Guild Wars 2

Ok so in two days SFR is going to be tier 2, and we need nightcappers to hold out in tier 2 If you guys are american/eastern (most of asia and australia) guild we would love to see you here More EU guilds would be lovely aswell

‘Nightcappers’ eh…

I think you mean people in a different timezone.

I don’t know who you are, but the folks at Pevepe.net are not behind this post. We know the proper channels to go through, and this it not one of them.

But the basis is correct. SFR is, and has been, looking for US, Asian, and Oceanic guilds to join our ranks. We do NOT need any more EU guilds, though we will not discourage you from coming over to our pretty rad server.

I would never want to see SFR turn into Blacktide 2

We all know the way to win is to night cap, I rather just prove we can get to T1 by just being good then hover in T2 while night caps live in T1 – but thats just me

So Deso destiny wont teach you anything? Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.

Rednik.3809:

So Deso destiny wont teach you anything? Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.

Yeah like theres some reserve from where you can just pull these people, asking current population to wake up at 5am to protect our points is hardly an permanent solution.

Rednik.3809:

So Deso destiny wont teach you anything? Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.

easy for a guild that cover 9 time zone and have gain the external help of 100 EU bandwagon guild.

even with 9 time zone covered :

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/2

:D

Rednik.3809:

So Deso destiny wont teach you anything? Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.

Reach external help? Like guilds such as CIR, Unnamed, RG, GF, Ruin, shall i go on just to mention a few from Blacktide?

And yes, they are your (Xaoc’s) off-time people, since your time zone is different from theirs…

Sup with the Blacktide bashing? All what happened there is that Xaoc was smart enough to look for guilds with a certain mindset to come to their server, and it worked.
As you freely admit that even the official community on your server is looking for certain people, you can’t really say anything about it.

They’re a few hours ahead and wake up in the morning to play, morning is still not considered primetime last I’ve heard

The matchup you link is from when Gunnar’s Hold was nr 9. considering i used to be on Gunnar’s Hold, i can safely tell you that at that point, Blacktide had not collected anyone yet.

Genev.2450:

Sup with the Blacktide bashing? All what happened there is that Xaoc was smart enough to look for guilds with a certain mindset to come to their server, and it worked.
As you freely admit that even the official community on your server is looking for certain people, you can’t really say anything about it.

They’re a few hours ahead and wake up in the morning to play, morning is still not considered primetime last I’ve heard

The matchup you link is from when Gunnar’s Hold was nr 9. considering i used to be on Gunnar’s Hold, i can safely tell you that at that point, Blacktide had not collected anyone yet.

I dont see any bashing I suggest you read couple posts above, ppl are just stating some facts for this Xaoc representative whos suggesting that getting external help is bad idea even tho thats the sole reason BT is #1 atm.

Genev.2450:

Sup with the Blacktide bashing? All what happened there is that Xaoc was smart enough to look for guilds with a certain mindset to come to their server, and it worked.
As you freely admit that even the official community on your server is looking for certain people, you can’t really say anything about it.

They’re a few hours ahead and wake up in the morning to play, morning is still not considered primetime last I’ve heard

Uh, i was just pointing out how ridiculous his post was, lets see:

Rednik.3809

Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead

How is it possible to “rise” our own night/morning crew? When we simple don’t have people in our server that plays at those time-zones? Make people set their alarm clock at 4-5 am and stop going to work/study? Yeah, that sounds very smart.

Then i just pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of someone from Blacktide saying to not “reach for external help” when 75% of his server’s WvW force is made of transfers, from guilds seeking an already settled off-time coverage to make things easier to gain points and to fight during prime-time with everything upgraded and easily handed to them from the off-time coverage. Those pejoratively known as the “bandwagoners”.

saVdoom.2067:

Reach external help? Like guilds such as CIR, Unnamed, RG, GF, Ruin, shall i go on just to mention a few from Blacktide?

And yes, they are your (Xaoc’s) off-time people, since your time zone is different from theirs…

When we were in the middle of the ladder, and needed help, we begin to organize better time cover and create morningshift out of native BT resources. All guilds named by you transfer AFTER that, and after we are defeat they servers on battlefield, proving that our server is worthy to fight for it. Our first morning team wake up on CTA every day near 6:00 Moscow time, then come another team, another and another, who takes, upgrades and defends objectives and keep them for guilds playing in EU primetime. So, what’s wrong in organize your own server forces for critical timezones instead of summon some external PvD guys who does not feel any obligations to your server community and can leave you at any moment?
P.S. Lots of BT guilds (like Nugos, GF, DZ and more) are russians too and play in EU primetime. We just separate our CTA timers for better coverage, because no one can keep people on the battlefield all day.
P.P.S. I not intended bashing on someone, just try to say that your own ppl is much more valuable if you manage to organize them.

While we do have bandwagoners, the majority of our WvW force was either already on the server or invited by the Blacktide community – and chose to accept that invitation for various reasons. I could give some of the reasons, if you really really want.

Calling those guilds bandwagoners isn’t very polite, and i consider it bashing. You might also not want to do it if you support this project of making your server stronger. Your server is a rising star, you will be in T2 friday. Are the guilds who transfered to help you get there (again, i guess /shrug) bandwagoners? Will the new guilds which you are looking for to help you be bandwagoners?

Rumour is, you haven’t been medium pop for a while, and it’s clearly stated you’re not looking for more EU primetime, so excuse me if I doubt you got back up on your own.

Rednik.3809:

saVdoom.2067:

Reach external help? Like guilds such as CIR, Unnamed, RG, GF, Ruin, shall i go on just to mention a few from Blacktide?

And yes, they are your (Xaoc’s) off-time people, since your time zone is different from theirs…

When we were in the middle of the ladder, and needed help, we begin to organize better time cover and create morningshift out of native BT resources. All guilds named by you transfer AFTER that, and after we are defeat they servers on battlefield, proving that our server is worthy to fight for it. Our first morning team wake up on CTA every day near 6:00 Moscow time, then come another team, another and another, who takes, upgrades and defends objectives and keep them for guilds playing in EU primetime. So, what’s wrong in organize your own server forces for critical timezones instead of summon some external PvD guys who does not feel any obligations to your server community and can leave you at any moment?
P.S. Lots of BT guilds (like Nugos, GF, DZ and more) are russians too and play in EU primetime. We just separate our CTA timers for better coverage, because no one can keep people on the battlefield all day.

And do please tell me, oh mighty. How do you do that when there is barely no Russians/Americans/Oceanic people in your server?

If you could make people to wake up at 6am Moscow time, congratulations although they should probably be waking up for work/study but if they can spare the free time, then good for them. But in our case we can’t. If you check FUBAR website all major guilds have work times/shifts so its just not possible – therefore people seek “external” help…

saVdoom.2067:

And do please tell me, oh mighty. How do you do that when there is barely no Russians/Americans/Oceanic people in your server?

If you could make people to wake up at 6am Moscow time, congratulations although they should probably be waking up for work/study but if they can spare the free time, then good for them. But in our case we can’t. If you check FUBAR website all major guilds have work times/shifts so its just not possible – therefore people seek “external” help…

We are specifically looking for these people in our ranks. Before, we are also actively seeking help to cover the morning and night, but in the end we realized that to find something like this is very difficult and its easier to organize ourselves, and allow guilds who came from other servers comfortably fight for us at EU primetime.

@Rednik:3809
-" All guilds named by you transfer AFTER that, and after we are defeat they servers on battlefield"
Is not like that… Nugos and “Disorder league” start transferring from FSP before match was over ( like 2-3 days before end ) and others follow them…
BTW the strongest part of BT at the moment are this “External” guilds so U cant say to others servers something like that:
- “Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.”
I just try to keep things on the forum strait …
Good luck 4 everyone

Belfagor Diabolos.1940:

@Rednik:3809
BTW the strongest part of BT at the moment are this “External” guilds so U cant say to others servers something like that:
- “Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.”

This “External” guilds are EU primetime. They are all do excellent work and have very strong ppl, but we dont demand from them “go and capture those maps at morning, and hold them until others come”. We try to do this part by ourselves, to maximize benefit for all server.

Whats the problem here? SFR is as far as I know made up of alot people with jobs/kids/partners – asking for help for times we cannot cover is not a crime.

BT picked up a whole bunch of other guilds over the past few weeks, now SFR asks, its suddenly – thou shalt not recruit messages, you should look within for time coverage and so on.

I don’t get it – BT already created an almost unbeatable server due to time coverage, people try to recruit for a timezone that basically will make the Xaoc alarm clocking less effective, and revert the balance of EU matches back to EU primetime, and its percieved to be wrong? please enlighten……..

BT will still more than likely win anyway (thats assuming we ever make T1 which should not be counted upon…)

Rednik.3809:

saVdoom.2067:

And do please tell me, oh mighty. How do you do that when there is barely no Russians/Americans/Oceanic people in your server?

If you could make people to wake up at 6am Moscow time, congratulations although they should probably be waking up for work/study but if they can spare the free time, then good for them. But in our case we can’t. If you check FUBAR website all major guilds have work times/shifts so its just not possible – therefore people seek “external” help…

We are specifically looking for these people in our ranks. Before, we are also actively seeking help to cover the morning and night, but in the end we realized that to find something like this is very difficult and its easier to organize ourselves, and allow guilds who came from other servers comfortably fight for us at EU primetime.

Still hasn’t answered me how we’re supposed to breed russians/oceanic/americans people out of thin air. And the fact that you’re “inviting” people is pretty much the same as inviting “outsiders”, people’s just trying to reach out already settled guilds with main voice channels and organization. Doesn’t mean i agree with that. We should stick with T2/T3, much better fights over all, and everything isn’t completely decided off-peak times EU.

You organized yourself to play at morning/night because you can play at morning. That’s not the case with us @ morning. At night we’ve some people but not that much, nor any really organized crew afaik. Haven’t seen our american Apollo guild online in a while.

It’s not about “hey BT is soo cool look at us”. It’s just about really big problems with recruitment night guilds, atm its only ruin, and afaik they decide to come on EU by themselves, not by some kind of invitation company. Homemade crew is much more simple and realistic solution then endless waiting for some US guild. Even if you make daytime crew it can help reduce nightcap impact alot and give your primetime guilds good base to fight.

Actually, Rednik is trying to tell you somethning. Instead of just dismissing it instantly, think about what he’s saying.

He s not saying YOU need to wake up 6am Moscow time, but that you could wake up 6am your time, just as they wake up 6am their time.

You could still go to work and what not, you would even have advantage over working Russians because you would be the last one to capture things (all other things being equal).

I still think changing your sleep schedule for this game is pointless. A game where main strategy is to out-timezone your opponent isn’t a game worth playing (hence I’m typing here and not playing).

Conversley all we are asking for is for some timezone coverage that does not require us rouse ourselves from the scratching pit at 6 a.m. to play a game, all power to the Xaoc guys for doing that and that effort they put in, its not for me though.

However no harm in others looking for an easier, more managable solution is there? for those of us that like a nice sleep, surely in the long run its better for all involved not to turn the game into a second job at the detriment to other things in life.

Like you say in the latter part of your post its a game where the main strategy is timezone manipulation, the www concept is good, the scoring system is flawed to an extent – but thats been discussed many a time and we are stuck with it for the time being.

SFR, I guess is looking forward ,nothing more than that, and taking a ‘if you can’t beat them join them’ attitude (which I guess could be attributed to VS for fielding the first strong night team and starting the viscious cycle).

The majority of the WWW arguments could have been averted with world wide servers as opposed to regional, but thats another debate.

I think all server’s have an issue of a sort where they need more people in a certain time slot. Sure server’s go through periods where they are heavily inflated but it doesn’t last long as pvdooring gets really really boring (done it a few times). Hope you guys get some help I have a few friends on SFR that are very nice.

This thread highlights rather well why ArenaNet need to look at the scoring system. While most of WvW seems inspired by DAoC and they’ve done a great job with many of the game mechanics, ArenaNet might benefit from looking at how Mythic tackled this problem in Warhammer Online. Don’t need to completely invalidate nightcapping, just make it less of a deciding factor.

PvD, like anything else that ends in VD, is not desirable.

Cant really see why all you BT guys are even posting in this thread?

You recruited guilds from other server yourself to get stronger in the timezones you needed coverage. You were in need of better primetime coverage and you recruited it from other servers.

If other servers get some more coverage and you may get some competition, whats the trouble in that? Looks like this is the way Anet designed WvW.

@Scribbles, enjoy your RUIN presence.

Now gtfo out of this thread BT.

No, we don’t.

Message Body length must at least be 15.

The only reason why BT forum trolls are in this thread is because they took note that ANET wants WvW to be 24/7, the saw the advantages, and really went for hte perfect time coverage server. They have succeeded and well done to them. They are the winners. Of course they would have something to say to SFR when we want the same coverage as they did it better than anyone else and gloat about it often

However capping to 1st place via perfect time coverage is not really skill or a genius of siege use. Its just capping when the others dont have the man power to do the same. BT proved this

In my eyes though nobody needed to prove this. We all knew that capping when numbers were low was the way to win. So I dont have too much respect for BT coming 1st place by proving a theory correct. I have more respect for Elona and in my eyes, if we beat them we have beaten the best servers the EU has to offer.

We arent going to beat BT, and even if we did, thats still not beating the best.

In fairness to BT every server needs a little night cover, however BT took it to a whole new level where its more serious than just fun. When RUIN moved over I laughed inside for a second.

Again I dont want SFR to get to many night caps to the point where we are like BT. Beating Elona is what i look forward to. They are the true masters of the EU ladder

T1 = night cap / time zone coverage
T2 = the best of the EU

(The french are good but are backed by some Canadian guilds as they speak french. Elona are the best)

>>T1 = night cap / time zone coverage
>>T2 = the best of the EU

Webley nice trolling try, but miss. T2 night cap / time zone coverage too.
Whole eu ladder about night cap / time zone coverage.

BT just want strong opponent and people from BTserver want help SF because they want fight with u.

Xaoc is usual big guild that organize uself for helping server. U can do same.
Each server can.
Most of Ruin guys away in PS2 and BT won 1st without them early.
French servers dont have Canadians, that was trolling too.
Elona good, but not best.

I think that waiting “External” guilds dont have perspective. Organise your server with your own forces best choise.

I would go ahead and say that it would be nice to fight Arborstone again, in my eyes they’re #1 EU. I like Elona too, but i don’t think they’re good opponents, but they sure have a lot of willing people.

Vizunah has some decent guilds too and would probably be an enjoyable fight, but the reason they’re in T1 so long is the amount of coverage they can bring up plus a lot of willing people to do WvW staying late up all night and so on.

Anyway, i don’t even care much about WvW, simple AoE spam while abusing culling and/or mesmers portal. Might be even worse then Warhammer, least there a small group could handle a big one due good usage of moral dumps, and i mean literally 6 people against 12-18. I believe Soul Reapers (currently in Arborstone) remember a fight we had north east of Reikland couple months back where we had 6 (Pullbot on slayer, Iffigenie on WL, Shasla on WP, i was on my Funkydelic WP too, and then Woatan – or Miamotoo – and someone else knighting it up i believe) where wiped their whole 2 groups using good morals drops / drains. Fight lasted around 10-15 minutes with us nearly wiping couple times too. And Soul Reapers are a decent bunch. To bad warhammer didn’t had more of those :-(

Funny how BT players really claim they got to Nr.1 without the help of external guilds… Why are you so afraid of the truth? NO Server will ever get to Nr.1 without external guilds and players joining them, Vizunah was an exception as they were the Server with the biggest nightcoverage from the start. I know of ATLEAST 5 good organized guilds that left the server i play on to join Blacktide when it was on the rise. Blacktide IS the best EU Server rightnow and this is not only because of the massive immigration they had. Ofc a solid basic is crucial to even attract other guilds and im sure Blacktide has this kind of basic. But saying you did that all on your own is just ignorant and everyone knows this is not possible the way ANet has made WvW.

BT get Nr.1 with help of external guilds that play in eu prime time except weekend.
Suppenkasper if u have outmanned buff in eu prime time u can easy invite and join other guilds.
But if u want invite them on off peak hours u dont have a chance becouse all want play in eu praim time. U must organise off peak hours uself.

BT in tier3 had outmanned buff in eu prime time.
I hope that smart guys from SF will understand that i told about organisation.

suppenkasper.5371:

Funny how BT players really claim they got to Nr.1 without the help of external guilds… Why are you so afraid of the truth? NO Server will ever get to Nr.1 without external guilds and players joining them, Vizunah was an exception as they were the Server with the biggest nightcoverage from the start. I know of ATLEAST 5 good organized guilds that left the server i play on to join Blacktide when it was on the rise. Blacktide IS the best EU Server rightnow and this is not only because of the massive immigration they had. Ofc a solid basic is crucial to even attract other guilds and im sure Blacktide has this kind of basic. But saying you did that all on your own is just ignorant and everyone knows this is not possible the way ANet has made WvW.

Can you show a quotation, in which we argue that the first place – only our merit? All we have argued – is that we have taken on the responsibility for covering the most problematic for Europe time zones as find outside help for this task is very difficult. We tried to show you the problem, as well as the way in which we solved it, but for that you just started to accuse us of trolling. Apparently this is the way the discussion that you find the best. We wish you good luck.

lin.2814:

BT get Nr.1 with help of external guilds that play in eu prime time.
Suppenkasper if u have outmanned buff in eu prime time u can easy invite and join other guilds.
But if u want invite them on off peak hours u dont have a chance becouse all want play in eu praim time. U must organise off peak hours uself.

BT in tier3 had outmanned buff in eu prime time.

BT’s main original guilds and WvW focused players PLAY at morning/night (off-prime time in general). And then you invited people in off-times for you guys (which happens to be EU prime time). No other server can do that unless they have a 2nd Xaoc’s, or some other bunch of non-working/studying/kids people to bash into doors for hours when there is not many people online.

We cannot “organize” that on our own simple because Life/Duty > WvW, and we don’t have many oceanic/american players, and people can’t afford to lose sleep or work just to login and not have fun bashing into doors.

6 am for the Russians is still 6 am for the Russians – hardly primetime

Also, anyone who genuinely believes those silly RUIN had anything to do with us being on top (well, except maybe that them abandoning Desolation, and turning into laughing stock for anyone who cares about WvW, gave us less of a fight on that side) is a complete idiot.

Genev.2450:

6 am for the Russians is still 6 am for the Russians – hardly primetime

What… ? Do you understand that they have their own prime-time right? Since prime-time means: the main time in which, YOU can play.

EDIT: So basically what people is trying to say is that they invited people off THEIR prime-time (the Russian prime-time). I just edited this bit to try make things clear for reading comprehension issues people seem to be having.

Russain prime time and eu prime time same (1-2 hours different).

Most people in Xaoc have work / studing.
Each guild have members that play in off peak hours.
Xaoc is more then usual guild . Xaoc is union of russian community with open voice chat and strong goals.

I know that u have open voice chat. Just need cooperate 30+ people.
That all.

So your basically saying Blacktide is the only server that managed to organize the EU primetime activity for their Server? The fact that you could organize it is because you had a big pool of WvW oriented guilds joining Blacktide and nothing else. With a lot of players comes alot of players more that are able to shift their activity from night to day or day to night… easy as that. And ofc organized guilds that join another Server inform themselves about the coverage of the server of choice to not end up in hour long queue’s. Blacktide had a strong basic and thats why it counted to the stronger servers already before the massive immigration. But this immigration made you reach rank 1 and nothing else, just face it.

6AM own time isn’t going to be primetime for anyone, this is an effort that they put in to play Before their primetime (which is late afternoon/early evening for us, if i’m not mistaken), something they organised and then went “Look, we can hold up the off-peak times for you – all we need is people to hold back the primetime groups once we go to sleep”.

You might not understand it right, but they’re actually trying to help. If the wording feels a bit aggressive /shrug, not everybody speaks perfect English.

Edit: No, Blacktide isn’t the only server who managed to organise anything, nobody is saying that.

Ok, seems its being very hard to understand for some people.

Simple question: Is there any other guild Xaoc’s size (or alliances) that does WvW in SFR actively at the same time-zone? I’m talking about people who play around the same time-zone as you guys, either other Russians or whatever, that are from equal or close enough size of your guild/alliance that play in SFR?
Simple answer: No. We perhaps could grab a bunch of randoms together that play at those times but they won’t be even 10% as effective as a fully voice-com zerg guild.

So…. that is why people seek “outside” help. Not that i agree with it, but its the way Anet wants us to play their game – which is boring as hell.

Genev.2450:

6AM own time isn’t going to be primetime for anyone, this is an effort that they put in to play Before their primetime (which is late afternoon/early evening for us, if i’m not mistaken)

Because they can afford/can login at 6AM and login into the game and play a bit. Our server – or the majority of the WvW players – cannot. And no. We are not willing to sacrifice anything of our resting time just to bash into empty doors to win GW2 ladder. So people is seeking people that usually play around that time to do that.

So the way i see it, BT can lead in points at 6am RUS time, which is what? night-time in EU? Then they can lead in RUS prime-time which is EU’s evening/working time. And then they fight equally at EU prime-time, which is RUS sleeping time. So yes, you’ve coverage most of the day, which is why you’re #1. Gratz. But we don’t have this amount of russians to pull something like this, so therefore its not possible to organize our “own” in order to do that.

I would like to add that i have absolutely no problem with any “outside help” looked for by any server and wish you good luck with it and all that stuff.

And honestly, the Russian zerg isn’t as big as you might think, it’s 1 group switching between battlegrounds and taking things fairly efficient, leaving some people behind everywhere (not all necessarily on their voice com, i’ve been part of the zerg when i was sick and couldn’t sleep, for example) to call for help if needed and to keep supply going

Genev.2450:

And honestly, the Russian zerg isn’t as big as you might think, it’s 1 group switching between battlegrounds and taking things fairly efficient, leaving some people behind everywhere (not all necessarily on their voice com, i’ve been part of the zerg when i was sick and couldn’t sleep, for example) to call for help if needed and to keep supply going

Erm. No its not 1 group… and i know that because i fought them multiple times since i usually play american time (EU’s night – RUS morning). Perhaps they take lightly when they’re leading by a large amount of points naturally.

I would quote something from our old match up we had weeks ago, when SFR was defending Bay with ~10 people against 20-30 of it and we wiped them because they kept dying close to our walls vs 3-4 of us attacking from the side while the other 5-6 were at siege weapons, and Xaoc’s representatives were complaining that we were invisible and so on. All those posts were deleted though since they led to that huge flame war we had in our old match up. And my other account is still suspended because of it lol.

Not what i meant by 1 group, by 1 group i meant “Not every borderlands is covered, not even 2 of them”.
Not “omg just 5 people lolll”

saVdoom.2067:

Genev.2450:

And honestly, the Russian zerg isn’t as big as you might think, it’s 1 group switching between battlegrounds and taking things fairly efficient, leaving some people behind everywhere (not all necessarily on their voice com, i’ve been part of the zerg when i was sick and couldn’t sleep, for example) to call for help if needed and to keep supply going

Erm. No its not 1 group… and i know that because i fought them multiple times since i usually play american time (EU’s night – RUS morning). Perhaps they take lightly when they’re leading by a large amount of points naturally.

I would quote something from our old match up we had weeks ago, when SFR was defending Bay with ~10 people against 20-30 of it and we wiped them because they kept dying close to our walls vs 3-4 of us attacking from the side while the other 5-6 were at siege weapons, and Xaoc’s representatives were complaining that we were invisible and so on. All those posts were deleted though since they led to that huge flame war we had in our old match up. And my other account is still suspended because of it lol.

20-30 is a huge RUS zerg ? xD
Most of them every morning play new alt if they dont play seriously.

Genev right.

SF just need 30+ players, good commander, and voice server.

lin.2814:

saVdoom.2067:

Genev.2450:

And honestly, the Russian zerg isn’t as big as you might think, it’s 1 group switching between battlegrounds and taking things fairly efficient, leaving some people behind everywhere (not all necessarily on their voice com, i’ve been part of the zerg when i was sick and couldn’t sleep, for example) to call for help if needed and to keep supply going

Erm. No its not 1 group… and i know that because i fought them multiple times since i usually play american time (EU’s night – RUS morning). Perhaps they take lightly when they’re leading by a large amount of points naturally.

I would quote something from our old match up we had weeks ago, when SFR was defending Bay with ~10 people against 20-30 of it and we wiped them because they kept dying close to our walls vs 3-4 of us attacking from the side while the other 5-6 were at siege weapons, and Xaoc’s representatives were complaining that we were invisible and so on. All those posts were deleted though since they led to that huge flame war we had in our old match up. And my other account is still suspended because of it lol.

20-30 is a huge RUS zerg ? xD
Most of them every morning play new alt if they dont play seriously.

Genev right.

SF just need 30+ players, good commander, and voice server.

30 vs 10 yes, its a huge zerg. Just like someone get “zerged” going against 3 people being alone.

We have decent commanders and our voice server has nearly 300 people during prime-time. But like i said.. its hard to pull people off their regular life to login at off-times just to PvD for points’s sake.

if i remember right Xaoc had over 1500 players in their guild.
ofc you could organize 50 of them to play at any given time…
heck,you could send 50 to SFR and you wouldn’t notice it,right?

wow, how any random topic leads to a flame war.

This is what it is, random topic.
Seafarer’s Rest doesnt ask for anything, the server doesnt actively recruit since like1st month of game.

Every supposed recruitment topic is not official and therefore its not our opinion.
All the guilds that “reinforced” us were not asked to come, we are just an open community that helps everyone to integrate themselves if they wish to play with us.

SFR don’t recruit, SFR don’t ask, people just like our attitude and seek to play with us.

And our general consensus is that we don’t care enough to alarmclock, we will just bash our heads into reinforced doors much happier than to kitten our sleep schedules.
Reset is the only exception.

Seafarers whilst I appreciate that we alllllllllllll need people to cover every hour of the day and night in WvW, forum threads to recruit are fine but last week you guys sent a couple of guild recruiters to at first get people to join guilds and then when your week was up take those players back with you.

A) We need and like our players, we have a good community on our server.
B) You actively took up spots in WvW to nick players, so you may as well have been doing the jumping puzzle.

We all have nightcapping issues but keep underhand recruitment off the books, just makes you seem desperate.