Guild Wars 2

It has been a few months since server linking has started and I think that we have given it enough time to actually draw an conclusion about it. I have played in all for tiers of the new system. What I have noticed is that nowadays omniblobs is the way to go, roaming is a dying art, taking your 20 or so guildies into wvw is quiet hard due to queues and once they all get in just to get run over by map queue zerg. Lets face it wvw now is just who has the bigger zerg .

We can all feel it, this is so wrong. When this game started Anet Said you can choose the way you want to play. In the old system people had choice to stay on their server or move to a more appealing one that fit their playstyle. Many of us stayed on our server cause of Server Pride. We wanted to build it up, we enjoyed the friends we made, the community we built, giving all we got enough when we were outnumbered and what we did in wvw mattered.
New system- friends and people we know have stopped playing, communities are dying, there is no making your server better. All the smaller servers are just numbers and placed where ever Anet decides. We just fill a gap and we don’t matter. While host servers enjoy a rank , smaller server just get tossed around like a hot potato. This is why most people are leaving. At the end of the linking it does no matter how much we do or how much effort we put it… it means nothing.
With the Old System every one had the choice where they wanted to play, roamers, smaller guilds, skilled guild groups and the blob zergers unlike the new system where join the blob or die.

Communities we have built over the past 4 years means nothing according to the new system which is disrespect to all the players who sweat blood and tears for their server.
We all know this but most servers start tanking 3 weeks before the new link in order to obtain a good pairing or avoid the dreaded no linking.
Well we all see what is wrong with linking… there is no consistency, communities are dying, players are leaving, and lets face it wvw is not as much fun anymore.

I am asking all those who see this post if they would like their server back, solo server fighting against other solo server, do you want to regain your communities, do you want to be able to roam without getting blob,do you want to feel what you do in wvw matters, do you want to stop losing friend cause this game mode has become boring, do you want the choice back?

Post your comments about having your server back.

server pride in 2016 lul

Server linking is the biggest mistake since introduction of EOTM.

Pls remove.

It’s so sad that the huge majority of the comments you see in here now are about removing the linking even though the apparent poll asked for it. But of course the poll was in favor since MOST people that play gw2 are on the top 4 tiers… that in itself skewed the results of the poll. Those of us in the lower tiers that really liked how we played had no chance.

We have also seen our community slowly broken down into either roaming guild groups or simply groups that come in for missions and leave. Most hosts are gracious and fun to run with but it is THEIR server, not ours. A large number of the people I know personally don’t like the big zergs and don’t run in them. I would rather run with a few people and run havoc on camps and towers and battle other roamers than be a “borg” drone.

ANet will continue to see these posts; will continue to ignore them because they know better; and will continue to see people like us play less. As I’ve said in other posts, I’ve seen so many of my friends stop playing completely. The other leader of my guild and her partner are two of them. My guild went from a nice roaming group of about 10 on average, to a group of 1-3 on a good day in WvW. I know at least 6 other people personally that stopped playing because of the linking…. and that’s just people that I know.

One positive thing financially has come out of this for me though.. I spend a LOT less money on gems than I used to since my commitment to WvW and even to this game has dropped off significantly.

I truly don’t understand why ANet thinks that it’s ok to toss people around from server to server and really think that they love it… because I believe most of us don’t. The ones that do (for the most part) already had moved to higher tier servers… :P

You have server pride within a name and not the physical individuals of the community. You place too much concentration on the actual name and not whom you’re playing with. A server is nothing more than a house and while it’s good to have pride in the upkeep of your house you should have more pride in your family and friends.

How does server-links stop you from playing with your community versus the other system? If you do not like mass numbers than you can still move to a lower tier to avoid the blobs. How does your group size reflect your server pride. WvW isn’t who has the biggest blob it’s who has the most coverage. This has never changed whether it’s the “old” system or the “new”.

I do not like Server-links. But I do not wish to go back to the old.

Lmao more pew pew less QQ. It was changed due to population the fact you rather have tiers where no one is on is a joke

Before the server linking WVW was a much more enjoyable place, at least it was for me. The quiet mornings of opening a tower and calling out for someone to come help and seeing a friendly face is greatly missed. It was also something that I chose since I was given the option of switching to a different server if I wanted to be with more people. Now I have no chose which I find unfair. If I wanted to play this way I would have switched but I didn’t want to. Please let me go back home.

just cheking, <-potencius

I’d rather not further the death of WvW, the server linking got voted in because on the bottom tier there would be almost nobody for the entire day, even prime time. I recall one time at 7PM EST I took a single omega golem and broke down the walls of Overlook keep in EBG by myself and got to lord, called for friends to come and nobody came, even tho it was a huge objective without anyone defending.
The server linking was in response to a portion of their game dying, and the community seemed to agree, as it got voted in.

I agree with you 100% Leona! I miss so many people. We used to have so much fun together in FC and respected each other. I would love to just be FC again. I have not played WvW as much since the change. I know many of others who also are disenchanted with WvW. We want to have fun. Not just be plowed over by a big zerg. Where is the fun in that? Miss all you FC ppls! Foxi out!

Arenanet wiped server pride in the following 3 steps..

Step 1: they replaced the old lions arch for some weird looking waterpark without waterslides. (everyone loved to stand afk in front of the bank)

Step 2: They introduced the mega servers. (randomised peeps all over the place)

Step 3: they merged servers. (rollplayers suddenly pop up in Wvw causing huge Q’s, veterans start to play different games)

There is no such thing as server pride in guildwars2. Those who beleave that Im wrong are tripping.

ookay, i see your point , the bad thing about server linking is when they link abig server with a small one …. at the end of the linking the smallest server ends up loosing people who merge into the bigger one , so there is no benefit for it.
about blob and big zerg thing, that only happens with small servers …in my expirience in big servers like yaks bend u can either roam or zerg, u have guilds for both and wvw comunity is pretty big, but it depends a lot on the time and hour u are logged…. ( srry if bad spelling me spanish)

I miss the old days too, right now it all just blobs of who can spam one faster with the lag and which pugs have the better armor/ group comp, no skill needed. I would prefer they have a new poll on linking and see if people still want it. I think some wanted to give it a try but I would say most now would say they rather not have it. If they want to merge T7 & T8 servers because they are so unpopulated, I can agree with that. Otherwise just let servers be on their own, if people want to move for a change of things they will, and if you have issue with people getting stuck in bad matchups all the time switch to the one up and one down system.

LionPride.1704:

Lets face it wvw now is just who has the bigger zerg.

In 2013, a former guild leader of mine posted on this very forum the very same sentiment in a not-so-diplomatic way. The post was removed for typing in all caps.

My point is WvW in general isn’t just now about who has the bigger zerg. It has always been about who has the bigger zerg.

I really don’t see what this has to do with server pride.

I enjoy WvW a lot more since linking and started playing again after being away for half a year because of them and the old BLs. Maps are a lot more populated now, more tags running around, more new people finding their way to the gamemode. Before the linking many players on small servers never got into WvW, just because their server never had a tag. The last couple of months have been a ton of fun for me (I enjoy both small group and large scale WvW).

Of course that isn’t the case for everybody and I am sorry for the people of very small servers that actually wanted to have a low population density. It is true that with the linking this problem cannot really be solved for the very small servers. What you can do with your group, is to change from EU to NA or NA to EU, so you will play at times where a lot less people are on.
Another idea that came up a while ago was to make a roaming tier with 3 new servers (servers that new players typicly should be discouraged to chose) that are independent of the current system and have a much lower limit of players on the maps. But since it is a minority that wants low population maps, I think Arenanet would only implement that, a) if there are enough players that are interested in this and b) if they are willing to finance the development costs of that.
Both ideas don’t let you keep your server identity unfortunately..

I wholeheartedly agree with LionPride. I too have seen our server and other low population servers lose what community they had. Most people who stayed on a low pop server did so for a reason. Under the old system if we were dissatisfied we could have easily moved to a higher pop server. It may not be as much about server pride as it is play style, and a community of like minded players along with pride thrown in for good measure. Today I could move to a higher pop server if playing with blobs was what I want but I choose to stay with a low pop server.

That being said much of what I liked about the low pop servers and fighting in wvw has been destroyed by server linking. We are now at the mercy of the host server we are linked with. If the host server has a similar play style then its not too bad but if they are different then we are stuck with the straw we drew for two months of no fun for us.

I can’t say this any better than LionPride did so I will quote here

“All the smaller servers are just numbers and placed where ever Anet decides. We just fill a gap and we don’t matter. While host servers enjoy a rank , smaller server just get tossed around like a hot potato”.

I’m quite sure the high pop servers would see this a bit differently if they experience what we do with no choice in the matter and were forced to play in a different style for a server they do not belong to for the duration of the link. Then only to be thrown in with another server you do not belong to and have to fight for them.

I totally agree with this. I’m from Ferguson Crossing, and we lost our battle ground. To explain how sad this is.. isn’t even possible. I had the most fun in this game by fighting tooth and nail to win at our battle ground, because our community was small and we all knew each other it was a wonderful part of the game. We had great pride in our commanders and people all played their part.

Now we are thrown in with another server where no one talks much, there isn’t much in the way of laughter or joking around. They all just run and which ever zerg has the bigger numbers wins. But the worst part is, that you don’t feel like you belong, and you don’t because next week you might be paired with another group that you were just fighting against. It give us no sense of loyalty or pride to fight for a battleground.

We had fun as our community was small and we are friends. To win a keep took effort and even had to be a bit sneaky about things, careful with what we did with our supply and strategic about what we let go and what we attacked. And you felt really accomplished when you took a keep, because we did it together for our server.

To share with a bigger team holds not pride or drive to win. Because you are only with them until the points/rankings change. How does that even make sense? I’m pretty sure the bigger servers find us an annoyance too. A small little server taking up their wvw spaces.

Please Anet! Give us back our battle grounds. PLEASE. We loved it just the way it was.

I’m with this guy:

davidiven.9408:

server pride in 2016 lul

I have absolutely 0 issues with changing allies/enemies about times to time. I like to have contact with different people. I like to have an populated WvW enviroment oposed to the deserted borderlands (Empty, not DBL) we had before.
You people just seen to hate to be in contact with players from other communities and use the excuse of server pride to hide behind it…

Support this topic.
I like many players on a server but i do enjoy running with friends and my guild in WvW.
When running into a mega zerg, there is no way to fight but get killed in ranged skills / magic. But above all, i feel bad being tossed from 1 server to another after we/I have input so many effort into a server without title / reward.

i agree with you leona, we lost so many player’s. we want our fc back!

I disagree with most of your post. Linking just needs better implementation to work properly. WvW is designed for large fights with a large amount of players, I am getting annoyed with people complaining about having to deal with zergs….THAT IS WVW…there can literally be hundreds of people fighting over one objective at a time. If you don’t like it don’t do it.

If you cant do anything in wvw with 20 guildies, you are doing something very wrong. I am not a dedicated roamer, but I do a lot of solo, small op stuff when I am not in a zerg and I am on a tier 1 server, so please don’t give me that kitten about it being dead or not possible. I have seen 2 man groups do amazing things.

Sometimes you just need to play smarter.

However I do agree that server community is important and hard to maintain with linkings. Then again I also remember all the posts about lower tiers being dead and having nobody on the maps. Linking can always be improved and implemented better, that might ease the situation, but my advice is to adapt.

The only reason why it was easier to roam before was because WvW was dead for most of the day.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Arenanet wiped server pride in the following 3 steps..

Step 1: they replaced the old lions arch for some weird looking waterpark without waterslides. (everyone loved to stand afk in front of the bank)

Step 2: They introduced the mega servers. (randomised peeps all over the place)

Step 3: they merged servers. (rollplayers suddenly pop up in Wvw causing huge Q’s, veterans start to play different games)

There is no such thing as server pride in guildwars2. Those who beleave that Im wrong are tripping.

EVEN THE NPCS KNOW IT!

RodOfDeath.5247:

EVEN THE NPCS KNOW IT!

NPCs know many things, such as “PvE’er have no interest in WvW” or “WvW is dying/people are quitting”.

Jeknar.6184:

RodOfDeath.5247:

EVEN THE NPCS KNOW IT!

NPCs know many things, such as “PvE’er have no interest in WvW” or “WvW is dying/people are quitting”.

Ok, that one was good lol

Jeknar.6184:

I’m with this guy:

davidiven.9408:

server pride in 2016 lul

I have absolutely 0 issues with changing allies/enemies about times to time. I like to have contact with different people. I like to have an populated WvW enviroment oposed to the deserted borderlands (Empty, not DBL) we had before.
You people just seen to hate to be in contact with players from other communities and use the excuse of server pride to hide behind it…

Oh this is so wrong. I love being in contact with other people. It’s not about that at all.. Many people here are mistaking the term “server pride” for the actual server. Yes I’m from Borlis Pass… yes I’ve been there forever… but it’s the community that I loved that has been affected. To me in this case ‘server home’=community.

It doesn’t mean I don’t like meeting other people. Most of the people we’ve been linked with have been great to meet and run with. But it’s not OUR home. Some people ( me included ) have said that even simply assimilating us into a server would be better than moving us around like drones… and it definitely would be.

Having a place to call OUR server would once again let us have “our” fight and even if we had to adjust to the awful blob life it would at least be on a server that wouldn’t change, (unless a person moved of course – willingly).

I could move on my own to a host server but then I would leave all my peeps behind that prefer to stay together, (which I do as well). I spent 4 years building relationships and we have some real nice solid ones. That’s what I call community, hence server pride. Not just the name of the server.

I agree 100%. I used to love playing WvW but since the paring i have not played.

Meh if the lower tiers stayed somewhat populated I wouldn’t have minded the old system but I love my fights and now this ensures I get them no matter when I log on.

I mean seriously me, rem, and the other fellas would try running into legendary guards and see how long we could last cause there was no fights like nobody. Has to wait for the next match up.

I dunno I only wvw for fights and roaming with snky. Roaming ain’t dead for me. I still solo cap towers and what not keeps emergency wp are too op however. Even at the higher salt filled tiers I fought some pretty good roamers. QQ for example (too bad they get all salty at you when you beat em)

Also yea I do see your point it kind of sucks to just be another cog in the machine in the bigger picture. And I think it’s harder for a linked server to find who’s actually on and build a community around it.

LionPride.1704:

It has been a few months since server linking has started and I think that we have given it enough time to actually draw an conclusion about it. I have played in all for tiers of the new system. What I have noticed is that nowadays omniblobs is the way to go, roaming is a dying art, taking your 20 or so guildies into wvw is quiet hard due to queues and once they all get in just to get run over by map queue zerg. Lets face it wvw now is just who has the bigger zerg .

We can all feel it, this is so wrong. When this game started Anet Said you can choose the way you want to play. In the old system people had choice to stay on their server or move to a more appealing one that fit their playstyle. Many of us stayed on our server cause of Server Pride. We wanted to build it up, we enjoyed the friends we made, the community we built, giving all we got enough when we were outnumbered and what we did in wvw mattered.
New system- friends and people we know have stopped playing, communities are dying, there is no making your server better. All the smaller servers are just numbers and placed where ever Anet decides. We just fill a gap and we don’t matter. While host servers enjoy a rank , smaller server just get tossed around like a hot potato. This is why most people are leaving. At the end of the linking it does no matter how much we do or how much effort we put it… it means nothing.
With the Old System every one had the choice where they wanted to play, roamers, smaller guilds, skilled guild groups and the blob zergers unlike the new system where join the blob or die.

Communities we have built over the past 4 years means nothing according to the new system which is disrespect to all the players who sweat blood and tears for their server.
We all know this but most servers start tanking 3 weeks before the new link in order to obtain a good pairing or avoid the dreaded no linking.
Well we all see what is wrong with linking… there is no consistency, communities are dying, players are leaving, and lets face it wvw is not as much fun anymore.

I am asking all those who see this post if they would like their server back, solo server fighting against other solo server, do you want to regain your communities, do you want to be able to roam without getting blob,do you want to feel what you do in wvw matters, do you want to stop losing friend cause this game mode has become boring, do you want the choice back?

Post your comments about having your server back.

A dev stated that wvw population has increased since linking. Linking was voted in by 80% majority to be added as a permanent feature… The devs are not getting rid of linking so you’ll just have to accept it or not.

Server pride is useless, the community behind a server is what matters. On dead t7 servers there are no people so no community either. So it is just a waste of server resources for anet to keep dead servers alive.

After reading all this. I think most of the people against this topic of bringing back the servers never had an awesome community in wvw, or their servers were REALLY dead. So I can see why they are happy with it. But there are alot of people higher up that were just fine. And for me personally its a horrible loss.

But thinking on it… why do we have to be tossed around between the big servers? I think it would give us more pride if it was a set pairing… for good. That way you can get to know who ever your are paired with. It would have been better. Not great. But perhaps have the battle grounds named something else. So neither have their server names on it? Neutral and shared. But I bet you the higher tiers would HATE to loose their battle ground names?

I have no problem being paired. But it should have been done so that we feel like we got something to fight for. Even if they merged lower tiers together permanently. We’re not elite and don’t want to mingle. We just want something that feels like ours permanently and we need to fight for it.

I’d love for roaming to come back please. Tired of finding a nice 1v1 or 1v2 only to get rolled by another 5+ so they can get their tags in and reward track exp.

There’s no more skill needed!

I don’t play much WvW anymore if any at all to be honest. Mostly because of this stupid server linking that occurred. I don’t have much to say on the subject, but I personally don’t like it and I wish I wouldn’t have blown off the poll that voted it in haha. Anyways most of the people that used to be into WvW aren’t online anymore, and sure maybe new people have come around, but I miss the old people that used to really enjoy WvW for what it was. You could zerg, you could roam, you could capture camps all day, you could escort yaks, and it just seems like its not the same anymore. Anyways thats my 2 cents on it. I miss the old FC where we had some server pride.

Caredelth.1324:

You could zerg, you could roam, you could capture camps all day, you could escort yaks, and it just seems like its not the same anymore.

I’m pretty sure you still can do all of that…

The OP has perfectly expressed my feelings. I play with one partner in WvW. We dont’ like to run with zergs and we don’t like to be zerg’d. We are very restricted in that sense. The most we can do in WvW now is sneak around past the blobs and take camps, kill sentries, take monuments.

At first it was amusing when we see a blob heading straight for us. A blob gunning for 2 random players. Now, it’s not so funny. It’s not so fun. Even the “blobbers” can’t be having fun zerg’g on 2 individuals. How is that fun?

OP is right. I haven’t seen the name of my server since the linking began. I’ve been on a guest server ever since and tossed around at the whim and will of Anet with no consideration for quality of life for the player on that server.

But, I never voted in their polls. That’s my fault. Maybe I should have. Maybe I will from now on.

I don’t play much WvW anymore either. It used to be a whole lot of fun! I used to love reset night! Our server commanders / guild leaders would strategically plan what guilds were going where to try to maximize our points. We were small but we planned and strategically put commanders and people in place. However, we don’t have to use any strategy anymore. I am on a small server that gets tossed around. Half of the time, I forget who I am linked with. There have been a few nice people on host server, but those are usually the exception. I really don’t think it is fun to have to run in a blob to take anything. The lag I get is horrible! And truthfully it doesn’t really matter if I log in and fight or help out, it does nothing for MY server.
I miss FC being an unlinked server. We had fun!
I guess I don’t understand why people complained about servers being dead before. Did they not understand that they could transfer to more active one if they wanted that?

I don’t see what peoples deal is honestly. The linking has done only good things for this game.. Most servers are well balanced population wise besides tier 4, which is mostly because a lot of players in T4 seem to be inconsistent about when they’re playing. It seems like a lot of them are primarily PvE players that take their guilds in to WvW on and off.

Tier 1 to Tier 3 are thriving with this system in my opinion. WvW is active at just about all times on most of those servers.

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around on a host server as opposed to doing something for ‘your’ home server.

Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around as opposed to the host server of the period…

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Totally agree XTD!

X T D.6458:

Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around as opposed to the host server of the period…

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Linking the bottom tiers and not linking the higher tiers creates a drastic imbalance. For 1 there is still your server Blackgate that has the entire game outnumbered to the point where no server can stand up against you. Secondly, the tiers are not locked nor is player movement so it would do harm to the game if they simply linked based off tier considering how rapid we are to move through the tiers once everyone is balanced.

Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around on a host server as opposed to doing something for ‘your’ home server.

I get it, but if you don’t want to be on a guest server, then transfer to a host server. I’ve transferred more times that I care to think about, but only because I wanted to go where the fights were or I was going where friends were. I don’t have any server loyalty, I have loyalty to the guilds that I am in. That is really the best way to be because anet can make a server go at the snap of their fingers, I don’t suspect that they would ever do the same to a guild unless they had real good reason lol.

Balthazzarr.1349:

Totally agree XTD!

Thanks, there is a bright side though to being on a linked server. You dont have to worry about scores, or trying to take care of your server, dont have to worry about glicko, ratings, rising, falling etc. Plus there is a potential every 2 months for a new partner and new matchup to keep things fresh.

X T D.6458:

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Agreed…the lower tier servers (at least in NA) were too quiet before the links, so I think it’s fair to say that it is too late to go back to the way it was before. However, most that were still playing on lower tier servers enjoyed the close-knit communities and small group roaming, so linking a few of them together would have kept that small server flavor but also bumped up population enough to keep them active and enjoyable.

Sylvyn.4750:

X T D.6458:

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Agreed…the lower tier servers (at least in NA) were too quiet before the links, so I think it’s fair to say that it is too late to go back to the way it was before. However, most that were still playing on lower tier servers enjoyed the close-knit communities and small group roaming, so linking a few of them together would have kept that small server flavor but also bumped up population enough to keep them active and enjoyable.

Definately, not everyone wants to fight blobs constantly its totally understandable.

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Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around as opposed to the host server of the period…

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Linking the bottom tiers and not linking the higher tiers creates a drastic imbalance. For 1 there is still your server Blackgate that has the entire game outnumbered to the point where no server can stand up against you. Secondly, the tiers are not locked nor is player movement so it would do harm to the game if they simply linked based off tier considering how rapid we are to move through the tiers once everyone is balanced.

Linking is actually whats making it difficult for you to compete, the sooner you realize that…

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MaLeVoLenT.8129:

X T D.6458:

Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around as opposed to the host server of the period…

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Linking the bottom tiers and not linking the higher tiers creates a drastic imbalance. For 1 there is still your server Blackgate that has the entire game outnumbered to the point where no server can stand up against you. Secondly, the tiers are not locked nor is player movement so it would do harm to the game if they simply linked based off tier considering how rapid we are to move through the tiers once everyone is balanced.

Linking is actually whats making it difficult for you to compete, the sooner you realize that…

What? how?

XTR.9604:

Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around on a host server as opposed to doing something for ‘your’ home server.

I get it, but if you don’t want to be on a guest server, then transfer to a host server. I’ve transferred more times that I care to think about, but only because I wanted to go where the fights were or I was going where friends were. I don’t have any server loyalty, I have loyalty to the guilds that I am in. That is really the best way to be because anet can make a server go at the snap of their fingers, I don’t suspect that they would ever do the same to a guild unless they had real good reason lol.

oh hey it’s all good that’s the way you like to play… and have friends that go wherever you go. Yes I could switch servers and leave behind the other 2 guilds of people that I am in that I love to run with… but no.. that wouldn’t work for me. I’m glad it works for you.

The title of this thread should have been Community Pride, that would make more sense because that’s what people are really talking about. It’s hard to have a community establish a way of doing things when you continue to bounce from host to host. Most of you folks don’t mind that and that’s great seriously… but many of us don’t and we would love it to be a little different.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

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MaLeVoLenT.8129:

X T D.6458:

Balthazzarr.1349:

XTR.9604:

And as far as “Server Pride” goes, I’m sorry to say but that isn’t a real thing, it is just something to complain about. Have guild pride, its guild wars, not server wars.

As noted in a previous post of mine above, I kind of agree it’s not about the ‘server’… but it IS about the community, if you have one. For me it’s not “something to complain about”, but really is sadly enough a reality that we can’t do anything about now.

Shoot me for spitting into the wind I guess but I always hold out a little hope that something will change. Even, as I said above, permanently put us on ONE server. We’ll deal with the zergs etc.. it’s not that hard to roam a lot of the time depending on the time-slot. But it makes it much less of a dedication when you’re just doing it for the sake of running around as opposed to the host server of the period…

Honestly I dont know why they didnt just link the lower tier servers together. That would have made more sense than to add more population to higher tiers which then produces the eventual roller coaster type of effect where there is incentive for bandwagoning that causes a server to rise then fall when it’s link is taken away.

Linking the bottom tiers and not linking the higher tiers creates a drastic imbalance. For 1 there is still your server Blackgate that has the entire game outnumbered to the point where no server can stand up against you. Secondly, the tiers are not locked nor is player movement so it would do harm to the game if they simply linked based off tier considering how rapid we are to move through the tiers once everyone is balanced.

Linking is actually whats making it difficult for you to compete, the sooner you realize that…

What? how?

A server will only hold its link for so long because otherwise it creates an unbalanced matchup. Getting a link initiates the roller coaster effect, people transfer to your LINK rather then your actual host server because it is much cheaper. You can start winning all you want, it doesnt matter, eventually you will lose your link and not be able to compete because you were relying on the population that joined the linked server that was now taken away from you.

BG for example lost like half the matchups in the last linking, I think we lost like 3 of the last 4 weeks but look at the current scores and glicko, it hasnt effected us only the servers we were up against.

My point is stop relying on links, they are temporary short term boosts that can have drastic and negative long term effects. If you want a stable successful server, focus on growing your native population the way BG has over the years.

Linking would be better used for lower tiers to boost their populations, for higher tiers it is a double edged sword.

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