(edited by Atticus.7194)
Siege Trolling
Problem has always been the issue of implementing any type of anti-troll system most often has it’s own side-effects that negate(or make worse) it’s effect.
For instance your suggesting of a vote to kick would be very hard to setup as too little votes and trolls would just use it to kick off players(like commanders or players who are trying to kick them off.) and too many you will never get enough votes to kick.
some serious creative thinking needs to be put forward to solve this issue.
I posted on this issue earlier. Siege trolling, and golem breaking is an issue with my server as well. I still think that the current report system can still work, if only there was the option to report someone for this, and Anet were more proactive about temporary bans for this kind of sabotage. So far, none of the report options apply to these scenarios, and bans are few and far between.
What a strange post….yb doing this to fa today. Spend every keep’s supply on trebs!
Don’t like it when its done to you but you don’t mind other others…Oh yb.
What a strange post….yb doing this to fa today. Spend every keep’s supply on trebs!
Don’t like it when its done to you but you don’t mind other others…Oh yb.
I’m honestly sorry to hear this happened to you guys too, I can assure you that it’s news to most of YB’s WvW community so don’t think that it’s indicative of how we like to play or anything we condone or support. In fact your report adds credence to my assertion that this is an issue that could use a real solution so it doesn’t happen to anyone in the future.
Add different color for siege doped by a commander:
The idea would be that when a commander drop siege the build site would have the color of the commander’s tag.
For example: Commander A has a blue tag. Commander A drops a flame ram and its build site is blue. Commander A tells the zerg to only build the blue siege. People don’t build the troll siege with a different color.
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Trolls build their own sucking up the supply…
I wouldn’t be so fast for YB to blame fa or fa to blame YB either. The only person that really knows is the troll and you don’t think they could be lying when asked?
YB→YB→YB→YB→YB→YB→YB→most likely YB
(edited by Liston.9708)
Yeah, the troll OP mentioned built the trebs without help. By the time we logged in we indeed had a total of 25 trebs in our garri, most of which useless.
I don’t really care where he came from, or where FA’s troll came from. We really need an option to report these people with a legit reason to assume they could get a temporary ban. Or at least in these scenarios, an instant kick from wvw would suffice if the server has a big enough population to hold a queue on the map.
bump. I agree with liston and atticus, that siege trolls are individuals and should be punished for their own actions. Do not smear servers for the actions of individuals; they do not represent the majority of players.
I also agree with mist, that all we as players are looking for is an option to report offenders with a reasonable expectation of a response. We do not need a new system of discipline, or some form of siege debuff or “traitor” tag. All we need is at least the hope that someone in charge is listening and willing to act.
Allow commanders with a sizeable joined group to recycle siege with some loss, leaving a small supply cache (picked up by any player).
Say if 15 people have joined commander A that counts as a vote of confidence, giving him increased authority do do things like this. He is effectivly a superior commander (siege pun intended).
Griefers has to be pretty organized to go around that. Never going to happen though. It took Anet almost two years to invent the concept of color.
My own suggestion to address this would be a option to vote someone out of WvW and give them a debuff preventing them from re-entering for 15 min or so just to address this sort of situation.
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Like take for example today, we had someone (most likely from FA since they do like to do this)
What a strange post….yb doing this to fa today. Spend every keep’s supply on trebs!
Don’t like it when its done to you but you don’t mind other others…Oh yb.I can assure you that it’s news to most of YB’s WvW community so don’t think that it’s indicative of how we like to play or anything we condone or support.
Ok mate.
While daydreaming about a new system might be fun, anything that we come up with while definitely be abused worse than what we have right now.
Let’s focus on highlighting the holes in the current system.
Keep in mind that even if a troll is from a different Server and is deliberately sabotaging your server, he is one player, on a server of several hundred. His server probably does not even know that he does this, and it is not their responsibility to stop him. It is your job to report him, and Anet’s job to ban him. That being said, I believe that the majority of the siege trolls are simply players that get a laugh by irritating other players, not deliberate saboteurs.
There really should be a way to report a person for deliberately taking actions to harm a server...actions such as dropping rams in an area we’re trying to quickly build defensive siege in, and purposely killing golems should be reportable.
There really should be a way to report a person for deliberately taking actions to harm a server…actions such as dropping rams in an area we’re trying to quickly build defensive siege in, and purposely killing golems should be reportable.
^This. This is all I would ask for.
lol, allow players to vote peopel off the island? No thankyou!
Can you not see the abuse this can cause?!
“Oh let’s vote this player from a guild we dont like and get more of out own guild into this map.”
And dont say it doesnt happen, I’ve seen hostilities between guilds where the entire guild reported another guild’s player for selling gold etc and that player having their account banned, then them having to go through the process of getting it unbanned!
You can blame anet for not checking the reports, but stuff like this happens, and if you see a voting system then it too will be abused to hell!
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lol, allow players to vote peopel off the island? No thankyou!
Can you not see the abuse this can cause?!
“Oh let’s vote this player from a guild we dont like and get more of out own guild into this map.”And dont say it doesnt happen, I’ve seen hostilities between guilds where the entire guild reported another guild’s player for selling gold etc and that player having their account banned, then them having to go through the process of getting it unbanned!
You can blame anet for not checking the reports, but stuff like this happens, and if you see a voting system then it too will be abused to hell!
Please try to be courteous in your reply. Also, that situation of the guild reporting a single player, is an abuse of the report function, and is reportable but that is beyond the scope of this thread.
There was a large, ANet-initiated discussion about this a few months ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Siege-Troll-Discussion
The only positive change that came about was the changes to siege deployment sites, they have variable sizes and proper names (i.e. flame ram build site) so it’s harder to trick people into building the wrong siege. This was a very good change.
However, nothing has been done about the issue of people draining supply and siege-capping an objective. Same guy has been doing it on TC for well over a year now.
Would be nice if you could just right click siege trolls in WvW (on your server) → ‘Blacklist’ option, say if 100 – 250 players do this (unspecified number, variable depending on your tier), the blacklisted player cannot take supply from towers / keeps nor can they use siege equipment. They can still enter WvW, take objectives, take supply from camps, deploy siege and do everything else, they just can’t abuse those two exploitable game mechanics.
Just wanted to comment on what seems like a ongoing issue (at least for Yakks Bend) where spies from other servers deliberately build massive amounts of siege to waste supply. Like take for example today, we had someone (most likely from FA since they do like to do this) who spent hours building 18 pointless trebs in our garrison. Sadly we were left impotently unable to do anything at all about this, so I was just wondering if anyone thought this was an issue that was widespread enough to need to be be addressed by ArenaNet.
Why do you assume it was someone from FA? Is it because someone from YB started it by using up 1500 supply to build useless trebs in FA garri on Saturday, and then wasted even more supply building trebs on top of FA Bay supply depots on Sunday? Pathetic to see your server cheat like this and still lose.
Since anet will clearly not do anything themselves, they should really deputize some players on each server to ban anyone siege-trolling if caught red-handed.
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We are all kind of assuming that Anet does not have the necessary crew to wield the Banhammer. If that were the case, I would see only a few problems with empowering certain trusted players, as long as they were kept accountable.
I would definitely prefer an Anet Staffer to do it, it grants too much power to the players, and puts too much responsibility on individuals that really are just there to play the game.
P.S. Please stop with the pointing fingers at other servers. It does not matter if the offenders’ main account is on a different server, or if they are simply trolling their home server. We are talking about a tiny minority of the players involved in playing the game, and their servers cannot be held accountable for their actions. What would you have the other people on their server do? The majority of players (on your server and their’s) already condemn these actions.
Just wanted to comment on what seems like a ongoing issue (at least for Yakks Bend) where spies from other servers deliberately build massive amounts of siege to waste supply. Like take for example today, we had someone (most likely from FA since they do like to do this) who spent hours building 18 pointless trebs in our garrison. Sadly we were left impotently unable to do anything at all about this, so I was just wondering if anyone thought this was an issue that was widespread enough to need to be be addressed by ArenaNet.
Why do you assume it was someone from FA? Is it because someone from YB started it by using up 1500 supply to build useless trebs in FA garri on Saturday, and then wasted even more supply building trebs on top of FA Bay supply depots on Sunday? Pathetic to see your server cheat like this and still lose.
Since anet will clearly not do anything themselves, they should really deputize some players on each server to ban anyone siege-trolling if caught red-handed.
To be fair I may be mistaken and this might be someone who has nothing to do with FA however generally speaking whenever we have a matchup against a server other than FA these things never happen where when we do… they do too.
So I’m not making any conclusions only putting out a assumption. However again if this is happening to FA too then I’m honestly sorry to hear it, this shouldn’t have to happen to any server for any reason.
From what I heard over the last couple years, Anet considered siege trolls/spies as part and parcel of the WvWvW combat system. In real world war/battles you’ll have spies, and sometimes those spies will use any means necessary in order to cause havoc behind enemy lines.
I’m JQ, and the worst we ever had of it, was couple of dillweeds that built over 50+ Rams in our own home keep in Eternal Battlegrounds. We hit a siege cap, and were unable to BUILD rams ANYWHERE else on the map. During that time the person in question ran and kept the rams from despawning by going and resetting the timer on each. We continuously reported this person for up to two months I believe. And I can’t ever remember a single word from anet other than a review of the Siege Cap mechanism within the World vs. World combat system.
Now the siege trollers throw down the oddest siege in the strangest spots, or they throw siege proverbially on the Supplies themselves, so the first thing we do is grab the siege, instead of the supplies. Makes it harder to grab supplies.
Still after two years, I havn’t heard or read one single missive about certain players “abusing” a system that was supposed to be “fun” for all participants. Then again I’m sure they have a Boss, somewhere in those offices who uses the term, “Bring me solutions, not problems.” That’s the worst kind of boss, because if you have a solution to the problem, why even bring to the boss. And that’s what the boss doesn’t want, with problems being brought to them. So I wonder if all these problems about “Siege Trolls” is actually brought to the attention of anyone in higher authority at Anet anymore. Especially if the person bringing the problem to light, doesn’t have solutions to go along with the problem. Then again…lot of bosses I know don’t think what you consider to be a problem, to be any problem at all.
The comment above about the “voting” wouldn’t work, because some guilds as a WHOLE, are complete jerks, and they’d get their entire guild to “vote” people they didn’t like out of WvW….casuals, certain professions (rangers), communities (LGBT), ….seriously? A voting system would be abused, and you know it. Hell, a single player with dozens of mule accounts would be able to kick you right out the door then now wouldn’t they.
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(edited by KeyOrion.9506)
From what I heard over the last couple years, Anet considered siege trolls/spies as part and parcel of the WvWvW combat system. In real world war/battles you’ll have spies, and sometimes those spies will use any means necessary in order to cause havoc behind enemy lines.
Like how YOUR server is always listening in on TC’s chats? I mean, at least tell your spies to speak up in our chat just so we don’t have to waste our time running to take your next objective.
Personally, I believe there is a threshold, before Anet considers something to be an issue. If the player base uniformly protested this kind of abuse, Anet would respond. However when there has been only one post on the forums about this issue, and there is no option to report this kind of abuse, Anet assumes that these are isolated incidents, and not as pervasive as they are. Perhaps it is just a few isolated incidents. It just seems to happen a lot…every week…every time I log on…
Yes, Im bringing this back up, how much longer can one server be griefed by just one person that shouldnt be allowed in WvW his supply drained keeps, killed golems, claims the Keeps, throws down balisters, turns trebs (tho this can also be good since he refreshes them) troll portals BUT after numerous amounts of emails to support, and his still griefing for over a year, im sorry but watching an account closely means what exactly?
Everytime I see him in wvw makes me not want to bother, since there is nothing you can do. How hard is it to make it so these people no longer have access to wvw, EotM is can be open to them but keep them out of WvW, spy tactics maybe norm in war, but if caught u face death… its not hard if someone is still doing this after a year, they cant say they are new and dont understand, play the way you want went a long time ago, trolling a wvw community should not be allowed for this long.
Siege in the zone around keep area can be dismantled for a refund depending on damage ranging from 100%-0%
Limit Golems to one every like, 10 minutes. Zergs will be totally unaffected and still able to build Golems quickly but it would take a troll 30 minutes to build 3.
Siege in the zone around keep area can be dismantled for a refund depending on damage ranging from 100%-0%
Limit Golems to one every like, 10 minutes. Zergs will be totally unaffected and still able to build Golems quickly but it would take a troll 30 minutes to build 3.
The first part could be easily abused by spies as well.
Imagine building defensive siege just to have them dismantle it.
The problem like many WvW problems stems from the fact that WvW is based on what home server a person is from which causes number of players & how often said players participate to vary widely, in addition to encouraging use of spies/trolls.
If WvW were to be redesigned around alliances of of guilds with a set cap on how many players could belong to an alliance (to ensure somewhat evenly balanced numbers) with the ability to remove people then a great deal of the problems in WvW would be solved.
Granted this would only be a real solution for the people who have a real intrust in WvW. Other people could just be randomly tossed into groups like they are for EOTM.
We need Anet to hire MORE WvW Game Masters.
We need aNet to add a report option for WvW griefing.
People need to be banned from Gw2 for 2 weeks on their first offence and banned forever on their second.
If Anet are not willing to hire staff or use their staff to take action then a supply usage limit needs to be placed on a individual account across a 24 hour period. WvW should be about team play so having a limit shouldn’t be to much of a issue.
Just wanted to comment on what seems like a ongoing issue (at least for Yakks Bend) where spies from other servers deliberately build massive amounts of siege to waste supply. Like take for example today, we had someone (most likely from FA since they do like to do this) who spent hours building 18 pointless trebs in our garrison. Sadly we were left impotently unable to do anything at all about this, so I was just wondering if anyone thought this was an issue that was widespread enough to need to be be addressed by ArenaNet.
My own suggestion to address this would be a option to vote someone out of WvW and give them a debuff preventing them from re-entering for 15 min or so just to address this sort of situation. Obnoxious player? Have 15 or so people vote them out for 15 min. They come back? Do it again, and extend the debuff to 30 min. Again? 60 minutes? Again? Well… you get the point.
Anyway, any comments are welcome.
Calling it trolling is your own words, but the solution you come with can be easily abused by letting the players pick who to kick out of WvW. Dont be so narrow sighted please.
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