Guild Wars 2

Im in tier 7 server (Kaineng). I want to transfer to more active tiers. I was looking at Dragonbrand. How is it? I like the occasional roaming but i like zerging as well. I like it when there is a tag commanding in Teamspeak.

Syiic.3724:

Im in tier 7 server (Kaineng). I want to transfer to more active tiers. I was looking at Dragonbrand. How is it? I like the occasional roaming but i like zerging as well. I like it when there is a tag commanding in Teamspeak.

Db is blobby they stay inside tower most of time and the only time they come out to fight is when they outnumber you but they also have quite a bit roamers. Darkhaven has few good guilds , they fight, not sure if any of those two servers have commanders on ts or not Dh has also been blobbing since last couple of days. Anvil Rock is where I am from we have roamers, we blob and we have couple of good guild and our commanders do get on ts.

Sounds like DB is getting a bandwagon again.

Chaba.5410:

Sounds like DB is getting a bandwagon again.

Yeah lol AR and DH didn’t blob as much during the start of this week but we had to switch our playstyle because DB blobs are massive.

How about tier 3?

You should mention when you play – NA prime?

ya NA prime sorry about that.

Not sure about tier 3 never played in any t3 servers but I have heard some good things about t3 commanders get on ts and they have a lot of good guilds on t3 server. If you choose to transfer to Anvil Rock just message me in game my guild will love to have you.

Crime is correct in what he says. To clear up out status on TS: most commanders do not use TS, but often our NA prime commanders/SEA commanders do use TS and run the zergs like a t2/3 server would (ie more like a large guild group).

Weakness of Dh being we sometimes don’t have coms in OCX/EU, though NA and SEA are reliable in that regard. Any more information you might need on Darkhaven, feel free to mail me in game or whisper me when I’m online (can’t be at the moment unfortunately).

Best of luck in your search.

Syiic.3724:

How about tier 3?

Problem with T3 is that GvGs have moved there. If you are not specifically into that, you will regret going there sooner or later, and that always happens sooner, rather then later.

I’d go T4. SoS in T2 is still open, but its kinda meh … YB makes it a pretty bad place to be right now so I can’t really recommend that either as I am stuck on it myself and have no place left to go.

Tongku.5326:

Syiic.3724:

How about tier 3?

Problem with T3 is that GvGs have moved there. If you are not specifically into that, you will regret going there sooner or later, and that always happens sooner, rather then later.

I’m not into GvGs and am in T3; been fine. The GvGs cause a brief spike in queues for about an hour at most during prime time, which isn’t more than usual plus they usually don’t run on Fri-Sat which means the population rarely runs into conflict, except maybe on Sunday at worst. In any case, the effect is nearly negligible.

You can stop slandering those guilds as a blanket statement or commenting on matchups you aren’t in now, thanks. And that applies to the rest of the fearmongering that has happened as of late.

Personally I enjoy being on DB, only just transferred myself.

Not sure what people are going on about with this whole blob thing and no one fights nonsense, it’s the sorta stuff that happens on all servers…

“That 1 uplevel is hiding in a tower from me god that server is bad they all hide and never fight only blob” is nothing more than juicy tears

sephiroth.4217:

Personally I enjoy being on DB, only just transferred myself.

Not sure what people are going on about with this whole blob thing and no one fights nonsense, it’s the sorta stuff that happens on all servers…

“That 1 uplevel is hiding in a tower from me god that server is bad they all hide and never fight only blob” is nothing more than juicy tears

This is what Db apologists always say. Sorry, servers are not all the same, they’re not all equal. Yes, all blob, all hide, but some blob more, some hide more. Db blobs most. Db hides most. Db is the worst. Db is the least respectable. Db is truly a terrifyingly bad server, I would rather face any server in the game than Db.

I’m sorry, don’t want to turn this into a “bash Db” thread… I’m just saying you can’t reject criticisms with “oh all do it to some extent!”. All countries have corruption, therefore we’ll say the Soviet Union was no worse than other countries? That logic just doesn’t fly.

Chaba.5410:

Sounds like DB is getting a bandwagon again.

I’m looking forward to their next inevitable implosion.

Arius.7031:

sephiroth.4217:

Personally I enjoy being on DB, only just transferred myself.

Not sure what people are going on about with this whole blob thing and no one fights nonsense, it’s the sorta stuff that happens on all servers…

“That 1 uplevel is hiding in a tower from me god that server is bad they all hide and never fight only blob” is nothing more than juicy tears

This is what Db apologists always say. Sorry, servers are not all the same, they’re not all equal. Yes, all blob, all hide, but some blob more, some hide more. Db blobs most. Db hides most. Db is the worst. Db is the least respectable. Db is truly a terrifyingly bad server, I would rather face any server in the game than Db.

I’m sorry, don’t want to turn this into a “bash Db” thread… I’m just saying you can’t reject criticisms with “oh all do it to some extent!”. All countries have corruption, therefore we’ll say the Soviet Union was no worse than other countries? That logic just doesn’t fly.

Wait until next week when you get stuck with SF and DB. You better hope AR pulls off a massive win this week to pull their glicko back up or you are going to get stuck in the most boring match up of your life.

save me puck x.x

Funny thing is both of those servers are pretty hard carried by their night crews so DH actually has a shot to beat them since neither will be ticking at 600 all night, but I still can’t imagine being stuck in a worse match up. Prime time will be 2 blobs avoiding each other to PvD whatever they can sneak attack, and if you take 5 guys to hit a tower you will see about 20 people run in to hop on ac’s while they call their server blob to come take care of your 5 man group. RIP roaming and small scale fights.

Arius.7031:

sephiroth.4217:

Personally I enjoy being on DB, only just transferred myself.

Not sure what people are going on about with this whole blob thing and no one fights nonsense, it’s the sorta stuff that happens on all servers…

“That 1 uplevel is hiding in a tower from me god that server is bad they all hide and never fight only blob” is nothing more than juicy tears

This is what Db apologists always say. Sorry, servers are not all the same, they’re not all equal. Yes, all blob, all hide, but some blob more, some hide more. Db blobs most. Db hides most. Db is the worst. Db is the least respectable. Db is truly a terrifyingly bad server, I would rather face any server in the game than Db.

I’m sorry, don’t want to turn this into a “bash Db” thread… I’m just saying you can’t reject criticisms with “oh all do it to some extent!”. All countries have corruption, therefore we’ll say the Soviet Union was no worse than other countries? That logic just doesn’t fly.

I’m not, my opinion was formed by experience over 3 years of pure WvW.

GoM – [WaR]
FA – [uA]
GoM – [RUN]
IOJ – [RUN]
GoM – [RISE]
IoJ – [DOLO]
CD for a week lol
IoJ – [DOLO]
FA – [XIII/RISE/RUN]
DB – [RISE/Turd]

Every server cries the same about the other server doing what they do anyway.
I just spent the last 2 hours roaming EB, only a guildless warrior from BP would fight me solo, otherwise both BP and DH refused to engage me with out superior numbers, even at RQ I pretended to be afk after [sotd]? ported out and 4 people looked at me, edging closer bit by bit till I moved and they ported too…

Every server does it.

ArchonWing.9480:

Tongku.5326:

Syiic.3724:

How about tier 3?

Problem with T3 is that GvGs have moved there. If you are not specifically into that, you will regret going there sooner or later, and that always happens sooner, rather then later.

I’m not into GvGs and am in T3; been fine. The GvGs cause a brief spike in queues for about an hour at most during prime time, which isn’t more than usual plus they usually don’t run on Fri-Sat which means the population rarely runs into conflict, except maybe on Sunday at worst. In any case, the effect is nearly negligible.

You can stop slandering those guilds as a blanket statement or commenting on matchups you aren’t in now, thanks. And that applies to the rest of the fearmongering that has happened as of late.

yet. just wait.

and if what you say is true, then its nothing like it was on T2, maybe a lightbulb went off in some of their heads. on SOS it was many times a week and for far longer periods. So no, as far as am concerned they’re burned until I see them actually do their share for a LONG time. No one has made me think these things about them, except for them.

sephiroth.4217:

I’m not, my opinion was formed by experience over 3 years of pure WvW.

GoM – [WaR]
FA – [uA]
GoM – [RUN]
IOJ – [RUN]
GoM – [RISE]
IoJ – [DOLO]
CD for a week lol
IoJ – [DOLO]
FA – [XIII/RISE/RUN]
DB – [RISE/Turd]

Every server cries the same about the other server doing what they do anyway.
I just spent the last 2 hours roaming EB, only a guildless warrior from BP would fight me solo, otherwise both BP and DH refused to engage me with out superior numbers, even at RQ I pretended to be afk after [sotd]? ported out and 4 people looked at me, edging closer bit by bit till I moved and they ported too…

Every server does it.

Yeah I have 3 years of pure WvW too (and my post history affirms that for the record, I was PvFing back in 2012 lol all you have to do is look at my post history). You’re still using bad logic. You’re continuing to make the same error, all servers do it, therefore Db is nothing special. But Db does it MORE.

I have experienced t2-8. I’ve fought YB. I’ve been on YB. I’ve fought SoR. I have fought SF dozens of times. I have faced the most hated, reviled, trash servers over and over and over. None of them compare to what Db is right now. 0 serious fight guilds (unless one of your recent transfers is one, idk, you’re getting a lot so it’s hard to keep track). Your guilds blob up, AJ, and virtually never fight alone. Your server upgrades literally everything, siege spamming, disable spamming, etc… Virtually no roamers except a legion of condi pu mesmers (I kid you not, 90% of my solo roaming encounters are condi pu mesmers from Db, it is not like this with other servers).

Case in point, check my picture. That is our bay, which is of course almost t3 because Db is upgrading it as we speak. What you are seeing is (and they’re not all completely caught in the pic because a lot are hiding in the back and on siege/in lords):

4 Superior Arrow Carts
RF guild raid (20ish)
AZ guild raid (20ish)
VP guild gathering (15ish)
Pug zerg (20ish)

Vs

SotD guild raid (15)
Pug zerg (10ish)

Want me to spoil how it turns out? Db doesn’t push onto us, at all. They sit there shooting the breach in the wall, until we realize it’s pointless and pull back to continue cataing another wall down. One of their guilds comes up behind SotD, which prompts sotd to take a better fighting position, and then finally the other 3 groups push onto our catas and we have to flee bay.

Now I’m not saying my pic proves my overall point. You’re right, we all blob, we all AJ, we all use siege, etc… I’m just giving an example of what fighting Db is pretty much ALWAYS like. If you can’t see that, then you need to server hop a bit more and face Db some and see how they really operate. Virtually everyone who has faced Db will agree with me, even if they don’t think Db is the worst, they will say they’re terrible (unless they’re currently on Db).

sephiroth.4217:

Arius.7031:

sephiroth.4217:

Personally I enjoy being on DB, only just transferred myself.

Not sure what people are going on about with this whole blob thing and no one fights nonsense, it’s the sorta stuff that happens on all servers…

“That 1 uplevel is hiding in a tower from me god that server is bad they all hide and never fight only blob” is nothing more than juicy tears

This is what Db apologists always say. Sorry, servers are not all the same, they’re not all equal. Yes, all blob, all hide, but some blob more, some hide more. Db blobs most. Db hides most. Db is the worst. Db is the least respectable. Db is truly a terrifyingly bad server, I would rather face any server in the game than Db.

I’m sorry, don’t want to turn this into a “bash Db” thread… I’m just saying you can’t reject criticisms with “oh all do it to some extent!”. All countries have corruption, therefore we’ll say the Soviet Union was no worse than other countries? That logic just doesn’t fly.

I’m not, my opinion was formed by experience over 3 years of pure WvW.

GoM – [WaR]
FA – [uA]
GoM – [RUN]
IOJ – [RUN]
GoM – [RISE]
IoJ – [DOLO]
CD for a week lol
IoJ – [DOLO]
FA – [XIII/RISE/RUN]
DB – [RISE/Turd]

Every server cries the same about the other server doing what they do anyway.
I just spent the last 2 hours roaming EB, only a guildless warrior from BP would fight me solo, otherwise both BP and DH refused to engage me with out superior numbers, even at RQ I pretended to be afk after [sotd]? ported out and 4 people looked at me, edging closer bit by bit till I moved and they ported too…

Every server does it.

Yea, I’d have to agree this kind of thing about “the other server blobs” is kinda overdone. Can we just talk about servers we’re actually on, instead of badmouthing other ones? It comes off as extremely anecdotal.

Tongku.5326:

ArchonWing.9480:

Tongku.5326:

Syiic.3724:

How about tier 3?

Problem with T3 is that GvGs have moved there. If you are not specifically into that, you will regret going there sooner or later, and that always happens sooner, rather then later.

I’m not into GvGs and am in T3; been fine. The GvGs cause a brief spike in queues for about an hour at most during prime time, which isn’t more than usual plus they usually don’t run on Fri-Sat which means the population rarely runs into conflict, except maybe on Sunday at worst. In any case, the effect is nearly negligible.

You can stop slandering those guilds as a blanket statement or commenting on matchups you aren’t in now, thanks. And that applies to the rest of the fearmongering that has happened as of late.

yet. just wait.

and if what you say is true, then its nothing like it was on T2, maybe a lightbulb went off in some of their heads. on SOS it was many times a week and for far longer periods. So no, as far as am concerned they’re burned until I see them actually do their share for a LONG time. No one has made me think these things about them, except for them.

I’m sorry, but that just comes across as fearmongering to me, because “waiting” is based on speculation and anecdote, and a possible confusion of cause and effect.

I don’t doubt there were more than a few toxic individuals that you describe, and I’m not saying it’s a good thing either. You are definitely free to elaborate more if people here have found the situation worse. From my experience, the group of people you describe can’t be painted with a broad brush, and yes I am aware a lot of people that came here simply don’t care about WvW and will vanish once Guild Halls arrive. I understand your concerns; I just don’t think it’s proper to mark T3 as a disaster zone yet; if anything you folks have scared me with, it’s those “server politics” and “match manipulation” that seems to have a number of complaints.

Well, I hope SoS recovers now that these people are gone though.

CrimeMaker.8612:

Chaba.5410:

Sounds like DB is getting a bandwagon again.

Yeah lol AR and DH didn’t blob as much during the start of this week but we had to switch our playstyle because DB blobs are massive.

I’m serious. Three guilds from FA went to DB just within the past few days and there’s been quite a few posts on this forum from players asking about DB (like the OP).

Chaba.5410:

CrimeMaker.8612:

Chaba.5410:

Sounds like DB is getting a bandwagon again.

Yeah lol AR and DH didn’t blob as much during the start of this week but we had to switch our playstyle because DB blobs are massive.

I’m serious. Three guilds from FA went to DB just within the past few days and there’s been quite a few posts on this forum from players asking about DB (like the OP).

I’ll never understand what goes through these peoples heads. A server in their tier gets a huge bandwagon ruining game play for everyone so they decide to move, which would make sense if they weren’t all jumping on the same server creating the exact same problem on a new tier.

Spread the kitten out for once. If you had filled in the other T5 servers instead of piling on the same one you could have balanced out T4 and 5 and had some nice variety in your match ups.

Of course Arius’s picture shows the quality of the players that are transferring to DB so I guess good fights aren’t what they are looking for. Have fun blobbing down smaller servers until you hit the point where you start getting crushed by servers with equal numbers and DB collapses once again.

Yea.

We can see what’s happened in the past when these things have happened, but you know what they say about trying the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result.

I really don’t understand the mentality of so called roamers wanted to pile up w/ the blob servers instead of going to small servers w/ lesser blobs. Are they that insecured so they need the blobs just in case?

Well, the OP wrote that he likes occasional roaming and zerging as well.

What always gets me is the number of players who prefer servers that have tags around but never seem willing to tag up themselves. I understand it is really difficult for a lot of new tags to deal with criticism and I hear EOTM is one of the worst places to tag up in, even surpassing EBG. Perhaps Anet will attempt to address that for WvW too. LOL. Sorry for my sarcasm.

I would kill everyone if I tagged up.

I’m a much better scout.

In fact, the one day I did tag up I said “come with me and I’ll try my best not to kill you.”

And I killed everyone ><

I could be a good commander or a good driver. But my wife won’t let me talked on TS at night. She’s my commander so I just have to settle to be a follower.

SkyChef.5432:

I could be a good commander or a good driver. But my wife won’t let me talked on TS at night. She’s my commander so I just have to settle to be a follower.

He’s also a good cook!

Chaba.5410:

Well, the OP wrote that he likes occasional roaming and zerging as well.

What always gets me is the number of players who prefer servers that have tags around but never seem willing to tag up themselves. I understand it is really difficult for a lot of new tags to deal with criticism and I hear EOTM is one of the worst places to tag up in, even surpassing EBG. Perhaps Anet will attempt to address that for WvW too. LOL. Sorry for my sarcasm.

I am one who looks for a tag, but won’t tag myself. I will not criticize anyone who does though – good or bad… If they try and are respectful, I won’t give up after 1-2 wipes either….

Chaba.5410:

SkyChef.5432:

I could be a good commander or a good driver. But my wife won’t let me talked on TS at night. She’s my commander so I just have to settle to be a follower.

He’s also a good cook!

:-)

I recommend Darkhaven or Ehmry Bay; They are both stable servers and have Medium populations, so the transfer is cheap. I don’t know anything beyond that about those two, but I am sure they have good communities. Dragonbrand is growing atm, so I wouldn’t go there until they stabilize, because I am sure you want a stable server instead of one where its future is uncertain (not discrediting the ability of DB’s community to maintain itself over a long period of time, its just that its better to go with what is stable now).

AR belongs in t5 or t4 we just lack coverage and sea players. If we can get one or two more guilds we good to go.

Michelangelo.1742:

I recommend Darkhaven or Ehmry Bay; They are both stable servers and have Medium populations, so the transfer is cheap. Dragonbrand is growing atm, so I wouldn’t go there until they stabilize.

I like eBay they gave us good figjhts.

Pretty funny scrolling through the responses. There’s a lot of salt coming from players on DH and AR hating on DB because they don’t abide by some honor code. I think all of that goes out the window by virtue of PPTing and unless you’re openly willing to scrim and GvG other guilds you have no merit to complain. Anyways, back on topic…

If you are a solo-roamer, transferring to Dragonbrand is a GOOD option because you avoid all the “PU condi yolo swag” roamers on DB that other servers complain about. Transferring to a server that already has skilled roamers means that you won’t ever be able to fight those players. If you are looking for a roaming guild, Darkhaven has several of those, among them [Sold], [VOID], and the recent remnants of [XOXO]. Anvil Rock only has one- a guild called [KAOS]. Dragonbrand has two small ones, [GFC] and [Yaks], and potentially more as FA transfers come in.

If you only run and find enjoyment with zergs during NA, it is UNCERTAIN if transferring is a good idea. We recently received three NA guilds from Fort Aspenwood that you could run with, but I can’t comment much beyond that. It’s too early to tell. Before those guilds arrived Dragonbrand didn’t have consistent pugmanders and only one hardcore NA guild.

OP I think you should be selfish and choose the server that best fits what you want to do in WvW and has the best infrastructure to help you do it. I’ve seen good things from all the servers in this tier and I don’t think you can go wrong either way. Transferring to Anvil Rock would go the furthest to keeping the tier balanced, but I think you should expand your search to servers in T4 as well.

P.S. You won’t find any roamers on DH/AR/DB actually solo/duo-roaming during NA prime. Most of the actual roaming, when players aren’t glued to their zergs, happens during late NA when tags from all servers have clocked out.

Arius.7031:

sephiroth.4217:

I’m not, my opinion was formed by experience over 3 years of pure WvW.

GoM – [WaR]
FA – [uA]
GoM – [RUN]
IOJ – [RUN]
GoM – [RISE]
IoJ – [DOLO]
CD for a week lol
IoJ – [DOLO]
FA – [XIII/RISE/RUN]
DB – [RISE/Turd]

Every server cries the same about the other server doing what they do anyway.
I just spent the last 2 hours roaming EB, only a guildless warrior from BP would fight me solo, otherwise both BP and DH refused to engage me with out superior numbers, even at RQ I pretended to be afk after [sotd]? ported out and 4 people looked at me, edging closer bit by bit till I moved and they ported too…

Every server does it.

Yeah I have 3 years of pure WvW too (and my post history affirms that for the record, I was PvFing back in 2012 lol all you have to do is look at my post history). You’re still using bad logic. You’re continuing to make the same error, all servers do it, therefore Db is nothing special. But Db does it MORE.

I have experienced t2-8. I’ve fought YB. I’ve been on YB. I’ve fought SoR. I have fought SF dozens of times. I have faced the most hated, reviled, trash servers over and over and over. None of them compare to what Db is right now. 0 serious fight guilds (unless one of your recent transfers is one, idk, you’re getting a lot so it’s hard to keep track). Your guilds blob up, AJ, and virtually never fight alone. Your server upgrades literally everything, siege spamming, disable spamming, etc… Virtually no roamers except a legion of condi pu mesmers (I kid you not, 90% of my solo roaming encounters are condi pu mesmers from Db, it is not like this with other servers).

Case in point, check my picture. That is our bay, which is of course almost t3 because Db is upgrading it as we speak. What you are seeing is (and they’re not all completely caught in the pic because a lot are hiding in the back and on siege/in lords):

4 Superior Arrow Carts
RF guild raid (20ish)
AZ guild raid (20ish)
VP guild gathering (15ish)
Pug zerg (20ish)

Vs

SotD guild raid (15)
Pug zerg (10ish)

Want me to spoil how it turns out? Db doesn’t push onto us, at all. They sit there shooting the breach in the wall, until we realize it’s pointless and pull back to continue cataing another wall down. One of their guilds comes up behind SotD, which prompts sotd to take a better fighting position, and then finally the other 3 groups push onto our catas and we have to flee bay.

Now I’m not saying my pic proves my overall point. You’re right, we all blob, we all AJ, we all use siege, etc… I’m just giving an example of what fighting Db is pretty much ALWAYS like. If you can’t see that, then you need to server hop a bit more and face Db some and see how they really operate. Virtually everyone who has faced Db will agree with me, even if they don’t think Db is the worst, they will say they’re terrible (unless they’re currently on Db).

I stopped reading at “I was PvFing back in 2012”. I’m not interested in internet flexing.

OK so let a guild commander and leader from DB give you some feedback instead of this sad bs. As for the blob thing, let me just say that yes we have blobs, and those blobs are getting more and more coordinated. The less experienced (fighters) are scrimming every week, the more experienced are coordinating with the less experienced more and more. DB was on the rise before the bandwagon begun, it’s why there are guild jumping ship to DB. Because DB has 2 things going for it:

1: A great community with a well-run alliance that is focused more on the community health and fun than the wvw victories, (we seriously discussed 2 weeks ago how badly we DIDNT want to rise too fast in the rankings, cause we just wanna have fun not deal with the crap)

2: Experience. DB and it’s long-time guilds have played with the best, and have played with the worst and everything in between. As one of the original WVW guilds on DB at launch, i can personally attest to this. As much as people like to hate on the “blob” we work well together with our guilds because most of the commanders have a ton of experience and know what works and what doesn’t.

Will we run blobs up and down your borderlands? Dam right we will, we’ll also make sure we have several scouts on all parts of the map, 2-5 havok groups roaming, flipping feeding info, and protecting stuff and then the blobs will exploit the openings when you look to respond. Not apologizing for good strategy, sorry to the servers that have been getting beaten, but this will be the first week with new transfers, so what have the last 3 weeks said with just original DB guilds?

Basically the state of DB wvw is very healthy right now, the TS is very active, the leadership has a solid head on its shoulders just looking for laughs and a good time for the entire community and all the guilds do a great job of communicating with each other in and out of wvw. (makes it handy when you can whisper all the commanders at once regardless of what they’re doing and let them know we’re about to lose bay, please send help, typically at least 20 players will show up to defend within seconds.)

Do we have flaws? of course. But DB is not full of blobbing noobs and it is not just some server that’s riding a wave. Anybody that has played this game for years and ACTUALLY paid attention will have a level of respect for DB guilds and their ability to perform effectively in WvW (shoutout to 2012 T2, good times.) Hopefully this was a bit more enlightening from a longest-time DB member.

Not perfect, but i promise you this: Very few servers can offer you the fun and entertainment as a community and a place to just straight enjoy GW2 in all it’s glory quite like DB can.

PS: As GFC commented above, our roamers are fantastic, but they really only come out to shine before and after the primetime fighting. I have a few roamers in my guild that are some of the best, as does a lot of the guilds on the server, it’s just how they enjoy spending time. It’s not uncommon to see groups of 2-5 players with different tags roaming around random BL’s just causing hell and looking for gudfights. WvW is home to those guys lol. That’s where they like to play. i have no comment on the new transfers quite yet as i’ve only had 2 opportunities to play with them thus far, but so far I have nothing bad to say, so that’s a good start

sephiroth.4217:

I’m not, my opinion was formed by experience over 3 years of pure WvW.

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I stopped reading at “I was PvFing back in 2012”. I’m not interested in internet flexing.

lolw0t then why bring up your many years of experience? If it’s relevant to your point, then me bringing up my equal amount of experience is just as relevant to my point.

Phuriok.9307:

OK so let a guild commander and leader from DB give you some feedback instead of this sad bs. As for the blob thing, let me just say that yes we have blobs, and those blobs are getting more and more coordinated. The less experienced (fighters) are scrimming every week, the more experienced are coordinating with the less experienced more and more. DB was on the rise before the bandwagon begun, it’s why there are guild jumping ship to DB. Because DB has 2 things going for it:

1: A great community with a well-run alliance that is focused more on the community health and fun than the wvw victories, (we seriously discussed 2 weeks ago how badly we DIDNT want to rise too fast in the rankings, cause we just wanna have fun not deal with the crap)

2: Experience. DB and it’s long-time guilds have played with the best, and have played with the worst and everything in between. As one of the original WVW guilds on DB at launch, i can personally attest to this. As much as people like to hate on the “blob” we work well together with our guilds because most of the commanders have a ton of experience and know what works and what doesn’t.

Will we run blobs up and down your borderlands? Dam right we will, we’ll also make sure we have several scouts on all parts of the map, 2-5 havok groups roaming, flipping feeding info, and protecting stuff and then the blobs will exploit the openings when you look to respond. Not apologizing for good strategy, sorry to the servers that have been getting beaten, but this will be the first week with new transfers, so what have the last 3 weeks said with just original DB guilds?

Basically the state of DB wvw is very healthy right now, the TS is very active, the leadership has a solid head on its shoulders just looking for laughs and a good time for the entire community and all the guilds do a great job of communicating with each other in and out of wvw. (makes it handy when you can whisper all the commanders at once regardless of what they’re doing and let them know we’re about to lose bay, please send help, typically at least 20 players will show up to defend within seconds.)

Do we have flaws? of course. But DB is not full of blobbing noobs and it is not just some server that’s riding a wave. Anybody that has played this game for years and ACTUALLY paid attention will have a level of respect for DB guilds and their ability to perform effectively in WvW (shoutout to 2012 T2, good times.) Hopefully this was a bit more enlightening from a longest-time DB member.

Not perfect, but i promise you this: Very few servers can offer you the fun and entertainment as a community and a place to just straight enjoy GW2 in all it’s glory quite like DB can.

PS: As GFC commented above, our roamers are fantastic, but they really only come out to shine before and after the primetime fighting. I have a few roamers in my guild that are some of the best, as does a lot of the guilds on the server, it’s just how they enjoy spending time. It’s not uncommon to see groups of 2-5 players with different tags roaming around random BL’s just causing hell and looking for gudfights. WvW is home to those guys lol. That’s where they like to play. i have no comment on the new transfers quite yet as i’ve only had 2 opportunities to play with them thus far, but so far I have nothing bad to say, so that’s a good start

The reason DB won the past few weeks was because you have an OCX guild that is so terrible at fighting they decided to move to a server that has no competition in their time frame. That’s it. DH and AR could kick your butt all day but even if they both decided to focus you and keep you ticking 0 in prime time you would still win because they are splitting the PPT, they aren’t ticking 600 for hours like you do during OCX prime.

No one cares if you are “winning” in WvW. You are one of the absolute worst servers to fight because you are an extremely boring server. Your “guild” groups and nearly non existent roamers run from even number fights. 1 wipe and you voltron up or map hop to pvd instead of fighting. If there is 10 guys attacking a tower you will have 30 sitting on the wall building siege instead of fighting.

I wish the transfers meant you might get some decent players but decent players wouldn’t all bandwagon to one server. You are getting the same people that always hop on the karma train and ride it until they hit real competition and then move on to the next bandwagon.

I love the hate and BS. You know your doing something right when this happens.

Arius.7031:

sephiroth.4217:

I’m not, my opinion was formed by experience over 3 years of pure WvW.

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I stopped reading at “I was PvFing back in 2012”. I’m not interested in internet flexing.

lolw0t then why bring up your many years of experience? If it’s relevant to your point, then me bringing up my equal amount of experience is just as relevant to my point.

Having a discussion with someone and internet flexing is two different things.

I’m just merely trying to point out that all servers blob and hide and what ever cries you hear about other servers. It’s not any servers fault that they have population differences between different time zones and the populous will play how ever they want, meaning there are so many more individual factors that come into play, eg: 1 person could siege all the towers in their corner, when an enemy zerg comes by, the few around the tower will hide inside, see the siege and use it most likely to grab some loot bags from their point of view, but from the enemy point of view it’s “omg that server and everyone on it is bad and sieges towers”, those perspectives comes from being the assaulter and defender of those situations and happens continuously across all servers in WvW at all time zones.

With recent transfers to DB, including myself anyone would understand why you would feel that DB would be blobbing a lot more as the population just grew projecting more numbers on the field and the “they blob more” feeling. I can’t speak for other transfers, but myself I had no idea more people were coming to DB (thankfully not in my timezone), my choice was made purely by http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/ in hopes DB would bump up a tier or 2, I also seen due to my time zone DB held a 180+ppt which was enough convincing to me that I would find some decent small group fights, and I have from both DH and BP.

You’re from DH, maybe you don’t play in the timezone where DB is outmanned and struggles to hold a keep against DH which is why your opinion is derogatory?

Jayne.9251:

I would kill everyone if I tagged up.

I’m a much better scout.

In fact, the one day I did tag up I said “come with me and I’ll try my best not to kill you.”

And I killed everyone ><

I would so love to meet you one day in game, honestly ;)

Whenever I see people from my server running after me I waypoint :D

You’re EU right? Let’s have a picnic

Jayne.9251:

You’re EU right? Let’s have a picnic :)

Yeah, might take a while until Gunnars meets Piken though ;) Although that would be awesome.

sephiroth.4217:

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I play all time zones (schedule changes). Fun fact, I believe I’m in one of your pics lol.

You’re not understanding the point I’m making unfortunately. I don’t blame Db for having more people. I blame Db for how they USE their people. Let me sum up what I feel Db does that makes me (and 99% of others who face them for any period of time, if you think it’s just AR/Dh saltlords, head on over to gw2wvw.net and look at the threads involving db there, just as much hate comes from every other server) hate them:

1) Simply put, you’re tower/keep/camp huggers. Getting 99% of Db to fight without a tower/keep being involved is like trying to get a child to willingly choose veggies over chocolate. It just generally doesn’t happen. There are exceptions, ofc (such as when you largely outnumber people, and other rare cases like VP or GFC who will just straight up fight you).

2) You’re siege spammers. I’m not talking about your pugs, that’s obvious, your pugs spam more than other pugs, but I don’t blame your server for it’s pugs. I’m talking about your guild groups. One such example I can give (with pics if needed), is of 2 Db guild groups running 20+, fighting SotD solo (15ish), where they build: 2 trebs, 4 superior ballistas, 2 sup acs, 1 unidentified build site, and possibly more siege in nearby objectives. This is to spawn camp one lone guild group (and get 1 pushed by sotd through a portal bomb LOL).

3) You upgrade EVERYTHING. This wouldn’t be so bad if not for the first 2 points… but seriously, there’s a waypoint in one of our keeps on many days, and if not it’s because we bum rushed it unexpectedly before your MANY scouts/defenders/siege-enthusiasts could react. What we can expect to wake up to is one or many of our keeps t2, filled with siege, with scouts manning cannons everywhere.

IoW, Db is YB but without any of the talent that YB lucked upon as it rose through the ranks.

1. Not 99% as you seem to think. At least when Im on. Our group most of the time jumps out even if outnumbered.

2. Agreed that spawn camping is lame. But I dont see that happen much either.

3. So we should just leave towers and keeps paper so you can take them easier?

CrimeMaker.8612:

Michelangelo.1742:

I recommend Darkhaven or Ehmry Bay; They are both stable servers and have Medium populations, so the transfer is cheap. Dragonbrand is growing atm, so I wouldn’t go there until they stabilize.

I like eBay they gave us good figjhts.

Yeah, it is fun on ebay. We have both roaming and zerging. We will always fight you no matter how outnumbered we are or even if it is just a foolish 1v3 we will jump in. “if it is red, it is dead” is my motto……right before i die. But, it is fun and it is with a nice community

Bensozia.8071:

1. Not 99% as you seem to think. At least when Im on. Our group most of the time jumps out even if outnumbered.

2. Agreed that spawn camping is lame. But I dont see that happen much either.

3. So we should just leave towers and keeps paper so you can take them easier?

1. 99% isn’t meant to be literal, it’s just most.

2. Because we don’t let you (we’re stronger than you in NA/EU and on par with you in OCX). Every time your server gets the opportunity to spawn camp (during/just after SEA), it does (at least to Dh). Every single morning after SEA, I walk out of our spawn, and get trebbed and/or people trying to gank me. I kid you not, this is not a joke, what I’m about to tell you literally happened today. You had a guy sitting on a treb, trebbing just outside our spawn with cows/normal shot, for about half an hour. I kid you not.

I’m not the type who’s like “spawn camp evil”, there’s multiple exits, it’s not too big of a deal to me personally.

3. Like I said, the problem with this only appears taken in tandem with the other problems.

Akkeros.1675:

CrimeMaker.8612:

Michelangelo.1742:

I recommend Darkhaven or Ehmry Bay; They are both stable servers and have Medium populations, so the transfer is cheap. Dragonbrand is growing atm, so I wouldn’t go there until they stabilize.

I like eBay they gave us good figjhts.

Yeah, it is fun on ebay. We have both roaming and zerging. We will always fight you no matter how outnumbered we are or even if it is just a foolish 1v3 we will jump in. “if it is red, it is dead” is my motto……right before i die. But, it is fun and it is with a nice community

Yeah, would definitely love to face you guys again! Hopefully AR gets few transfers :p

Arius.7031:

sephiroth.4217:

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I play all time zones (schedule changes). Fun fact, I believe I’m in one of your pics lol.

You’re not understanding the point I’m making unfortunately. I don’t blame Db for having more people. I blame Db for how they USE their people. Let me sum up what I feel Db does that makes me (and 99% of others who face them for any period of time, if you think it’s just AR/Dh saltlords, head on over to gw2wvw.net and look at the threads involving db there, just as much hate comes from every other server) hate them:

1) Simply put, you’re tower/keep/camp huggers. Getting 99% of Db to fight without a tower/keep being involved is like trying to get a child to willingly choose veggies over chocolate. It just generally doesn’t happen. There are exceptions, ofc (such as when you largely outnumber people, and other rare cases like VP or GFC who will just straight up fight you).

2) You’re siege spammers. I’m not talking about your pugs, that’s obvious, your pugs spam more than other pugs, but I don’t blame your server for it’s pugs. I’m talking about your guild groups. One such example I can give (with pics if needed), is of 2 Db guild groups running 20+, fighting SotD solo (15ish), where they build: 2 trebs, 4 superior ballistas, 2 sup acs, 1 unidentified build site, and possibly more siege in nearby objectives. This is to spawn camp one lone guild group (and get 1 pushed by sotd through a portal bomb LOL).

3) You upgrade EVERYTHING. This wouldn’t be so bad if not for the first 2 points… but seriously, there’s a waypoint in one of our keeps on many days, and if not it’s because we bum rushed it unexpectedly before your MANY scouts/defenders/siege-enthusiasts could react. What we can expect to wake up to is one or many of our keeps t2, filled with siege, with scouts manning cannons everywhere.

IoW, Db is YB but without any of the talent that YB lucked upon as it rose through the ranks.

I understand what you’re saying, which is why I took pictures to show you that you guys did it too, but to further more prove what I said, this time I took photos of your guild doing exactly what you hate DB doing.

1st pic: Your guild + pugs using siege to shoot at our spawn

2nd pic: Your guild refusing to engage 1v1 but jumping and /laughing from keep instead.