Guild Wars 2

So European Tier 1 (#1,#2,#3 servers) are matched up against each other since 4-5 weeks now.

Where Vizunah and Piken share 5 weeks while SFR share 4 weeks with other 2 servers.

This is getting boring i would say but it reached the boiling point where people from both 3 server barely log WvW anymore and for a good reason.

The new MU system is bad and instead of making it percent determined match-up system you could simple use the same system you used in Leagues.

Where Gold league servers will meet each other with max duplication of 2 times.Same for Silver and Bronze.Where the #1 silver and #9 gold can flip their places depending on their points in the ladders allowing bronze #1 and Silver #9 to do the same.And if a flipping happens the new server inside the gold,server,bronze will take the place of the flipped server and vice versa adding additional variety to the match ups.

So what you are saying, you want to fight servers from Silver league so you can just dominate battlegrounds?
Or do you have at least some even fights?
Because t1 seems balanced for me.

At least I fight in wvw to have great fights not for easy wins. For easy wins your whole guild can just transfer to T7 or T8.

No I’m saying that the random Match-Up should be more than 3 server fighting each other forever.
I’m saying that league match-up system was good where you fight 9 servers not 3 like now.
You never red my example and never checked the league ladders or you would know that i never said or asked to be matched up with Vabbi for example but only the servers who was in league ladders.(this makes 9 servers to fight each other with a chance to rank up and move to higher league and meet the #7-#8-#9 of the upper league who are not so stronger than you – they’re at last spots of the current lague for a that reason)

I want to be able to fight other servers who i enjoyed fighting a lot during leagues like – Jade Sea,Baruch bay,Elona Reach,Kodash and Riverside!
Those server are the gold league servers and i have truly golden memories fighting each of those servers during the Leagues.They have really skilled solo/dur players and organized guilds who earned their respect in the battlefield.
I want to be able to fight them too not only 35 days same players and server – Vizunah and SFR.

P.S. Don’t forget that leagues are over and people are back to their FUN play style without pushing too much so top Silver League servers can match any gold league servers in battlefield.

I wouldn’t like to fight lower tier servers and be bored senseless because our server dominates, I would however like a different matchup than Piken/Sfr/Vizunah because it’s like frikkin Groundhog Day and it’s getting boring.

I’m not sure how Anet is going to resolve this but they need to do something because WvWvW is getting stale and people will eventually move on to other things.

To make my proposition clear I’m attaching this ladder table with separate gold,silver and bronze divisions.

My idea is to make the match-up like it was in leagues where every server had to fight the server inside their current division – gold,silver and bronze.
This was a better match-up system why ? – because you was able to fight other servers every other week and the duplicating match ups was only 2 (same 3 servers).

I’ve said that they will be able to fight other gold servers and if the Silver #1 increases the gab with #2 silver than #1 can go up and replace #9 gold server and fight vs #8 and #7 gold for 1 week.After this 1 week if the old #1 silver who moved up have bad score result it will drop back to silver division and the old #9 can rise up to gold gain.

Thats the basic way i can explain the system I’m proposing and i say it again this system don’t involve #1 Gold server to fight #9 Bronze. (e.g. Vizunag vs Vabbi)
Fighting will be only inside the gold,silver and bronze with low chance of #9 gold able to flip place with #1 silver and #9 Silver to replace #1 bronze depending on scores only for 1 or 2 weeks again depending on scores.

Solution is easy: stop fighting
then you wil ldrop tier and enjoy fighting other servers.
But glicko is in place for last 2 matchups. I would give it a chance for at least 5 matchups.
Kodash now have almost the same points as you so at friday reset Piken may fight Elona and Jade sea

The main problem is, anyone in Tier 1 dominates everything after that with 100k++ Points by the end of the week….

Anet needs to close some servers to make more servers equivalent… else it’s gonna stay boring forever

And dont forget the problem with RNG.
There is RNG for + and – numbers.
While if all 3 T1 servers get +number, the will fight themselves.
It is because they are the top of servers, look for example on other fights this week:
ranks: 6vs12vs1, 8vs15vs9, 10vs16vs14, 13vs18vs19, 17vs20vs21

As it looks the solutions is simple: transfer outside T1
I know it is bad solution as “you dont want to leave your server” but hey you are limited from one side to get opponents. You dont have any opponents better than Vizu and SFR. Go to like Tier 4 or 5 and you will get plenty of random matchups.

I know bad advice but it is the only advice that is good for servers outside T1. Why?
-adjusting glicko to more variety will result in much more blowouts in outher tiers
-T1 servers will just have more opportunity to stomp lower tier servers like week 37= SFR stomping both Kodash and desolation=not fun for Kodash and Desolation

Hule your propositions are really bad because :

Top servers are made by hardcore wvw guilds who play wvw only or mostly if they stop playing wvw they will:

Stop playing Guild wars 2 at all and look for another game which can offer better battles and ArenaNET will loose – Player base and money. (Many wvw oriented guilds quit gw2 already so you’re suggesting that more should leave until all wvw servers are deserted?)

On top of that you said that low rank servers are getting stomped by top ranks ?

Well thats not correct if you go read the match-up topics of Piken vs XX vs XX from leagues times you will see that everyone was happy from all the epic battles that we all had back than.

I remember fighting each one of the gold division server and we all got epic battles that we didn’t have for very long time.
I’m talking about both small scale and large scale battles where low tier servers wiped our guilds many times as well as we wiped them.

Going to low tier server for a large hardcore guild is not a good option too since it involves betraying the home server,dis-balancing the low tier server and their opponents,increasing the queue times for server’s core players/guilds and on top of everything making server shift place going up in tiers.

I’ve seen many big guilds moving to lower tiers where they’re unable to find anything to fight against after some time because they’re large in numbers and “stomp” smaller guilds from lower tiers who play more casual.Than they end up wasting a lot money transferring there and transferring back to home server after some time or other top tier server as well as loosing players who get sick of all this moving back and forth who simply quit Guild Wars 2 and move to other games.

Yes i know it is not good idea, but on the other hand you want to destabilise other tiers than T1.
You want more variety for T1 and it does not matter if T2-T8 will have really bad matchups (look on FR).

You can find great battles in fighting lower tiers, I for example loved being stomped by FR because it was fun fighting them, but after 3 weeks it really got boring.

And dont forget many people transfered to T1 because of easy loot and that “lower tiers are dead”

Hule.8794:

Yes i know it is not good idea, but on the other hand you want to destabilise other tiers than T1.
You want more variety for T1 and it does not matter if T2-T8 will have really bad matchups (look on FR).

You can find great battles in fighting lower tiers, I for example loved being stomped by FR because it was fun fighting them, but after 3 weeks it really got boring.

And dont forget many people transfered to T1 because of easy loot and that “lower tiers are dead”

You are completely over exaggerating though.

We aren’t proposing the #1 tier 1 server fights a tier 5 server. The worst possible match up would be #3 tier 2 server going against #1 tier 1, and even that match up wouldn’t be a complete blow out due to the other server in the match up.

We are talking about A LITTLE variety in match ups, not a HUGE variety.

The match ups will still be relatively balanced to be honest.

Does this mean servers like FA fighting BG have a huge chance of winning? No, not really. But if I was in FA’s shoes I would like at least a chance at fighting a tier 1 server every once in a while just to see how they measure up in terms of improvement.

variety or balanced matches, it’s one or the other.

the season was a period of variety>balance, it’s nice to go back to balance>variety for a while.

It is possible to have a semblance of both but Anet refuses to do it. All it would take would be some manual matchmaking. Or at least manual adjustments to RNG if it spits out crap.

the last 15 months of WvW have proven otherwise.

manual matchmaking wouldn’t change anything since there aren’t any servers that have more than 1-3 servers they can have a balanced match with. So either they fight those servers, or they get “variety” in the form of blowout matches that no one participates in past Monday.

You’re saying even though the EU servers are closer in rating than NA, there are only 1 – 3 comparable servers?

In NA (not counting the top 3), I would say each server has between 3 and 6 servers that it could be matched up with and have a reasonable matchup.

It doesn’t have to be perfect – and it can’t be. But it can be better than either-or, either you have variety or stale matches.

Even if there were only 3 other servers your server could be matched up with it gives a lot of possible combinations.

Johje Holan.4607:

I would say each server has between 3 and 6 servers that it could be matched up with and have a reasonable matchup.

our definitions of what a reasonable matchup is must differ quite a lot.

Don’t worry piken don’t have to stop fighting they just lose naturally. Matchup will change when they lose enough rating then someone else will get to enjoy being farmed by SFR over and over again.

I especially enjoyed when SFR made waypoint in Vizuna keep in EB. IMO the whole thing is just karma, piken and vizuna double teamed SFR in league and now they get to be relentlessly farmed by them for weeks. SFR is enjoying the matchup, sorry to hear piken and vizuna aren’t lol. I anticipate Vizuna and Piken servers dying out, they won’t be able to withstand such a moral bashing for many weeks to come.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Johje Holan.4607:

I would say each server has between 3 and 6 servers that it could be matched up with and have a reasonable matchup.

our definitions of what a reasonable matchup is must differ quite a lot.

Reasonable Groupings:

BG/JQ/SoR

TC/SoS/FA/Mag/Yaks/SBI

DB is a problem. But they could be put with the above group occasionally for variety. They can also be put with the group below.

DB/BP/Ebay

CD/NsP/IoJ/HoD

DH/FC/AR/SF/Kain/GoM/ET/DR

Now there would obviously be cross “grouping” play. This is necessary and I would say desired.

Ebay might even fit better with CD/NsP/IoJ/HoD. And any of them could pop up and face DB/BP/Ebay. And DB/BP/Ebay could pop up occasionally.

I don’t know much about the last grouping but any of the higher ranked one’s could stand to face CD/NsP/IoJ/HoD once and awhile.

My real point is that it is possible to come up with better (not perfect) matches overall in the long run than RNG can do.

DivineBeing.2086:

You are completely over exaggerating though.

Lets get the facts:
You want more variety like before league. Because what they did they used same system like before leagues and changed variety from 200 to 100. And this is only for last one matchup, so we have experience only for 1 reset.
But with previous system with variety 200 we have a lot of experience like:
week 39:
3. Piken Square 363 609
14. Gunnar’s Hold 127 566
11. Abaddon’s Mouth 161 280

week 38
6. Jade Sea 189 101
5. Elona Reach 185 804
3. Piken Square 319 469

and go on to the past of Piken

Now lets face FIRST week on adjusted glicko (or what is the name)
2. Vizunah Square 158 821
1. Seafarer’s Rest 174 416
3. Piken Square 145 171

Now pure numbers are explaining why OP wants to revert matchmaking system to pre-season.

DivineBeing.2086:

We aren’t proposing the #1 tier 1 server fights a tier 5 server.

I dont see any other explanation. OP liked to fight 13 ranks lower server . Even against 2 ranks lower server, Pikens got almost same numbers like both lower servers together. (piken vs JS and ER).

So please wait at least few weeks, until you want to change this system again. After only one matchup?

Hule.8794:

DivineBeing.2086:

You are completely over exaggerating though.

Lets get the facts:
You want more variety like before league. Because what they did they used same system like before leagues and changed variety from 200 to 100. And this is only for last one matchup, so we have experience only for 1 reset.
But with previous system with variety 200 we have a lot of experience like:
week 39:
3. Piken Square 363 609
14. Gunnar’s Hold 127 566
11. Abaddon’s Mouth 161 280

week 38
6. Jade Sea 189 101
5. Elona Reach 185 804
3. Piken Square 319 469

and go on to the past of Piken

Now lets face FIRST week on adjusted glicko (or what is the name)
2. Vizunah Square 158 821
1. Seafarer’s Rest 174 416
3. Piken Square 145 171

Now pure numbers are explaining why OP wants to revert matchmaking system to pre-season.

DivineBeing.2086:

We aren’t proposing the #1 tier 1 server fights a tier 5 server.

I dont see any other explanation. OP liked to fight 13 ranks lower server . Even against 2 ranks lower server, Pikens got almost same numbers like both lower servers together. (piken vs JS and ER).

So please wait at least few weeks, until you want to change this system again. After only one matchup?

Dude i want MU to be same like The League Season and NOT Pre-Season.

In league season 1 Piken played against – Baruch bay,Riverside,Kodash,Augury Rock,Elona reach and Jase sea but past 5 WEEKS we play against Vizunah and SFR ONLY.

I want to be able to play again against all other servers who was in gold league not only Vizunah and SFR for 5 weeks.

Really please read before posting because in all of my post I’m giving example of league season.

People complain about fighting same servers over and over
Anet adds more variance
People complain they are fighting servers that are too strong/too weak for them.
Anet lowers variance.
People complain about fighting same servers over and over

We are just going around in circles people.

For me this whole topic sounds like a stacking server saying
" GIVE ME FRESH MEAT !!!!! GRRRR"

Luna.9640:

Top servers are made by hardcore wvw guilds who play wvw only or mostly if they stop playing wvw they will:
(..)
Going to low tier server for a large hardcore guild is not a good option too since it involves betraying the home server,dis-balancing the low tier server and their opponents,increasing the queue times for server’s core players/guilds and on top of everything making server shift place going up in tiers.

Nope, Top servers are made with time coverage. You’ll find “hardcore WvW guilds” on every servers in Gold and Silver. For example, VoTF are currently on a silver server.

Luna.9640:

On top of that you said that low rank servers are getting stomped by top ranks ?

This is true. I’m from Augury rock, the 9th of this league. We’ve been stomped during 7 weeks. Now Mu are better and more balanced, and you want to fight us ?

We don’t have a chance to win. Of course we’ll provide some goods fights during prime time, but would you really want to play WvW if you were sure that all upgrades will be lost during the night/morning ?
It would just destroy our server, which is hardly recovering from the league. So no, please, no.

Luna.9640:

I’ve seen many big guilds moving to lower tiers where they’re unable to find anything to fight against after some time because they’re large in numbers and “stomp” smaller guilds from lower tiers who play more casual.Than they end up wasting a lot money transferring there and transferring back to home server after some time or other top tier server as well as loosing players who get sick of all this moving back and forth who simply quit Guild Wars 2 and move to other games.

Again, there are some really good guilds in silver league. Stop being arrogant and open your eyes

Luna.9640:

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You’ve only been fighting the same servers for 3 matches, not 5. IDK how you keep getting that number but it is very wrong.

Omnitek.3876:

People complain about fighting same servers over and over
Anet adds more variance
People complain they are fighting servers that are too strong/too weak for them.
Anet lowers variance.
People complain about fighting same servers over and over

We are just going around in circles people.

Mmhmm, which is why others have suggested more radical solutions than the OP, like changing WvW from server v server to some kind of faction v faction, or shortening the duration of matchups to a few days. The OP’s suggestion would be satisfactory in the short term, but ultimately I’m in agreement with others that something more radical needs to take place. Most WvW guilds play for good fights and not PPT (which is why so many xfer – if they played for PPT they could play anywhere), so repeatedly encountering the same zergs/guild groups over and over quickly gets dull because there isn’t much variance in tactics and skill level. I know in my server’s current (boring) matchup some guilds avoid each other at all costs because they already know what the outcome will be; it’s fun for neither the losers nor the victors of those encounters.

Something needs to change.

Markus.9084:

For me this whole topic sounds like a stacking server saying
" GIVE ME FRESH MEAT !!!!! GRRRR"

Luna.9640:

Top servers are made by hardcore wvw guilds who play wvw only or mostly if they stop playing wvw they will:
(..)
Going to low tier server for a large hardcore guild is not a good option too since it involves betraying the home server,dis-balancing the low tier server and their opponents,increasing the queue times for server’s core players/guilds and on top of everything making server shift place going up in tiers.

Nope, Top servers are made with time coverage. You’ll find “hardcore WvW guilds” on every servers in Gold and Silver. For example, VoTF are currently on a silver server.

Luna.9640:

On top of that you said that low rank servers are getting stomped by top ranks ?

This is true. I’m from Augury rock, the 9th of this league. We’ve been stomped during 7 weeks. Now Mu are better and more balanced, and you want to fight us ?

We don’t have a chance to win. Of course we’ll provide some goods fights during prime time, but would you really want to play WvW if you were sure that all upgrades will be lost during the night/morning ?
It would just destroy our server, which is hardly recovering from the league. So no, please, no.

Luna.9640:

I’ve seen many big guilds moving to lower tiers where they’re unable to find anything to fight against after some time because they’re large in numbers and “stomp” smaller guilds from lower tiers who play more casual.Than they end up wasting a lot money transferring there and transferring back to home server after some time or other top tier server as well as loosing players who get sick of all this moving back and forth who simply quit Guild Wars 2 and move to other games.

Again, there are some really good guilds in silver league. Stop being arrogant and open your eyes

I always enjoyed fighting Against VoTF same for all other guild who like fighting but moved to lower tier servers. (they moved because of queues not because core silver tier guilds provide better fights)

Thats the main reason I’ve made this suggestion for MU variation – so we can fight them too instead of fighting a hand full of VS/SFR guilds forever.

(You’re talking to someone from Piken mate where we care only for the good fights not PPT or anything else since the launch – you should know this and remember it)

Luna.9640:

Dude i want MU to be same like The League Season and NOT Pre-Season.

In league season 1 Piken played against – Baruch bay,Riverside,Kodash,Augury Rock,Elona reach and Jase sea but past 5 WEEKS we play against Vizunah and SFR ONLY.

I want to be able to play again against all other servers who was in gold league not only Vizunah and SFR for 5 weeks.

Really please read before posting because in all of my post I’m giving example of league season.

Dude you must realize that League Season 1 ended 14 days ago. Not 5 weeks.
So you fought SFR and Vizu in Season 1.
Then 1 matchup after Season 1.
Then Anet tweaked MU and you are in current matchup.

So it is only 2 weeks after League Season 1, and only 1 matchup (current one) is decided by adjusted MU.

You need to stop QQ and wait at least couple of weeks.

They say action speaks louder than words, so if you have a look at AG this week, we’ve drawn Riverside 2nd week in a row. All they seem to do is karma farm and dominate all the BL’s due to their numbers. If you look at chat you will see many frustrated players, and really empty BL’s. This is supposed to be fun, but its frustration when you cant even get a decent group together because people refuse to waste their time. I think whatever Anet are doing, its not working. Im really getting bored with this whole game, as I enjoy WvW the most, but what’s the point of fighting Gold servers week after week when we all know theirs only going to be one result. Will their ever be a solution to the balance, No! its not possible because it depends on the people playing, and without the people, the game dies. My opinion

Luna.9640:

Well thats not correct if you go read the match-up topics of Piken vs XX vs XX from leagues times you will see that everyone was happy from all the epic battles that we all had back than.

No all matchup with piken vizu and SFR you teamed up with vizunah. Thats not epic it is gutless.

the desolation curse followed me to piken

Isn’t it odd to even suggest that to enjoy a more varied WvW MU, you must intentionally lose battles or stop playing so you drop on the ladder?!

Out of so many European servers, how come SFR must repeatedly face Vizu and Piken over and over?? True, this is the 3rd week facing the same two worlds (last week of league + 2 consecutive MUs since then) – but given this new variance reduction algorithm, there’s a high chance it will be Vizu/Piken very often from now on…

We want variation, not fighting the same over and over, and we want good fights, and that will come from being put up against Gunnar’s Hold, Miller’s Sound, Vabbi, etc. And when the odds are completely off in those cases, well then Anet must implement mechanisms to buff the lower-tier/lower-ranked worlds so they come to “near-equal” terms. Ofc, world population is probably difficult to get balanced, but then find some way to compensate by way of allowing smaller world’s players port freely between their places so they can easily form big group defenses when the larger opposition is knocking on their tower door. Or buff their objectives’ defenses, or pit 2 of the smaller worlds together for a MU against the other worlds, so you get WvWv(W+W).

You would rather roflstomp weaker servers than have a close/competitive matchup? Really?

Those who stacked into T1 deserve to be matched up with each other for the rest of eternity (this applies to NA.. not sure whether stacking is as bad in EU).

Lord Kuru.3685:

Those who stacked into T1 deserve to be matched up with each other for the rest of eternity (this applies to NA.. not sure whether stacking is as bad in EU).

I lol at this.

If would be nice to see some reply from anet on these forums but you basically never do, because they D O N T C A R E it seems

1) It’s the 3rd week and not the 4-5.
2) the 1st of the 3 was the last league match not random
3) random means within the range of competition, after all the movements to SFR and Piken (e.g. half Deso) these is just no one else the top 3 can play against in a fair match.

4) The best way to get out of this match is to undo the stacking. Go back to your previous server and immediately you are in a different match.

5) If enough people unstack, the competition (to T2 servers) may be restored and the random-system will let Piken and/or one of the others out of T1.

6) This is great! No one of T2 want to match any of the T1 servers at the moment. It would be much to unbalanced.

I like fighting the same servers over and over, your idea would be great if the other servers in gold league had equal coverage, but it’s not even close. We’re beating JQ by 44k, anyone other than the top 3 and it’d be fullcaps and karma trains. I had enough of that during leagues.

Not even the first three servers have equal coverage, though.
The problem is always the same – night coverage making battles onesided.
Until it gets solved – if it will ever be solved – the ones on top will always be the ones no one wants to fight.
And the ones without night coverage that fight them will always be the scapegoat servers that will lose by default – getting impossible fights so that other ones can get the fair ones.
For that reason, i’m not even trying to fight. It is useless to fight when you already know you will lose. I call unconditional surrender on these fights, and just avoid WvsW (unless i need some skins, then i just log on the borderland, get them and return to Lion’s Arch).
Others can try to fight. Good luck for them. But personally, i won’t spend my time on an assured failure.

Sincerely, a piken citizen.

they are all just the red named (enemies) with different tags, no matter who you fight …

variety ? just a feeling…..

many people paid to go on vizu/sfr/piken to win +100/150k now they have to fight serveur as strong as them so they are not happy …so sad :/

JoeYl.4609:

many people paid to go on vizu/sfr/piken to win +100/150k now they have to fight serveur as strong as them so they are not happy …so sad :/

FTFY: As a Veteran Piken player who started GW2 on this server i can tell you that you’re wrong – No one payed to transfer to Piken because Piken was MEDIUM population server and at the beginning of Leagues and transfers to medium servers was FREE.

To the rest of people who think that SFR/VS/PS will be locked down forever to fight each other i can tell you that both of those 3 servers are slacking right now so next weeks there will be 6 servers facing one of the top 3 servers and get “STOMP” (Not!) as you called it by those.

As a core Piken player i don’t care who we fight against my post is aimed to show everyone that me and many others want to fight different Guilds/Players not different servers but the guilds those other servers have once in a while and not only same guilds from VS/SFR even tho they deliver quite good fights (hello WL).

You see i miss sIN/Bull from Baruch for example :< as well as the guilds from Riverside,Jade Sea,Elona,Kodash,Augury.

It’s like reading the same old book over and over – you wont learn anything new by reading it however if you had a chance to read many books you would know many things.
Same for Guild Wars 2 – playing against same guilds wont help to improve my game or skills in WvW/PvP but if i was about to fight other people who have different play style i could find more challenge and learn more while improving my fighting skills and having fun.

@Luna: I generally agree with your post: Variance is better than repetition.

But I must also say: balanced fights are better than domination.

The difficult choice is that between Variance and Balance. A pity that we have to make such a choice. ANet could simply nerf the coverage war to something more meaningful, such that we can have both Variance and Balance!

it should be:

Gold
1. Seafarer’s Rest
2. Vizunah Square
3. Piken Square

Silver
4. Kodash
5. Elona Reach
6. Riverside
7. Jade Sea
8. Augury Rock
9. Baruch Bay
10. Gandara
11. Desolation
12. Aurora Glade
13. Gunnar’s Hold
14. Far Shiverpeaks
15. Abaddon’s Mouth

Bronze
16. Miller’s Sound
17. Fort Ranik
18. Drakkar Lake
19. Ruins of Surmia
20. Dzagonur
21. Ring of Fire
22. Underworld
23. Arborstone
24. Fissure of Woe
25. Blacktide
26. Whiteside Ridge
27. Vabbi

- winner/loser in his league per week goes 1 higher or lower
- matchups can only be in same league

would give fair matchups and all servers would have something to play for

edit: so piken would go this week down to silver and kodasch up to gold

Or national servers could be in own league.

Please change. 5 weeks against the same servers is annoying, we want to fight different servers.

Fighting the same enemies week after week is boring, if you´re playing on Seafarer´s Rest, Piken Square or Vizunah Square you will most likely eventually get bored of it.

Please not the same matchup again and again. change server, PLEASE….

Please not Vizunah and piken again .

I agree with Luna…this is just getting sooo fugglin’ boring fighting the same servers again and again and again and… :S

plz some change to mix things up

cmon some server rotation please