Guild Wars 2

Just wondering.

A few weeks ago we had queues, we had coordination, we had a lot of conversation on map chat and we would always put up a good fight.

This weekend we have zero queues, very little map chat and it’s hard to find any groups doing anything. I’ve permanently had the Undermanned buff since Saturday morning (really helps against the Blacktide zerg with their triple orb buff :p).

Have people stopped playing, have they transferred or are they just taking a break? Or has everyone just gone on holiday this weekend? I hope people come back, we had such great comradery, fighting spirit and communication a few weeks back!

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I would say it’s a combination of things that has killed Seafarer’s.

Hacking during the Deso/Kodash match up culled a lot of WvW presence. Before that the hours upon hours of queueing culled guilds, my guild fell victim to this. Oct 7th patch also culled guilds from doing WvW. And of course getting higher in the ranks means we face more Nightcapping servers which cannot be competed against, so people again don’t WvW due to it being pointless.. we all know the Nightcapping song and dance routine. And lastly the free transfers means that those who still want to WvW will move to a server still capable.

Seafarer’s may be the pioneering server in what happens if GW2 doesn’t get fast changes. Time will tell, just watch each week as Seafarer’s fall further down the rankings, where she stops nobody knows!

Dredj.4025:

I would say it’s a combination of things that has killed Seafarer’s.

Hacking during the Deso/Kodash match up culled a lot of WvW presence. Before that the hours upon hours of queueing culled guilds, my guild fell victim to this. Oct 7th patch also culled guilds from doing WvW. And of course getting higher in the ranks means we face more Nightcapping servers which cannot be competed against, so people again don’t WvW due to it being pointless.. we all know the Nightcapping song and dance routine. And lastly the free transfers means that those who still want to WvW will move to a server still capable.

Seafarer’s may be the pioneering server in what happens if GW2 doesn’t get fast changes. Time will tell, just watch each week as Seafarer’s fall further down the rankings, where she stops nobody knows!

This is what I was trying to say, but unfortunately the edit button bugged out – well put Dredj. (This is Sharptrauma BTW, missing our WvW ambushes)

You don’t happen to be the same Dredj from Warhammer Online, Karak Norn? Quite a unique name I remember it.

1. Hacking….. During the time when the orbs got hacked people left

2. Fighting the French/Canadian server… After getting seriously wooped any guilds that were willing to spend money on siege equipment and upgrades transferred to another server

3. People got bored of the Eternal Battlegrounds mentality SFR has. We never get the orbs which in the games current state are the most important things untill that gets changed.

4. A night Zerg. We dont have one, so people left after thier keeps were upgraded during the day and lost during the night

5. SFR has gone from a High server to a medium Population server. Most of those people PvE

I am still around tho. Killing people with no orb buffs chasing people with 3 has kind of become a thing to improve my skills

Anyone who transferred are bad players looking for an easy win.

We are doing terrible because we have no numbers. However the players who do still play are really good at PvP and can win fights that have us outnumbered

If its any consolation I played on a t1 server and moved back to Sea Farers Rest because the t1 server only involved counter zerging

It for me was actually more boring than trying to win a fight when your outmanned

Fu OSC etc left? whole Fubar Alliance? pls say its not true.

Webley.1295:

SFR has gone from a High server to a medium Population server.

SFR has been Medium server for as long as I remember.

The server can win prime time no problem, but it doesn’t have high enough population to cover the entire day. And the way WvW works, you need that.

Elkantar.9460:

Fu OSC etc left? whole Fubar Alliance? pls say its not true.

Ive seen a couple of those guys around still

However, no matter how strong those guilds were, some have left those guilds to join a faceroll guild on a zerg populated server. So I dont think those guilds were as strong as they were, or at least they arent activley participating during the time i log on (Aussie time)

Check out http://pevepe.net/

i know webley i chat often with you, all of kodash love Seefarers as enemys, tough enemys nearly same time coverage, eye to eye fights, or butthurt fights, some nice stomping from both sides!

I cant believe that some WTJ’s destroy or leave the organised and well played SR Community. You are even stronger then Far Shiverpeaks in your primetime.

There is nothing you should be ashamed of, instead be proud of!

Toughest Enemys i ever faced in the whole matchup and i fought all beside the lowrank and Vizunah:
1. Seefarers Rest
2. Far Shiverpeaks
3. no third yet who was really as tough as those both.

Pandemic Legion have enjoyed the face mashing meets against kodash skirmish groups at supply camps.

Elkantar.9460:

Fu OSC etc left? whole Fubar Alliance? pls say its not true.

No. Osc was conquering blacktide border today.

As said before, the week vs desolation and kodash with the massive hacking and the invisible bug broke our neck, then we were stomped one week by arborstone and nobody wanted to fight. We lost many players and we dont have enough anymore for the top 10.
Now, we have to take the whole evening to fight vs Blacktide’s fully upgraded keeps and Blacktide always have a massive defense (Best defenders I have seen until now).
This week would be a close fight if we would have more numbers, as all 3 servers are quite even in prime time. But we cant compete with blacktide or even riverside due to lack of players.
But as long we have something like this in the evening after hours of intense war, fighting is still fun (at least for me):

http://i.imgur.com/tLZa7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/MrZ0q.jpg?1

OSC are still around.

All the fair weather people jumped ship when they started coming up against fully populated servers. The fact we still punch way above our weight shows our strength as a server so to all those who jumped….bye.

Due to the way WvWvW works currently though I doubt we’ll get higher than we did and to be perfectly honest it’s a credit to the entire server we did get as high as we did considering the population.

Please refrain from making false statements…
No heavily active SR/Fubar guild left the server.
We will not transfer to 24/7 Zerg servers.

We made the choise at start to go at an empty server.
MEDIUM population hopefully for ever!

Yes atm we dont have any ques i really dont get why people think thats bad when there ques they cry when there arent they cry even harder:)

As we climbed the ladder we faced harder oponents and some atm unbeatable for a medium population server.
imo not bad some slack a bit and can finally do some of there pvx.
Cmon we made T2 as medium server eat your coockie relax a bit well be back in bussiness soon.

Got hope back yestarday evning when we after some hours off fighting finaly took Garrison and did some real try on both DB and EH even do we were outmand.

Yes, yesterday evening we were like in ‘good old times’ . Medium pop. server, but we controlled 70% of the maps until after midnight!

SFR is not dead, but we need our fighting spirit back!

Dredj.4025:

I would say it’s a combination of things that has killed Seafarer’s.

Hacking during the Deso/Kodash match up culled a lot of WvW presence. Before that the hours upon hours of queueing culled guilds, my guild fell victim to this. Oct 7th patch also culled guilds from doing WvW. And of course getting higher in the ranks means we face more Nightcapping servers which cannot be competed against, so people again don’t WvW due to it being pointless.. we all know the Nightcapping song and dance routine. And lastly the free transfers means that those who still want to WvW will move to a server still capable.

Seafarer’s may be the pioneering server in what happens if GW2 doesn’t get fast changes. Time will tell, just watch each week as Seafarer’s fall further down the rankings, where she stops nobody knows!

Is That Dredj from Warhammer?

Come over to Blacktide man we moved here with the Unnamed and CIR.

Its awesome.

Here are some of our experiences of it.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Project-Blacktide-Pan-Continental-Alliance-Looking-for-US-and-EU-Guilds/first#post490828

Snort.3698:

Dredj.4025:

I would say it’s a combination of things that has killed Seafarer’s.

Hacking during the Deso/Kodash match up culled a lot of WvW presence. Before that the hours upon hours of queueing culled guilds, my guild fell victim to this. Oct 7th patch also culled guilds from doing WvW. And of course getting higher in the ranks means we face more Nightcapping servers which cannot be competed against, so people again don’t WvW due to it being pointless.. we all know the Nightcapping song and dance routine. And lastly the free transfers means that those who still want to WvW will move to a server still capable.

Seafarer’s may be the pioneering server in what happens if GW2 doesn’t get fast changes. Time will tell, just watch each week as Seafarer’s fall further down the rankings, where she stops nobody knows!

Is That Dredj from Warhammer?

Come over to Blacktide man we moved here with the Unnamed and CIR.

Its awesome.

Here are some of our experiences of it.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Project-Blacktide-Pan-Continental-Alliance-Looking-for-US-and-EU-Guilds/first#post490828

Haha, wow.

Yoke.4671:

^^
Not true at all mate, alot of the guilds on SFR esp the pvp ones just left for higher tier/ busier servers. They jumped ship to winning and bigger zerg servers, bugs had nothing to do with it bar a few days after the oct7th patch till it was hotfixed where alot didnt bother to play

What are you even talking about? If “a lot of the guilds” left, then you should easily be able to say which ones?

Please don’t listen to the rumors, we are still fighting for this server.

I still have seen all the usual guilds around from FUBAR (VII, FU, OSC, AR…), just not as active in WvWvW, which is understandable. I have gave up on WvWvW quite a while ago and i’m focusing on tPvP at the moment.

I guess we’ll just wait all the zerging servers that are seeking for 24h coverage (such as Blacktide – Far Shiverpeaks) to get full and to Anet close free transfers and then I might think to hop into WvWvW again for some serious prime-time kicking kitten

And yes, that’s Dredj from warhammer, not sure what happened with EC but some of them might join The Committee or something as far as i heard.

Besides i like the fact people see Seafarer’s Rest as a weak link atm (except the people who have fought against us prime-time ~2 weeks ago – before the hacking issue) and hopefully we stay as Medium Populated server forever, having no problems with queues is awesome!
And we shouldn’t worry with the whole “scoring/ranking” system anyway, since it is barely anything related with the PvP quality/intensity since its 90% related with PvDoors and setting clock-timers to morning for unemployed players/different time-zones. Once Anet fix scoring to take into accounts the amount of people fighting/defending/kills, i might be way more interested into it.

What happened with EC is we got bogged down with the queues. Then our WvW leader left and I was ill so couldn’t cover it so there was little draw to get people into WvW. Then people got bored and played other games so some of those still wanting to WvW moved to Piken Square and those who remained were to few in numbers to impact WvW as a guild group.

I’ve not played in 2 weeks and don’t miss GW2 at all. I log in from time to time and there is usually about 5 people logged in.

So my best answer is that we just don’t care about GW2 any more, it wasn’t what we expected, despite the first 2 weeks when we thought we had found the winner, the game to stick with for a few years. But ofc that wore off fast as we spent many evenings sitting in queues.

Dredj.4025:

What happened with EC is we got bogged down with the queues. Then our WvW leader left and I was ill so couldn’t cover it so there was little draw to get people into WvW. Then people got bored and played other games so some of those still wanting to WvW moved to Piken Square and those who remained were to few in numbers to impact WvW as a guild group.

I’ve not played in 2 weeks and don’t miss GW2 at all. I log in from time to time and there is usually about 5 people logged in.

So my best answer is that we just don’t care about GW2 any more, it wasn’t what we expected, despite the first 2 weeks when we thought we had found the winner, the game to stick with for a few years. But ofc that wore off fast as we spent many evenings sitting in queues.

On the bright side now there is no queues at all, but its kinda kitten to fight fully upgraded keeps everyday you login. But it can still be fun i guess :p

tbh SFR got a whole alliance join them from Aurora this weekend…last night’s WvW showed that SFR can fight,only problem is late night/early morning when Blacktide takes all orbs and zones back…

Mortix.9725:

tbh SFR got a whole alliance join them from Aurora this weekend…last night’s WvW showed that SFR can fight,only problem is late night/early morning when Blacktide takes all orbs and zones back…

Night/morning is around 2/3 of the whole time that WvWvW is “open”. And yes people tell us to find international guilds and what-so-ever to fill in those gaps, but to be honest even if we do that the score system is still very badly PvE/PvDoor oriented and not PvP. Hence tPvP atm is where i find fun to be atm.

we are fighting right now, on the Riverside (DE) Borderland. And i’ve a question… we have just taken the keep at Sharadan hills… we left the keep to continue our zerg and istantly we found about 15/20 ppl from Riverside inside the keep with no damage on any doors, how did they enter? there is some secret passage? Just to understand if is there is something strange there, caouse in 3 guild and about 50 ppl didn’t noticed anything…

PS. sorry for my bad english :P

Actually it was us there – BT not Riverside and how we got there ? I’ll leave that to your imagination…

Oton.1948:

Actually it was us there – BT not Riverside and how we got there ? I’ll leave that to your imagination…

man, i was sure where the others.. If you say so i can only belive you. and if i’ve to follow my immagination i’m not sure to think about something nice… so i just hope was something right to do…

and only for the glory, before the nightcrew take anything and to show that we are still here… :P

Today evening and Sunday evening showed that SFR is alive and kicking during prime-time. Slowly signing off now, Blacktide, feel free to tell XOAC to have their alarm clocks ready at 05:00 am

We look foward to tomorrow evening when we’ll have to do the uphill battle – YET AGAIN- and recap all the upgraded towers.

Activity is going up and SFR still wins in prime time but the problem is 24hr coverage.

I might be under a misconception but are XOAC meant to be something more than mediocre?

Xaoc is fine, stop with this ridiculous bashing. They have a lot of members and are accepting everyone because that way it’s easier to organize.

This elitism thing is exactly the reason why SFR is not doing good as it could. SFR treats WvW as if it was tPvP. WvW is not tPvP. Servers like Blacktide are better than SFR exactly because they understand how to play WvW, and SFR does not. SFR treats WvW as some kind of prime time duels.

So let’s get one thing straight: Xaoc is better guild than ANY guild on SFR. It gains more points for their servers. That’s what “better” means in WvW.

We have one of the best WvW alliances but i think they will burn out and wont be able to carry our medium populated server.
Im afraid rly competitive WvW is only for a few selected servers atm like Deso, BT and some of the French and German servers or the NA top tier.

tagnut.8621:

I might be under a misconception but are XOAC meant to be something more than mediocre?

Well, i wouldn’t say mediocre since they have around 50 people running together so they make a difference in WvWvW, especially when they play at 5am when there is no one to fight against.

But when its an even fight they’re not more then pick-ups-groups skill average. But the new EU guilds who massively transfered to Blacktide love them since they cap everything on the morning and fully upgrade it. That’s just major boring :p

I don’t understand what is server alliance supposed to be. It’s like an alliance within an alliance (server). We’re already allied. There are many servers in GW2 who don’t understand the point of alliances. They form an “alliance” among guilds of the same server. It’s ridiculous. Meanwhile, players who do know what alliances are – are on Vizunah and Arborstone servers. And if they play it well, they can continue being top servers until the 3rd server becomes strong enough to fight both of them at the same time. Which might take a long time.

A lot of the WvW guilds on BT are focusing on Riverside objectives to secure mathematical 1st place.

You guys can push up and fight for 2nd place.

Good fights all around this pairing, very entertaining!

Grok.6714:

Today evening and Sunday evening showed that SFR is alive and kicking during prime-time. Slowly signing off now, Blacktide, feel free to tell XOAC to have their alarm clocks ready at 05:00 am

We look foward to tomorrow evening when we’ll have to do the uphill battle – YET AGAIN- and recap all the upgraded towers.

You do realise that your ‘prime time’ is when most of the Blacktide players are asleep?

Funny how SF are always crying about nightcapping when for Blacktide players you are the nightcappers

@ dmae

Not really since there was a massive influx of guilds in BT, such as CIR and Unnammed to name a few, and they’re on prime-time. And i bet you still got queues (as you can see on the chart posted on the first weeks of the server) for all battle grounds.

The problem with SFR and WvW is that WvW is not structured and neither is the population

Sure WvW has objectives but they are open for anyone to join. People can join WvW and not participate in capturing a Keep but rather hunt for another players for some entertainment

Thats not to say SFR doesnt have alliances that work soley on these objectives…. They just dont have as many. Some servers like Blacktide focuses primarily on these things. People Transfer to Blacktide for that kind of mentality

For instance. in Structured PvP I join and theres only one thing to do on a small map. Capture points and kill people.

WvW is not structured. You can go there, follow a zerg or do a bit of farming for ore etc. Maybe go to the puzzle and kill a few folks on the way without even noticing that there are upgrade options for keeps and what not. SFR is not focused on the WvW objectives but it has some seriously good PvP’ers who do like a bit of WvW. However we lack in numbers, and the minority trying to take the keeps and complete objectives will get frustrated from the guys who just rocked up at WvW to do a bit of killing to test a new build or a new weaponset.

There are some great PvP’ers in SFR but the server mentality is that it just doesnt care to much about the score or night capping. This is frustrating for those in SFR that do care about score and some do care about night zergs. Those people will and some already have; left.

SFR Motto. Casual PvP’ers owning the Serious PvP’ers since launch

The problem for our server is that we will always be in between the medium population servers and the high pop servers. As we will own the medium pops but loose against the high pops just because we dont cover nights and we dont have the numbers.

So that means We will win week1 against a medium pop, loose week2 against a high pop, move down a tier back into a medium pop then win week 3, move up a tier into a high pop and loose again. (Thats a prediction only)

When we reach that bracket people may start transferring to us for the fights. Lets see. We are still way to high in the ratings for what we are now. We punched far far above our weight and now that people are using the transfers to outweigh everything we need to loose a couple of weeks to get to another server with the same mentality, as we are atm facing 24hour servers week after week when we never intended to reach
6th place (without doing the 24hour zergs)

Can you honestly blame SRF for having this attitude Webley?
Honestly i’d care much more about the objectives if that amount of people i killed while outnumbered mattered. But it doesn’t. Score only reflects PvE and zerg mentality unfortunately.
True PvPers don’t change that easily just to look “good” for others. Honestly, we don’t give a kitten. Everyone who fought us prime-time face to face saw that we’re good and praised us. Blacktide here even with their morning cap 2 weeks ago got stomped and had to cry for even more people becoming probably one of the most stacked server at the moment, just to compete.

Unfortunately like Anet said they wanted to make WvWvW casual, so that everyone could join. So it is what it is, a casual game. Hence why i know alot of people focusing on doing their own thing and tPvP atm since its where the competitive part of the game is at.

Maybe i’ll give focus to WvWvW again when they close free transfers, or when they fix the score to reflect actual PvP. And in fact the guilds who still do WvWvW activelly are doing an insane good job while being medium populated server. Just like right now our score is 455 against 150 from BT and 100 from Riverside, its just pointless since people have to sleep for work/life and by the time they log back in we’d have lost everything to BT since they play agaisnt no opposition… i know this is part of the game, but we can’t simple get 2000 players to cover our night/morning shifts out of the blue unfortunately.

pedrst.3127:

Can you honestly blame SRF for having this attitude Webley?
Honestly i’d care much more about the objectives if that amount of people i killed while outnumbered mattered. But it doesn’t. Score only reflects PvE and zerg mentality unfortunately.
True PvPers don’t change that easily just to look “good” for others. Honestly, we don’t give a kitten. Everyone who fought us prime-time face to face saw that we’re good and praised us. Blacktide here even with their morning cap 2 weeks ago got stomped and had to cry for even more people becoming probably one of the most stacked server at the moment, just to compete.

Unfortunately like Anet said they wanted to make WvWvW casual, so that everyone could join. So it is what it is, a casual game. Hence why i know alot of people focusing on doing their own thing and tPvP atm since its where the competitive part of the game is at.

Maybe i’ll give focus to WvWvW again when they close free transfers, or when they fix the score to reflect actual PvP. And in fact the guilds who still do WvWvW activelly are doing an insane good job while being medium populated server. Just like right now our score is 455 against 150 from BT and 100 from Riverside, its just pointless since people have to sleep for work/life and by the time they log back in we’d have lost everything to BT since they play agaisnt no opposition… i know this is part of the game, but we can’t simple get 2000 players to cover our night/morning shifts out of the blue unfortunately.

Thats why it will be good when we move down a few tiers. The transfers have tiered up all the servers in a wierd rank. when those ranks even out we will be against like minded servers which will be a good thing for sea farers. We got to high from killing stuff.

Server ranks only really represent what server was server of the week and not actual server progress.

The only problem I see is that people will transfer to us when we do win, and we will also become a stacked server like those we wish not to be. They will also move when we dont win. But thats back down to anets transfer issue. The guesting system will mean certain servers become 24/7 pvp places to go to when your not in PvE. On that day only certain people will fight for the server they play on and most will just use the guesting system for WvW to be on 3 worlds that are full or at high pop for fair fights.

Youll be able to say to your mates when guesting: Meet me in Henge today as its not full. Then another day youll be able to pick another server that is server of the week. The guesting system will promote what free server transfers are doing right now.

Webley.1295:

SFR is not focused on the WvW objectives but it has some seriously good PvP’ers who do like a bit of WvW.

I don’t see any proof of this. It’s easy to focus on WvW objectives when you have 100 people versus 10 of the enemy. You can overrun the entire map, any part of the map. You can have 50 people killing kraits in the lake and still overrun the entire map. When we played vs Arborstone they had bots killing kraits every night in the lake on borderlands but it didn’t matter since Arborstone at that time of the day outnumbered both other servers combined, by a lot (and now they are #1 server, for obvious reasons).

The problem of SFR is that it’s a medium server, which means there are less people going for the objectives simply because there are less people all around.

Just how many times have you seen SFR having a queue and losing in points?

Anyway, right now SFR has 595 points, simply because it has more players on the maps. In half an hour Blacktide wakes up and the situation will reverse.

The blacktide mentality is more WvW than it is at SFR. SFR go to WvW, but the server has a whole has a well balanced WvW and PvE and sPvP community, thus each area suffers when getting put up agsainst server who soley join people like blacktide for organised WvW mentality

Its obviously also a case of numbers. SFR are more relaxed at taking keeps, they are also happy to just kill people outside of the keeps for a few hours without building seige to actually take them. Servers like blacktide have a real hunger to take the keeps and get past all the PvP fluffy stuff.

but as mentioned SFR does have a small alliance to take the keeps and objectives. Its just that most of the puggy people on SFR are there to have fun. puggy people in places like blacktide are there for the mentality to take take take as thats the server mentality at the moment. When you have 50 Xaoc people barking orders in blacktide, any pugger will see this on the chat and join in for the ride which creates that mentality.

When people bark orders in SFR, some people join, and others just do what they want to do because they arent to bothered about being the t1 server

its clear blacktide want to move up, and its clear that SFR wants to do well but accepts it doesnt have the numbers and then everyone just go into relaxed killing mode for the badges. Usually when SFR fights off the resistance and theres nothing defending, its fitting to drop a few rams. I dont believe we activley take take take tho as much as the other servers?…

Someone saying Xaoc is better then anything on SFR? that’s quite a claim to make. I’ve seen a lot of Xaoc since they server hop, or there is more then 1 Xaoc out there making my post pointless. But if it’s the same guys then we used to wipe them all the time. Can’t think of a single time they were able to beat us.

Probably got footage of it too since we recorded WvW all day for our video’s.

Lol one week ago we were outmanned in EB at 8 pm, now we have a queue on EB at 4 am. WTF is going on? Where do all the players come from? The server seems to be quite lively atm.

btw, Project: “Getting Riverside” is doing well:
http://i.imgur.com/DJNb7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/yN7cb.jpg?1
Evil Seafarer Nightcappers mwahaha

Ok, Russia says Good Morning now. Time to give them the keys for the keeps and go to bed.

SFR is great, its a shame I am an Aussie user. I am in such a wierd time zone. SFR is close to dead when blacktide are wide awake and zergy

World Current Rating Deviation Volatility
Seafarer’s Rest 1673.775 194.53 0.968

Our Volatility is the lowest in the world

Volatility: “The volatility measure indicates the degree of expected fluctuation in a player’s rating. The volatility measure is high when a player has erratic performances (e.g., when the player has had exceptionally strong results after a period of stability), and the volatility measure is low when the player performs at a consistent level.”

Our Deviation is above average

Ratings Deviation: “The Glicko system [computes] not only a rating, which can be thought of as a best guess of one’s playing strength, but also a ratings deviation (RD) […] which measures the uncertainty in a rating (high RD’s correspond to unreliable ratings).”

So each player is consistent, but because we went really high and now loosing tiers really fast due to the loss of numbers in server transfers our deviation is above average

Dredj, you babby, game is fine.

Dredj.4025:

Someone saying Xaoc is better then anything on SFR? that’s quite a claim to make. I’ve seen a lot of Xaoc since they server hop, or there is more then 1 Xaoc out there making my post pointless. But if it’s the same guys then we used to wipe them all the time. Can’t think of a single time they were able to beat us.

Probably got footage of it too since we recorded WvW all day for our video’s.

Lol they are terrible. Same people we stomped 2 weeks ago. Thing is that they got a massive inc of guilds on BT now so they can cover more ground (as in, they can PvE far more then us).

Xaoc is terrible, but they do take keeps against no one while running in 50 people zergs :p