Guild Wars 2

Tarnished Coast apparently was able to drop a superior trebuchet in a location that is Seige locked. They then proceeded to build it(in the seige locked zone) and fire upon the tower+bring the wall down. We were unable to kill the treb with our counter, due to the citadel invulnerability.

You can see the Seige locked buff upon the player manning the treb i clicked on, as well as the invulnerability.

Anet, may you please fix this exploit? Thank you for reading and possibly fixing this !!

Hmm I have seen this and I thought only the players stayed invulnerable while the siege itself is vulnerable as normal

yep I was there in the tower, tc was doing this all night, ironically an anet person (wont say who but I know which) was with them the whole time and their zerg was too, basically everyone was in on it, and they still kept doing it. We managed to take down their siege a couple times, but they had found a certain safe spot where we could not counter it. I also mailed GM proheals about this awhile ago, but he hasnt replied, oh well guess he caught all the cheaters and hackers and mission accomplished or something.

tc doing it again right now same place

It’s not hard…You can drop siege into the locked part of maps from the outside of the locked zone by being on the edges. There used to be a great many more of these places actually. The Borderlands & EBG were rushed from production & not properly vetted.
Think EoTM being in the air…It’s that way for a reason.
Duct Tape design to compensate for failed architecture imo.
Cheers

third post about TC exploiting like this in a few weeks. They must be getting rekt.

Hamster.4861:

third post about TC exploiting like this in a few weeks. They must be getting rekt.

to be fair Ive seen all 3 servers in my tier doing this in that area, tc just took it to the extreme, they were doing it with their zerg there all night even with an anet person standing right there lol, and again tonight. I personally dont build siege in that kind of area because I dont know if its legal or not and I would rather not risk my account hence why I tried to ask GM proheals, but unfortunately he never replied.

Ok i get that it might be a problem, but seriously, oyu are camping their northern towers so hard they cant even use Siegerazer and thus are forced to build trebs in citadel to reflip their towers?

Hule.8794:

Ok i get that it might be a problem, but seriously, oyu are camping their northern towers so hard they cant even use Siegerazer and thus are forced to build trebs in citadel to reflip their towers?

we were trying to attack their garrison, is that not allowed anymore? When map blobs and siege all over the place is what your facing its common to take a north tower before hitting garri.

Brisingr.6127:

Tarnished Coast apparently was able to drop a superior trebuchet in a location that is Seige locked. They then proceeded to build it(in the seige locked zone) and fire upon the tower+bring the wall down. We were unable to kill the treb with our counter, due to the citadel invulnerability.

You can see the Seige locked buff upon the player manning the treb i clicked on, as well as the invulnerability.

Anet, may you please fix this exploit? Thank you for reading and possibly fixing this !!

Wait a sec… there’s a guild called [Ipea]? Why isn’t that the title of this thread?!?

X T D.6458:

we were trying to attack their garrison, is that not allowed anymore? When map blobs and siege all over the place is what your facing its common to take a north tower before hitting garri.

No its fine, but how can those trebs prevent you attack of their garison?
Trebs placed there are more like defensive trebs, they cant save bay or hills or gari. So yes while I understand that might be exploit, its hardy some gamebreaking issue.
Other thing would be invulnerable spot at hills/bay/gari which can be used against enemy attackers. But having defensive trebs at citadel which cannot be flipped? Not gamebreaking.

SFR uses this abuse as well. It’s how the captured a waypointed keep (by shooting true the citadel wall, wich already shouldnt be possible).

Hule.8794:

X T D.6458:

we were trying to attack their garrison, is that not allowed anymore? When map blobs and siege all over the place is what your facing its common to take a north tower before hitting garri.

No its fine, but how can those trebs prevent you attack of their garison?
Trebs placed there are more like defensive trebs, they cant save bay or hills or gari. So yes while I understand that might be exploit, its hardy some gamebreaking issue.
Other thing would be invulnerable spot at hills/bay/gari which can be used against enemy attackers. But having defensive trebs at citadel which cannot be flipped? Not gamebreaking.

I see your not to familiar with strategy, thats ok

If the server needs to have siege there they are getting blobbed. Why is this a problem then?

Hule.8794:

X T D.6458:

we were trying to attack their garrison, is that not allowed anymore? When map blobs and siege all over the place is what your facing its common to take a north tower before hitting garri.

No its fine, but how can those trebs prevent you attack of their garison?
Trebs placed there are more like defensive trebs, they cant save bay or hills or gari. So yes while I understand that might be exploit, its hardy some gamebreaking issue.
Other thing would be invulnerable spot at hills/bay/gari which can be used against enemy attackers. But having defensive trebs at citadel which cannot be flipped? Not gamebreaking.

Exploit is an exploit, gamebreaking or not, it remains to be an exploit. The north towers are quite nice to put trebs up and hit garrison with it.

It is breaking the game obviously, because if you take enemy garrison they can treb it back permanently with almost 0 risk – you need counter treb to destroy that one, but how can you counter treb it before your own treb goes down.

I reported this some months ago and nothing has changed about the issue.

I’m not sure about this certain spot, but I think this occurs when you stand at place where you can’t drop siege, but aim the siege to be placed at a valid spot and have an obstacle between you and the spot. That way while the siege is flying to the spot it acts as a projectile and hits the obstacle, resulting in siege build site. Then you just build it and voila – you can use siege at spot where you can’t normally put it down. I can try to make a video of it if I won’t forget about it after work.

It’s not really an exploit. There’s many, many places on the BLs, EB and EotM (but who cares about EotM) where seige can be placed in “locked zones”. All you have to do is stand outside the zone, where seige can be placed, and throw the seige back into the locked zone. There’s only a few places where this is actually useful because the range of seige throwing is only 1200, and this place in Citadel being one of them.

The seige itself is not invulnerable, and this treb can be cleared in a number of ways, some with counter seige (balli, counter treb, etc) and some with large aoe skills (meteor shower, necro ds4, etc). I’m not going to tell you how because if you can’t figure it out you deserve to be hit by it.

I don’t see it as an exploit because Anet could have simply just not allowed seige sites in these areas, like they do in some places where there is no LoS. If you go to the edge of the map and try to throw an AC up the cliff, it won’t let you, citing LoS even though it is in sight. They could have done that in Cit, but didn’t.

It’s a clever treb, placed in a clever position, but it has counters and can be taken out pretty easily. If it’s an exploit than things like ramming watergate on green EB keep, pocket cata on jerris or veloka, cliff cata on SW garri, etc are too.

But personally I see those things, as well as this, as clever use of game mechanics. I’ll ask Proheals what he thinks next time I see him online.

Logic.2358:

It’s not really an exploit. There’s many, many places on the BLs, EB and EotM (but who cares about EotM) where seige can be placed in “locked zones”. All you have to do is stand outside the zone, where seige can be placed, and throw the seige back into the locked zone. There’s only a few places where this is actually useful because the range of seige throwing is only 1200, and this place in Citadel being one of them.

The seige itself is not invulnerable, and this treb can be cleared in a number of ways, some with counter seige (balli, counter treb, etc) and some with large aoe skills (meteor shower, necro ds4, etc). I’m not going to tell you how because if you can’t figure it out you deserve to be hit by it.

I don’t see it as an exploit because Anet could have simply just not allowed seige sites in these areas, like they do in some places where there is no LoS. If you go to the edge of the map and try to throw an AC up the cliff, it won’t let you, citing LoS even though it is in sight. They could have done that in Cit, but didn’t.

It’s a clever treb, placed in a clever position, but it has counters and can be taken out pretty easily. If it’s an exploit than things like ramming watergate on green EB keep, pocket cata on jerris or veloka, cliff cata on SW garri, etc are too.

But personally I see those things, as well as this, as clever use of game mechanics. I’ll ask Proheals what he thinks next time I see him online.

How is this not an exploit? The no siege zone was intentionally expanded to stop siege from being placed there and the only way to place it is to go to certain spots and chuck it in. As for counters, there aren’t really that many. The siege there can be placed into areas that anything besides ele meteor storm won’t hit and people up there will be able to pew pew you to their hearts content because of invuln.

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Logic.2358:

It’s not really an exploit. There’s many, many places on the BLs, EB and EotM (but who cares about EotM) where seige can be placed in “locked zones”. All you have to do is stand outside the zone, where seige can be placed, and throw the seige back into the locked zone. There’s only a few places where this is actually useful because the range of seige throwing is only 1200, and this place in Citadel being one of them.

The seige itself is not invulnerable, and this treb can be cleared in a number of ways, some with counter seige (balli, counter treb, etc) and some with large aoe skills (meteor shower, necro ds4, etc). I’m not going to tell you how because if you can’t figure it out you deserve to be hit by it.

I don’t see it as an exploit because Anet could have simply just not allowed seige sites in these areas, like they do in some places where there is no LoS. If you go to the edge of the map and try to throw an AC up the cliff, it won’t let you, citing LoS even though it is in sight. They could have done that in Cit, but didn’t.

It’s a clever treb, placed in a clever position, but it has counters and can be taken out pretty easily. If it’s an exploit than things like ramming watergate on green EB keep, pocket cata on jerris or veloka, cliff cata on SW garri, etc are too.

But personally I see those things, as well as this, as clever use of game mechanics. I’ll ask Proheals what he thinks next time I see him online.

How is this not an exploit? The no siege zone was intentionally expanded to stop siege from being placed there and the only way to place it is to go to certain spots and chuck it in. As for counters, there aren’t really that many. The siege there can be placed into areas that anything besides ele meteor storm won’t hit and people up there will be able to pew pew you to their hearts content because of invuln.

To me, it seems like something that the game shouldn’t allow to happen. However, I wouldn’t label it an exploit. The game does allow you to throw siege from a non-locked area to wherever you can reach. Thus, they aren’t utilizing some weird bug or glitch in order to cause this to happen. As far as the game is concerned, it seems to conform to the rules.

It reminds me of the case where people run into the small little invuln corners of the walls by NW tower or SW camp. It’s not an “exploit” since the game has designated those sections as invulnerable zones, but it doesn’t seem to violate common sense.

At any rate, they’ll hopefully clean up those zones and put some measure in place so that siege can’t exist in a siege-locked area. However, with the work they’ve been doing on the new borderlands, I doubt we’ll see any real change to the old borderlands anytime soon.

Just tossing this out there but TC, or any server for that matter didn’t do anything. Players did.

As well, claiming they had an Anet employee participating in it seems like an odd claim to make when you offer no proof of it.

Really this post was started by some guy kittening about right and wrong, and he is in a guild called ‘Gotta Love Them’ [TITS], Anet sort it kittening out,

Logic.2358:

It’s not really an exploit. There’s many, many places on the BLs, EB and EotM (but who cares about EotM) where seige can be placed in “locked zones”. All you have to do is stand outside the zone, where seige can be placed, and throw the seige back into the locked zone. There’s only a few places where this is actually useful because the range of seige throwing is only 1200, and this place in Citadel being one of them.

The seige itself is not invulnerable, and this treb can be cleared in a number of ways, some with counter seige (balli, counter treb, etc) and some with large aoe skills (meteor shower, necro ds4, etc). I’m not going to tell you how because if you can’t figure it out you deserve to be hit by it.

I don’t see it as an exploit because Anet could have simply just not allowed seige sites in these areas, like they do in some places where there is no LoS. If you go to the edge of the map and try to throw an AC up the cliff, it won’t let you, citing LoS even though it is in sight. They could have done that in Cit, but didn’t.

It’s a clever treb, placed in a clever position, but it has counters and can be taken out pretty easily. If it’s an exploit than things like ramming watergate on green EB keep, pocket cata on jerris or veloka, cliff cata on SW garri, etc are too.

But personally I see those things, as well as this, as clever use of game mechanics. I’ll ask Proheals what he thinks next time I see him online.

People throw siege on a spot that clearly is on a spot where the block siege deployment buff is active and you say that is not an exploit? Wow the Logic in this is strong.

Next time i see someone using flyhack ill think ooh its not an exploit, just someone with a jetpack…

The problem is that the ‘siege disabled zone’ works like some kind of buff/debuff that only affects the player and not the siege site itself.