Guild Wars 2

I haven’t had much time to play this week, so I wasn’t around when SoR hacked whatever they hacked, and I wasn’t on when my server hacked whatever it was. However, I will say this: I have a mesmer that I have successfully hidden inside a base for nearly an hour. I watched a few folks from SoR run right by the spot I was hiding in. And yes, I eventually ported a group inside. And yes, we took the keep. So just throwing that out there. Maybe you all didn’t clear the keep as well as you’d thought. The first week of T2, I hid inside DB on my mesmer. I swam behind a group of IoJ’s that were “searching” the water, and they never knew I was back there.

To the people calling us hackers and saying our server as a whole is made up of cheaters: What would you have us do? We don’t have the power to ban, as players. All we can do is report and move on. Maybe remove the person from whatever guild they were in. But, most of you are acting like we as a server should boycott the rest of the week because of 1 person’s actions.

I don’t expect you to boycott anything, but you can’t be pissed when people no longer have respect for you as a server.

Fact of the matter is in that video it was at least 30ish people that used the exploit portal. But that was the 6th or 7th portal of the night that he exploited in, at one point there were at least 60-70 BG that used it.

It’s shameful that out of the 6 or 7 portals each time at least 30-40 people sometimes upwards of 60-70 people, not one person spoke out about it how the same mesmer was dropping the 1st outter portal and then the 2nd inner and how no one spoke up when you’d see him jumping in the corner trying to glitch in.

It is OVER AND DONE WITH.

We don’t want the record for the fastest locked thread Is everyone having a fantastic day of WvWvW action?

@ Indo

Your opinion has been noted, and noted, and noted again. It’s a huge bummer what happened. But it did, matters are hopefully being taken care of appropriately, and hopefully it doesn’t happen again. Now, can we move on with the match before yet another thread gets locked?

Indo.8629:

I personally don’t know of any other servers who have been caught “red handed” twice in two different tiers.

almost every server, if not every server, has had members caught doing something dastardly.

are you new?

the problem was so widespread at one point they took out a major feature of wvw and
listed widespread and rampant hacking as one of the reasons.

Instead of complaining on the forums shouldn’t you be out there trying to plan a comeback?

Afaik the DB issue has been taken care of just as you took care of your issue.

And FYI I never look at an enemies portal unless I’m told to nuke it, if you’re spending time looking at it then I’m sorry but you’re doing it wrong.

When the orbs were hacked, in a match that was now 5 weeks ago, they were hacked by accounts that were known to have been native to SBI. I don’t paint SBI with the blame because there will always be trolls and the only way for them to have fun is by making things not fun for others. Blackgate condemned the hacking then and condemns the hacking now. How someone can just ignore the responses by our community and paint us all with the same brush is just mind boggling. The only issue that there ever was, up until midweek, SBI claimed that they were losing because of the orbs. Now, let’s be real here, orbs don’t give you points. End of story. You could have all 3 orbs and they still wouldn’t be accruing points for your server. Therefore, just because a server had an orb, doesn’t enable them to win at all.

Now, let’s look at the case here. Certain individuals are trying to assert that Blackgate, if we win, will have won illegitimately. Last I checked, Blackgate was leading by 7k. Let’s do some quick math to see how much this keep theft has affected the score. Assuming that SoR is the server who lost the keep to BG, SoR is sitting at -25. Since Blackgate gained the keep, they are at +25. This is a net gain of +50 ppt over SoR for Blackgate. For that +50 to turn into a 7k point lead, 140 point ticks would have to pass. Those point ticks would span 35 hours. Blackgate did not hold this keep for 35 hours, or anywhere close to that. I will concede that the game would be closer, but Blackgate would still be in the lead by roughly the same margin. Claims that this lead is not earned, are over-exaggerating the situation at hand. This is a common emotional fallacy and I understand that you are upset, but you have to realize that Blackgate has come this far through legitimate means. If you take away the time that SoR has held keeps that have been stolen, I’d say that the tradeoff in points would just about break even.

There are many accusations of more Blackgate guilds than just [ICoa] exploiting into the keep and I’m going to ask that people actually provide PROOF or EVIDENCE. I realize that this is the court of public opinion, but when you post the same lies, exaggerations, or accusations over and over again, you start to believe them as fact when it could not be further from the truth. What do you stand to gain from trying to defame and smear Blackgate’s name? Do you think it will somehow make your server win? Tactics do that and leaders do that, not spreading lies about others. There was a video showing that there was an exploit and it enabled Blackgate, as a community, to report those responsible and handle the matter internally. If you actually want something done, post screenshots and videos. If you decide you’re going to just type accusations and ignore providing proof, you will be written off as a troll and ignored. We are more than willing to handle cheating when it occurs, but if you are going to accuse a server of it, screenshots or video or it didn’t happen.

I watched the video, and actually looked for tags. It seems like I’m the only one who did this from the statements about “all of our guilds being privy to the act and willfully participating in it”. When the portal was activated, I saw mostly [ICoa], one Asuran mesmer from [HB] and an Asuran from a guild I do not recognize, [Pond]. Unfortunately, the person who took the video was running for his life, so I could not see any other tags. The fact of the matter remains that this was an act perpetrated by an individual formerly in [ICoa] and that these “other tags” were simply not there.

[ICoa]’s leadership has come forward and handled the matter publicly as well as internally. The leadership of [TID] have also come forward and handled the matter with the community as their witness, and I admire that. Indo, I respect what [TW] has done on SoR, but I cannot possibly believe that you are representative of them. You are so high on tearing down Blackgate with your words, that the things you are saying are far from their original base. Yes, there was an exploit and we reported those who did it. No, it is not all of our guilds. You do not get to tier 1 and stay in tier 1 by cheating, no matter how you look at it. If you doubt me, please see my math above.

Overall, I have a lot of respect for SoR and IoJ. There have been great battles and these last 2 weeks have been a lot of fun. Blackgate is not all over these forums slandering SoR and neither is IoJ. Indo, you are obviously the ring leader here and trying to stir things up. It needs to stop. Plain and simple. The match has a hell of a lot of potential as do the future matches. It looks like we are going to be seeing each other for a while, so we are going to have to get along.

Your math is assuming that ICOA didn’t just move from map to map and exploit bay, which is quite possible because at many points, all 3 bays have been held by BG.

The amount of points skewed by the exploiting is underestimated by everybody.

And you don’t have to like what I say, but I’m a competitor and anyone who cheats isn’t worthy of respecting as an opponent.

As for TW, I’m the guild leader and we play for the competition, period. The end result win/lose/draw is a by-product of the “fight”. The actual fight is what makes the game fun. When someone is cheating, it ruins both the fight and the result.

Anyone who cheats to win, whether by not speaking up or even participating, is just as bad as the cheater.

And I’m being vocal because quite frankly BG needs to be made an example of so that all the legitimate servers and guilds out there manage their player base better collectively so we can have good fights. Especially because of how many people actually used the exploited portal, that is what is the most troublesome. The TiD issue was a small guild, the ICOA exploit portals was at times the entire BL porting in with an exploit, that’s outrageous.

Indo.8629:

And I’m being vocal because quite frankly BG needs to be made an example of so that all the legitimate servers and guilds out there manage their player base better collectively so we can have good fights.

So in your view, an entire server should be made an example of due to the actions of a handful? So it’s death by association then? Also, how exactly do you suggest a server manage every single player better? The issue is being dealt with both publicly and internally. Many on BG, like myself have apologized, even when we weren’t even remotely involved. What more do you want?

Things to do today…finish research paper, finish Stats final, go mob diving in WvW.

Indo.8629:

Your math is assuming that ICOA didn’t just move from map to map and exploit bay, which is quite possible because at many points, all 3 bays have been held by BG.

The amount of points skewed by the exploiting is underestimated by everybody.

And you don’t have to like what I say, but I’m a competitor and anyone who cheats isn’t worthy of respecting as an opponent.

As for TW, I’m the guild leader and we play for the competition, period. The end result win/lose/draw is a by-product of the “fight”. The actual fight is what makes the game fun. When someone is cheating, it ruins both the fight and the result.

Anyone who cheats to win, whether by not speaking up or even participating, is just as bad as the cheater.

And I’m being vocal because quite frankly BG needs to be made an example of so that all the legitimate servers and guilds out there manage their player base better collectively so we can have good fights. Especially because of how many people actually used the exploited portal, that is what is the most troublesome. The TiD issue was a small guild, the ICOA exploit portals was at times the entire BL porting in with an exploit, that’s outrageous.

I gave you actual examples. Your assumptions are just that, baseless facts and theorizing without a shred of proof. Show me a screenshot or a video that shows these 60-70 people portaling in or even 30-40 portaling in. I saw 10-15 people in the video. At the most, in the video, there were 20 people outside the keep before it was taken. Moreover, provide proof or even accusations that a different Bay was taken by less than legitimate means. I bet you can’t, aside from the fact that I took Bay in SoR BL myself yesterday while this other nonsense was going on. Once again, Indo, exaggerations.

Making an example of Blackgate is pretty comical seeing as essentially each server has a guild who is guilty of the same offenses. This is almost as bad as Vihar from SBI saying that Blackgate needs to be punted out of Tier 1 because people that weren’t even a consequential part of WvW or in any major guild, and in all likelihood were from SBI itself, hacked orbs. It is clearly misplaced blame on your part. You hold us responsible as a server when every major guild has condemned these acts, kicked, and reported anyone involved not to mention there is no evidence of this zerg that you claim portaled through in its entirety. Both of the guilds, [ICoa] and [TID] dealt with the matters publicly, yet, somehow, our server is more in the wrong.

You might be a competitor, but so are we. My guild and any other guild that is involved in any significant way in WvW kicks anyone who is caught hacking or exploiting. We didn’t get the nickname Beastgate because of how well we can hack into a keep.

If you are the guild leader of [TW], then you truly are representative of your guild and, therefore, I have no respect for you or your guild if you can be so ignorant. Better watch your back out there because we’ll be headhunting for you and your wolves.

Indo.8629:

And I’m being vocal because quite frankly BG needs to be made an example of so that all the legitimate servers and guilds out there manage their player base better collectively so we can have good fights. Especially because of how many people actually used the exploited portal, that is what is the most troublesome. The TiD issue was a small guild, the ICOA exploit portals was at times the entire BL porting in with an exploit, that’s outrageous.

By your own logic SoR as a server should be hung to dry as the example since this was caught last week over there. But you know good job avoiding any hypocrisy or irony in your crusade.

If it was me, I (as a Game Moderator) would disband the iCoa guild. If they want to reform afterwards, that is fine but they’d do so at the expense of all earned guild perks.

I would not ban anyone, I think that punishment would just be just and fair as a warning.

No matter what, until proven otherwise, your server will have a bad reputation. Not because this has happened, but because it is continuously happenING. Until you can prove yourselves on the battlefield without the help of a hacker/exploiter you wont have the respect that you once had. Are you not embarrassed by that? I was when I heard a small group was exploiting on our server. In your case it was an entire zerg of multiple guilds over and over again. 6-7 times in an evening. No excuse there; people on your server knew it was an exploit and gladly participated. Not only that, you are being defensive about it and not proving to us that your dealing with it. The sheer fact that its STILL happening is ridiculous.

To those two guys in EB from the AUTO guild that were messing around with tonics with me.

rofl :P

I’m sorry BG doesn’t like me pointing out the truth. You should get used to it because I may be vocal about it, but you can be sure everyone else is definitely thinking it.

We’re in Green BL, you better make sure your game is as big as your forum posts.

Indo.8629:

I’m sorry BG doesn’t like me pointing out the truth. You should get used to it because I may be vocal about it, but you can be sure everyone else is definitely thinking it.

Part of the problem is all the BG members coming here with denial, excuses and no word of remorse. It’s all about image, for example SoR had a hacker they got him banned, apologized and showed how they worked to eradicate it. All BG members seem to do is come up with the same poor excuses and it wasnt me QQ posts. they show nothing of what they are doing to combat it. Hence why BG has a bad rep and SoR didnt loose theirs at all.

Where is kitten of map chat asking people not to take portals, to give back keeps, of reporting members. Zero, just some guild leader saying we don’t condone hacking. Poor!

It’s all a shame because what sounded like a great week has been tainted by this issue.

Please, for the sake of two days, if you find a hacker or exploiter in WvW, don’t post it here, it does not help. Screenshot or fraps it and send it to arenanet.

If the guy doesn’t have a guild, too bad. He was smart enough to take it off before doing so. If the guy was dumb enough to leave their guild tag on, find the leader, get the culprit kicked off the guild, find his/her username, banhammer.

Most of the major WvW guilds in every server are against these kind of behaviours. I’m sure they’ll try their best to cut the bad apples off of them.

Thanks, and keep inflammatory posts off this thread, please!

-el

4:40 p.m. 28/11/2012
10+ iCOA inside of Bay Keep in Blackgate Borderlands with no outer wall down.

Maybe people haven’t read a word I’ve said. We are sorry that it happened. When this came to light, as a community we told our players to let you have the keep back. We can’t really do anything else other than report and make a public statement. We do not and never will support hacking or defend it. It is unfortunate that it happened and we would like to move forward.

I speak on behalf of Blackgate when I say that we would like our name to stop being dragged through the mud. We haven’t done that to you, we’d like the same respect.

Sprong.4963:

4:40 p.m. 28/11/2012
10+ iCOA inside of Bay Keep in Blackgate Borderlands with no outer wall down.

He’s doing it right now in Green BL.

Same mesmer who was caught last night.

Way to say you’re not going to do it again and you’re sorry, yet exploit again the very next day, same mesmer, same guild.

Nothing has changed.

Indo.8629:

Way to say you’re not going to do it again and you’re sorry, yet exploit again the very next day, same mesmer, same guild.

Nothing has changed.

Who are you talking to?

Blackgate.

The ICOA mesmer literally just exploit portal’d 10+ BG into bay.

iCoa’s leader names: Guardian Joker
Original Joker

Go and tell them to kick the mesmer asap, for this might be considered as iCoa guild supporting this.

And to any BG reading this, you KNOW when a portal is an exploit. Don’t take it. Even if you did, simply walk out or die inside. That’s sportmanship, and has been displayed multiple times before.

If this cannot be done, I will have no choice but to assume that iCoa’s leader, Guardian Joker, who told me last night (http://imgur.com/a/V0JvA#0) THIS, has not kept his promise.

Diashame.6328:

Part of the problem is all the BG members coming here with denial, excuses and no word of remorse. It’s all about image, for example SoR had a hacker they got him banned, apologized and showed how they worked to eradicate it. All BG members seem to do is come up with the same poor excuses and it wasnt me QQ posts. they show nothing of what they are doing to combat it. Hence why BG has a bad rep and SoR didnt loose theirs at all.

Incorrect.

Multiple BG people have apologized (not that they should, they didn’t hack themselves). Unless you just chose to skip those posts?

No, the reason why SOR “got off free” from their hackers is because no one on BG kept harping on and on and on about it like Indo, Sprong and Kuora (who ironically made this thread and said not to post about the hacks…and then did anyway. Scumbag Kuora meme?).

BG has been on the receiving end of it before when it happened in T1, so we knew what it felt like and didn’t do the same to SOR. It’s a shame SOR didn’t follow suit.

And Indo, we now know that this mesmer will be doing this until he has been banned or taken care of.

Let’s not get this thread locked again. I’m strongly against hacking or exploiting, but we don’t want this thread locked.

Xirin.8593:

Diashame.6328:

Part of the problem is all the BG members coming here with denial, excuses and no word of remorse. It’s all about image, for example SoR had a hacker they got him banned, apologized and showed how they worked to eradicate it. All BG members seem to do is come up with the same poor excuses and it wasnt me QQ posts. they show nothing of what they are doing to combat it. Hence why BG has a bad rep and SoR didnt loose theirs at all.

Incorrect.

Multiple BG people have apologized (not that they should, they didn’t hack themselves). Unless you just chose to skip those posts?

No, the reason why SOR “got off free” from their hackers is because no one on BG kept harping on and on and on about it like Indo, Sprong and Kuora (who ironically made this thread and said not to post about the hacks…and then did anyway. Scumbag Kuora meme?).

BG has been on the receiving end of it before when it happened in T1, so we knew what it felt like and didn’t do the same to SOR. It’s a shame SOR didn’t follow suit.

I told you guys the most mature and efficient way to solve this problem, kick the mesmer off that guild and be done with. We won’t care if this is some random in BG doing this.

The problem was that iCoa had more than enough time to identify the culprit, get him warned or kicked. That is what a normal, moderate sized WvW focused guild would do.

EDIT—

I do not want to point figer at anybody in BG, and I never blamed the whole server for this happening. The problem I had was that this has been happening for days, but no measure was taken to even try to stop this from happening.

And yes, I don’t want to post about hacking anymore. I’ve suggested the best way to deal with this, and I won’t be mentioning this anymore.

Hope you understand.

Xirin.8593:

kuora.5402:

I told you guys the most mature and efficient way to solve this problem, kick the mesmer off that guild and be done with. We won’t care if this is some random in BG doing this.

The problem was that iCoa had more than enough time to identify the culprit, get him warned or kicked. That is what a normal, moderate sized WvW focused guild would do.

Question: who is “you guys?”

I’m just a PUG. What am I supposed to do about? What can I do about it? PK him?

If ICOA is refusing to boot him, then that’s an issue. But how is “Blackgate” responsible for this? What can anyone except ICOA’s Guild Leader (who can boot him) or ANet themselves (who can ban him) do about it?

The answer is nothing, which is why all this ranting about “Hackgate” does nothing but make the posts look like the ravings of a lunatic.

I actually feel the worst for Tempest Wolves. I know if I was a member that I would be embarrassed at Indo’s posts.

Hi there, I never blamed the whole server, because whether you’re a PUG or the leader of a mighty guild, you cannot stop people coming to your server. You’re correct, blackgate is not responsible for this. Any more questions?

Oh, and ‘you guys’ is obviously blackgate, because they’re being flamed for one exploiter, and I’m sure you want to get rid of him and maintain your excellent reputation in WvW.

kuora.5402:

Hi there, I never blamed the whole server, because whether you’re a PUG or the leader of a mighty guild, you cannot stop people coming to your server. You’re correct, blackgate is not responsible for this. Any more questions?

I deleted my post in lieu of your edit. I was also using “you” in reference to all 3 of the posters I mentioned above.

In either case, ICOA needs to kick this guy ASAP. ANet needs to ban him. The rest of us need to just shut up and play the game. And Indo’s Guild Leader needs to lecture him on how to not make his guild look bad.

Xirin.8593:

In either case, ICOA needs to kick this guy ASAP. ANet needs to ban him. The rest of us need to just shut up and play the game.

That is all I want.

Looking bad in the eyes of BG?

I’m not really worried about that. I’m ready to be judged.

Score 25 minutes from posting

BG- 156017 + 95
SoR 151929 + 490
IoJ 138877 + 110

Score looks pretty tight, can’t wait to jump in in a few hours…. ! After I do some work on bolt :<

kuora.5402:

Everyone, pay attention. THIS kind of post we don’t want in this thread.

Don’t pretend anyone isn’t guilty of at least one similarly toned post out of the past few weeks. Get off of your high horse. Those kinds of posts are equally annoying and “roll your eyes” worthy.

In other news, where is SoR getting all of these points?!

Christos de Soufre.3802:

kuora.5402:

Everyone, pay attention. THIS kind of post we don’t want in this thread.

Don’t pretend anyone isn’t guilty of at least one similarly toned post out of the past few weeks. Get off of your high horse. Those kinds of posts are equally annoying and “roll your eyes” worthy.

In other news, where is SoR getting all of these points?!

So…. ‘everyone does it why can’t I do it’ is still a working analogy?

Christos de Soufre.3802:

In other news, where is SoR getting all of these points?!

I’m guessing BG’s main guilds are taking a break after pushing hard the past 2 days to retake the lead.

Either that, or the “Hackgate” accusations are taking their toll (as they did in T1) on the general population.

Agreed. Either breaks or people just don’t feel like dealing with the irritating generalizations being applied to our server pop.

kuora.5402:

Christos de Soufre.3802:

kuora.5402:

Everyone, pay attention. THIS kind of post we don’t want in this thread.

Don’t pretend anyone isn’t guilty of at least one similarly toned post out of the past few weeks. Get off of your high horse. Those kinds of posts are equally annoying and “roll your eyes” worthy.

In other news, where is SoR getting all of these points?!

So…. ‘everyone does it why can’t I do it’ is still a working analogy?

Yes, I’m using poor excuses. High horse. Still annoying. Stop. We’ve moved on.

@Xirin, we may have to wait and see what the deal really is. SoR is really pushing IoJ too, so it seems like more of an SoR out in full force thing…maybe this is just a good day for them.

KnT, props for coming into Green BL.

You want to setup a fight?

Also, if you want to hunt us, you have to run towards us not away from us. :P

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Agreed. Either breaks or people just don’t feel like dealing with the irritating generalizations being applied to our server pop.

kuora.5402:

Christos de Soufre.3802:

kuora.5402:

Everyone, pay attention. THIS kind of post we don’t want in this thread.

Don’t pretend anyone isn’t guilty of at least one similarly toned post out of the past few weeks. Get off of your high horse. Those kinds of posts are equally annoying and “roll your eyes” worthy.

In other news, where is SoR getting all of these points?!

So…. ‘everyone does it why can’t I do it’ is still a working analogy?

Yes, I’m using poor excuses. High horse. Still annoying. Stop. We’ve moved on.

@Xirin, we may have to wait and see what the deal really is. SoR is really pushing IoJ too, so it seems like more of an SoR out in full force thing…maybe this is just a good day for them.

I want you to read what you posted about an IoJ guild, and continue to do so until this post.

Who refused to move on?

Exactly.

There are two ends of the spectrum, not just one. You are getting close to the other one. I deleted the post. I was wrong for complaining and I apologize. Please stop making CDS look terrifyingly self-righteous.

Edit: Score updates for those of us about to be stuck at school, please.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

There are two ends of the spectrum, not just one. You are getting close to the other one. I deleted the post. I was wrong for complaining and I apologize. Please stop making CDS look terrifyingly self-righteous.

Edit: Score updates for those of us about to be stuck at school, please.

As an individual player, I was bothered by the tone of your post. Now that you’ve deleted it I’m happy.

Individuals act as representatives of their community, particularly their guild.

Indo.8629:

Looking bad in the eyes of BG?

I’m not really worried about that. I’m ready to be judged.

So say I played on your server and I decided to do the worst exploit ever and earned a horrible rep for my server and everyone decided to hate on it in the forums. You think it’s fair you are being criticized and looked down upon because I decided to commit some crime?

Update 9:00 PM EST:

BG: 156,633 (130)
SOR: 154, 394 (425)
IOJ: 139, 687 (140)

TheAmpca.1753:

Indo.8629:

Looking bad in the eyes of BG?

I’m not really worried about that. I’m ready to be judged.

So say I played on your server and I decided to do the worst exploit ever and earned a horrible rep for my server and everyone decided to hate on it in the forums. You think it’s fair you are being criticized and looked down upon because I decided to commit some crime?

It’s the lack of leadership and action done by BG that earns them a bad rep. I mean, seriously. ICoa “warns” the player? The kitten is that? This ISN’T something that should be “warned”. This is in violation of Anets terms of service. That player should get BANNED from the game. The guild should have reported him and then maybe “warned him”, but they refuse to even give out his name so we can report him. Icoa is purposely hiding a glitcher that would otherwise be banned from the game. And the rest of BG should have had a word with Icoa, but by the looks of it, they got off with a “warning” too.

I haven’t actually participated in any of the exploits that have apparently happened, so I couldn’t point an exploiter out if I saw him. But that’s a little disturbing on ICoa’s part. Why would anyone seek to protect someone that’s actively cheapening the game for everyone? It’s wrong. They should be punished, even if it’s just a suspension.

Either way, I hope they get all of these “little glitches” fixed soon.

Edit: Guys, trying to review for a statistics final with a migraine is terrible.

If any good may come out of the mess this week, tonight’s score might be a perfect example of why exploits will ALWAYS do more harm than good in a competition like this. Embolden the enemy while simultaneously hurting your own team’s morale. People who choose to cheat for short term gain or just for kicks rarely understand this. I suspect the butt kicking SoR is handing out tonight is no coincidence.

Liquid.9672:

If any good may come out of the mess this week, tonight’s score might be a perfect example of why exploits will ALWAYS do more harm than good in a competition like this. Embolden the enemy while simultaneously hurting your own team’s morale. People who choose to cheat for short term gain or just for kicks rarely understand this. I suspect the butt kicking SoR is handing out tonight is no coincidence.

When Gates of Madness was caught cheating in the middle of a time when every server was having the same exact issues Gates of Madness was having, several people started in on a fairly intense smear campaign to drag the server down and ruin its reputation as much as possible. They tried to single out GOM as the “hacking server.”

Some believe that smear campaign had a dramatic effect on the performance of GOM after that.

This just looks like the same thing happening all over again.

Maybe this Tempest Wolves guild leader has learned a good way to win a match. Defame the server beating you and try as hard as possible to ruin their rep.

I wasn’t sure it really worked against GOM, and i’m not sure it will work here now. But it couldn’t hurt SOR and it can’t help BG, thats for sure.