you reported because they won’t tell you (I still don’t know why they are doing that).

Also it is sometimes pretty hard to find out whether the person is trying to manipulate your server by, for example, building lots of useless siege engines or if the person is maybe just trying to level up an achievement. The first one should be a bannable offense, the second one… not so sure (imo, it should be)this game attracted way too many " I play how I want I don’t care if it affects you" kind of people and I don’t think A.Net wants to kitten those people off

Sol.8341:

I have yet to see Anet come out to say that Sabotage and Spies tactics are illegal.

They are unsavoury game tactics much like real world espionage. Spies get the death penalty for treason in many countries when caught by enemy but is not outlaw by Geneva Convention 1949 .

I think that is where the problem lies. There is no way to counter or “execute” a traitor/spy. Right now, it is a tactic with no consequences for the “bad” guys. The best you can do is attempt to rush yaks to bring in supply, but even than is capped by how fast the yaks move.

The biggest challenge is finding a way to allow a counter for it without opening up the door to griefing.

well i guess can always advise them better places to use their siege incase maybe they arent just trying to waste supply. but at least it is going somewhere so if you can do anything to convince them to at least place it somewhere useful that would be alright.

HEHE last time when i try to raise that issue on forum my thread was removed by moderator and i was almost banned. I guess Anet is ok with it.

Your best bet is to submit an email to exploits@arena.net with a pic and relevant information, server, map, time, etc. The ingame reporting system doesn’t give enough information to indicate what exactly the player is doing.

Karizee.8076:

Your best bet is to submit an email to exploits@arena.net with a pic and relevant information, server, map, time, etc. The ingame reporting system doesn’t give enough information to indicate what exactly the player is doing.

Nothing comes of that either. Anet would rather spend their time deleting forum posts. There is another MMO with WvW-like play that just came out, perhaps they respond to this issue better? Perhaps it’s time to find out?

In before lock…
Two options:

1. Silent acquiescence and play on.
2. Silent acquiescence and move on.

It has been made repeatedly clear that kittening about hacks, exploits, cheats it in the forums is a no-op.

I’m not sure if I’m being asked, but I’ll just say that I trust ArenaNet and their judgment. I’m sure that they are already well-aware of the issue and have discussed it extensively.

And if anything, this thread proves that civility in these situations is precisely what is necessary to prevent threads from being taken down.