Guild Wars 2

While we dont have the WvW population of FA or YB, we hold our own at times. If we could get one more decent guild we might be able to make a run. We can take things but we cant hold much in different BL’s at the moment. Still a great server. Hopefully we can either get some new matchups or some more people soon.

Aren’t you full?

sos is pretty much dead in the water, thanks to all the oceanic guilds leaving and FA literally buying guilds from the server.

i transferred to ehmry bay, seems to be on the rise and the wvw environment is, while still miserable thanks to the awful nature of wvw, at least playable without YB/FA’s zerging, seige monkeying, and near complete lack of roamers.

The WvW population in SoS isnt great. At times we can field a decent sized group. But we can never match the numbers of YB and FA. They can have massive zergs in several BL’s.

sinject.4607:

sos is pretty much dead in the water, thanks to all the oceanic guilds leaving and FA literally buying guilds from the server.

i transferred to ehmry bay, seems to be on the rise and the wvw environment is, while still miserable thanks to the awful nature of wvw, at least playable without YB/FA’s zerging, seige monkeying, and near complete lack of roamers.

Wait SoS Ocx guilds are leaving? Or did they already do that and its PUG’s left? Still I imagine SoS Ocx PUG’s can still field enough.

And FA is accepting and assisting guilds from another server in their own tier? When they already dominate?

Johje Holan.4607:

And FA is accepting and assisting guilds from another server in their own tier? When they already dominate?

No. I think the poster is referring to like 6 months ago when a PST/OCX guild left SoS when they were stuck in T3. Others had gone to DB and YB at the time.

Recently though both VOX and GH moved off SoS (and supposedly Zerg). If they can’t get more guilds into a full server, more are going to leave and SoS will not stay in T2 for long. Or there’s going to be another T2/3 rotation between SoS, Mag, and SBI. Hold onto your seats, boyz.

SoS ocx guilds moved like 10 moths ago, Bear Ts, all that was mainly left were pugs, sea guilds followed not long after. A lot of NA guilds have come to SoS to either die or move again in the last 8 months.

Vox just moved to crystal desert, EA moved couple weeks ago don’t remember if it was crystal desert as well. GH just moved to ehmry bay, Zerg moved to ehmry more than 3 weeks ago now. Sorry but the SoS community isn’t what it once was, some good people still there, but there’s bad apples as well.

Plus server locked for what months now? with it having the lowest wvw pop in T2?
Enjoy the blob and jam T2.

Chaba.5410:

Johje Holan.4607:

And FA is accepting and assisting guilds from another server in their own tier? When they already dominate?

No. I think the poster is referring to like 6 months ago when a PST/OCX guild left SoS when they were stuck in T3. Others had gone to DB and YB at the time.

Recently though both VOX and GH moved off SoS (and supposedly Zerg). If they can’t get more guilds into a full server, more are going to leave and SoS will not stay in T2 for long. Or there’s going to be another T2/3 rotation between SoS, Mag, and SBI. Hold onto your seats, boyz.

I’m on SBI and would love to rotate into T2 for a week here and there. I’m sure some wouldn’t like it but I think our fight guilds would. And the pug zerg could test its mettle against some FA and YB pug zergs.

Just for a week mind you, don’t want to get stuck up there.

I wouldnt mind moving down a tier every once in a while or getting a new match up. Especially with our loss of guilds

Gcostanza.2086:

The WvW population in SoS isnt great. At times we can field a decent sized group. But we can never match the numbers of YB and FA. They can have massive zergs in several BL’s.

I hate to tell you but YB isn’t the zergy one.

FA is the problem – buying guilds isn’t good game management.

Funny but painfully ironic that your server kills a single person running any map with no less than 20 and as much as 40. That’s one person.

Talk about bored. Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

atheria.2837:

Gcostanza.2086:

The WvW population in SoS isnt great. At times we can field a decent sized group. But we can never match the numbers of YB and FA. They can have massive zergs in several BL’s.

I hate to tell you but YB isn’t the zergy one.

FA is the problem – buying guilds isn’t good game management.

Funny but painfully ironic that your server kills a single person running any map with no less than 20 and as much as 40. That’s one person.

Talk about bored. Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

LOL this person wants to turn this into a match-up thread. There’s a forum for that!

Yeah, the fact that the server is “full” whilst having the lowest WvW population in Tier 2 speaks volumes to the poor method of calculating server population, especially now with the mega servers in PvE. Our massive PvE guilds are capping the server while contributing nothing to our WvW population.

It’s more than that though. It doesn’t seem to adjust to guilds leaviNg very quickly eiTher. Db was full for a bit even after the mass exodus if I remember correctly….

Quick Mouse.7635:

Yeah, the fact that the server is “full” whilst having the lowest WvW population in Tier 2 speaks volumes to the poor method of calculating server population, especially now with the mega servers in PvE. Our massive PvE guilds are capping the server while contributing nothing to our WvW population.

Hey, Anet….

Instead of worrying about stuff like Applied Fortitude and Guard Killer stacks, how about you try doing something about this screen shot??? I just took this image a minute ago.

YB is NOT FULL, but SoS IS FULL?

Sounds like it would be beneficial to all if the WvW/server population calculation formula was receiving a HoT “re-work”, you know?

There is a theory that certain servers fill up with pve players because of a cool sounding name, think dragonbrand etc. This makes it hard for certain servers to maintain a consistent wvw coverage and hence that server will constantly bounce up and down the tiers, bandwagon and exodus, again think dragonbrand. This might be a reason SoS is full. One of the problems is that for new players there is no information given about servers unless they actually go out and research on their own. Personally, when I started in late 2012 I had the same issue and went with a cool sounding server because I thought it would maintain a high population :/

Shame too about SoS’ problems, I have several friends who do wvw there and dont want to leave because they grew attached to the community over time, so I hope you guys can bounce back.

Chaba.5410:

atheria.2837:

Gcostanza.2086:

The WvW population in SoS isnt great. At times we can field a decent sized group. But we can never match the numbers of YB and FA. They can have massive zergs in several BL’s.

I hate to tell you but YB isn’t the zergy one.

FA is the problem – buying guilds isn’t good game management.

Funny but painfully ironic that your server kills a single person running any map with no less than 20 and as much as 40. That’s one person.

Talk about bored. Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

LOL this person wants to turn this into a match-up thread. There’s a forum for that!

Maybe you better stop with the accusations since “match” didn’t enter into my posting but I have seen it in several others here and you didn’t attack any of them.

Everything about this thread and people who posted here is related to PPT. Thats your problem and not mine because I am from mag and we don’t care that much about PPT.

We don’t want cancerous PPT servers dropping down to T3 so I hope ANET fixes your problem for you.

atheria.2837:

Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

That comment is not related to the match-up at all. /sarcasm

you know who is to blame the free guesting non stop people in and out of sos to hunt world boss,dungeon pve etc etc

Yet another “full” server issue when it doesn’t correlate to the pve population. While only some of the servers are full, please don’t ignore this even if your server isn’t full because I expect it to become an even worse problem with some servers with large pve populations as well as the inability for servers to “mobilize” their pve populations due to all maps being megaservers. So it’s not merely an issue of recruiting/buying/stacking but merely just communicating with the people that are already there on your server. And yes, this has been marked as one of the more pressing issues in WvW, and the near future.

Fixed breakfast, opened forum, read thread, shot milk out my nose from laughing…

ArchonWing.9480:

And yes, this has been marked as one of the more pressing issues in WvW, and the near future.

I’m hoping this is solved in a constructive manner. While they are currently on top in the tier, FA had this exact problem about a year ago.

Sea of Sorrows is not competitive in terms of points; but we do maintain a high skill level in players. I hope that someone looks at this as an opportunity to try out their skills as a commander, or an experienced commander wanting to take on a new challenge.

We have good off-hours coverage and some people working hard and playing hard in off-times; we just need some people with good attitudes, patience, yet a who love a good fight to join us and get the ball rolling.

I would love to find some more people to roam with in the early NA times (5pm-8pm) with Zerg gone and most of our scouts SoS is pretty quiet

Chris.3290:

ArchonWing.9480:

And yes, this has been marked as one of the more pressing issues in WvW, and the near future.

I’m hoping this is solved in a constructive manner. While they are currently on top in the tier, FA had this exact problem about a year ago.

Sea of Sorrows is not competitive in terms of points; but we do maintain a high skill level in players. I hope that someone looks at this as an opportunity to try out their skills as a commander, or an experienced commander wanting to take on a new challenge.

We have good off-hours coverage and some people working hard and playing hard in off-times; we just need some people with good attitudes, patience, yet a who love a good fight to join us and get the ball rolling.

If your concern is that I’m just going to tell our Anet folks that “SoS is not winning teh PPT, must fix or they’ll die!”, rest assured I’m not that naive and I understand there may be those that treat PPT as a necessary evil to maintain the status quo so we can have fun and fights and you can’t really measure that unless you’re actually there. (At the very least, t3 has that as a common mindset, at least as an ideal, what actually happens is another topic.) Though of course, I’m not going to simplify everyone’s motives for playing or what they consider fun, that would take forever to write anything exhaustive.

Still, I consider the full situation a potential problem which may limit the growth of otherwise deserving communities. The other problem being that the megaservers may limit intraserver communication if you may want to encourage people that pve only to try out WvW.

It is entirely possible and commendable that your community will be able to work around these issues; that’s none of my business actually as long as you guys stay in t2. :p Most servers have their own voice chat and website going and it’s worked out well for many, but but I do believe Anet should also do their part to help out with what I would term community building. Right now, even something as simple as gathering all of one’s servermates in Lion’s Arch is a cumbersome experience.

Liston.9708:

Aren’t you full?

SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.

D best.3547:

Liston.9708:

Aren’t you full?

SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.

I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.

Liston.9708:

D best.3547:

Liston.9708:

Aren’t you full?

SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.

I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.

Which is why this thread exists. SoS went FULL a year ago but we were winning by wide margins at that point so it wasn’t an issue.

I think ANET never really counted on situations where servers who were FULL would be facing significant issues when facing servers that are not.

Megaservers are a major culprit, as an overwhelming majority of our population is not interested in WvW and even those with casual interest are turned off by the competitive personalities of those who don’t mind the challenge we are facing.

I’m going to hope Anet comes up with some sort of population control like if WvW is qued then the server is “Full” and leaves pve out of the mix, instead of straight up numbers assigned to a home server that no longer matters. Im also currious to see how they even classify a full server now that the megaservers have taken over?

Chris.3290:

Liston.9708:

D best.3547:

Liston.9708:

Aren’t you full?

SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.

I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.

Which is why this thread exists. SoS went FULL a year ago but we were winning by wide margins at that point so it wasn’t an issue.

I think ANET never really counted on situations where servers who were FULL would be facing significant issues when facing servers that are not.

Megaservers are a major culprit, as an overwhelming majority of our population is not interested in WvW and even those with casual interest are turned off by the competitive personalities of those who don’t mind the challenge we are facing.

Right, but the OP was looking for people to join SOS was how I read it. The status is royally messed up indeed, but until that is fixed no one is joining SOS (fa,bg, Jq, TC, etc). Just like the other thread and OP was looking for a heavy Aussie server and t1 was recommended….
That said, I do hope this is the highest of priorities as it is crippling communities (and doesn’t seem too hard to fix on the surface).

ArchonWing.9480:

If your concern is that I’m just going to tell our Anet folks that “SoS is not winning teh PPT, must fix or they’ll die!”, rest assured I’m not that naive and I understand there may be those that treat PPT as a necessary evil to maintain the status quo so we can have fun and fights and you can’t really measure that unless you’re actually there. (At the very least, t3 has that as a common mindset, at least as an ideal, what actually happens is another topic.) Though of course, I’m not going to simplify everyone’s motives for playing or what they consider fun, that would take forever to write anything exhaustive.

Actually I am more concerned that solutions might come in the form of server dissolution.

Ok, here’s a brief PoV of the current state of affairs. Server transfers are not such a financial hardship that individuals cannot freely move when the mood takes them. As things stand right now, it’s easy to see trends so that servers on upswings have a cumulative growth pattern and servers on downswings have cumulative decreases. Hence the popular “implosion” terminology.

Now…if ANet were to announce that everyone would be deassociated with their home server when HoT is released, with maybe only a 2 day warning…THAT would fix a lot of problems.

First off, hardcore WvW’rs would avoid server with PvE friendly names. With that lesson learned that would go a long way to avoiding this problem in the future.

Second, with such a brief window; there would not be enough time for everyone to coordinate in order to stack a server beforehand (see Henge of Denravi, circa September 2012). This would cause hardcore guilds to spread out more, mixing with other guilds with more casual styles.

Is this a perfect solution? Of course not. I’m certain a majority will still pick their original servers, and that 2 days are enough for the word to get out in the WvW community if there would be a new “powerhouse” server. However, it would fix this specific problem that has affected servers like Sea of Sorrows, Darkhaven, and until recently Dragonbrand.

It would also encourage people to play with more diverse groups and the learning curve of the new Borderland maps would cause people to hesitate before restarting the previous pattern of mass transfers.

Liston.9708:

Chris.3290:

Liston.9708:

D best.3547:

Liston.9708:

Aren’t you full?

SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.

I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.

Which is why this thread exists. SoS went FULL a year ago but we were winning by wide margins at that point so it wasn’t an issue.

I think ANET never really counted on situations where servers who were FULL would be facing significant issues when facing servers that are not.

Megaservers are a major culprit, as an overwhelming majority of our population is not interested in WvW and even those with casual interest are turned off by the competitive personalities of those who don’t mind the challenge we are facing.

Right, but the OP was looking for people to join SOS was how I read it. The status is royally messed up indeed, but until that is fixed no one is joining SOS (fa,bg, Jq, TC, etc). Just like the other thread and OP was looking for a heavy Aussie server and t1 was recommended….
That said, I do hope this is the highest of priorities as it is crippling communities (and doesn’t seem too hard to fix on the surface).

Actually we are open quite frequently. We don’t need full size guilds as much as we need talented PuGmanders. That said, an ANet driven solution to the FULL issue would probably solve that issue as well.

Chris.3290:

Liston.9708:

Chris.3290:

Liston.9708:

D best.3547:

Liston.9708:

Aren’t you full?

SoS full because 90% of their population plays PvE and the population system isn’t representational of the WvW population.

I know why. My point was – you can’t convince people to move there if it is impossible to move there. I see people always recommending t1 in other threads as well.

Which is why this thread exists. SoS went FULL a year ago but we were winning by wide margins at that point so it wasn’t an issue.

I think ANET never really counted on situations where servers who were FULL would be facing significant issues when facing servers that are not.

Megaservers are a major culprit, as an overwhelming majority of our population is not interested in WvW and even those with casual interest are turned off by the competitive personalities of those who don’t mind the challenge we are facing.

Right, but the OP was looking for people to join SOS was how I read it. The status is royally messed up indeed, but until that is fixed no one is joining SOS (fa,bg, Jq, TC, etc). Just like the other thread and OP was looking for a heavy Aussie server and t1 was recommended….
That said, I do hope this is the highest of priorities as it is crippling communities (and doesn’t seem too hard to fix on the surface).

Actually we are open quite frequently. We don’t need full size guilds as much as we need talented PuGmanders. That said, an ANet driven solution to the FULL issue would probably solve that issue as well.

i was under the impression it was 24/7 full. It may have helped the OP by stating when the server isn’t full for prospective pugmanders to join.

Either way, I wish you luck and agree some help from anet would indeed be nice… I’d prefer a redo of their calculation compared to what you suggested on first glance, but maybe what you suggest is indeed better in the long run.

Liston.9708:

i was under the impression it was 24/7 full. It may have helped the OP by stating when the server isn’t full for prospective pugmanders to join.

I am honestly not joining the conversation to shill for my server, but if people are interested in knowing when we are open; we maintain a public shoutbox at www.sosgw2.com and our members post regularly when we are open. Currently we do not have a set time where we have less people than at other times, it comes and goes throughout the day.

ArchonWing.9480:

Still, I consider the full situation a potential problem which may limit the growth of otherwise deserving communities. The other problem being that the megaservers may limit intraserver communication if you may want to encourage people that pve only to try out WvW.

I felt this needed a change of terminology. It’s not a POTENTIAL problem that MAY limit growth. It’s a MASSIVE problem that DOES limit to the extent it STOPS almost all growth of a server. I am on SoS and as has been stated, we’ve lost a number of our WvW focused guilds of late, which has severely hurt our community due to our lower WvW focused population compared to the servers we are matched against. The server as a whole would like to stay competitive in WvW, but the inane population calculation system that is in place is pretty much preventing us from getting anyone on to the server to WvW with us. We can’t even replace what we’ve lost because even with people leaving, the server only remains open for short periods of time sporatically throughout the day. Megaservers removes almost all ability to rally people from any non-WvW maps. I doubt people outside of the WvW regulars even have a clue as to what their home server is at this point in the game.

For a game that wants to promote community and actively pushes people to play together, it’s done a fantastic job of doing a lot of harm to the SoS community. A community people have put a lot of time and effort into making a warm and welcoming place to people only to watch it suffer at the hands of something completely outside of their control. We aren’t the first community to suffer in this fashion, but maybe we can be the last to be torn apart by such a problem.

I don’t know what everyone is on about, but SoS’s OCX time is running strong with the new guild Tactical Fury. Running 40-50 deep 6 days a week wiping blobs after blobs. SoS’s OCX time is strong, the real problem is that the server is bloody full.

TF has been on SoS for a while haven’t they? I wouldn’t call them new.

Chaba.5410:

atheria.2837:

Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

That comment is not related to the match-up at all. /sarcasm

Keep being the troll you always have been.

Why do you think some have left your server?

Unkind and unrelated comments like yours are more bullying than informative.

atheria.2837:

Chaba.5410:

atheria.2837:

Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

That comment is not related to the match-up at all. /sarcasm

Keep being the troll you always have been.

Why do you think some have left your server?

Unkind and unrelated comments like yours are more bullying than informative.

They left the server because of the queues and/or because they got tired of DK push weeks. You have a habit of accusing other players of a lot of things. :/ Asking SoS to hit FA more is match-related. IDK how you don’t see that. Doing so would not solve their issue about being full either.

Playing for second and helping out your big brother server is lamer tactix no matter what server or community is doing it. I would probably leave a server like that too whichever server that might be.

T2 is nice for fights most of the day and night but t3 sure looking nice now too.. mag and sbi.. both good fighting servers.

There’s already a very active forum for talking about the matchup. This thread is about addressing an issue that doesn’t affect our current tier competitors in any way other than it turns a potential three-way fight into a mostly 2-way fight on bad weeknights.

I can tell you that no one in our community is pushing for any kind of focus on either server and are playing it straight.

You want your server to be open to guild buying and bandwagoning.. as a PPT pug that’s understandable I guess.

Some people think FULL status is because of bad math, others think it’s because it’s a PVE server. Until anet explains how it works or makes a separation between WvW and megaserver it’s not going to change. Heck there probably making a boatload on alt accounts and fairweather transfers looking for a hard carry.

They way they make such a big showing on the weekend/reset and then disappear all week I’m leaning twords fairweather with a heavy dose of alt accounts.

Warlord.9074:

Everything about this thread and people who posted here is related to PPT. Thats your problem and not mine because I am from mag and we don’t care that much about PPT.

We don’t want cancerous PPT servers dropping down to T3 so I hope ANET fixes your problem for you.

It’s really not about ppt; look at my signature.
It’s about FA and YB having 2 map queues running around while we can barely get 30 on float tag in anything but OCX. We can’t recruit anyone to our server since our server is full. You can’t fight map blobs with 30 pugs, especially not in this meta. And after one wipe 30% of the pugs rage quit. The only reason that we aren’t dropping down to tier 3 faster is because FA and YB enjoy fighting each other, thankfully.

Now we get to hear from the so called GvG guilds that don’t really do WvW or rally but they do seem to enjoy transferring to heavily populated servers.

At least HoT will fix that part of population and FULL status issues.

displayname.8315:

Now we get to hear from the so called GvG guilds that don’t really do WvW or rally but they do seem to enjoy transferring to heavily populated servers.

At least HoT will fix that part of population and FULL status issues.

HOPE disbanded over a year ago. My point was that I prefer to play wvw for fights. I pugmand about 4 nights a week.

Quick Mouse.7635:

displayname.8315:

Now we get to hear from the so called GvG guilds that don’t really do WvW or rally but they do seem to enjoy transferring to heavily populated servers.

At least HoT will fix that part of population and FULL status issues.

HOPE disbanded over a year ago. My point was that I prefer to play wvw for fights. I pugmand about 4 nights a week.

My point is the FULL status could be legit and something as simple as a fairweather domino effect. Without a dev to explain it’s just whistling Dixie.

GvG guilds transferring to top tiers and getting carried is still just exacerbating this whole problem.

The last time I played GW2 was well before the megaservers became a thing. It seems like it’s been great for PvE, but not so good for WvW. What ever happened to the big match-up threads and people supporting their servers?

Teevell.1684:

The last time I played GW2 was well before the megaservers became a thing. It seems like it’s been great for PvE, but not so good for WvW. What ever happened to the big match-up threads and people supporting their servers?

Anet got rid of that section because people were trolling each other in a pvp setting. Anet wanted to care bear things so they now ban anyone talking about match ups.
It’s all on gw2wvw.net.

Gcostanza.2086:

While we dont have the WvW population of FA or YB, we hold our own at times. If we could get one more decent guild we might be able to make a run. We can take things but we cant hold much in different BL’s at the moment. Still a great server. Hopefully we can either get some new matchups or some more people soon.

We will be discussing that possibility in our next guild officer meeting actually.

Teevell.1684:

The last time I played GW2 was well before the megaservers became a thing. It seems like it’s been great for PvE, but not so good for WvW. What ever happened to the big match-up threads and people supporting their servers?

They locked everything. Apparently they felt uncomfortable with the competitive talk.

Chaba.5410:

atheria.2837:

Chaba.5410:

atheria.2837:

Why don’t you go hit FA for once.

That comment is not related to the match-up at all. /sarcasm

Keep being the troll you always have been.

Why do you think some have left your server?

Unkind and unrelated comments like yours are more bullying than informative.

They left the server because of the queues and/or because they got tired of DK push weeks. You have a habit of accusing other players of a lot of things. :/ Asking SoS to hit FA more is match-related. IDK how you don’t see that. Doing so would not solve their issue about being full either.

There’s no such thing as “DK push weeks” over here lol

On topic, new players shouldn’t be forced to join a server when they start playing since PvE is megaserver now. When they decides to WvW, they should be able to choose a server for which they can play for. Also they should do a monthly WvW attendence check to gauge the WvW population of a particular server but this can be abused before an upcoming season by tanking intentionally and hence representing a lower population than it should be.