Guild Wars 2

Third week in a row of Dragonbrand vs SbI vs SoR, and it’s seriously not fun. Prior to reset DB was at 400k, SbI at 170k, and SoR was at (I believe) < 50k… the week before was only slightly closer. No other tiers were nearly as one sided, how did the same matchup happen 3 weeks in a row when DB wins by such a huge margin?

Yep, same CRAP, different week. What happened to randomizing the match-ups?

Guess they are gonna try and kill WvW. Watching DB gain 150+ points over 3 weeks to take a higher spot because SoR is tanking. Pitiful.

This is the 4th week of YB/IoJ/BP. Boring and stale…. and you can really tell how much it’s affecting WvW participation. That mixed with an already deteriorating WvW situation for BP could mean that these free xfers will completely destroy BP.

Good job Anet.

3rd week in a row of mag/sos/fa. SoS was green the first one and won but then was moved down to blue. They won the second match up and moved up to green but FA, who was green and beat us (mag) move down to red. Ranking and matchup system is weird.

Srry guys, I’m on DB and I hate it as well….so boring….and I don’t want this many points…lammmeeeeeeeeee!!

T1 and T2 has never been more balanced, both matchups were within 10k of each other, want to know why? because the guilds on T1 and T2 move to balance out the servers as much as they can.

DB people complaining that you win to much, quit being spastic and MOVE

SBI/SOR, merge your guilds and get some from lower tiers

Use your brain, DB can’t beat anybody in T2 why would you want them to move up that just means either FA or Mag will drop back down and will kitten all over you harder

Azgarn.2145:

This is the 4th week of YB/IoJ/BP. Boring and stale…. and you can really tell how much it’s affecting WvW participation. That mixed with an already deteriorating WvW situation for BP could mean that these free xfers will completely destroy BP.

Good job Anet.

Ya it’s also killed wvw on Yaks Bend…although it was already pretty much dead before then.

Don’t know what to tell you. We’ve had extremely lopsided matches before, either completely outnumbered or completely outnumbered our opponent, and it was boring. Balanced matches are more fun but it just means the same names every day. Also allows good rivalries to develop.

its seriously boring ioj/bp/yb, 3 weeks on a row. i mean come on…………..
not much anything going on wvw, only stupid blobs or nothing at all……. yuck
its like our opponent decided to forfeit the match and its disgusting by all means because we must actively looking for enemies (usually enemies come down to us, in blobs but now ……..)
i dont know if the 2 server is desperately trying to tank to bronze league or people are flocking to eotm for free kills (yes, i consider anything in beserker gear a free kill)

erix.7512:

Third week in a row of Dragonbrand vs SbI vs SoR, and it’s seriously not fun. Prior to reset DB was at 400k, SbI at 170k, and SoR was at (I believe) < 50k… the week before was only slightly closer. No other tiers were nearly as one sided, how did the same matchup happen 3 weeks in a row when DB wins by such a huge margin?

This is what frustrates me the most about the wvw rating system and point changes. If you look at the ratings and wvw server scores for the past 2 weeks in a row of Dragonbrand vs SBI vs SoR, you see something that should not be happening. Lets look at the matchup week that JUST happened. (please note I do not care in this post about which server is which or who’s better, I am talking about the raw data)
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/155
Dragonbrand clearly smashes the competition with a final score of 405,799. Because of this, by all rights the 2nd place server Stormbluff Isle which had a score of 170393, should have thus LOST rating points because of getting completely out scored. However, because SoR was also in the matchup and got a very small score of only 65569 AND because SoR was (at the time) a mere 30 ranking points ahead of SBI, this changes everything. Now the final result is that SBI gains 31 rating points.

I’m sorry, but SBI should NOT be gaining/have gained rating points from a matchup score like this. This just shows what is wrong with the rating system and needs to be fixed.

this kitten needs to get fixed. If DB goes up to gold undeservedly over FA or Mag you’re gunna kill another server on top of SoR. Mag and FA are working their kitten off to compete with a server that is soaking up rating from a server that you killed. Fix this kitten.

I think we can all agree that nobody likes DB

Nobody in T2 wants DB to come up

Nobody in T3 wants DB to stay

So lets all chip in to disband DB, any DB guilds please accept that you are a part of the cancer that is killing WvW and help balance T2 if you’re OSX/SEA and if you’re NA than split evenly between SBI/Yaks to make yourselves a good matchup.

maybe SBI and SoR are doing it on purpose to drop in rank to get cheaper transfers? shrug just a hunch

Archilese.3218:

T1 and T2 has never been more balanced, both matchups were within 10k of each other, want to know why? because the guilds on T1 and T2 move to balance out the servers as much as they can.

DB people complaining that you win to much, quit being spastic and MOVE

SBI/SOR, merge your guilds and get some from lower tiers

Use your brain, DB can’t beat anybody in T2 why would you want them to move up that just means either FA or Mag will drop back down and will kitten all over you harder

No major WvW guilds are paying 1800 gems to come to SoR for a week to fight DB. And no major WvW guilds are paying 2400 gems to get curb stomped during the league afterwards. You have to know that, right? I mean, the best I could say otherwise is that you need to do something about the utter naivety you possess about SoR’s current situation. At worst, that’s just a dumb statement to make. Either way, SoR needs to FALL several tiers before it even starts to think about being competitive again. But it can’t because it’s going to be stuck in a silver league it doesn’t belong in for the next two months. Nobody is transferring to a dead WvW server. Not until it can stabilize in tier 7ish and rebuild, anyhow.

truewingnut.2517:

Yep, same CRAP, different week. What happened to randomizing the match-ups?

Guess they are gonna try and kill WvW. Watching DB gain 150+ points over 3 weeks to take a higher spot because SoR is tanking. Pitiful.

SoR isn’t tanking. Tanking insinuates that there is a concerted effort on the server not to show up for WvW in order to improve the odds of landing in a league underneath the one we’re currently in. Two things run contrary to this statement:

A. Nobody WvWing on SoR because there’s nobody left on SoR to WvW. It’s not a tank, it’s a free fall.

B. SoR belongs in Bronze. But even if there was some sort of server-wide effort to ‘tank’ to bronze (there isn’t, it’s just where SoR is heading because the vast majority of the WvW left) it won’t be able to lose enough points before the season starts. It would take another week, possibly two, even bleeding as much as SoR is bleeding. That’s not DB’s fault and it’s certainly not the fault of the few people left WvWing in SoR. And as much as I’d like ArenaNet to force SoR down to a more appropriate level before the season starts, that wouldn’t be fair to the servers in Bronze who don’t want to go up to Silver. So it’s a rock and a hard place right now, but the point is, there’s no plot on SoR to try to skew DB up into Gold. It is just what it is.

Same issue here with IoJ/BP/YB.

4th week in a row for us…..

ShinsVortex.3175:

maybe SBI and SoR are doing it on purpose to drop in rank to get cheaper transfers? shrug just a hunch

Worst ‘hunch’ ever.
No way possible for SBI or SoR to get out of the 2400 transfer cost before league starts.
After league starts, if they manage to drop to the 10-12 range, transfers are still 1400, and 13-15 are 1000.
Nobody will pay that.
SBI should be a good destination before prices go up.
SBI should do ok in silver league. Probably not 1st, but a really good chance to finish high.

geekanerd.4123:

Archilese.3218:

T1 and T2 has never been more balanced, both matchups were within 10k of each other, want to know why? because the guilds on T1 and T2 move to balance out the servers as much as they can.

DB people complaining that you win to much, quit being spastic and MOVE

SBI/SOR, merge your guilds and get some from lower tiers

Use your brain, DB can’t beat anybody in T2 why would you want them to move up that just means either FA or Mag will drop back down and will kitten all over you harder

No major WvW guilds are paying 1800 gems to come to SoR for a week to fight DB. And no major WvW guilds are paying 2400 gems to get curb stomped during the league afterwards. You have to know that, right? I mean, the best I could say otherwise is that you need to do something about the utter naivety you possess about SoR’s current situation. At worst, that’s just a dumb statement to make. Either way, SoR needs to FALL several tiers before it even starts to think about being competitive again. But it can’t because it’s going to be stuck in a silver league it doesn’t belong in for the next two months. Nobody is transferring to a dead WvW server. Not until it can stabilize in tier 7ish and rebuild, anyhow.

truewingnut.2517:

Yep, same CRAP, different week. What happened to randomizing the match-ups?

Guess they are gonna try and kill WvW. Watching DB gain 150+ points over 3 weeks to take a higher spot because SoR is tanking. Pitiful.

SoR isn’t tanking. Tanking insinuates that there is a concerted effort on the server not to show up for WvW in order to improve the odds of landing in a league underneath the one we’re currently in. Two things run contrary to this statement:

A. Nobody WvWing on SoR because there’s nobody left on SoR to WvW. It’s not a tank, it’s a free fall.

B. SoR belongs in Bronze. But even if there was some sort of server-wide effort to ‘tank’ to bronze (there isn’t, it’s just where SoR is heading because the vast majority of the WvW left) it won’t be able to lose enough points before the season starts. It would take another week, possibly two, even bleeding as much as SoR is bleeding. That’s not DB’s fault and it’s certainly not the fault of the few people left WvWing in SoR. And as much as I’d like ArenaNet to force SoR down to a more appropriate level before the season starts, that wouldn’t be fair to the servers in Bronze who don’t want to go up to Silver. So it’s a rock and a hard place right now, but the point is, there’s no plot on SoR to try to skew DB up into Gold. It is just what it is.

ShinsVortex.3175:

maybe SBI and SoR are doing it on purpose to drop in rank to get cheaper transfers? shrug just a hunch

I can’t speak for SBI, but SoR isn’t. Now, I suppose there’s an outside chance SoR could hit rank 13 the end of the week if some numbers fall into place, which would put it in line for free transfers. However, I’m of the opinion that even with free transfers, SoR will not get much of an influx if any, simply because I don’t think there’s no way enough people will come into SoR to make it competitive in Silver. There’s no point. At Bronze we’d have a puncher’s chance, but, again, it’s not going to happen until after the season ends.

Archilese.3218:

T1 and T2 has never been more balanced, both matchups were within 10k of each other, want to know why? because the guilds on T1 and T2 move to balance out the servers as much as they can.

DB people complaining that you win to much, quit being spastic and MOVE

SBI/SOR, merge your guilds and get some from lower tiers

Use your brain, DB can’t beat anybody in T2 why would you want them to move up that just means either FA or Mag will drop back down and will kitten all over you harder

Well, SoR’s guilds transfered to TC, and other t1 and t2. And, Mag got guilds from below t2, to get back into t2.

The glicko ratings are crap. SoR was losing 82 points when they were losing by 150k. But, the more they were losing by, the less points they were going to lose (was up to 80 points at part). So, we are stuck with them for one more week, because the ratings didn’t allow IoJ to move past SoR, when IoJ easily won their match.

Boring week, but guess what…. Next week we can get spanked by FA, allowing FA to get into gold, and dumping DB back into silver… YAY us.

Also, in response to geekanerd
“I can’t speak for SBI, but SoR isn’t. Now, I suppose there’s an outside chance SoR could hit rank 13 the end of the week if some numbers fall into place, which would put it in line for free transfers. However, I’m of the opinion that even with free transfers, SoR will not get much of an influx if any, simply because I don’t think there’s no way enough people will come into SoR to make it competitive in Silver. There’s no point. At Bronze we’d have a puncher’s chance, but, again, it’s not going to happen until after the season ends.”

there is no way for them to drop to 13. It seems the max you can lose is around 80 points. 12th is the lowest you can possibly drop this week.

Reverence.6915:

Don’t know what to tell you. We’ve had extremely lopsided matches before, either completely outnumbered or completely outnumbered our opponent, and it was boring. Balanced matches are more fun but it just means the same names every day. Also allows good rivalries to develop.

You live in t1, which isn’t even real wvw for most of the servers.

Transfer down to t5, during the free transfer period, and see how the other 75 percent of us live.

I wonder if Anet is smart enough to consider locking JQ, TC, BG, SoS, FA and Mag into gold league now rather than wait and let DB get into a league they shouldn’t be in just because of SoR feeding it free rating.

It’s really just simple business management, keep the majority happy. Since 3/4 of the WvW pop is on the top 6 NA servers (yes, the pop number was pulled out of my kitten), Anet will keep the greatest amount of players happy by catering to them. T3 and below need not apply. The policy seems quite clear if you wish to WvW outside EotM, transfer to T1-2 or uninstall. I know what I chose… and no you can’t have my stuff.

Good hunting and good luck

If DB really wants to Silver league, they should send their evening karmatrains to holiday for the next 2 weeks. As an IoJ-member I would rather see them in silver league than FA. (I can’t believe that I wrote this). I saw once that we had beaten their zerg, so I believe ioj can handle DB.

The 4th week with BP and YB. Yeah, it’s getting boring. Reminds me on DH/DR-matches over weeks. If we could only see the names of the other player, then might be the matches funnier.

Finish last vs #20 and #23, get matched against #19 and #21 <- Anet logic.

This is really an awful move on Anet’s part, letting the matchups become so stagnant. Especially right before they introduce a new system for matchups for anyone that hasn’t already gotten bored and frustrated and quit. Adding onto the fact that ESO is releasing in a couple weeks… the wvw population is about to get reeeeaaallly thinned out.

As someone on SoR, I can’t complain. Our only fair matchup right now would be against a person in a coma. Can’t expect ANet to accommodate that.

I actually like that matchups have stabilized with the emphasis on reducing the number of times you are competing with servers well beyond your capabilities, either above or below, but the constant repeats (I’m also IOJ; IOJ/BP/YB for four weeks) is ridiculous. Therefore I’d like to propose two changes to the matchmaking system.

1: At least one server from the previous week must be swapped out for a different server.

2: You cannot face the same server for more than two out of three consecutive weeks.

This would probably result in greater likelihood of more unbalanced matchups, but I think this would be closer to a happy compromise to the system in place.

You guys blame Anet or DB for them potentially getting into Gold, but really its the playerbase you should blame. So many people have jumped from servers 8-24 to 1-6 it’s ridiculous. No one should really be blaming DB for anything, since they’ve been basically the same server with a few minor pickups over time.

And Archilese, your post is ridiculous. T1 and T2 do not move servers for balance reasons. They’re trying to win the coverage game. And we’ve had enough of guilds from lower tiers jumping to higher ones. How about guilds go from higher tiers to lower ones to actually balance things out for more servers?

Vyrance.1723:

And Archilese, your post is ridiculous. T1 and T2 do not move servers for balance reasons. They’re trying to win the coverage game. And we’ve had enough of guilds from lower tiers jumping to higher ones. How about guilds go from higher tiers to lower ones to actually balance things out for more servers?

Then they get no fights outside of a 3 hour window during prime time. No one wants that.

ShinsVortex.3175:

maybe SBI and SoR are doing it on purpose to drop in rank to get cheaper transfers? shrug just a hunch

I’m on SBI and I can assure we’re not intentionally tanking. In fact, we’re fighting very hard and a lot of people are putting in some seriously long hours, but we just don’t have the coverage to compete with DB. There are 7 stacked servers right now and a big gulf between them and the servers below them.

SOR is still in free fall from their mass exodus. When another server moves into T3 to take SOR’s place, maybe the matchup won’t be quite so lopsided. Right now it’s effectively DB v. SBI, since SOR poses no real threat to DB or SBI.

maocat.6427:

As someone on SoR, I can’t complain. Our only fair matchup right now would be against a person in a coma. Can’t expect ANet to accommodate that.

lol .

Before we wanted even matches so ANet decided to match the servers strictly in triplets, and strangely enough this matchup is 7-9. Now that being said this is because SoR’s rating needs time to adjust, it will drop out of T3 next week or the week after. Now this is the part that creates controversy: should ANet do things like make a judgment call and put SoR in a T4 match this week in anticipation of them losing rating? Seems reasonable but I’m not certain.

A lot of people like that hater from Mag don’t like DB because it has SEA guilds. We also have only 2 EU guilds on weekends and 1 on weekdays. Don’t be kitten just because you don’t outcoverage us in all time zones.

XacTactX.6709:

Before we wanted even matches so ANet decided to match the servers strictly in triplets, and strangely enough this matchup is 7-9. Now that being said this is because SoR’s rating needs time to adjust, it will drop out of T3 next week or the week after. Now this is the part that creates controversy: should ANet do things like make a judgment call and put SoR in a T4 match this week in anticipation of them losing rating? Seems reasonable but I’m not certain.

A lot of people like that hater from Mag don’t like DB because it has SEA guilds. We also have only 2 EU guilds on weekends and 1 on weekdays. Don’t be kitten just because you don’t outcoverage us in all time zones.

We don’t want DB in T2 for reasons that have nothing to do with your SEA coverage. We all know that DB is nowhere near capable of competing in T2. They’ll be absolutely destroyed. Likewise, if FA gets shoved down to silver for the league because of DB consuming score from SOR, every silver league server is going to wish DB was back, because FA will absolutely dominate, and it won’t be fun for anyone involved.

Most of this is an artifact of SoR’s collapse, I’m afraid. These sorts of rating systems don’t deal particularly well with sudden, dramatic and permanent changes in competitiveness; it takes time for them to adjust.

I don’t care if the match up is the same every week if it is fun to play. They do that for balanced matchups. Right now my matchup is pretty unbalanced (like 400-150-50) every week. And i see that in almost every matchup.

Arenanet you are destroying WvW in every change you made. Season 2 don’t gonna to save you from the new MMORPG coming this year.

Tl;dr: Every WvW population discussion ever.

the thing about randomized matchups is, they’re randomized. have you ever rolled the same thing three dice rolls in a row? it happens.

and in GW2, many of the repeats aren’t even unlikely ones. the randomization system isn’t designed to ensure you always get a different matchup, it’s designed only to ensure that you have a chance to get a different one (because different matchups usually result in blowouts, which aren’t fun). let’s look at DB+SBI+SoR:

3/14: 15.9% (#3 most likely outcome)
3/7: 50.6% (#1 most likely outcome)
2/28: 51.9% (#1 most likely outcome)

ok, DB got an unlucky roll this week, and the randomization system kicked in to give you a less-likely matchup (your #3 option). really, the problem here isn’t the lack of randomization; the randomization is what gave you this match again. here are all of the predicted matchups for DB this week, with their probabilities of occurring (expressed as percentages):

0.023881 Tarnished Coast Maguuma
0.017480 Tarnished Coast Fort Aspenwood
0.105918 Blackgate Maguuma
0.078282 Blackgate Fort Aspenwood
35.582545 Sea of Sorrows Maguuma
26.434173 Sea of Sorrows Fort Aspenwood
3.431385 Maguuma Fort Aspenwood
15.902196 Stormbluff Isle Sanctum of Rall
12.462647 Stormbluff Isle Isle of Janthir
2.994132 Stormbluff Isle Borlis Pass
1.682697 Stormbluff Isle Yak’s Bend
1.119851 Sanctum of Rall Isle of Janthir
0.083935 Sanctum of Rall Borlis Pass
0.008348 Sanctum of Rall Yak’s Bend
0.064809 Isle of Janthir Borlis Pass
0.006536 Isle of Janthir Yak’s Bend
0.001185 Borlis Pass Yak’s Bend

without randomization, it probably would have been DB+SoS+Mag this week.

also, YB+BP+IoJ is not a huge surprise to see repeated. here are the probabilities you had each week:
3/14: 46.3% (#1 most likely outcome)
3/7: 78.6% (#1 most likely outcome)
2/28: 69.5% (#1 most likely outcome)
2/21: 78.0% (#1 most likely outcome)

yes, getting the most likely outcome 4 weeks in a row doesn’t feel random, but sometimes you get a winning streak. or a losing one, depending on how you look at it.

-ken

No win scenario for Anet

1. Try to match similar strength servers to battle each other = people complain about lack of variety.

2. More random matchups = people complain about fighting servers that are way stronger/weaker than their own. Too many blowouts.

I’m sure Anet, and all of us, would love to hear the solution. Complaining is easy, obviously. Tougher to solve the issue.

I like the parts where people’s opinions are clearly in ignorance of the subject they are complaining about, and the system in which they are playing the game. E.g., nearly every post here, and…

Rodeno.8476:

Tl;dr: Every WvW population discussion ever.

Thread needs to read a book, RTFM, and RTFA.

This topic isn’t even something worth complaining about. Working as intended..

truewingnut.2517:

Yep, same CRAP, different week. What happened to randomizing the match-ups?

Guess they are gonna try and kill WvW. Watching DB gain 150+ points over 3 weeks to take a higher spot because SoR is tanking. Pitiful.

I like the way you say that, because SoR is tanking, maybe your not up to date with current events, SoR is hardly tanking, they have very little to NO WvW coverage atm, and are in a state or repair given that id say about 80-90% of there WVW coverage left the server,

For everyone else going on about the matchups they are currently in, going on the rankings its all going to changed next week,

DB should move up to to T2,
FA will drop to T3
SoR will drop to T4
IoJ should move up to T3

That will shake things up, on the Yaks bend part WvW has been dead there for along time, that’s why many of us left about a year ago now things maybe changing there as I heard recently that a hardcore PvD commander left the game, so who knows.

Forzani.2584:

No win scenario for Anet

1. Try to match similar strength servers to battle each other = people complain about lack of variety.

2. More random matchups = people complain about fighting servers that are way stronger/weaker than their own. Too many blowouts.

I’m sure Anet, and all of us, would love to hear the solution. Complaining is easy, obviously. Tougher to solve the issue.

You don’t understand. “try to match similar strength servers” = FAIL because i am in the SBI/DB/SoR match up and is unbalanced as hell, like OP said, 400 – 150 – 50. For 3 week in a row.

The current “fair and balance improve matchup” arenanet made is a BIG FAIL, was better before, because was the same unbalanced thing with more variety at least.

urieldhynne.2743:

You don’t understand. “try to match similar strength servers” = FAIL because i am in the SBI/DB/SoR match up and is unbalanced as hell, like OP said, 400 – 150 – 50. For 3 week in a row.

The current “fair and balance improve matchup” arenanet made is a BIG FAIL, was better before, because was the same unbalanced thing with more variety at least.

That reasoning is a BIG FAIL. You don’t care about why or how, nor for within what context, so your argument is FAIL: A BIG FAIL.

I think the point is that DB, SBI and SoR are ranked #7, #8 and #9. in terms of rating, these servers are as closely matched as they can be (without giving another server an even worse matchup), and despite this the matchup is still a blowout.

the problem is that population is the single most important factor in determining server strength, players are free to go where they want (and create even more imbalance) and ArenaNet hasn’t done anything to change this in any meaningful way.

adjusting transfer costs on the basis of PvE population is pointless. blanket ‘free transfers’ to half the servers (regardless of whether any particular target server is currently well-matched with the servers near it, or not) is not likely to have any productive outcome. etc.

you either have to lock players into tiers and forcibly move them between servers to create balance, or you have to completely redesign WvW so that population isn’t the most important determining factor. I do not see how Arenanet can reasonably do either of these things, which means things are never going to significantly improve.

-ken

The entire system is flawed and needs a re-imagining.

Honestly the main issue is that there are too many dead servers…

It should be 18 servers, split in 2 leagues of 9 or 3 leagues of 6.

This wouldn’t just help WvW, it would help PvE. The bottom half servers are desolate places.

This isn’t a problem. It is an amusement generator running at full tilt.

Low tier servers claim that they need more people to create “balance”.

High tier servers claim the same.

You are both right. It is a wonderfully chaotic system of perpetual frustration. That is the game, play it or not. You signed up for it (yes you did, stop right there with trying to argue. You absolutely did sign up for it. Just stop. LOL.)

Here is a thought for making sure DB doesn’t threaten T2 gvgs longterm though. Offset their SEA… The only server that might do that still is CD with SBI’s help. Unfortunately CD doesn’t have the numbers currently. So help get people onto CD. I hear they will get free transfers option to CD soon too. Bump their recruitment thread if you can.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/Crystal-Desert-Are-you-interested/first#post3764068

Straegen.2938:

The entire system is flawed and needs a re-imagining.

Kurr.4179:

Honestly the main issue is that there are too many dead servers…

It should be 18 servers, split in 2 leagues of 9 or 3 leagues of 6.

This wouldn’t just help WvW, it would help PvE. The bottom half servers are desolate places.

Agree.

Anet needs to understand the theory of cause and effect. They completely ignored human nature when they allowed free transfers….or in fact any transfers. People gravitate to the ‘grass is greener’ concept. Combine that with wanting to play on servers they deemed more powerful with a game that rewards servers with more coverage and you have created a disaster.

The current setup is not fixable. It will require a full revamp for WvW to survive. I’m not sure if Anet has the will or desire to put the necessary work in.

Luvpie.8350:

Here is a thought for making sure DB doesn’t threaten T2 gvgs longterm though. Offset their SEA… The only server that might do that still is CD with SBI’s help. Unfortunately CD doesn’t have the numbers currently. So help get people onto CD. I hear they will get free transfers option to CD soon too. Bump their recruitment thread if you can.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/Crystal-Desert-Are-you-interested/first#post3764068

No.

DB gonna upset many things. Much rustle incoming.

Forzani.2584:

Straegen.2938:

The entire system is flawed and needs a re-imagining.

Kurr.4179:

Honestly the main issue is that there are too many dead servers…

It should be 18 servers, split in 2 leagues of 9 or 3 leagues of 6.

This wouldn’t just help WvW, it would help PvE. The bottom half servers are desolate places.

Agree.

Anet needs to understand the theory of cause and effect. They completely ignored human nature when they allowed free transfers….or in fact any transfers. People gravitate to the ‘grass is greener’ concept. Combine that with wanting to play on servers they deemed more powerful with a game that rewards servers with more coverage and you have created a disaster.

The current setup is not fixable. It will require a full revamp for WvW to survive. I’m not sure if Anet has the will or desire to put the necessary work in.

No.

ANet has done precisely what should be done for them to profit from human nature, and this is a primary responsibility they have to their internal and business stakeholders.

…and enough with all these recruitment “strategies” and drama inducing guild transfers.

Virtute.8251:

No.
ANet has done precisely what should be done for them to profit from human nature, and this is a primary responsibility they have to their shareholders.

Allowing free transfers a year+ ago helped them how? Offering free transfers again now trying to correct their mistakes?

Yes, they made some money in between these times with paid transfers but at what expense?

I could think of analogy after analogy of other businesses failing after doing the same thing. Short term profit followed by bankruptcy. If I was a shareholder I wouldn’t be happy with this…unless I had witnessed their actions and sold my stock before the inevitable collapse.